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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,202
    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING | Labour has **banned** schools from teaching children about transgender identities.

    New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex".

    It's Section 28 again
    .

    https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1946174870271799750?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The follow up tweet where he posts his "evidence" quoting from the guidance does not imo support his claim. My piccie:

    OK, I'm baffled. They said "...New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex"...".

    The texts they highlight say "Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about biological sex..." and "they should avoid materials that...encourage pupils to question their gender"

    Where is LeftieStat's error?
    Isn't Mr Stat quoting from Ms Phillipson?
    Unknown. I'll have a look later
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,070
    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,309
    edited 3:07PM
    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING | Labour has **banned** schools from teaching children about transgender identities.

    New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex".

    It's Section 28 again
    .

    https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1946174870271799750?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The follow up tweet where he posts his "evidence" quoting from the guidance does not imo support his claim. My piccie:

    OK, I'm baffled. They said "...New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex"...".

    The texts they highlight say "Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about biological sex..." and "they should avoid materials that...encourage pupils to question their gender"

    Where is LeftieStat's error?
    The claim is "Labour has **banned** schools from teaching children about transgender identities."

    69. I don't see how one can teach about eg "the protected characteristic of gender reassignment" without teaching about transgender identities.

    70. This is about taking care not to endorse any particular view in the debate "beyond the facts and law about biological sex and gender reassignment there is significant debate".

    72. This is about not letting visiting teachers encourage students to 'question their gender'.

    Far from being a ban, it seems to me that to engage in such a conversation, teaching about transgender identities is essential.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,309
    edited 3:06PM
    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING | Labour has **banned** schools from teaching children about transgender identities.

    New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex".

    It's Section 28 again
    .

    https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1946174870271799750?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The follow up tweet where he posts his "evidence" quoting from the guidance does not imo support his claim. My piccie:

    OK, I'm baffled. They said "...New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex"...".

    The texts they highlight say "Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about biological sex..." and "they should avoid materials that...encourage pupils to question their gender"

    Where is LeftieStat's error?
    Isn't Mr Stat quoting from Ms Phillipson?
    Unknown. I'll have a look later
    If that's a direct quote, I'll be interested too. Though from the quotes in that case I'd say that BP is incorrectly describing her own guidelines.

    Unless we take an exaggerated definition of "teaching children about".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    edited 3:05PM
    viewcode said:

    Speaking of the estimable LeftieStats (who appears now to be transitioning: I thought they were going to stay non-binary), here is the map from 16th from FindOutNow

    Reform lead by 10pts

    ➡️ REF – 30% (-1)
    🔴 LAB – 20% (-2)
    🔵 CON – 17% (-2)
    🟠 LD – 13% (-)
    🟢 GRN – 12% (+3)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 16 Jul (+/- vs 9 Jul)
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1945796920070320145#m

    LeftieStats

    Team Goodwin seem to be more erratic than other pollsters.

    Labour and Tories losing the spreadsheet of spies seems to have had it's effect.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,202
    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING | Labour has **banned** schools from teaching children about transgender identities.

    New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex".

    It's Section 28 again
    .

    https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1946174870271799750?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The follow up tweet where he posts his "evidence" quoting from the guidance does not imo support his claim. My piccie:

    OK, I'm baffled. They said "...New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex"...".

    The texts they highlight say "Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about biological sex..." and "they should avoid materials that...encourage pupils to question their gender"

    Where is LeftieStat's error?
    Isn't Mr Stat quoting from Ms Phillipson?
    OK I had a look "later". No, it appears they've screenshotted paragraphs 69, 70 and 72 accurately . See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68761d6b39d0452326e28e6f/RSHE_statutory_guidance_-_July_2025_.pdf
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,070

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?

    There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis

    I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks

    Culture came to a halt in the mid 90s. Popular music now doesn't really sound very different to how it did 30 years ago. Bands don't really get off the stage any more. We still also have Pulp and Elbow. Indeed, the world in general doesn't really look that different. I look out the window at passers by and they are dressed like they might have been in 1995. Whereas if I looked out the window in 1995, the world would have looked very different to how it would have in 1965; and even more so from 1965 to 1935. And my daughters listen to stuff from the 2020s, but also stuff from the 1990s and 1980s. The equivalent for me at their age in the late 80s would be listening to things from the 40s and 50s. Which I definitely didn't do.

    I find this very odd. And yes, counter-examples can be found, and there is tech, and (slightly) different standards of behaviour and the country has far more people and politics is different. But the look and feel of the world we live in is puzzlingly similar to that of 30 years ago in a way which hasn't happened for generations.
    I'm not sure I agree with that. The whole shift to online over the past 30 years has completely revolutionised the way people go about their lives. Imagine how lost most of us would be if we were teleported back 30 years. No Amazon, no PB, no Twitter/X, etc. Our kids (early 20s) sometimes ask how on earth we got things done without the internet (yes, I know the internet existsed then, but it had yet to achieve its potential). They really can't imagine life pre-internet. And yes, it probably has had a major negative effect on music.
    Things have moved on. Nowadays kids ask “how did you know anything or do anything without ChatGPT”. I’m serious. I do it myself constantly

    The only exception to this, perhaps in the world, is my older daughter. She abhors chatbots and devours books. She read all of Kafka’s The Trial on one Ryanair flight to meet me in Beziers last year. She reads EVERYTHING

    The other day she said to me “Dad I can’t wait to go back to uni so I can carry on learning. All I want to do is learn things”

    I love her to bits. I also love her wryly rebellious sister equally but that’s likely coz shes more like me

    Ok. I’m turning off sentimental dad mode, now
    ChatGPT was down for a few hours a couple of weeks ago, and Reddit was flooded with posts from people saying they had forgotten how to write emails, etc, without its help, some with a hint of seriousness.
    It’s definitely a thing and it is definitely happening. Indeed I’m writing about it - again - for the gazette

    Which reminds me. I have lunch with the Gazette editors. I must crack on
    We've read all about the Gazette lunches:-

    £250k salaries and two kilos of caviar: Inside London’s new media arms race
    https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/250k-salaries-and-two-kilos-of-caviar-inside-londons-new-media-arms-race/
    I'll let you know if I get caviar

    I have noted that I am making nice money from the Knapper's Digest, the new US edition
    You're effectively a small part of what appears to be a very well funded political influence campaign. It does coincide with your own political proclivities, but it's not entirely journalism.
    With all due respect, who the feck are you to decide whether what I do is “journalism” or not?

    I’d be interested to know what you DO define as journalism. Sports reporting? Op Eds? Theatre criticism? Or just investigative reporting? If so that’s about 1.7% of “journalists”
    My comments applied to the enterprise itself rather than you personally.

    Can you do journalism working for an influence campaign ? Sure.
    But it's not entirely journalism; hence my comment.

    I'm pretty sure you'd submit the same sort of copy were you being paid by the Guardian, so it's really not any kind of judgment on your personal journalistic ethics.
    Hierarchy of journalism:

    Investigative journalism
    News journalism
    Sports reporting
    Local reporting
    Theatre criticism
    Trade journalism

    Op eds





    Travel journalism
    In fairness, Travel journalism is better than Food and Drink/Restaurant reviewer. "I went to a place. They gave me food. It was good/bad. I am going/not going there again. Two thumbs up/down!"
    Also probably better than a lot of automotive journalism which seems largely aimed at the Top Gear studio audience. Though Clarkson et al prove it’s a great stepping stone to lucrative tv careers.
    Travel journalism is absolutely the best fun you can have in journalism. Perhaps in any career on earth

    You get all the advantages of arts/restaurants/wine/cultural criticism - they feed you endless beauty, splendour and Montrachet - plus you travel. And they pay you
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Has your lunch taken you back thirteen months? You normally promote the idea that Britain is now shite.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,309
    viewcode said:

    Carnyx said:

    viewcode said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    BREAKING | Labour has **banned** schools from teaching children about transgender identities.

    New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex".

    It's Section 28 again
    .

    https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1946174870271799750?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The follow up tweet where he posts his "evidence" quoting from the guidance does not imo support his claim. My piccie:

    OK, I'm baffled. They said "...New guidance from Bridget Philipson BANS materials that "encourage pupils to question their gender" and orders teachers to teach "laws about biological sex"...".

    The texts they highlight say "Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about biological sex..." and "they should avoid materials that...encourage pupils to question their gender"

    Where is LeftieStat's error?
    Isn't Mr Stat quoting from Ms Phillipson?
    OK I had a look "later". No, it appears they've screenshotted paragraphs 69, 70 and 72 accurately . See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68761d6b39d0452326e28e6f/RSHE_statutory_guidance_-_July_2025_.pdf
    I took the 'suggested quote' to mean the content of the tweet !
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Went there on Tuesday. Looks great as always, probably my favourite Royal Park.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,810

    NEW THREAD

  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,070

    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Has your lunch taken you back thirteen months? You normally promote the idea that Britain is now shite.
    I’m in a decidedly good mood. Superb food and wine in the St James sunshine. Plus I heard gossip that you’d pay folding money for. Stuff that never makes the papers

    One of the reasons it’s more fun to be on the right is that right wingers

    1. Gossip
    2. Drink
    3. Drink so much they gossip even more
    4. They’re rich so they buy you amazing wine
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Careful. Don't go flaunting your phone (or holding it like a tourist). It'll be whisked out of your hands before you know it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,273

    kinabalu said:

    Jenrick goes for the kill:

    https://x.com/robertjenrick/status/1946203405464056168

    I call bullshit.

    You’ve spent the last 48 hours calling me a ‘traitor’ for not drawing attention to a leaked spreadsheet with our special forces and MI6 officers’ names on.

    But we’re meant to believe this tweet attacking me as a traitor for having a Jewish wife & family was liked ‘accidentally’ by ‘one of the team.’ You must think we’re all thick.

    No. The mask has slipped. Likes are private. You thought nobody would ever know. Unfortunately for you, the racist account who posted the tweet and could see the likes exposed you.

    Reform should give you the boot.

    If Reform start booting people out for racism they'll soon be a very minor party.
    There's actually an interesting three-way dividing line on the right between Zionists, anti-Zionists and nativists.
    I would encourage them to have a separate party for each then.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Has your lunch taken you back thirteen months? You normally promote the idea that Britain is now shite.
    I’m in a decidedly good mood. Superb food and wine in the St James sunshine. Plus I heard gossip that you’d pay folding money for. Stuff that never makes the papers

    One of the reasons it’s more fun to be on the right is that right wingers

    1. Gossip
    2. Drink
    3. Drink so much they gossip even more
    4. They’re rich so they buy you amazing wine
    If it's the CEO and his Vice President for HR at the Coldplay concert we know already.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,411
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a waste of time, and possibly a recipe for something even worse.

    Ofwat to be abolished as ministers look to create new water regulator
    Exclusive: Watchdog has faced intense criticism over sewage spills, shareholder payouts and ballooning debts
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/18/ofwat-to-be-abolished-as-ministers-explore-creating-new-water-regulator

    The government has shown itself unwilling to take any real action against the water companies which have failed. Tinkering with their future regulation is unlikely to change that.

    Without (eg) forcing Thames into administration this is performative nonsense.

    Worse, they've announced another effing "consultation".

    The Government is responsible as a last resort in many aspects of life. The privatised rail industry has been found wanting and is slowly being restructured. It just depends on how much shit (literally) the public will put up with.
    The privatised railway having been systematically destroyed by the DfT, it's unfortunate corpse has been turned over to the DfT as its plaything is nearer the truth.

    Other than the disaster that was RailTrack, early era privatisation was mostly an improvement on what went before. The story of the subsequent 30 years has mainly been the DfT grabbing power at every opportunity, then using that power to enforce terrible decisions on operators, before blaming the operators for the inevitable fallout.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,292
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Jenrick goes for the kill:

    https://x.com/robertjenrick/status/1946203405464056168

    I call bullshit.

    You’ve spent the last 48 hours calling me a ‘traitor’ for not drawing attention to a leaked spreadsheet with our special forces and MI6 officers’ names on.

    But we’re meant to believe this tweet attacking me as a traitor for having a Jewish wife & family was liked ‘accidentally’ by ‘one of the team.’ You must think we’re all thick.

    No. The mask has slipped. Likes are private. You thought nobody would ever know. Unfortunately for you, the racist account who posted the tweet and could see the likes exposed you.

    Reform should give you the boot.

    If Reform start booting people out for racism they'll soon be a very minor party.
    There's actually an interesting three-way dividing line on the right between Zionists, anti-Zionists and nativists.
    I would encourage them to have a separate party for each then.
    Spare a thought for Zia Yusuf and his Reform team
    He must be consistently on edge that they're saying or thinking racist things about him and they must be consistently on edge trying not to reflexively say something racist, it must make for a tense office environment.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,927
    What the hell has happened to the vanilla posts. Make them smaller make them smaller!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,314

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Has your lunch taken you back thirteen months? You normally promote the idea that Britain is now shite.
    I’m in a decidedly good mood. Superb food and wine in the St James sunshine. Plus I heard gossip that you’d pay folding money for. Stuff that never makes the papers

    One of the reasons it’s more fun to be on the right is that right wingers

    1. Gossip
    2. Drink
    3. Drink so much they gossip even more
    4. They’re rich so they buy you amazing wine
    If it's the CEO and his Vice President for HR at the Coldplay concert we know already.
    So it turns out she was choking on a piece of popcorn and he was just about to perform the Heimlich manoeuvre when the kiss cam turned on them?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Has your lunch taken you back thirteen months? You normally promote the idea that Britain is now shite.
    I’m in a decidedly good mood. Superb food and wine in the St James sunshine. Plus I heard gossip that you’d pay folding money for. Stuff that never makes the papers

    One of the reasons it’s more fun to be on the right is that right wingers

    1. Gossip
    2. Drink
    3. Drink so much they gossip even more
    4. They’re rich so they buy you amazing wine
    Ok, so buy me dinner and some wine?

    I want in.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,669
    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    St James Park, not the one in Exeter ?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,221

    Leon said:

    I’m walking home from my exquisite Gazette lunch through St James’ Park

    London looking magnificent

    Life, eh

    Went there on Tuesday. Looks great as always, probably my favourite Royal Park.
    Went there yesterday. A circle of people standing on their heads, on the yellow grass, under the direction of their personal trainer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,171
    Tres said:

    What the hell has happened to the vanilla posts. Make them smaller make them smaller!

    Vanilla, sponsored by Specsavers...
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