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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,693
    edited July 12

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    The main buyers are fleet sales and their second hand values are dreadful

    You cannot keep subsidies on products that are not popular
    The point is to drive the chicken and egg problem by subsiding early adopters so the infrastructure catches up. That is quite clearly working based on the number on the road and the investment in charging infrastructure.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    The main buyers are fleet sales and their second hand values are dreadful

    You cannot keep subsidies on products that are not popular
    The point is to drive the chicken and egg problem by subsiding early adaptors so the infrastructure catches up. That is quite clearly working based on the number on the road and the investment in charging infrastructure.
    The problem is few want to buy them at the prices asked and market depreciation
  • isamisam Posts: 42,162


    James Hogg
    @JamesAHogg2
    ·
    5h
    As Wimbledon is almost at an end I think it’s only right that I post the fabulous Not the Nine O’clock News lampoon of John McEnroe’s epic 1981 Wimbledon meltdown, which I believe every child in the world took great delight in repeating ad nauseam in the playground.

    https://x.com/JamesAHogg2/status/1944056498918695016

    “The juice was slurped”
  • isamisam Posts: 42,162
    edited July 12
    Scott_xP said:

    My favourite Live Aid clip. Madonna's backing dancers mics are explicitly not wired up...

    Madonna looked so good there. Never better imo

    David Bowie really couldn’t sing, Jesus Christ he murdered his own “Modern Love” ( second record I ever bought)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    To be fair, the Ethiopian famine was largely as a result of the civil war in Ethiopia and the deliberate withholding of food by the government, as a weapon, was noted at the time.
    Just give us the f*cking money.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
    Talking of "music", this made me chuckle a thread on big hits getting early live outings,

    The Killers first live performance of "Mr. Brightside" in 2002
    https://x.com/historigins/status/1944034468295324118
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769

    Sarah Longwell
    @SarahLongwell25
    ·
    1h
    I can’t believe they got to Kash too.

    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1944131289231372668
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
    edited July 12
    TSE would be proud,

    The competition was stiff. Some said I was nuts to bid. But I stayed firm and rose to the occasion in a long, hard auction*.
    https://x.com/ColeSouth/status/1944137995705364755

    * it is safe for work it is just the result of bidding on a domain name
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,988


    Sarah Longwell
    @SarahLongwell25
    ·
    1h
    I can’t believe they got to Kash too.

    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1944131289231372668

    K A S H
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    This anti-science populist bollocks is going to kill many many people.



    Shaun Lintern
    @ShaunLintern
    🚨 EXCLUSIVE: A child has died after contracting measles in Liverpool, where public health officials fear a growing outbreak of the disease.

    Full story:

    https://x.com/ShaunLintern/status/1944148188773929375
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,051

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    To be fair, the Ethiopian famine was largely as a result of the civil war in Ethiopia and the deliberate withholding of food by the government, as a weapon, was noted at the time.
    Just give us the f*cking money.

    You are Rachel Reeves, and I claim my five pounds.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,051
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    My favourite Live Aid clip. Madonna's backing dancers mics are explicitly not wired up...

    Madonna looked so good there. Never better imo

    David Bowie really couldn’t sing, Jesus Christ he murdered his own “Modern Love” ( second record I ever bought)
    I used to know a couple of Madonna's makeup-artist/stylists. It seemed like a well-paying, but not very enjoyable gig. And I do emphasise 'not very enjoyable'. A lot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
    ohnotnow said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    My favourite Live Aid clip. Madonna's backing dancers mics are explicitly not wired up...

    Madonna looked so good there. Never better imo

    David Bowie really couldn’t sing, Jesus Christ he murdered his own “Modern Love” ( second record I ever bought)
    I used to know a couple of Madonna's makeup-artist/stylists. It seemed like a well-paying, but not very enjoyable gig. And I do emphasise 'not very enjoyable'. A lot.
    Shocked I tell you, absolutely shocked.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,271

    This anti-science populist bollocks is going to kill many many people.



    Shaun Lintern
    @ShaunLintern
    🚨 EXCLUSIVE: A child has died after contracting measles in Liverpool, where public health officials fear a growing outbreak of the disease.

    Full story:

    https://x.com/ShaunLintern/status/1944148188773929375

    This has been going on for a long time, since before Trump, etc. Rates have been falling since the 1990s I believe.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,271
    Scott_xP said:

    My favourite Live Aid clip. Madonna's backing dancers mics are explicitly not wired up...

    I can remember watching Live Aid as a 6 year old.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,177
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    My favourite Live Aid clip. Madonna's backing dancers mics are explicitly not wired up...

    Madonna looked so good there. Never better imo
    Controversially I think she was a better singer before she had training for Evita.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jC9SWuKHpc
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,236
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 335

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    The main buyers are fleet sales and their second hand values are dreadful

    You cannot keep subsidies on products that are not popular
    Are you sure they ain’t popular? EV drivers rarely revert.

    There’s lots going on .

    ¿Depreciation because the tech keeps getting better might be a factor.

    I know I keep shifting my expectation and I’m always waiting for the next battery innovation. BYD Seal is my next test drive.

    Tipping points. Energy dependence. Tax exemption. New wind farms coming online. The drive to decarbonise. Vehicle batteries becoming part of the energy storage solution.

    It’s an interesting time.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    I may have zoned out by the US end of things on LiveAid forty years ago or just simply forgotten, but I don't remember Crosby, Stills, Nash playing.

    Not one of their great performances to be honest.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,160

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    The main buyers are fleet sales and their second hand values are dreadful

    You cannot keep subsidies on products that are not popular
    Are you sure they ain’t popular? EV drivers rarely revert.

    There’s lots going on .

    ¿Depreciation because the tech keeps getting better might be a factor.

    I know I keep shifting my expectation and I’m always waiting for the next battery innovation. BYD Seal is my next test drive.

    Tipping points. Energy dependence. Tax exemption. New wind farms coming online. The drive to decarbonise. Vehicle batteries becoming part of the energy storage solution.

    It’s an interesting time.

    I agree, but to be honest it seems a long way off if you just look at the number of petrol and diesel cars on the road

    No one I know is the least bit interested in an ev

    When my mercedes went in for service I was provided with an ev courtesy car and it was lovely. but I understand it was over-£60,000 to buy new
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,051

    I may have zoned out by the US end of things on LiveAid forty years ago or just simply forgotten, but I don't remember Crosby, Stills, Nash playing.

    Not one of their great performances to be honest.

    All I remember of Live Aid was : Freddy Mercury, a bit of Eurythmics, that bloke from 'Vienna', Phil Collins flying to New York or something, for reasons?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,236
    ohnotnow said:

    I may have zoned out by the US end of things on LiveAid forty years ago or just simply forgotten, but I don't remember Crosby, Stills, Nash playing.

    Not one of their great performances to be honest.

    All I remember of Live Aid was : Freddy Mercury, a bit of Eurythmics, that bloke from 'Vienna', Phil Collins flying to New York or something, for reasons?
    He just landed (40 years ago)
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,410
    edited July 12

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    Just because other countries do it doesn't make it a good idea.

    We are subsidising people to buy new cars, rather than sweat assets and run old cars into the ground. Dumb idea, destroys value. Never, ever subsidise people to throw away usable equipment in favour of new, it's just burning cash. We should be expecting 20-25 years/500k miles life from a car, rather than the current 10-15 years/100-150k. Forcing manufacturers to build to this standard would be far more worthwhile than EV mandates - 10% increase in manufacturing cost could approximately double vehicle lifespans.

    In case this idea isn't dumb enough, we're subsidising a version of motoring that is cheaper per mile almost entirely because of tax arbitrage - so we are subsidising people to erode the tax base.

    We're also subsidising the Chinese car industry to destroy the European car industry, which seems pretty dumb.

    And finally we're subsidising the well off who could probably afford an EV anyway, so that driving is even cheaper for them, rather than helping the poor (who are driving round in petrol powered bangers, and largely will be for the next 25-30 years).

    If we subsidised anything other than a green shiboleth, like we subsidise EVs, the left would go mad with rage...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    ohnotnow said:

    I may have zoned out by the US end of things on LiveAid forty years ago or just simply forgotten, but I don't remember Crosby, Stills, Nash playing.

    Not one of their great performances to be honest.

    All I remember of Live Aid was : Freddy Mercury, a bit of Eurythmics, that bloke from 'Vienna', Phil Collins flying to New York or something, for reasons?
    One of my main memories is that my mate from university's sister had a ticket. It was like... how? How has she snaffled that? Grrr...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
    theProle said:

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    Just because other countries do it doesn't make it a good idea.

    We are subsidising people to buy new cars, rather than sweat assets and run old cars into the ground. Dumb idea, destroys value. Never, ever subsidise people to throw away usable equipment in favour of new, it's just burning cash. We should be expecting 20-25 years/500k miles life from a car, rather than the current 10-15 years/100-150k. Forcing manufacturers to build to this standard would be far more worthwhile than EV mandates - 10% increase in manufacturing cost could approximately double vehicle lifespans.

    In case this idea isn't dumb enough, we're subsidising a version of motoring that is cheaper per mile almost entirely because of tax arbitrage - so we are subsidising people to erode the tax base.

    We're also subsidising the Chinese car industry to destroy the European car industry, which seems pretty dumb.

    And finally we're subsidising the well off who could probably afford an EV anyway, so that driving is even cheaper for them, rather than helping the poor (who are driving round in petrol powered bangers, and largely will be for the next 25-30 years).

    If we subsidised anything other than a green shiboleth, like we subsidise EVs, the left would go mad with rage...
    Chinese EVs should definitely be excluded from any subsidiary scheme.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Scott_xP said:

    ohnotnow said:

    I may have zoned out by the US end of things on LiveAid forty years ago or just simply forgotten, but I don't remember Crosby, Stills, Nash playing.

    Not one of their great performances to be honest.

    All I remember of Live Aid was : Freddy Mercury, a bit of Eurythmics, that bloke from 'Vienna', Phil Collins flying to New York or something, for reasons?
    He just landed (40 years ago)
    And they say Concord was a pointless white elephant.
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 335
    edited July 12
    theProle said:

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    Just because other countries do it doesn't make it a good idea.

    We are subsidising people to buy new cars, rather than sweat assets and run old cars into the ground. Dumb idea, destroys value. Never, ever subsidise people to throw away usable equipment in favour of new, it's just burning cash. We should be expecting 20-25 years/500k miles life from a car, rather than the current 10-15 years/100-150k. Forcing manufacturers to build to this standard would be far more worthwhile than EV mandates - 10% increase in manufacturing cost could approximately double vehicle lifespans.

    In case this idea isn't dumb enough, we're subsidising a version of motoring that is cheaper per mile almost entirely because of tax arbitrage - so we are subsidising people to erode the tax base.

    We're also subsidising the Chinese car industry to destroy the European car industry, which seems pretty dumb.

    And finally we're subsidising the well off who could probably afford an EV anyway, so that driving is even cheaper for them, rather than helping the poor (who are driving round in petrol powered bangers, and largely will be for the next 25-30 years).

    If we subsidised anything other than a green shiboleth, like we subsidise EVs, the left would go mad with rage...
    Dunno about that. I’m green and left and I’ve never previously mentioned fossil fuel subsidies. Ever. To anyone.

    The first number out of Wikipedia on fossil fuel subsidy was $7 trillion per year. AKA 7.1% of global GDP.

    Which is what?
    Quite a lot!

    Making up the views of the people I presume you disagree with does you no credit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Scott_xP said:
    Aren't half the media already blocked from the WH briefings because they write that the election wasn't stolen in 2020 and ask questions about policy?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Andy_JS said:

    This anti-science populist bollocks is going to kill many many people.



    Shaun Lintern
    @ShaunLintern
    🚨 EXCLUSIVE: A child has died after contracting measles in Liverpool, where public health officials fear a growing outbreak of the disease.

    Full story:

    https://x.com/ShaunLintern/status/1944148188773929375

    This has been going on for a long time, since before Trump, etc. Rates have been falling since the 1990s I believe.
    Yeh, but boy is it going to step up a gear when RFK's report comes out later this year that needles cause autism.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,162
    Neil Young wrote some lovely songs, but I really can’t have I his voice. . I heard ‘Harvest Moon’ for the first time this week, but had to find a cover of it (Brothers Comatose). Same goes with ‘Only Love Can Break Your Heart’ , which I knew as a St Etienne song

    Young sounds like Jordan Peterson!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,103
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    a deranged Trump claims Obama and Hillary wrote the Epstein files and urges people to not care about them 🥴

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ltscdbwbtk2n

    Ah, so there are some Epstein files after all...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    No way Maxwell is getting a pardon now.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769

    David Frum
    @davidfrum
    ·
    17m
    As Scooby Doo taught millions of TV watchers: if the deceased villain's best friend tells you there's nothing worth seeing inside the locked closet ... there's probably something worth seeing inside the locked closet.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,693

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    The main buyers are fleet sales and their second hand values are dreadful

    You cannot keep subsidies on products that are not popular
    Are you sure they ain’t popular? EV drivers rarely revert.

    There’s lots going on .

    ¿Depreciation because the tech keeps getting better might be a factor.

    I know I keep shifting my expectation and I’m always waiting for the next battery innovation. BYD Seal is my next test drive.

    Tipping points. Energy dependence. Tax exemption. New wind farms coming online. The drive to decarbonise. Vehicle batteries becoming part of the energy storage solution.

    It’s an interesting time.

    I agree, but to be honest it seems a long way off if you just look at the number of petrol and diesel cars on the road

    No one I know is the least bit interested in an ev

    When my mercedes went in for service I was provided with an ev courtesy car and it was lovely. but I understand it was over-£60,000 to buy new
    How much do you think a Mercedes is these days?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,399
    Media outlets being told by the FBI to "back off" the Epstein story? That will work. /sarc

    I can't decide whether someone in the FBI is intentionally sabotaging Trump, or there is someone that incompetent working for him.

    (Hanlon's razor suggests the latter.)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    isam said:

    Neil Young wrote some lovely songs, but I really can’t have I his voice. . I heard ‘Harvest Moon’ for the first time this week, but had to find a cover of it (Brothers Comatose). Same goes with ‘Only Love Can Break Your Heart’ , which I knew as a St Etienne song

    Young sounds like Jordan Peterson!

    Definite ban hammer material.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,769
    Definitely Trump's worst week in office this term.

    Presumably there will be massive squirrel drop on Monday to divert us all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493

    Definitely Trump's worst week in office this term.

    Presumably there will be massive squirrel drop on Monday to divert us all.

    Buckle up Canada, the US military are coming to claim the 51st state.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,236
    Duran Duran

    Might be time for bed

    ...but, I recently discovered an all female cover tribute band called Joanne Joanne

    Watching them made me realise that although Nick Rhodes uses 88 key keyboards onstage, he only ever plays about 12 of them
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,689
    theProle said:

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    Just because other countries do it doesn't make it a good idea.

    We are subsidising people to buy new cars, rather than sweat assets and run old cars into the ground. Dumb idea, destroys value. Never, ever subsidise people to throw away usable equipment in favour of new, it's just burning cash. We should be expecting 20-25 years/500k miles life from a car, rather than the current 10-15 years/100-150k. Forcing manufacturers to build to this standard would be far more worthwhile than EV mandates - 10% increase in manufacturing cost could approximately double vehicle lifespans.

    In case this idea isn't dumb enough, we're subsidising a version of motoring that is cheaper per mile almost entirely because of tax arbitrage - so we are subsidising people to erode the tax base.

    We're also subsidising the Chinese car industry to destroy the European car industry, which seems pretty dumb.

    And finally we're subsidising the well off who could probably afford an EV anyway, so that driving is even cheaper for them, rather than helping the poor (who are driving round in petrol powered bangers, and largely will be for the next 25-30 years).

    If we subsidised anything other than a green shiboleth, like we subsidise EVs, the left would go mad with rage...
    This is *mostly* true: but old, old cars often become prohibitively expensive to service, and over time fuel economy only gets worse. My son's best friend's parents got him a 15 year old Mercedes A Class, on the basis that it would be sturdy and cheap to run, but have been staggered by how much its efficency has diminished. When new it probably got low 30s (petrol), now they're getting less than 20. On a not very big or exciting car.

    Now that car is probably only going to be driven 3-5,000 miles a year, so it's shitty fuel consumption is not a big deal. But at some point, it's going to be for the knacker's yard, particularly if petrol prices rise.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,159

    isam said:

    Neil Young wrote some lovely songs, but I really can’t have I his voice. . I heard ‘Harvest Moon’ for the first time this week, but had to find a cover of it (Brothers Comatose). Same goes with ‘Only Love Can Break Your Heart’ , which I knew as a St Etienne song

    Young sounds like Jordan Peterson!

    Definite ban hammer material.

    Well, I like the Miami Vice theme...
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 167
    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    Just because other countries do it doesn't make it a good idea.

    We are subsidising people to buy new cars, rather than sweat assets and run old cars into the ground. Dumb idea, destroys value. Never, ever subsidise people to throw away usable equipment in favour of new, it's just burning cash. We should be expecting 20-25 years/500k miles life from a car, rather than the current 10-15 years/100-150k. Forcing manufacturers to build to this standard would be far more worthwhile than EV mandates - 10% increase in manufacturing cost could approximately double vehicle lifespans.

    In case this idea isn't dumb enough, we're subsidising a version of motoring that is cheaper per mile almost entirely because of tax arbitrage - so we are subsidising people to erode the tax base.

    We're also subsidising the Chinese car industry to destroy the European car industry, which seems pretty dumb.

    And finally we're subsidising the well off who could probably afford an EV anyway, so that driving is even cheaper for them, rather than helping the poor (who are driving round in petrol powered bangers, and largely will be for the next 25-30 years).

    If we subsidised anything other than a green shiboleth, like we subsidise EVs, the left would go mad with rage...
    This is *mostly* true: but old, old cars often become prohibitively expensive to service, and over time fuel economy only gets worse. My son's best friend's parents got him a 15 year old Mercedes A Class, on the basis that it would be sturdy and cheap to run, but have been staggered by how much its efficency has diminished. When new it probably got low 30s (petrol), now they're getting less than 20. On a not very big or exciting car.

    Now that car is probably only going to be driven 3-5,000 miles a year, so it's shitty fuel consumption is not a big deal. But at some point, it's going to be for the knacker's yard, particularly if petrol prices rise.

    Ah, the A Class. The car of the most successful secretaries...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,689

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    ?

    I think questioning of Live Aid (in that the Ethiopian Government is said to have used the funding to implement ethnic cleansing) is fairly mainstream now - has been for years in fact. I am sure Neil Oliver has said some far more loony things that would support your view better.
    Is ethnic cleansing good or bad these days? It's hard to keep up with changing fashion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,271

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    I wouldn't describe this as a loony point of view.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,159
    Andy_JS said:

    Looney tunes latest:


    Neil Oliver
    @thecoastguy
    ·
    56m
    Watching 40th anniversary of Live Aid. Skin crawling with mortification about having wholeheartedly swallowed the nonsense then. All that money from trusting people sent to murderous regime. Plus ca change.

    https://x.com/thecoastguy/status/1944117701137621115

    I wouldn't describe this as a loony point of view.
    The question is not whether it is loony, it's whether it was true

    Another, more salient question is "how many lives did the money save"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
    edited 1:07AM
    LiveAid gave up the likes of the iconic Freddie Mercury performance, this year Glastonbury ended up being overshadowed by a bloke going on an antisemitic rant about the bloke who organised LiveAid. How times have changed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
    Mandy really is something else.

    Speaking to the Sunday Times, he added that the US president, Donald Trump, should expect a “warm reception” when he comes to the UK for a second state visit.

    “He should expect a warm reception because he really does love Britain. He hugely admires it,” Mandelson said.

    “He trusts Keir Starmer. It’s not a question of expressing our gratitude. My lodestar here is to demonstrate respect, not sycophancy. I don’t think the administration has any problem with that.”
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,159

    LiveAid gave up the likes of the iconic Freddie Mercury performance, this year Glastonbury ended up being overshadowed by a bloke going on an antisemitic rant about the bloke who organised LiveAid. How times have changed.

    Yes. But which one had Gary Numan? I rest my case. 😎
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 91
    Andy_JS said:

    Turns out, aligning LLMs to be "helpful" via human feedback actually teaches them to bullshit—and Chain-of-Thought reasoning just makes it worse!

    Machine Bullshit: Characterizing the Emergent Disregard for Truth in Large Language Models
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.07484

    I still recall my surprise when I first used Chat GPT and asked which candidate won DC at the 1988 US election, and was told the answer was George HW Bush, the Republican candidate.
    Dukakis winning West Virginia by 31k votes is the standard out result in 1988 for me
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 91
    algarkirk said:

    sarissa said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 miles is the approximate length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    One of my favourite long bike rides was a coast-to-coast-to-coast across northern Scotland. Fortunately, the wind backed through 180 degrees in the twelve hours otherwise I’d have been stranded a long way from my bd for the night.
    The Southern Upland Way is a coast to coast, and 214 miles. Remarkably few people complete it, through some of the most unknown territory of the UK.
    Indeed, many people do it in sections but few complete the whole thing in one go, only around 1000 per year. Contrast with the west highland way (96 miles) which has around 35k people completing the full route every year. Very contrasting routes, WHW being much more famous across the globe
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,391

    Mandy really is something else.

    Speaking to the Sunday Times, he added that the US president, Donald Trump, should expect a “warm reception” when he comes to the UK for a second state visit.

    “He should expect a warm reception because he really does love Britain. He hugely admires it,” Mandelson said.

    “He trusts Keir Starmer. It’s not a question of expressing our gratitude. My lodestar here is to demonstrate respect, not sycophancy. I don’t think the administration has any problem with that.”

    The only way he'll get a warm reception is if he arrives around the time of the Lewes bonfires...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,622
    Labour changes mayoral vote system after Reform victories

    Angela Rayner to ditch first-past-the-post ballots in favour of European-style ‘supplementary vote’ with candidates ranked by preference

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/12/mayoral-elections-supplementary-vote-system-sadiq-khan/ (£££)

    This is the voting system previously used in London Mayoral elections. One irony is that Reform favoured proportional voting but its current poll leads mean it does better under FPTP.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,622

    Mandy really is something else.

    Speaking to the Sunday Times, he added that the US president, Donald Trump, should expect a “warm reception” when he comes to the UK for a second state visit.

    “He should expect a warm reception because he really does love Britain. He hugely admires it,” Mandelson said.

    “He trusts Keir Starmer. It’s not a question of expressing our gratitude. My lodestar here is to demonstrate respect, not sycophancy. I don’t think the administration has any problem with that.”

    The only way he'll get a warm reception is if he arrives around the time of the Lewes bonfires...
    Yes, it is not difficult to think of ways Trump's visits could backfire on him and us.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493

    Labour changes mayoral vote system after Reform victories

    Angela Rayner to ditch first-past-the-post ballots in favour of European-style ‘supplementary vote’ with candidates ranked by preference

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/12/mayoral-elections-supplementary-vote-system-sadiq-khan/ (£££)

    This is the voting system previously used in London Mayoral elections. One irony is that Reform favoured proportional voting but its current poll leads mean it does better under FPTP.

    Voters have a funny way of being presented with different systems and working out how to engineer (rarely on an individual level, but as wisdom of crowds) still get their desired outcome.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,622
    Give struggling 16-year-olds state-paid jobs, says key adviser
    Starmer’s workforce tsar says his idea could stop a ‘ticking time bomb’ and spare millions from living on benefits

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-urged-to-offer-state-paid-jobs-to-struggling-16-year-olds-0d0dqp7ws (£££)
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,735
    On the EV thing I was in Shanghai and it was so weird, you're in the centre of the city and you've got the middle-income-country traffic with loads of cars and little scooters zooming in and out all over the place but it's... totally silent. The future sounds like nothing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,493
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    Give struggling 16-year-olds state-paid jobs, says key adviser
    Starmer’s workforce tsar says his idea could stop a ‘ticking time bomb’ and spare millions from living on benefits

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-urged-to-offer-state-paid-jobs-to-struggling-16-year-olds-0d0dqp7ws (£££)

    The idea is a throwback to the Youth Training Scheme, which was introduced by Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1983 to tackle soaring youth unemployment by offering school leavers aged 16 and 17 on-the-job training and a nominal wage. By 1988 there were more than 500,000 contracted placements on the scheme. It was replaced by Youth Training in 1989, which ran until the mid-1990s.

    Gregg said his wages proposal would be possible if the Office for Budget Responsibility took into account potential future savings when estimating the fiscal impact of the policy. He claims that the alternative is that it ends up in a “really bizarre situation, which is that we can’t fund sensible reform to save money”.

    Well if Thatcher did it, its dead on arrival for Labour MPs to back it....
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,110
    If you are going to the US soon, do not have this pic on your phone.


  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,110
    theProle said:

    The government is to provide another 640 million in subsidies for evs as they are not selling

    Why are we subsidising expensive evs most ordinary workers cannot afford ?

    A lot of countries subsidise EVs. And in any event you see a lot of them these days, even in the North. Not just rich people.
    Just because other countries do it doesn't make it a good idea.

    We are subsidising people to buy new cars, rather than sweat assets and run old cars into the ground. Dumb idea, destroys value. Never, ever subsidise people to throw away usable equipment in favour of new, it's just burning cash. We should be expecting 20-25 years/500k miles life from a car, rather than the current 10-15 years/100-150k. Forcing manufacturers to build to this standard would be far more worthwhile than EV mandates - 10% increase in manufacturing cost could approximately double vehicle lifespans.

    In case this idea isn't dumb enough, we're subsidising a version of motoring that is cheaper per mile almost entirely because of tax arbitrage - so we are subsidising people to erode the tax base.

    We're also subsidising the Chinese car industry to destroy the European car industry, which seems pretty dumb.

    And finally we're subsidising the well off who could probably afford an EV anyway, so that driving is even cheaper for them, rather than helping the poor (who are driving round in petrol powered bangers, and largely will be for the next 25-30 years).

    If we subsidised anything other than a green shiboleth, like we subsidise EVs, the left would go mad with rage...
    Someone said (a Canadian economist?) that EV's were to save the car industry and not the planet.

    And the UK government hoses subsidies far and wide - almost to the levels that would make Musk mad.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,622

    Give struggling 16-year-olds state-paid jobs, says key adviser
    Starmer’s workforce tsar says his idea could stop a ‘ticking time bomb’ and spare millions from living on benefits

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-urged-to-offer-state-paid-jobs-to-struggling-16-year-olds-0d0dqp7ws (£££)

    The idea is a throwback to the Youth Training Scheme, which was introduced by Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1983 to tackle soaring youth unemployment by offering school leavers aged 16 and 17 on-the-job training and a nominal wage. By 1988 there were more than 500,000 contracted placements on the scheme. It was replaced by Youth Training in 1989, which ran until the mid-1990s.

    Gregg said his wages proposal would be possible if the Office for Budget Responsibility took into account potential future savings when estimating the fiscal impact of the policy. He claims that the alternative is that it ends up in a “really bizarre situation, which is that we can’t fund sensible reform to save money”.

    Well if Thatcher did it, its dead on arrival for Labour MPs to back it....
    Big Ange wants to build a squillion new homes but we lack builders. Brexit has screwed up our usual solution of importing electricians, plasterers and plumbers from Europe. Starmer's worried about NEETS. Why not have the state underwrite apprenticeships?

    This is what is wrong with Britain. It is favouring slogans over policies. It's not NIMBYs and it's not the blob, it's the lack of joined-up thinking anywhere in Westminster or Whitehall.
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