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I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.1 -
Rush of Blood to the Head is a legitimately good album. I never cared for their music before or since. I mean it's fine, inoffensive stuff, there's just far far better stuff out there. But that's true for many artists. The reaction, I think, is more to the Everything Sounds Like Coldplay issue that we had for a while.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
Sometimes something mediocre can get really annoying when everywhere and popular. I dislike Turin Brakes with a fair amount of passion as I had a flatmate at uni who was obsessed and played them all the effing time!0 -
Good morning everyone.
From the Parish Pump - demand for lion keepers:
Strelley lion keeper approached by other councils after animal sanctuary plans rejected.
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“I am disappointed and frankly surprised by council,” he said, speaking from his farm where he keeps four lions, 27 monkeys, a puma and a tapir.
“Two or three councils – both local and across the UK – have contacted us. They can see the economic benefit.
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https://nottstv.com/strelley-lion-keeper-approached-by-other-councils-after-animal-sanctuary-plans-rejected/0 -
Hi @HYUFD I sent you a personal message late last weekHYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences
@TheScreamingEagles and @rcs1000 we don't seem to get the email notification any more if we receive a personal message via PB. Is this a change outside of your control?0 -
Fair criticism, but I thought he'd previously claimed to be a fan of Aston Villa?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Cameron described AV as "undemocratic, obscure, unfair and crazy".[77]Sunil_Prasannan said:Exhaustive Ballot ISN'T "Quasi-AV". It's the, er, Exhaustive Ballot.
I wonder if TSE is aware of Dave Cameron (PBUH)'s opinion of AV?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum#Campaign_positions5 -
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war
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FAFO !!!!Gallowgate said:
It’s probably different in America but in Britain I am pretty sure that infidelity or otherwise has no bearing on the financial settlement between divorcing spouses, so it wouldn’t make a difference.boulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.0 -
They got a super injunction on the story about the super injunction?Mexicanpete said:I thought the story of a super injunction by two separate parties of government after the details of a hundred Secret Service Agents , Special Boat and Special Forces operatives were leaked to the Taliban would run and run. But no Diane Abbott is the story
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It's just one tank, actually.Fairliered said:
He doesn’t live in Epping any more. If he did, he could have sent his tanks to sort it out.OldKingCole said:
I would never, I hope, reply to an official-looking email unless it came from a gov.uk address.Selebian said:Loosely on the topic of electoral reform, just received my annual notification to update voter registrations at our address.
The address to visit? https://www.householdresponse.com/northyorkshire
It is legitimate apparently, but well done to whoever decided to register $randomdomain.com for this rather than using something .gov.uk - it has all the hallmarks of a scam and it would be dead simple for someone else to register householdresponses.com or householdresponse.[other TLA] and send out emails. It reminds me of when Nationwide thought olb.nationet.com was a pukka domain for their online banking, rather than something.nationwide.co.uk
On a different topic, do we know where our friend HYUFD was last night, in view of the 'goings on' in Epping?
On yet another different topic I don't seem to have had a reply to my enquiry about OGH.0 -
Different thing, I think.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
Coldplay is a bit meh because so much of it is white noise, sometimes over some pretty good music struggling to get out. The Bee Gees had a sound.0 -
But even this isn’t trueSelebian said:
Rush of Blood to the Head is a legitimately good album. I never cared for their music before or since. I mean it's fine, inoffensive stuff, there's just far far better stuff out there. But that's true for many artists. The reaction, I think, is more to the Everything Sounds Like Coldplay issue that we had for a while.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
Sometimes something mediocre can get really annoying when everywhere and popular. I dislike Turin Brakes with a fair amount of passion as I had a flatmate at uni who was obsessed and played them all the effing time!
Viva La Vida is one of THE great pop-rock songs of the 21st century
https://youtu.be/dvgZkm1xWPE?si=-d_Iq-lZmogCna16
You cannot hear those opening, stirring, staccato strings without thinking “OMG yes what a song”1 -
I hate Murdoch. He's done more to degrade political and cultural life in the UK and US than pretty well anyone else. Trump is his spiritual offspring.Dopermean said:
Sadly I suspect you are being overly optimistic.Scott_xP said:Trump is going to sue Rupert Murdoch for publishing a letter to Epstein
Which means discovery...
This has all the hallmarks of a Rupert Murdoch pantomime production.
There will be a furore staged on social media about the WSJ publishing this letter
Trump will bluster and threaten, the WSJ will claim great journalistic integrity and the "public interest"
All the news and commentators will focus on the disclosure of this "letter"
After a few days it will be published, it will be salacious but inconclusive and not definitively linked to Trump, there will be witness evidence that he can't type, let alone draw
Meanwhile the laundry hamper containing the flight logs, video, photographs, emails, witness and victim statements will be quietly carried off stage and hidden.
Murdoch has used his media empire for these pantomimes for years, to persecute the weak and vulnerable and to deflect from the truth to protect the powerful, all in his own interests.0 -
Heh, I'm not having a good morning with the typos - I mean TLD, of course, though TLA sort of works, if I pretend the A is abbreviation rather than acronym.Selebian said:Loosely on the topic of electoral reform, just received my annual notification to update voter registrations at our address.
The address to visit? https://www.householdresponse.com/northyorkshire
It is legitimate apparently, but well done to whoever decided to register $randomdomain.com for this rather than using something .gov.uk - it has all the hallmarks of a scam and it would be dead simple for someone else to register householdresponses.com or householdresponse.[other TLA] and send out emails. It reminds me of when Nationwide thought olb.nationet.com was a pukka domain for their online banking, rather than something.nationwide.co.uk0 -
Alternatively (!) it may help Labour in Essex as the erstwhile Tory votes splits and lets Labour scrape into first place, topped up with LD transfers.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences0 -
Phil Collins is very good - Peter Gabriel seems to have more “cred” and whilst he’s done some great music, Phil Collins has made huge hits for decades but still a bit mocked, think of when Steven Gerrard got into that fight at a bar for demanding they play Phil Collins on the Jukebox or the monologue in American Psycho - would it have worked so well with an artist considered “cool”?Leon said:
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war0 -
The Bee Gees were genuinely seen as great at their peak. Just a bit easier (blokes singing with unfeasibly high pitched voices) for some to mock.boulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.0 -
This is a very modern morality playboulay said:From elsewhere:
Coldplay haven’t released a single for years then overnight they create four new ones.
I wonder how many single junior employees have been given HR warnings for a relationship with a similarly single, junior colleague, while the HR director and CEO have been having an affair no doubt partly funded on the company dime.
On the subject of morality plays, trying to persuade my co-parent that "Mrs Warren's Profession" is suitable for the kids, starring Imelda Staunton and her daughter, Emma Barnett Bessie Carter
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Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
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Time out of the business/splitting up for bands helps.boulay said:
Phil Collins is very good - Peter Gabriel seems to have more “cred” and whilst he’s done some great music, Phil Collins has made huge hits for decades but still a bit mocked, think of when Steven Gerrard got into that fight at a bar for demanding they play Phil Collins on the Jukebox or the monologue in American Psycho - would it have worked so well with an artist considered “cool”?Leon said:
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war
Stop producing and people get more nostalgic for and appreciate good, if mainstream, pop a bit more. Coldplay's problem with credibility is probably largely about their ubiquity.
In part, its likely because current bands get most of their stuff heard, including the stuff that's a bit meh. Old bands only tend to get their better stuff played.0 -
The details will end up going fromMalmesbury said:
They got a super injunction on the story about the super injunction?Mexicanpete said:I thought the story of a super injunction by two separate parties of government after the details of a hundred Secret Service Agents , Special Boat and Special Forces operatives were leaked to the Taliban would run and run. But no Diane Abbott is the story
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/megan-stammers-and-jeremy-forrest-found-hand-in-hand-after-eight-days-that-felt-like-a-lifetime-8190508.html
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It's pretty well the only thing of theirs I really like.Leon said:
But even this isn’t trueSelebian said:
Rush of Blood to the Head is a legitimately good album. I never cared for their music before or since. I mean it's fine, inoffensive stuff, there's just far far better stuff out there. But that's true for many artists. The reaction, I think, is more to the Everything Sounds Like Coldplay issue that we had for a while.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
Sometimes something mediocre can get really annoying when everywhere and popular. I dislike Turin Brakes with a fair amount of passion as I had a flatmate at uni who was obsessed and played them all the effing time!
Viva La Vida is one of THE great pop-rock songs of the 21st century
https://youtu.be/dvgZkm1xWPE?si=-d_Iq-lZmogCna16
You cannot hear those opening, stirring, staccato strings without thinking “OMG yes what a song”
But his voice is still meh.0 -
He really had two careers. Interesting stuff with Genesis, and a popular solo career doing cover versions. Bit like Bryan Ferry with Roxy Music, though Ferry is the more considerable artist.boulay said:
Phil Collins is very good - Peter Gabriel seems to have more “cred” and whilst he’s done some great music, Phil Collins has made huge hits for decades but still a bit mocked, think of when Steven Gerrard got into that fight at a bar for demanding they play Phil Collins on the Jukebox or the monologue in American Psycho - would it have worked so well with an artist considered “cool”?Leon said:
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war0 -
The basic problem is that it treats electoral disaffection as a technical issue, where it's actually many people regarding all the established parties with some distaste. People will find a way round any system if they're sufficiently fed up.OldKingCole said:
Alternatively (!) it may help Labour in Essex as the erstwhile Tory votes splits and lets Labour scrape into first place, topped up with LD transfers.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences2 -
Yes, that was my first thought. The tickets being on the company was my second thought.Dopermean said:
This is a very modern morality playboulay said:From elsewhere:
Coldplay haven’t released a single for years then overnight they create four new ones.
I wonder how many single junior employees have been given HR warnings for a relationship with a similarly single, junior colleague, while the HR director and CEO have been having an affair no doubt partly funded on the company dime.
On the subject of morality plays, trying to persuade my co-parent that "Mrs Warren's Profession" is suitable for the kids, starring Imelda Staunton and her daughter, Emma Barnett Bessie Carter
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Um, I can, that one leaves me cold. There is other stuff of theirs (outwith A rush of blood...) that I think is good, when hearing it randomly on the radio etc, but I can't remember which ones and it hasn't been good enough to make me go and check out the associated albums. There's just other, more interesting stuff I think, not that Coldplay are terrible or anything.Leon said:
But even this isn’t trueSelebian said:
Rush of Blood to the Head is a legitimately good album. I never cared for their music before or since. I mean it's fine, inoffensive stuff, there's just far far better stuff out there. But that's true for many artists. The reaction, I think, is more to the Everything Sounds Like Coldplay issue that we had for a while.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
Sometimes something mediocre can get really annoying when everywhere and popular. I dislike Turin Brakes with a fair amount of passion as I had a flatmate at uni who was obsessed and played them all the effing time!
Viva La Vida is one of THE great pop-rock songs of the 21st century
https://youtu.be/dvgZkm1xWPE?si=-d_Iq-lZmogCna16
You cannot hear those opening, stirring, staccato strings without thinking “OMG yes what a song”1 -
The only cover version I can think of him doing is “you can’t hurry love”. What were the others?Burgessian said:
He really had two careers. Interesting stuff with Genesis, and a popular solo career doing cover versions. Bit like Bryan Ferry with Roxy Music, though Ferry is the more considerable artist.boulay said:
Phil Collins is very good - Peter Gabriel seems to have more “cred” and whilst he’s done some great music, Phil Collins has made huge hits for decades but still a bit mocked, think of when Steven Gerrard got into that fight at a bar for demanding they play Phil Collins on the Jukebox or the monologue in American Psycho - would it have worked so well with an artist considered “cool”?Leon said:
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war
I wasn’t a fan when he was at his peak but as I’ve grown older I’ve appreciated how good songs like “in the air tonight” and “against all odds” are and I have an enduring love for “easy lover” as it takes me back to childhood summer holidays when life was magnificently care free.
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No you didn't read my post, which was about the news cycle. You went boots on for the asylum seeker bit.Leon said:
Er, and lol, I was responding to someone else mentioning this scandal FIRST on this thread. And who was that?Mexicanpete said:
Why follow the theme of the post when you can introduce an asylum seeker element to the conversation?kinabalu said:
We were talking about what's in the news.Leon said:
Really?Mexicanpete said:I thought the story of a super injunction by two separate parties of government after the details of a hundred Secret Service Agents , Special Boat and Special Forces operatives were leaked to the Taliban would run and run. But no Diane Abbott is the story
“Vast majority of Afghans on ‘kill list’ were bogus asylum seekers”
Telegraph
Ah, it was you1 -
They wrote several fantastic songs, which is several more than 99% of bands. People who diss them are insecure middlebrow fools, trying to appear cool (and failing) as we have now establishedNigelb said:
It's pretty well the only thing of theirs I really like.Leon said:
But even this isn’t trueSelebian said:
Rush of Blood to the Head is a legitimately good album. I never cared for their music before or since. I mean it's fine, inoffensive stuff, there's just far far better stuff out there. But that's true for many artists. The reaction, I think, is more to the Everything Sounds Like Coldplay issue that we had for a while.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
Sometimes something mediocre can get really annoying when everywhere and popular. I dislike Turin Brakes with a fair amount of passion as I had a flatmate at uni who was obsessed and played them all the effing time!
Viva La Vida is one of THE great pop-rock songs of the 21st century
https://youtu.be/dvgZkm1xWPE?si=-d_Iq-lZmogCna16
You cannot hear those opening, stirring, staccato strings without thinking “OMG yes what a song”
But his voice is still meh.
I didn’t know this about Viva La Vida:
The title “Viva la Vida” - Live the Life - is taken from a Frida Kahlo painting. She painted that phrase on a watermelon days before she died, ravaged by pain, after a lifetime of defying suffering with colour, wildness and creativity
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AM are hardly on the crest of a wave. Redundancies, dwindling sales and massive debt.boulay said:
Jaguar have to get their first new model absolutely bang on in the looks and capabilities end of things and they could reboot but the Aston Martin story is their only hope I think.
The Vantage, Vanquish, DB12 range is all a bit too similar and the DBX looks like a Korean SUV but has far worse residuals than a Korean SUV.
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If one is creative, it’s always preferable to have people hate one’s work, than to be indifferent to it.Cookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.2 -
I'll bite. Why shell out to go and listen to them live? Because its a great night out.Cookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
Same reason you shell out for anything.
Saw them about 11-12 years in Manchester and it was a stunning performance. Very enjoyable and great showmanship as well as good songs.
We went out to a number of concerts from varying types of bands and artists in a couple of year window just before and after we got married, before we had kids (not been to many since we had kids) and Coldplay was possibly, and surprisingly, my favourite. It was much better than I'd expected going in.1 -
LOL
They're going to have to get better shills.
Ferguson: I believe the President on this one. I think he’s probably not a guy who draws pictures. A lot of people have gotten notes from. They’ve never gotten a picture.
Phillip: We do have this picture he drew.
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On Coldplay, I remember reading a music review in the Telegraph of Rush of Blood to the Head, where the critic, who I liked, said something like - yes, I don't really like Coldplay very much, Chris Martin is a bit meh, but this album is actually good. I had a lot of time for his music reviews (his taste seemed similar to mine) so went out and bought it - back when going and buying physical CDs, albeit to rip to MP3, was still a thing.Cookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
Some years later, I was surprised to see the same critic pop up on the BBC discussing climate change, when BBC had false 'balance' on that and would find some random to appear on the denier side. Only then did I realise that James Delingpole was a complete wingnut. But a complete wingnut with reasonable musical taste
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Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.0
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Cameron's confusion may be over as West Ham's new kits have almost no blue in their claret and blue.Selebian said:
Fair criticism, but I thought he'd previously claimed to be a fan of Aston Villa?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Cameron described AV as "undemocratic, obscure, unfair and crazy".[77]Sunil_Prasannan said:Exhaustive Ballot ISN'T "Quasi-AV". It's the, er, Exhaustive Ballot.
I wonder if TSE is aware of Dave Cameron (PBUH)'s opinion of AV?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum#Campaign_positions
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This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.0 -
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...3 -
The interesting aspect of the Coldplay discussion has nothing to do with the band or the music; it's the memorial function of music.
We have talked about this before, but if you want to remember something, make it a song.
There is a whole subplot in Star Wars Skeleton Crew about a sea shanty that contains historical truths.
The child star of the movie Gifted remembered complex mathematical formulae by making up a song.
Several of the comments here are about what you feel when you hear the music.
For the CEO and his latest squeeze that response will be PTSD0 -
Rewatching Live Aid, you realize how special Collins was in his pomp.0
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OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...2 -
You’re clearly not familiar with “taps-aff” weatherSelebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...1 -
As far as London is concerned, it’s far too early to tell. We don’t know if Khan is running again and we don’t know any of the other candidates either.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences
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Re 2nd para, have been to see it, it's well written and well enough acted, but I just kept thinking that I would have got as much from just reading the script.Dopermean said:
This is a very modern morality playboulay said:From elsewhere:
Coldplay haven’t released a single for years then overnight they create four new ones.
I wonder how many single junior employees have been given HR warnings for a relationship with a similarly single, junior colleague, while the HR director and CEO have been having an affair no doubt partly funded on the company dime.
On the subject of morality plays, trying to persuade my co-parent that "Mrs Warren's Profession" is suitable for the kids, starring Imelda Staunton and her daughter, Emma Barnett Bessie Carter0 -
Late period Genesis with Collins were great, as well. Indeed I prefer them to Gabriel’s version (even tho he is a superb musician himself)boulay said:
The only cover version I can think of him doing is “you can’t hurry love”. What were the others?Burgessian said:
He really had two careers. Interesting stuff with Genesis, and a popular solo career doing cover versions. Bit like Bryan Ferry with Roxy Music, though Ferry is the more considerable artist.boulay said:
Phil Collins is very good - Peter Gabriel seems to have more “cred” and whilst he’s done some great music, Phil Collins has made huge hits for decades but still a bit mocked, think of when Steven Gerrard got into that fight at a bar for demanding they play Phil Collins on the Jukebox or the monologue in American Psycho - would it have worked so well with an artist considered “cool”?Leon said:
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war
I wasn’t a fan when he was at his peak but as I’ve grown older I’ve appreciated how good songs like “in the air tonight” and “against all odds” are and I have an enduring love for “easy lover” as it takes me back to childhood summer holidays when life was magnificently care free.
“Follow you, Follow me” is an exquisitely simple love song
Trick of the Tail is a fine Genesis-Collins album, not
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Tony Banks is still pissed off that Collins kept 'In the air' for himself.boulay said:
The only cover version I can think of him doing is “you can’t hurry love”. What were the others?Burgessian said:
He really had two careers. Interesting stuff with Genesis, and a popular solo career doing cover versions. Bit like Bryan Ferry with Roxy Music, though Ferry is the more considerable artist.boulay said:
Phil Collins is very good - Peter Gabriel seems to have more “cred” and whilst he’s done some great music, Phil Collins has made huge hits for decades but still a bit mocked, think of when Steven Gerrard got into that fight at a bar for demanding they play Phil Collins on the Jukebox or the monologue in American Psycho - would it have worked so well with an artist considered “cool”?Leon said:
Perhaps. Phil Collins is another classic example - tho he was good rather than great like the Bee Geesboulay said:
I think it’s more a British thing about snootiness to Coldplay, I don’t mind them, have a few of their albums on CD, was at UCL the same time as them and probably saw them playing in one of the unions in an early incarnation. I don’t think they are mocked to the same level internationally.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
They are however a cipher for a sort of “meh”. Like people might fling around “centrist dads” as a trope for that middle of the road, not overly exciting but large scale phenomenon they allow for a bit of piss taking.
Their music isn’t edgy, it’s very well done and they’ve evolved into a huge stadium band.
I don’t think it’s any sort of middle class affectation just easy ribbing due to them being a bit non-edgy. The Bee-Gees have an amazing canon of work which they fronted or wrote for others, don’t know how they were viewed at their peak, Barry Manilow was supremely popular and talented but is a bit of a joke culturally. It will always happen with pretty clean cut successful entertainers.
But I note it is ALWAYS the same dull midwit people who make these tedious Coldplay remarks, hoping they are amusing. They’re not amusing, they don’t actually display a sense of humour; they’re a kind of ersatz “humour” - like coffee made out of chicory during the war
I wasn’t a fan when he was at his peak but as I’ve grown older I’ve appreciated how good songs like “in the air tonight” and “against all odds” are and I have an enduring love for “easy lover” as it takes me back to childhood summer holidays when life was magnificently care free.0 -
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...3 -
I used to really like Delingpole as a music critic. The late 90s was something of a dead zone for me, musically: I had left home, I was suddenly surrounded by people who had weirdly mainstream taste in music (I didn't realise how unusual this was at the time, but everyone at my school was into either indie or metal or dance or goth or electronica, or else they kept very quiet about it), the internet was in its infancy, there was no Radio 6 and Stockport's incongruous very-independent-indie radio station KFM had been taken over by a mainstream bigger fish. James Delingpole reviews pointed me towards some very weird and wonderful stuff. I'm listening to some now, actually - Fonda 500 - which I rediscovered on my shelves last night.Selebian said:
On Coldplay, I remember reading a music review in the Telegraph of Rush of Blood to the Head, where the critic, who I liked, said something like - yes, I don't really like Coldplay very much, Chris Martin is a bit meh, but this album is actually good. I had a lot of time for his music reviews (his taste seemed similar to mine) so went out and bought it - back when going and buying physical CDs, albeit to rip to MP3, was still a thing.Cookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
Some years later, I was surprised to see the same critic pop up on the BBC discussing climate change, when BBC had false 'balance' on that and would find some random to appear on the denier side. Only then did I realise that James Delingpole was a complete wingnut. But a complete wingnut with reasonable musical taste
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Surely more scandalous than it being Coldplay is a CEO having to settle for an age appropriate mistress?2
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I wouldn’t consider myself much of a fan, but I’ve listened to Coldplay’s first album quite a lot and there are some lovely songs on there. ‘Don’t Panic’ in particular
As for Phil Collins, it’s true that he has long been considered naff, but he wrote some absolute classics in the 80s, one of which features in my MOR playlist.
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Morning all
Whatever others might say, the significant event yesterday was the Kensington Treaty and a big step on the re-definition of Britain’s relationship with Europe. The traditional enemies - France, Germany and Britain - are now developing a new relationship with both NATO and the EU which are both being by-passed in the name of strategic reality.
It’s also clear Merz isn’t quite what some here thought or expected and he is growing on me. His comments on Britain’s departure from the EU and on European defence were spot on and he could be a considerable political presence in Europe over the next decade.
The reality is the combination of a disengaging America and the war in the Ukraine has compelled a re-alignment of our strategic and economic relationships which won’t please everyone but is needed for a new era.1 -
The greatest gig I ever saw was Genesis on the Invisible Touch tour
ShowCo Prism PA, perhaps the best sounding pre-line array rig ever
The first tour to use Varilites exclusively
Magic
Strangely the best atmosphere at a gig was Big Country at The Playhouse. I don't remember the PA but the lighting rig was a handful of Parcans0 -
Oh god. Surely Khan won’t go for a FOURTH term. The fucking city is falling to pieces after a decade of his dire mediocritystodge said:
As far as London is concerned, it’s far too early to tell. We don’t know if Khan is running again and we don’t know any of the other candidates either.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences
I’d vote for literally anyone and any party rather than vote for him, literally anyone, ANY PARTY, as long as that party is really right wing and wants to shoot annoying dogs and expel indigent foreigners-1 -
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.1 -
From Braveheart, Wallace (W) fought for the Scots to be able to love their own sheep and not have the English King take jus primae noctus with them?Selebian said:
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...3 -
Talking of music. It appears that the John Toride sacking was about him using the “n” word while karaoke singing a Kanye West song. At an after work event.0
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Yes. That’s it preciselyisam said:I wouldn’t consider myself much of a fan, but I’ve listened to Coldplay’s first album quite a lot and there are some lovely songs on there. ‘Don’t Panic’ in particular
As for Phil Collins, it’s true that he has long been considered naff, but he wrote some absolute classics in the 80s, one of which features in my MOR playlist.
Most of the criticism these artists get is from people desperate to be thought of as edgy. The kind of people who think themselves broad minded but in reality have a very narrow outlook
Indeed the true edginess and insight comes from those who are able to perceive the quality in something ubiquitous, common, and popular. These people are on the right end of the bell curve
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YesSelebian said:
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...1 -
A pretext then perhaps. I recall City days when somebody unwanted would often be found to have porn on their computer.Malmesbury said:Talking of music. It appears that the John Toride sacking was about him using the “n” word while karaoke singing a Kanye West song. At an after work event.
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William Wallace, I think ?Selebian said:
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...1 -
Is this in relation to the Coldplay discussion?kinabalu said:Rewatching Live Aid, you realize how special Collins was in his pomp.
I assume you are thinking of Phil Collins. Which is useful, because following Leon's comparison of the Bee Gees and Coldplay - which I don't think works because the BeeGees were rightly both celebrated and mocked - I was trying to think of a better comparison. And Genesis and/or Phil Collins is probably it - dismissed as unremarkable middle ground, but actually containing bits of genius. "Turn it on again", for example, which has a very very weird time signature.
I think this is the comparison Leon should have made. But I would have still disagreed, because Coldplay are fine but contain nothing I can really enthuse about (nor, indeed, wildly castigate).
My favourite aspect to Coldplay's place in popular culture was that in Gavin and Stacey, Pete and Dawn chose to renew their vows using entirely quotes from the song 'Fix You'. Which was funny because Pete and Dawn were EXACTLY the sort of people who like Coldplay.2 -
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I'll probably vote for him again if he stands. He's not perfect but we could do a lot worse imo.Leon said:
Oh god. Surely Khan won’t go for a FOURTH term. The fucking city is falling to pieces after a decade of his dire mediocritystodge said:
As far as London is concerned, it’s far too early to tell. We don’t know if Khan is running again and we don’t know any of the other candidates either.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences
I’d vote for literally anyone and any party rather than vote for him, literally anyone, ANY PARTY, as long as that party is really right wing and wants to shoot annoying dogs and expel indigent foreigners0 -
London's air is so much sweeter and it's starting to feel like a Dutch city to this woke cyclist. It's amazing the transformation - the only criticism is that the Parisians have done an even better job.Leon said:
Oh god. Surely Khan won’t go for a FOURTH term. The fucking city is falling to pieces after a decade of his dire mediocritystodge said:
As far as London is concerned, it’s far too early to tell. We don’t know if Khan is running again and we don’t know any of the other candidates either.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences
I’d vote for literally anyone and any party rather than vote for him, literally anyone, ANY PARTY, as long as that party is really right wing and wants to shoot annoying dogs and expel indigent foreigners
If the Tories put up a candidate that will continue on that theme then fair enough. If it's some suburban sprawler with a double-cab pickup, live laugh love and a pug with breathing trouble then... nah.0 -
So we’ve done Bob Vylan and Coldplay, and we of course don’t talk about Radiohead. Any other recommendations?0
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I was only teasing Mister @Cookie. Tho he is totally wrong about Coldplaykinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
That IS an interesting article about the Bee Gees. They really didn’t get the respect they deserve during their time - perhaps because they were so protean
I remember when they stormed out of a talk show hosted by Clive Anderson because he cruelly mocked them for ten straight minutes at the start. Lots of people thought they were being precious but I was cheering them on
Because the Bee Gees were fucking legends and Clive Anderson is a stupid lame lawyer-comic who is now almost entirely forgotten, and he wasn’t even funny
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Earth to TSE. You can't rank your choices like in AV. So not like AV.TheScreamingEagles said:
It has multiple rounds of voting eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a final two, just like AV.Sunil_Prasannan said:Exhaustive Ballot ISN'T "Quasi-AV". It's the, er, Exhaustive Ballot.
I wonder if TSE is aware of Dave Cameron (PBUH)'s opinion of AV?0 -
Wallace from Wallace & Gromit has no first name.Nigelb said:.
William Wallace, I think ?Selebian said:
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...0 -
There is a Genesis tribute band called The Musical Box
Some years ago they toured the 'original' production of The Lamb lies Down on Broadway, by which I mean they had the original slides used on the original tour
They had a guy playing drums for that tour who looked like Phil Collins, sounded like Phil Collins, played drums left handed like Phil Collins.
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Coincidentally as I saw your post with the Peter Gabriel songs on his “in your eyes” came on my broad playlist, following obviously “everything starts with an E” by E-zee Posse, proof that one can enjoy the full range of styles however incongruous.isam said:I wouldn’t consider myself much of a fan, but I’ve listened to Coldplay’s first album quite a lot and there are some lovely songs on there. ‘Don’t Panic’ in particular
As for Phil Collins, it’s true that he has long been considered naff, but he wrote some absolute classics in the 80s, one of which features in my MOR playlist.
Most of the criticism these artists get is from people desperate to be thought of as edgy. The kind of people who think themselves broad minded but in reality have a very narrow outlook0 -
I worked for a CEO who resolutely, as a matter of policy, refused to scrutinise expense claims. Whenever he wanted to cut costs (occasionally) or had an animus against someone (frequently) he would review an individual's expenses claims, find a discrepancy, and fire them for dishonesty. He reckoned it was 1) cheaper than employing lawyers for industrial tribunals, 2) it was more effective, and 3) it was more fun.kinabalu said:
A pretext then perhaps. I recall City days when somebody unwanted would often be found to have porn on their computer.Malmesbury said:Talking of music. It appears that the John Toride sacking was about him using the “n” word while karaoke singing a Kanye West song. At an after work event.
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I'd always assumed he had no surname.Malmesbury said:
Wallace from Wallace & Gromit has no first name.Nigelb said:.
William Wallace, I think ?Selebian said:
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...2 -
Most of that is from national level rules tightening up on pollution. The measures the various majors have taken are reactive to this. The Boris buses, for example, were planned in order to remove some ancient vehicles spewing black smoke - particulates and NO2 emissions were (and are) a big issue.Eabhal said:
London's air is so much sweeter and it's starting to feel like a Dutch city to this woke cyclist. It's amazing the transformation - the only criticism is that the Parisians have done an even better job.Leon said:
Oh god. Surely Khan won’t go for a FOURTH term. The fucking city is falling to pieces after a decade of his dire mediocritystodge said:
As far as London is concerned, it’s far too early to tell. We don’t know if Khan is running again and we don’t know any of the other candidates either.HYUFD said:If Mayoral elections are elected by SV that would be ironically good news for Tory candidates in Mayoral elections in new unitary areas. In Essex next year for example Reform would likely win the Mayoral election under FPTP but the Tories could win it with Labour and LD preferences.
In London it may help Khan though as LD and Green voters will likely be more than Reform votes if likely Conservative candidate Cleverly wins on first preferences
I’d vote for literally anyone and any party rather than vote for him, literally anyone, ANY PARTY, as long as that party is really right wing and wants to shoot annoying dogs and expel indigent foreigners
If the Tories put up a candidate that will continue on that theme then fair enough. If it's some suburban sprawler with a double-cab pickup, live laugh love and a pug with breathing trouble then... nah.0 -
Yes, I was with Barry on that. I'm not a fan of the smartarse roasting genre.Leon said:
I was only teasing Mister @Cookie. Tho he is totally wrong about Coldplaykinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
That IS an interesting article about the Bee Gees. They really didn’t get the respect they deserve during their time - perhaps because they were so protean
I remember when they stormed out of a talk show hosted by Clive Anderson because he cruelly mocked them for ten straight minutes at the start. Lots of people thought they were being precious but I was cheering them on
Because the Bee Gees were fucking legends and Clive Anderson is a stupid lame lawyer-comic who is now almost entirely forgotten, and he wasn’t even funny
Show some respect, you tit0 -
That Coldplay are neither good nor bad, or that the BeeGees are both brilliant and ridiculous?Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
It will be a cold day in hell before I have strong feelings about Coldplay. I am steadfast in my lack of enthusiasm or rancour for them.1 -
True, its just First Past the Post in reverse. Last past the post drop out.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Earth to TSE. You can't rank your choices like in AV. So not like AV.TheScreamingEagles said:
It has multiple rounds of voting eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a final two, just like AV.Sunil_Prasannan said:Exhaustive Ballot ISN'T "Quasi-AV". It's the, er, Exhaustive Ballot.
I wonder if TSE is aware of Dave Cameron (PBUH)'s opinion of AV?0 -
More a case of a handbrake turn into "ZERO! TOLERANCE!"kinabalu said:
A pretext then perhaps. I recall City days when somebody unwanted would often be found to have porn on their computer.Malmesbury said:Talking of music. It appears that the John Toride sacking was about him using the “n” word while karaoke singing a Kanye West song. At an after work event.
Don't worry, within a month or two, the talent will be back to chasing the interns and going a bit Tommy ManyNames on the subject of the Effniks after a few sherbets.
All this has happened before. And will happen again.1 -
A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?
There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis
I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks1 -
I was teasing. Tho your views on Coldplay are jejuneCookie said:
That Coldplay are neither good nor bad, or that the BeeGees are both brilliant and ridiculous?Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
It will be a cold day in hell before I have strong feelings about Coldplay. I am steadfast in my lack of enthusiasm or rancour for them.1 -
An edgy person who made some beautiful music is Elliot Smith. Quite a tragic storyGallowgate said:So we’ve done Bob Vylan and Coldplay, and we of course don’t talk about Radiohead. Any other recommendations?
Miss Misery, Angeles, & Pitseleh are my favourites
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Yes, me too. I remember that incident. I was on the BeeGees side too.kinabalu said:
Yes, I was with Barry on that. I'm not a fan of the smartarse roasting genre.Leon said:
I was only teasing Mister @Cookie. Tho he is totally wrong about Coldplaykinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
That IS an interesting article about the Bee Gees. They really didn’t get the respect they deserve during their time - perhaps because they were so protean
I remember when they stormed out of a talk show hosted by Clive Anderson because he cruelly mocked them for ten straight minutes at the start. Lots of people thought they were being precious but I was cheering them on
Because the Bee Gees were fucking legends and Clive Anderson is a stupid lame lawyer-comic who is now almost entirely forgotten, and he wasn’t even funny
Show some respect, you tit
The best thing about it was its lack of coordination. Two of them stormed out, leaving the other one and Clive to sort of shrug apologetically at each other before the third one joined them.2 -
‘In Your Eyes’ live on the Secret World tour when it is augmented by a load of extra musicians is fantastic. The original is great too. From a film ft Frasier’s Dad who is, coincidentally, on my tv right nowboulay said:…
Coincidentally as I saw your post with the Peter Gabriel songs on his “in your eyes” came on my broad playlist, following obviously “everything starts with an E” by E-zee Posse, proof that one can enjoy the full range of styles however incongruous.isam said:I wouldn’t consider myself much of a fan, but I’ve listened to Coldplay’s first album quite a lot and there are some lovely songs on there. ‘Don’t Panic’ in particular
As for Phil Collins, it’s true that he has long been considered naff, but he wrote some absolute classics in the 80s, one of which features in my MOR playlist.
Most of the criticism these artists get is from people desperate to be thought of as edgy. The kind of people who think themselves broad minded but in reality have a very narrow outlook0 -
Bell-ends, so to speak?Leon said:
Yes. That’s it preciselyisam said:I wouldn’t consider myself much of a fan, but I’ve listened to Coldplay’s first album quite a lot and there are some lovely songs on there. ‘Don’t Panic’ in particular
As for Phil Collins, it’s true that he has long been considered naff, but he wrote some absolute classics in the 80s, one of which features in my MOR playlist.
Most of the criticism these artists get is from people desperate to be thought of as edgy. The kind of people who think themselves broad minded but in reality have a very narrow outlook
Indeed the true edginess and insight comes from those who are able to perceive the quality in something ubiquitous, common, and popular. These people are on the right end of the bell curve
But sure. Most of the artists we perceive as great were popular in their time - they were popular for a reason. It'll be interesting to see what the world makes of Coldplay when Chris Martin has long been pushing up daisies.1 -
“I don’t do impressions”Cookie said:
Yes, me too. I remember that incident. I was on the BeeGees side too.kinabalu said:
Yes, I was with Barry on that. I'm not a fan of the smartarse roasting genre.Leon said:
I was only teasing Mister @Cookie. Tho he is totally wrong about Coldplaykinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
That IS an interesting article about the Bee Gees. They really didn’t get the respect they deserve during their time - perhaps because they were so protean
I remember when they stormed out of a talk show hosted by Clive Anderson because he cruelly mocked them for ten straight minutes at the start. Lots of people thought they were being precious but I was cheering them on
Because the Bee Gees were fucking legends and Clive Anderson is a stupid lame lawyer-comic who is now almost entirely forgotten, and he wasn’t even funny
Show some respect, you tit
The best thing about it was its lack of coordination. Two of them stormed out, leaving the other one and Clive to sort of shrug apologetically at each other before the third one joined them.1 -
We entirely agree! That’s exactly what Clive Anderson is - or was. A “smart-arse”. And not even funny or particularly good at itkinabalu said:
Yes, I was with Barry on that. I'm not a fan of the smartarse roasting genre.Leon said:
I was only teasing Mister @Cookie. Tho he is totally wrong about Coldplaykinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
That IS an interesting article about the Bee Gees. They really didn’t get the respect they deserve during their time - perhaps because they were so protean
I remember when they stormed out of a talk show hosted by Clive Anderson because he cruelly mocked them for ten straight minutes at the start. Lots of people thought they were being precious but I was cheering them on
Because the Bee Gees were fucking legends and Clive Anderson is a stupid lame lawyer-comic who is now almost entirely forgotten, and he wasn’t even funny
Show some respect, you tit
And he tried to cruelly mock genuinely brilliant artists. I’m afraid I’m slightly glad his career collapsed
And on this note of concord, I must arise and go to Innisfree, to where the Nespressos lurk
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Brings to mind my rule about singer/songwriters; any material written over twenty years since their first release should have to go before some kind of panel that decides whether it would have got the green light if they were an artist with no back catalogue of success. Very few make the cut, and many reputations would be preservedLeon said:A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?
There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis
I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks0 -
Maurice did get to marry Lulu tho.kinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
She was pretty impressive during her turn with Sir Rod at Glastonbury.
I must be getting old.1 -
Get over it old man, there's plenty of modern music that future generations will get nostalgic about. You're just too old to appreciate it.Leon said:A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?
There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis
I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks
Old people said the same thing in the 1990s. No great music this decade, nobody will remember anything, the biggest touring band of the moment is The Rolling Stones.1 -
Hence the '&G' (Gromit) as the identifier.Malmesbury said:
Wallace from Wallace & Gromit has no first name.Nigelb said:.
William Wallace, I think ?Selebian said:
Which Wallace is this again? Did Wallace (G) do something else creative with his anatomy while on Masterchef, did Wallace (B) rescue some Afghan sheep or is this from the chase in the latest Wallace (&G) film?Eabhal said:
OTOH, ScotRail has confirmed it's perfectly legal to take your sheep on a train. So Wallace's legacy isn't entirely dead.Selebian said:
Is wearing t-shirts so unusual in Scotland? Or are lots of people getting arrested?Eabhal said:Police Scotland currently arresting people under the Terrorism Act for displaying Palestine Action posters and wearing t-shirts.
I mean I could understand if this was Newcastle...
Do we know that Wallace is the surname? I think the Norbot calls him 'Mr Wallace' but some of my mum's carers call my dad Mr [firstname].0 -
"It is very disappointing that Sir Keir Starmer didn’t go for a more equitable voting system such as the single transferable vote or the alternative vote system ..."
Aren't they identical in an election to fill only one office?0 -
A very useful and worthwhile test - one which Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell and Paul Simon would pass with flying colours.isam said:
Brings to mind my rule about singer/songwriters; any material written over twenty years since their first release should have to go before some kind of panel that decides whether it would have got the green light if they were an artist with no back catalogue of success. Very few make the cut, and many reputations would be preservedLeon said:A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?
There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis
I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks0 -
Hence why I call it quasi-AV.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Earth to TSE. You can't rank your choices like in AV. So not like AV.TheScreamingEagles said:
It has multiple rounds of voting eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a final two, just like AV.Sunil_Prasannan said:Exhaustive Ballot ISN'T "Quasi-AV". It's the, er, Exhaustive Ballot.
I wonder if TSE is aware of Dave Cameron (PBUH)'s opinion of AV?
Honestly Sunil you profess your love for the English language and you don’t know what quasi means.0 -
Culture came to a halt in the mid 90s. Popular music now doesn't really sound very different to how it did 30 years ago. Bands don't really get off the stage any more. We still also have Pulp and Elbow. Indeed, the world in general doesn't really look that different. I look out the window at passers by and they are dressed like they might have been in 1995. Whereas if I looked out the window in 1995, the world would have looked very different to how it would have in 1965; and even more so from 1965 to 1935. And my daughters listen to stuff from the 2020s, but also stuff from the 1990s and 1980s. The equivalent for me at their age in the late 80s would be listening to things from the 40s and 50s. Which I definitely didn't do.Leon said:A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?
There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis
I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks
I find this very odd. And yes, counter-examples can be found, and there is tech, and (slightly) different standards of behaviour and the country has far more people and politics is different. But the look and feel of the world we live in is puzzlingly similar to that of 30 years ago in a way which hasn't happened for generations.2 -
To be fair the backlash at Clive Anderson was so bad he had to change his name to Adam Boulton and become a political journalist on Sky where nobody would see him.Leon said:
We entirely agree! That’s exactly what Clive Anderson is - or was. A “smart-arse”. And not even funny or particularly good at itkinabalu said:
Yes, I was with Barry on that. I'm not a fan of the smartarse roasting genre.Leon said:
I was only teasing Mister @Cookie. Tho he is totally wrong about Coldplaykinabalu said:
It's a good point about the Gibb genetic inequity though. The youngest and oldest brothers were heartthrob hansdome, the middle two not so much. Also, unusually, they died in reverse order. The youngest first, the oldest (Barry) still with us.Leon said:
This is the worst comment you have ever made. I’m now beginning to doubt the supposed merits of northern England, which you persuasively avow, upon occasionCookie said:
Well I'll bite on this, cos I'm a massive music snob.Leon said:
Why are people so absurdly snooty about Coldplayboulay said:…
“Give my client what she wants or we will publicly reveal it’s actually the second time you’ve been to a Coldplay concert.”TheScreamingEagles said:
Imagine being her divorce lawyers, you’d be happier than a pig in muck.Sandpit said:LOL that “Coldplay concert” is the #1 trend this morning, and it’s all because a billionaire is about to get divorced.
Imagine being so bad to your wife that you went to a Coldplay concert.
It’s a middle middle class affectation, I think. A slightly insecure signalling of “superior” taste, done by people who are, perhaps subconsciously, nervous of their social status
We had the same with Bee Gees. It was fashionable amongst the middlebrow to diss them. Now we all accept they were musical geniuses. Which they were
I'd argue the disdain for Coldplay is of a different stripe to that for the BeeGees.
Coldplay are *fine*. They do some well-crafted pop songs. It's just that I can't imagine how anyone could be so enthused by them as to want to shell out vast amounts to go and listen to them live (apart from a 15 year old autistic boy I know, who is very very keen). In most cases I wouldn't go out of my way to turn them off as I would with, say, something by Stock Aitken and Waterman. But nor would I ever choose to listen to them. They are well-crafted background music. They are music for people who don't like music.
Whereas the Beegees are the opposite. Both brilliant AND ridiculous. They are both loveable and hateable depending on taste, which is a far superior thing to be.
Back in 2023, I had a Telegraph subscription, and it was worth it for this article alone - a review of a book about the Bee Gees by Bob Stanley of St Ettiene fame - though how much of my enjoyment is down to the reviewer and how much to Bob Stanley, I don't know (I never got round to reading the book - perhaps I should):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/bee-gees-children-of-the-world-by-bob-stanley-review/?msockid=2e08108726996980126002ac27a16810
Highlights of the review included:
- Musings on the name "it sounded like someone was trying to say Beach Boys, but then lost heart"
- Reflections on the uneven hand nature had dealt the three brothers - one of whom looks like a 70s idea of a heartthrob, the other two looking like circus freakshows.
- The very strangeness of early Bee Gees lyrics e.g. Massachusetts:
"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts
And Massachusetts is one place I have seen" - starts off profound and quickly falls away to inane.
Their biographies were full of oddness. And, just go and look at some BeeGees videos on Youtube. Just look at them and try to keep a straight face.
A friend of mine once lived in a house in Chorlton owned by the BeeGees, or at least whichever of them were still alive. Decent landlords, by her account.
Anyway, the BeeGees. Definitely worthy of anyone's time but also definitely ridiculous.
That IS an interesting article about the Bee Gees. They really didn’t get the respect they deserve during their time - perhaps because they were so protean
I remember when they stormed out of a talk show hosted by Clive Anderson because he cruelly mocked them for ten straight minutes at the start. Lots of people thought they were being precious but I was cheering them on
Because the Bee Gees were fucking legends and Clive Anderson is a stupid lame lawyer-comic who is now almost entirely forgotten, and he wasn’t even funny
Show some respect, you tit
And he tried to cruelly mock genuinely brilliant artists. I’m afraid I’m slightly glad his career collapsed
And on this note of concord, I must arise and go to Innisfree, to where the Nespressos lurk3 -
He was the chancellor when Liz Truss was PM.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hence why I call it quasi-AV.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Earth to TSE. You can't rank your choices like in AV. So not like AV.TheScreamingEagles said:
It has multiple rounds of voting eliminating the lowest ranked candidate until we have a final two, just like AV.Sunil_Prasannan said:Exhaustive Ballot ISN'T "Quasi-AV". It's the, er, Exhaustive Ballot.
I wonder if TSE is aware of Dave Cameron (PBUH)'s opinion of AV?
Honestly Sunil you profess your love for the English language and you don’t know what quasi means.6 -
Is “Bob Dylan” a Bob Vylan tribute act?AugustusCarp2 said:
A very useful and worthwhile test - one which Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell and Paul Simon would pass with flying colours.isam said:
Brings to mind my rule about singer/songwriters; any material written over twenty years since their first release should have to go before some kind of panel that decides whether it would have got the green light if they were an artist with no back catalogue of success. Very few make the cut, and many reputations would be preservedLeon said:A melancholy subtext to this music chat is “what will PBers be nostalgically talking about, musically, in 2047”?
There won’t be any 2020s music for them to nostalge about. The biggest touring band of the moment is Oasis
I guess they could go on and on and on about Taylor Swift until @HYUFD-botX178 threatens to invade the website with royally-approved cybertanks2
