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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,187
    edited July 12

    ydoethur said:

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Perm any 4 from 7

    Why are Harrison and Malcolm in there ahead of Barnes, Tyson and Statham?
    Barnes was not a quick. Ok, I'll add Tyson and Statham though!
    And who on earth is G Thomas??
    Greg Thomas, played 5 tests in the 80s. Genuinely the fastest bowler I've ever seen play for England. Holding and Marshall level quick but wildly inaccurate at times.
    Terrifying though. Hes in for raw pace

    Edit - and had the great English cricket (actually Welsh in his case) tradition of having a body as strong as a poppadom
    I did rather like this tale of Greg from Wiki:
    The West Indian batsman Viv Richards was notorious for punishing bowlers that dared to sledge him. So much so, that many opposing captains banned their players from the practice. However, in a county game against Glamorgan, Thomas attempted to sledge him after he had played and missed at several balls in a row. He informed Richards: "It's red, round and weighs about five ounces, in case you were wondering". Richards hammered the next delivery out of the ground and into a nearby river. Turning to the bowler, he commented: "Greg, you know what it looks like, now go and find it".
    Richards was a passable bat tbf
    If some of our so-called Bazballers would note his* thrilling, attacking stroke play was based above all on a masterful defensive technique so he would block good balls and punish bad less than perfect ones, England would be a much more formidable team.

    *And Gordon Greenidge’s, for that matter.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,148
    edited July 12

    Off topic and sorry to lower the tone to the gutter, but I just watched the Ladies final. Swiatek was ruthless, but I can't help wondering if Amanda Anisimova's enormous knockers were something of an incumbrance to her performance.

    I'm sorry. What?

    Utter bilge.
    Fair enough. @kinabalu put me right with Serena.
    Yes, killer point from me there.

    Although as always we can never know the counterfactual.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Perm any 4 from 7

    Why are Harrison and Malcolm in there ahead of Barnes, Tyson and Statham?
    Barnes was not a quick. Ok, I'll add Tyson and Statham though!
    And who on earth is G Thomas??
    Greg Thomas, played 5 tests in the 80s. Genuinely the fastest bowler I've ever seen play for England. Holding and Marshall level quick but wildly inaccurate at times.
    Terrifying though. Hes in for raw pace

    Edit - and had the great English cricket (actually Welsh in his case) tradition of having a body as strong as a poppadom
    I did rather like this tale of Greg from Wiki:
    The West Indian batsman Viv Richards was notorious for punishing bowlers that dared to sledge him. So much so, that many opposing captains banned their players from the practice. However, in a county game against Glamorgan, Thomas attempted to sledge him after he had played and missed at several balls in a row. He informed Richards: "It's red, round and weighs about five ounces, in case you were wondering". Richards hammered the next delivery out of the ground and into a nearby river. Turning to the bowler, he commented: "Greg, you know what it looks like, now go and find it".
    Richards was a passable bat tbf
    If some of our so-called Bazballers would note his* thrilling, attacking stroke play was based above all on a masterful defensive technique so he would block good balls and punish bad ones, England would be a much more formidable team.

    *And Gordon Greenidge’s, for that matter.
    Some people are just very very very good!
    The 189 n.o. in the 1st ODI 1984 is probably the greatest innings ever played in ODIs
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,187

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Perm any 4 from 7

    Why are Harrison and Malcolm in there ahead of Barnes, Tyson and Statham?
    Barnes was not a quick. Ok, I'll add Tyson and Statham though!
    And who on earth is G Thomas??
    Greg Thomas, played 5 tests in the 80s. Genuinely the fastest bowler I've ever seen play for England. Holding and Marshall level quick but wildly inaccurate at times.
    Terrifying though. Hes in for raw pace

    Edit - and had the great English cricket (actually Welsh in his case) tradition of having a body as strong as a poppadom
    I did rather like this tale of Greg from Wiki:
    The West Indian batsman Viv Richards was notorious for punishing bowlers that dared to sledge him. So much so, that many opposing captains banned their players from the practice. However, in a county game against Glamorgan, Thomas attempted to sledge him after he had played and missed at several balls in a row. He informed Richards: "It's red, round and weighs about five ounces, in case you were wondering". Richards hammered the next delivery out of the ground and into a nearby river. Turning to the bowler, he commented: "Greg, you know what it looks like, now go and find it".
    Richards was a passable bat tbf
    If some of our so-called Bazballers would note his* thrilling, attacking stroke play was based above all on a masterful defensive technique so he would block good balls and punish bad ones, England would be a much more formidable team.

    *And Gordon Greenidge’s, for that matter.
    Some people are just very very very good!
    The 189 n.o. in the 1st ODI 1984 is probably the greatest innings ever played in ODIs
    Well, yes, he was very very good, but his mindset is one the current England lineup would study with considerable profit. It is not just about trying to hit every ball for four.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,162
    edited July 12
    McMurdock seems dodgy as hell… but it’s interesting that he was a genuine paper candidate. Shows how little it can matter who the candidate is

    McMurdock became an MP after agreeing to serve as a “paper candidate” — someone who does not expect to win but enables their party to say it has run in that constituency — in South Basildon & East Thurrock. It was previously a Tory stronghold with a majority of 19,922.

    He won his seat by 98 votes after a three-way split between Reform, the Conservatives and Labour led to a recount. The married father of four was described as the party’s “accidental MP” and figures in party headquarters reported that they had first heard of him after his victory.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/1d7adf0b-80f6-41d4-a151-11b243bd0eed?shareToken=f7666a860b945424a9aebc155577a1ed
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Perm any 4 from 7

    Why are Harrison and Malcolm in there ahead of Barnes, Tyson and Statham?
    Barnes was not a quick. Ok, I'll add Tyson and Statham though!
    And who on earth is G Thomas??
    Greg Thomas, played 5 tests in the 80s. Genuinely the fastest bowler I've ever seen play for England. Holding and Marshall level quick but wildly inaccurate at times.
    Terrifying though. Hes in for raw pace

    Edit - and had the great English cricket (actually Welsh in his case) tradition of having a body as strong as a poppadom
    I did rather like this tale of Greg from Wiki:
    The West Indian batsman Viv Richards was notorious for punishing bowlers that dared to sledge him. So much so, that many opposing captains banned their players from the practice. However, in a county game against Glamorgan, Thomas attempted to sledge him after he had played and missed at several balls in a row. He informed Richards: "It's red, round and weighs about five ounces, in case you were wondering". Richards hammered the next delivery out of the ground and into a nearby river. Turning to the bowler, he commented: "Greg, you know what it looks like, now go and find it".
    Richards was a passable bat tbf
    If some of our so-called Bazballers would note his* thrilling, attacking stroke play was based above all on a masterful defensive technique so he would block good balls and punish bad ones, England would be a much more formidable team.

    *And Gordon Greenidge’s, for that matter.
    Some people are just very very very good!
    The 189 n.o. in the 1st ODI 1984 is probably the greatest innings ever played in ODIs
    Well, yes, he was very very good, but his mindset is one the current England lineup would study with considerable profit. It is not just about trying to hit every ball for four.
    Bazball is rather too blunt an instrument, yes. And I totally agree on his mindset
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239

    Turns out, aligning LLMs to be "helpful" via human feedback actually teaches them to bullshit—and Chain-of-Thought reasoning just makes it worse!

    Machine Bullshit: Characterizing the Emergent Disregard for Truth in Large Language Models
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.07484

    How do you teach them to become MechaHitlers?
    Train them on Elon Musk's tweets

    https://x.com/ericbrownzzz/status/1943404893340831949
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160
    edited July 12
    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204
    isam said:

    McMurdock seems dodgy as hell… but it’s interesting that he was a genuine paper candidate. Shows how little it can matter who the candidate is

    McMurdock became an MP after agreeing to serve as a “paper candidate” — someone who does not expect to win but enables their party to say it has run in that constituency — in South Basildon & East Thurrock. It was previously a Tory stronghold with a majority of 19,922.

    He won his seat by 98 votes after a three-way split between Reform, the Conservatives and Labour led to a recount. The married father of four was described as the party’s “accidental MP” and figures in party headquarters reported that they had first heard of him after his victory.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/1d7adf0b-80f6-41d4-a151-11b243bd0eed?shareToken=f7666a860b945424a9aebc155577a1ed

    Every party does that. We'd like to think every party had an excellent candidate for each constituency - preferably local - but there are constituencies a party never expect to win, and therefore no-one sensible/serious wants to stand for. Then something unusual happens and they win that seat, and the candidate has a "Oh shugar" moment.

    But it's poor form on the Farage Party's part. McMurdock's sins are nowhere near as hilarious as Jared O'Mara's.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204

    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19

    That's quite startling, and could be seen as justified and utterly unjustified, according to viewpoint.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    edited July 12

    isam said:

    McMurdock seems dodgy as hell… but it’s interesting that he was a genuine paper candidate. Shows how little it can matter who the candidate is

    McMurdock became an MP after agreeing to serve as a “paper candidate” — someone who does not expect to win but enables their party to say it has run in that constituency — in South Basildon & East Thurrock. It was previously a Tory stronghold with a majority of 19,922.

    He won his seat by 98 votes after a three-way split between Reform, the Conservatives and Labour led to a recount. The married father of four was described as the party’s “accidental MP” and figures in party headquarters reported that they had first heard of him after his victory.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/1d7adf0b-80f6-41d4-a151-11b243bd0eed?shareToken=f7666a860b945424a9aebc155577a1ed

    Every party does that. We'd like to think every party had an excellent candidate for each constituency - preferably local - but there are constituencies a party never expect to win, and therefore no-one sensible/serious wants to stand for. Then something unusual happens and they win that seat, and the candidate has a "Oh shugar" moment.

    But it's poor form on the Farage Party's part. McMurdock's sins are nowhere near as hilarious as Jared O'Mara's.
    Now there was an unsuitable candidate....

    Got any dodgy social media posts...well...ok but its all old stuff on tw@tter right....erhhh...and none of this behaviour in real life...looks at shoes....but day to day, you hard working diligent, no drug issues or anything like that...gulp....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648

    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19

    That's quite startling, and could be seen as justified and utterly unjustified, according to viewpoint.
    They've also lost their lead on the economy. Wheels coming off a bit
    Notable the 'positives' for job approval are also now equal Starmer vs Kemi at 18. Farage out on 30, hence the VI lead!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    edited July 12

    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19

    That's quite startling, and could be seen as justified and utterly unjustified, according to viewpoint.
    They've also lost their lead on the economy. Wheels coming off a bit
    Notable the 'positives' for job approval are also now equal Starmer vs Kemi at 18. Farage out on 30, hence the VI lead!
    And we haven't even had the tax rises that will be announced in due course.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204

    I think that PB might be my online spiritual home largely because of its love for cricket, and especially Test matches

    I find cricket intensely boring. I always have. It seems a silly 'sport' to me.

    But others enjoy it, and will give up their spare time to play, both amateur and professional. So fair enough.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,177

    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19

    That's quite startling, and could be seen as justified and utterly unjustified, according to viewpoint.
    They've also lost their lead on the economy. Wheels coming off a bit
    Notable the 'positives' for job approval are also now equal Starmer vs Kemi at 18. Farage out on 30, hence the VI lead!
    And we haven't even had the tax rises that will be announced in due course.
    Banging on about giving junior doctors 28.9% while they prepare to go on strike again and Reeves prepares to raise taxes to pay for it is the perfect storm for a Labour government.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,159
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,848
    If anyone on here has been to Uzbekistan I am looking for some tips. Mainly are any of the Silk Road cities (or Tashkent) worth a third night, as I am looking to slow myself down a bit. And where in the Ferghana is worth visiting? Assume I will book a tour to Moynaq/Aral Sea. Tx!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,134

    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19

    That's quite startling, and could be seen as justified and utterly unjustified, according to viewpoint.
    They've also lost their lead on the economy. Wheels coming off a bit
    Notable the 'positives' for job approval are also now equal Starmer vs Kemi at 18. Farage out on 30, hence the VI lead!
    And we haven't even had the tax rises that will be announced in due course.
    Banging on about giving junior doctors 28.9% while they prepare to go on strike again and Reeves prepares to raise taxes to pay for it is the perfect storm for a Labour government.
    If you aren't happy about the salary bands for doctors, going to Med School is a bit of a daft thing to do.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,481

    I think that PB might be my online spiritual home largely because of its love for cricket, and especially Test matches

    I find cricket intensely boring. I always have. It seems a silly 'sport' to me.

    But others enjoy it, and will give up their spare time to play, both amateur and professional. So fair enough.
    I pity you not knowing what Stokes at Headingley means to fans
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,583

    Today, my son had me climbing Cutty Sark's rigging. An eleven year old was not allowed to do it on his own.

    Having kids is wonderful. :)

    Bet they didn’t let you stand on the button… ;-)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,870

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Edit
    F Tyson
    B Statham

    Perm any 4 from 9

    John Snow ?

    The Sussex fast bowler, not any of the other John Snows.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,177
    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Is it not classed as the property of Scottish Water?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204
    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,988

    If anyone on here has been to Uzbekistan I am looking for some tips. Mainly are any of the Silk Road cities (or Tashkent) worth a third night, as I am looking to slow myself down a bit. And where in the Ferghana is worth visiting? Assume I will book a tour to Moynaq/Aral Sea. Tx!

    Isn't County Ferghana in Northern Ireland? (ba-dum-tish)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648
    edited July 12

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Edit
    F Tyson
    B Statham

    Perm any 4 from 9

    John Snow ?

    The Sussex fast bowler, not any of the other John Snows.
    Perhaps. Hes no Gregory Thomas though!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,177

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    A broad area?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,481
    Do we have any Lancashire CC fans old enough to remember bowler Bob Ratcliffe from the late 70s?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    It's quite clever actually

    They have a diesel driven pump that feeds a massive sprinkler arm mounted on a drum

    The water pressure turns the drum and winds the hose onto it, which pulls the rig across the field

    When it reaches the end, the pump shuts off automatically
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    A broad area?
    An area frequented by tigers. Fen Tigers. None of that man-made mamby-pamby 'broads' nonsense.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Edit
    F Tyson
    B Statham

    Perm any 4 from 9

    John Snow ?

    The Sussex fast bowler, not any of the other John Snows.
    Interestingly it sats he was originally a chest on inswing bowler which, pre becoming a decrepit old wretch, i was in my cricket career.
    Sacrifice pace to slide through the gate
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,583

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    I recall a complete Karen who demanded that a local farmer make available the contents of his pond. Apparently it was an outrage that he was watering crops, during a hosepipe ban.

    Not sure how he was supposed to transport it…
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239
    Germany having a nightmare
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    A broad area?
    An area frequented by tigers. Fen Tigers. None of that man-made mamby-pamby 'broads' nonsense.
    The fens are full of failed Anglo Saxon rebels, King Johns treasure and criminals. They are useful only for keeping foreigners out of Norfolk
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,988

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    I recall a complete Karen who demanded that a local farmer make available the contents of his pond.
    You mean she was from Burma??

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,186
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 miles is the approximate length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    One of my favourite long bike rides was a coast-to-coast-to-coast across northern Scotland. Fortunately, the wind backed through 180 degrees in the twelve hours otherwise I’d have been stranded a long way from my bd for the night.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,481
    Anyone following England v Argentina (just started) in the rugby?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    New online safety rules are here - but as tech races ahead, expect changes

    But the debate over whether the changes will have the right effect is already raging. In private, the government freely admits the new rules already need an update.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0mn7gmpplo

    Read as even more rules and regs.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    I recall a complete Karen who demanded that a local farmer make available the contents of his pond. Apparently it was an outrage that he was watering crops, during a hosepipe ban.

    Not sure how he was supposed to transport it…
    Back in the heatwave of ?1976?, a railwayman in Derbyshire was prosecuted for using a hosepipe during a ban to water his lineside allotment. He won, because the water was coming from Totley Tunnel, and was, at that point, railway property, not the water company's.

    (Urban legend; I've no idea if it is true, but it's so ridiculous it may be.)

    Totley Tunnel was, at the time of its opening in the 1890s, the second-longest tunnel in Britain, only slightly shorter than the Severn Tunnel, and was/is notoriously 'wet'. It is still the fourth-longest tunnel.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,698
    edited July 12

    If anyone on here has been to Uzbekistan I am looking for some tips. Mainly are any of the Silk Road cities (or Tashkent) worth a third night, as I am looking to slow myself down a bit. And where in the Ferghana is worth visiting? Assume I will book a tour to Moynaq/Aral Sea. Tx!

    I went to Uzbekistan a few years back and really enjoyed it. I don't know what your attention span is like, but I'd say both Samarkand and Bokhara are worth another day - Khiva less so. I found the first two fascinating, but by the third I had somewhat got the point.

    Enjoy.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204
    sarissa said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 miles is the approximate length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    One of my favourite long bike rides was a coast-to-coast-to-coast across northern Scotland. Fortunately, the wind backed through 180 degrees in the twelve hours otherwise I’d have been stranded a long way from my bd for the night.
    Years ago, I heard of a couple of blokes walking coast-to-coast across Scotland in a day. If you take 'coast' to be tidal waters. From memory, Bonar Bridge was one of the endpoints.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    A broad area?
    An area frequented by tigers. Fen Tigers. None of that man-made mamby-pamby 'broads' nonsense.
    The fens are full of failed Anglo Saxon rebels, King Johns treasure and criminals. They are useful only for keeping foreigners out of Norfolk
    And that's meant to be a bad thing? ;)
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 760
    Anyone else watching LiveAid on TV waiting for Freddie to come on?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    Anti-Semitism ‘normalised in middle-class Britain’

    Government-backed report says Jewish people suffering increased prejudice across society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/anti-semitism-normalised-britain-british-board-jews-israel/
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,924
    sarissa said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 miles is the approximate length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    One of my favourite long bike rides was a coast-to-coast-to-coast across northern Scotland. Fortunately, the wind backed through 180 degrees in the twelve hours otherwise I’d have been stranded a long way from my bd for the night.
    The Southern Upland Way is a coast to coast, and 214 miles. Remarkably few people complete it, through some of the most unknown territory of the UK.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648

    Scott_xP said:

    Farmers’ fury over ban on watering crops during heatwave
    Growers warn the restriction, imposed by the Environment Agency on around 240 farms in East Anglia, threatens significant harvest losses

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/farmers-abstraction-ban-watering-crops-norfolk-heatwave/

    At least one of my local farms has a private 'reservoir' (it's a very big pond really)
    Lots of those in East Anglia. Some are really large. But so is the area of land they water.
    A broad area?
    An area frequented by tigers. Fen Tigers. None of that man-made mamby-pamby 'broads' nonsense.
    The fens are full of failed Anglo Saxon rebels, King Johns treasure and criminals. They are useful only for keeping foreigners out of Norfolk
    And that's meant to be a bad thing? ;)
    You make a good point!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,051

    New online safety rules are here - but as tech races ahead, expect changes

    But the debate over whether the changes will have the right effect is already raging. In private, the government freely admits the new rules already need an update.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0mn7gmpplo

    Read as even more rules and regs.

    Some of the new rules and regs don't conflict with previous rules and regs. Which is a pleasant surprise.

    I still enjoy - almost daily - being legally compelled to both minimise data retention and also retaining all data for 10+ years depending which law I'm paying attention to that day.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,924

    Do we have any Lancashire CC fans old enough to remember bowler Bob Ratcliffe from the late 70s?

    Which is getting to be a long time ago

    It is little I repair to the matches of the Southron folk,
    Though my own red roses there may blow;
    It is little I repair to the matches of the Southron folk,
    Though the red roses crest the caps, I know.
    For the field is full of shades as I near the shadowy coast,
    And a ghostly batsman plays to the bowling of a ghost,
    And I look through my tears on a soundless-clapping host
    As the run stealers flicker to and fro,
    To and fro:–
    O my Hornby and my Barlow long ago!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,148

    I think that PB might be my online spiritual home largely because of its love for cricket, and especially Test matches

    I find cricket intensely boring. I always have. It seems a silly 'sport' to me.

    But others enjoy it, and will give up their spare time to play, both amateur and professional. So fair enough.
    I like almost all sports. About the only one I can't get into even with a great effort is wrestling.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    ohnotnow said:

    New online safety rules are here - but as tech races ahead, expect changes

    But the debate over whether the changes will have the right effect is already raging. In private, the government freely admits the new rules already need an update.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0mn7gmpplo

    Read as even more rules and regs.

    Some of the new rules and regs don't conflict with previous rules and regs. Which is a pleasant surprise.

    I still enjoy - almost daily - being legally compelled to both minimise data retention and also retaining all data for 10+ years depending which law I'm paying attention to that day.
    yet....it sounds like the government want to go...further and faster....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    Public support for strikes by resident doctors has collapsed, with barely one in four voters now backing their campaign of industrial action, according to the latest polling, which reveals the deepening unpopularity of further NHS strikes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/12/public-support-for-resident-doctors-strikes-collapses-ahead-of-fresh-industrial-action
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,051

    Opinium

    Starmer as unpopular as Johnson after party gate. !!!•

    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1944109756311810162?t=T0pQ2EJ0gtWYH-PIjhRVJQ&s=19

    That's quite startling, and could be seen as justified and utterly unjustified, according to viewpoint.
    They've also lost their lead on the economy. Wheels coming off a bit
    Notable the 'positives' for job approval are also now equal Starmer vs Kemi at 18. Farage out on 30, hence the VI lead!
    And we haven't even had the tax rises that will be announced in due course.
    Banging on about giving junior doctors 28.9% while they prepare to go on strike again and Reeves prepares to raise taxes to pay for it is the perfect storm for a Labour government.
    They need a bit more bitter infighting before it's truly a perfect storm. The current 'loud grumbling' isn't nearly good enough. Slacking all round.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160

    Public support for strikes by resident doctors has collapsed, with barely one in four voters now backing their campaign of industrial action, according to the latest polling, which reveals the deepening unpopularity of further NHS strikes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/12/public-support-for-resident-doctors-strikes-collapses-ahead-of-fresh-industrial-action

    I am not sure even most resident doctors are on board

    Maybe they need to be more proactive in getting moderate leaders elected
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,204
    Talking about farmers' reservoirs, in the southern Peak district you get little concrete 'saucers' in fields, six to ten feet in diameter. Designed to hold water for sheep, as otherwise the water just disappears into the limestone.

    (I have no idea why troughs don't do the same job easier).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180

    If anyone on here has been to Uzbekistan I am looking for some tips. Mainly are any of the Silk Road cities (or Tashkent) worth a third night, as I am looking to slow myself down a bit. And where in the Ferghana is worth visiting? Assume I will book a tour to Moynaq/Aral Sea. Tx!

    No, but you could buy one of Sevara’s CDs to get yourself in the mood
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,681
    edited July 12
    A domestic hosepipe ban is satisfyingly Ronseal in nature, though.

    Spent some time filling up the paddling pool this afternoon as youngest was aghast at the idea, 15 buckets of water later and probably to about half the depth I would have achieved with a hosepipe it was a case of stuff it, job done.

    Non domestically a trip to hand car wash awaits (aiui they can't house their yard, but they can hose cars) - nobody can look at my car and honestly say I haven't saved water this year.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,271
    "AN Wilson

    Reform voters simply want to smash things up

    Intelligent friends are turning to Nigel Farage in such despair with our politics, they are prepared to vote for a death cult" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/reform-voters-simply-want-to-smash-things-up-0c2q0qjcb
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,481

    Anyone following England v Argentina (just started) in the rugby?

    Yes - just got the boy to bed in time to miss the opening try…
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,720
    Do PBers know what today is the 37th anniversary of?

    The release of the non Christmas film that is Die Hard.

    Real Christmas films aren't released in the summer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,720
    Superman was fabulous.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,988

    Do PBers know what today is the 37th anniversary of?

    The release of the non Christmas film that is Die Hard.

    Real Christmas films aren't released in the summer.

    Die Hard is the best Christmas film ever made!

    https://blog.finaldraft.com/steven-e-de-souza-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie

    Die Hard is a Christmas movie, full stop.

    Steven E. de Souza, who penned the film’s script more than 30 years ago, is adamant about that. But days ago at his Comedy Central Roast, the film’s star, Bruce Willis, told a wide-eyed audience “Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.”

    In response to this controversial claim, de Souza has a plethora of evidence that proves the action star is, well, just plain wrong.

    “It was a comedy roast. I think he said that to be funny and be trolling,” de Souza said.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,988

    Superman was fabulous.

    Best Superman was Christopher Reeve (1978).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,030

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Never been, but it’s sort of on my list. Isn’t it magnificently scenic, especially those old monasteries in the mountains next to the sea?
    Yes the mountains, forests and beaches are very nice to look at, and the more popular hiking trails are good and well-maintained. Hiking is obviously a popular passtime there, though they charge foreigners a few euros for access to their national parks and parking is expensive.
    And you only get third party insurance if you drive there, and have to buy some sort of basic policy for cash at the border?
    I drove around inland Montenegro (it’s beautiful) and wrote about it for the Gazette. Zero hassle
    When are you going to visit those inbred hillbillies you're interested in ?
    Not going back to Cornwall till Christmas.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,481
    Fables are literally fabulous
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,481

    Superman was fabulous.

    Best Superman was Christopher Reeve (1978).
    And my mate shot him
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,603

    Superman was fabulous.

    Trump?

    Kneel before Trump
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495
    edited July 12

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    Looking at who is retweeting constantly, the loony tunes collective is a very odd disparate group these days.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,271

    If anyone on here has been to Uzbekistan I am looking for some tips. Mainly are any of the Silk Road cities (or Tashkent) worth a third night, as I am looking to slow myself down a bit. And where in the Ferghana is worth visiting? Assume I will book a tour to Moynaq/Aral Sea. Tx!

    Didn't Leon just visit that part of the world?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,481

    Superman was fabulous.

    Best Superman was Christopher Reeve (1978).
    And my mate shot him
    I'm friends with the mugger

    https://youtu.be/nprJvYKz3QQ
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,030

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    ?

    I think questioning of Live Aid (in that the Ethiopian Government is said to have used the funding to implement ethnic cleansing) is fairly mainstream now - has been for years in fact. I am sure Neil Oliver has said some far more loony things that would support your view better.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,648

    Anti-Semitism ‘normalised in middle-class Britain’

    Government-backed report says Jewish people suffering increased prejudice across society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/anti-semitism-normalised-britain-british-board-jews-israel/

    'Twas ever thus.

    I picked up a Penguin at random and reached page 15:



    Published in 1941 - a vintage year for antisemitism.

    Reprinted for mass circulation in 1954.


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769

    James Hogg
    @JamesAHogg2
    ·
    5h
    As Wimbledon is almost at an end I think it’s only right that I post the fabulous Not the Nine O’clock News lampoon of John McEnroe’s epic 1981 Wimbledon meltdown, which I believe every child in the world took great delight in repeating ad nauseam in the playground.

    https://x.com/JamesAHogg2/status/1944056498918695016
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,148

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    ?

    I think questioning of Live Aid (in that the Ethiopian Government is said to have used the funding to implement ethnic cleansing) is fairly mainstream now - has been for years in fact. I am sure Neil Oliver has said some far more loony things that would support your view better.
    L/A jars a bit now but that is a phoney comment from the phoney that is Neil Oliver.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239
    My favourite Live Aid clip. Madonna's backing dancers mics are explicitly not wired up...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    KRISTI NOEM now openly telling people to self deport. Go home. "We'll buy your ticket".

    Food inflation in US is going to be off the scale shortly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239

    KRISTI NOEM now openly telling people to self deport. Go home. "We'll buy your ticket".

    Food inflation in US is going to be off the scale shortly.

    Where are the stupid people supposed to go home to? Florida?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,030

    Anti-Semitism ‘normalised in middle-class Britain’

    Government-backed report says Jewish people suffering increased prejudice across society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/anti-semitism-normalised-britain-british-board-jews-israel/

    'Twas ever thus.

    I picked up a Penguin at random and reached page 15:



    Published in 1941 - a vintage year for antisemitism.

    Reprinted for mass circulation in 1954.


    I think it's debatable how antisemitic that passage is. The notion that Jewish people have characteristic features is not in and of itself a particularly antisemitic one. And that's really the only thing in it. That the character is ugly is not linked by the author to his jewishness - the opposite in fact.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,495

    KRISTI NOEM now openly telling people to self deport. Go home. "We'll buy your ticket".

    Food inflation in US is going to be off the scale shortly.

    I find it really weird in the US that for crawfish they have a visa scheme where you can get people from places like Mexico to come and do the backbreaking work of harvesting them. As Angela Rayner might say all above board, declared it. But for other agriculture they came up with a different approach called turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants doing all the work.

    Why not have a similar visa scheme.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,988

    KRISTI NOEM now openly telling people to self deport. Go home. "We'll buy your ticket".

    Food inflation in US is going to be off the scale shortly.

    The Terminator: "I cannot self-deport. You must help me."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Popcorn.

    Kash Patel tweeting that the Epstein conspiracy theories (which have been like catnip to MAGA) are all untrue and he supports Trump.

    This is the best weekend since the Fall of America in January.


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    8m
    A touch of panic there? And I’m not talking about Patel. I’m talking about Trump.

    But this attempt to shut down questions won’t work. There are too many legitimate questions about their handling of the Epstein files, and what they’ve seen there, to be dismissed in this way.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1944141122311532866
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239
    @atrupar.com‬

    a deranged Trump claims Obama and Hillary wrote the Epstein files and urges people to not care about them 🥴

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ltscdbwbtk2n
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239
    There are so many reasons Trump should not be President, but it would forever be galactically hilarious if the thing that eventually derails him is Epstein
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160
    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160
    Scott_xP said:

    There are so many reasons Trump should not be President, but it would forever be galactically hilarious if the thing that eventually derails him is Epstein

    To be honest I cannot see anything derailing him at present unfortunately
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,693

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,612
    Andy_JS said:

    "AN Wilson

    Reform voters simply want to smash things up

    Intelligent friends are turning to Nigel Farage in such despair with our politics, they are prepared to vote for a death cult" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/reform-voters-simply-want-to-smash-things-up-0c2q0qjcb

    Meh.. a commentator noted for off-beat, slightly right wing views expresses another off-beat, right wing view. Don't particularly feel like he or his ilk are truly in touch with the zeitgeist...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,178

    ydoethur said:

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Perm any 4 from 7

    Why are Harrison and Malcolm in there ahead of Barnes, Tyson and Statham?
    Barnes was not a quick. Ok, I'll add Tyson and Statham though!
    Barnes was probably the only bowler to be competition with Bumrah for best ever.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,239

    Scott_xP said:

    There are so many reasons Trump should not be President, but it would forever be galactically hilarious if the thing that eventually derails him is Epstein

    To be honest I cannot see anything derailing him at present unfortunately
    indeed, but he is stoking the Epstein fire
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    The main buyers are fleet sales and their second hand values are dreadful

    You cannot keep subsidies on products that are not popular
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,848

    Anti-Semitism ‘normalised in middle-class Britain’

    Government-backed report says Jewish people suffering increased prejudice across society

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/12/anti-semitism-normalised-britain-british-board-jews-israel/

    'Twas ever thus.

    I picked up a Penguin at random and reached page 15:



    Published in 1941 - a vintage year for antisemitism.

    Reprinted for mass circulation in 1954.


    I think it's debatable how antisemitic that passage is. The notion that Jewish people have characteristic features is not in and of itself a particularly antisemitic one. And that's really the only thing in it. That the character is ugly is not linked by the author to his jewishness - the opposite in fact.
    So you are saying that calling Jewish people bignoses isn't antisemitic? Pull the other one. That piece is as antisemitic as it comes. Ref. various Nazi propaganda posters.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,481
    England win again vs the Pumas. Cost me £14 quid (was on the draw) but a grea5 win with so many stars elsewhere.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,848
    Andy_JS said:

    If anyone on here has been to Uzbekistan I am looking for some tips. Mainly are any of the Silk Road cities (or Tashkent) worth a third night, as I am looking to slow myself down a bit. And where in the Ferghana is worth visiting? Assume I will book a tour to Moynaq/Aral Sea. Tx!

    Didn't Leon just visit that part of the world?
    I was hoping he is sober enough to reply
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,481
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    England need a proper pace attack

    R Willis
    H Larwood
    W Voce
    F Truman
    D Malcolm
    G Thomas
    S Harmison

    Perm any 4 from 7

    Why are Harrison and Malcolm in there ahead of Barnes, Tyson and Statham?
    Barnes was not a quick. Ok, I'll add Tyson and Statham though!
    Barnes was probably the only bowler to be competition with Bumrah for best ever.

    Malcolm Marshal would wave if he could.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160
    edited July 12
    Cicero said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "AN Wilson

    Reform voters simply want to smash things up

    Intelligent friends are turning to Nigel Farage in such despair with our politics, they are prepared to vote for a death cult" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/reform-voters-simply-want-to-smash-things-up-0c2q0qjcb

    Meh.. a commentator noted for off-beat, slightly right wing views expresses another off-beat, right wing view. Don't particularly feel like he or his ilk are truly in touch with the zeitgeist...
    You do know that Starmer is now as unpopular as Johnson according to Opinium

    There is real anger out there and I am not at all sure how it will be addressed

    Certainly the one in one out boats scheme is not the hit Starmer hoped for


    https://news.sky.com/story/fridays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,583

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    To be fair, the Ethiopian famine was largely as a result of the civil war in Ethiopia and the deliberate withholding of food by the government, as a weapon, was noted at the time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    a deranged Trump claims Obama and Hillary wrote the Epstein files and urges people to not care about them 🥴

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ltscdbwbtk2n

    If Obama wrote the Epstein files then they would be rather eloquent.

    So that's an easy test to undertake. Let's have a wee look at them eh Donny.

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