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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    He's a sociopath

    @atrupar.com‬

    REPORTER: Families are upset because warnings didn't go out in time. What do you say to those families?

    TRUMP: Well I think everyone did an incredible job under the circumstances. Only a bad person would ask a question like that. Only an evil person would ask a question like that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,752
    Popcorn time.



    Julie Kelly 🇺🇸
    @julie_kelly2
    There is no question that the base is behind Bongino.

    Julie Kelly 🇺🇸
    @julie_kelly2
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    2h
    Very tough call for White House right now. I don’t see any way Bondi survives this long term, the base won’t tolerate it.

    https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1943724569333788760
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,102
    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    ..."The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cutoff.
    "In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."..


    Not something I could explain.
    Anyone ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,752
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Metadata Shows the FBI’s ‘Raw’ Jeffrey Epstein Prison Video Was Likely Modified

    There is no evidence the footage was deceptively manipulated, but ambiguities around how the video was processed may further fuel conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death.

    https://www.wired.com/story/metadata-shows-the-dojs-raw-jeffrey-epstein-prison-video-was-likely-modified/

    Don't know about you, but I'm beginning to sense something a bit "off" with the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. Can't quite put my finger on it, but hmm
    Wow who would have thought that electing a rapist would have complicated the release of the Epstein Files?
    https://x.com/AOC/status/1943736675877658637

    Bongino may resign over the issue.
    Big whoop
    All is not happy in MAGA land today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,582
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    It's a stupid proposal by Leveson.

    For the reasons set out here the last time something similar was suggested - https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/

    Reading the report again, it's a discussion outwith the formal scope of the review.
    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/review-of-efficiency-in-criminal-proceedings-20151.pdf

    He's not recommending that juries be dispensed with; rather that the issue of judge led trials be revisited (though he's clearly quite keen on the idea).
    I think he's reasonably fair in setting out the arguments on both sides, and would be interested if that is, or isn't how you see it.
    (Edit ... if you have the time; it's quite a long read.)

    What do you make of his formal recommendations on changes to the appeals procedure from magistrates courts ?
    I don't have the time this evening.

    Judges and politicians are always desperate to get rid of juries and they always try to find ways of justifying this. These attempts have been going on my entire professional life and I view them as yet another example of the rulers displaying their disregard for and contempt for ordinary people and the role they ought to play in a well ordered society. See the last paragraph of my header the other day.

    The fundamental problem with our criminal justice system is its persistent under-funding over decades, an absolute failure by the state to take seriously one of its core duties.

    Also while I have worked professionally with Leveson and he is a nice thoughtful man, he has a tendency to come up with complicated proposals which seem to me to cause at least as many problems as they solve. See his suggestions on newspapers. He is a bit too pro-establishment de haut en bas for my tastes, which is probably why he is the go-to judge for such matters.

    Anyway will revert in more detail another time. Am a bit overwhelmed at the moment.
    Last thing I want to do is to add to your workload.
    It's just that some of his (long) list of recommendations seem quite sensible.

    Apart from anything else, the current system, when it (sometimes) takes five years to settle a case, isn't providing justice.

    A winnowing of his ideas, to sort the wheat from the chaff, might be a valuable undertaking.
    The “get rid of juries” and “get rid of magistrates” are hardy annuals. They keep showing up, despite intensive weeding.

    The suspicion is that since the juries would be replaced by multiple judges and the magistrates by more judges, it’s about creating jobs for lawyers.
    Have you actually read the report ?
    The bit about removing juries makes no sense. It’s just stuck in there with all the recommendations.

    The last time this was bought up, someone pointed out that the Diplock courts sat longer for equivalent cases.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,176
    TimS said:

    So yes, a/c is increasingly important, but let’s not forget why it’s increasingly important.

    To the extent that global warming is man made, it’s primarily a function of global development.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,102
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    Frankly even a demented Biden would have been a step up from the shitshow since January.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    If it had been left to you, they would have run him. You were one of the worst for "it's just a stammer"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    Frankly even a demented Biden would have been a step up from the shitshow since January.
    Well, there's that.
    There's also the point that Biden's candidacy was nixed by the Democrats after the debate.

    Which is perhaps how the system is supposed to work, messily or otherwise ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    edited July 11
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    If it had been left to you, they would have run him. You were one of the worst for "it's just a stammer"
    Wrong as usual.

    Check out my comment immediately after the debate.
    If you can actually be bothered.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Metadata Shows the FBI’s ‘Raw’ Jeffrey Epstein Prison Video Was Likely Modified

    There is no evidence the footage was deceptively manipulated, but ambiguities around how the video was processed may further fuel conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death.

    https://www.wired.com/story/metadata-shows-the-dojs-raw-jeffrey-epstein-prison-video-was-likely-modified/

    Don't know about you, but I'm beginning to sense something a bit "off" with the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. Can't quite put my finger on it, but hmm
    Wow who would have thought that electing a rapist would have complicated the release of the Epstein Files?
    https://x.com/AOC/status/1943736675877658637

    Bongino may resign over the issue.
    Big whoop
    All is not happy in MAGA land today.
    Indeed, but losing some rando in the FBI is not going to derail the project
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,617
    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224

    Do we know how far into her one and a half million homes target Ange has made it in the first year?

    Is the legislation through yet? I'm not sure which bill it is.

    IMO any increase will have been through ministerial interventions (eg calling in and approving), updating housing targets (which seems to be happening), or things done by Rishi working through.

    OTOH it's a five year target, and the election will be after 4-4.5 years, so it will be determined on direction of travel and rhetoric.

    IMO they need to do significantly better than the last term, but I have seen claims for how many houses the Johnson-Sunak-Truss triplet built varying by about 20% depending on measure eg starts vs completions.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,298
    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    ..."The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cutoff.
    "In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."..


    Not something I could explain.
    Anyone ?
    Sounds like pilot error, flipped the wrong switch and didn't realise then tried to rectify but it was too late. Quite depressing really.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,870
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    And you think that makes it all okay do you ???

    The nominated a senile octogenarian as candidate while lying about his unfitness for office but its all okay because the senile octogenarian exposed his senility during a presidential debate and so had to be replaced (after another month of lies told to defend him).

    Its quite bizarre the lengths some try to go to because they want to make excuses for the Dems.

    Look I can understand you hating Trump - a malignant, pig ignorant narcissist who's doing all sorts of damage - but this making excuses for the Dems is going to be counter-productive as it stops them from learning from the mistakes which caused their downfall.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,256
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    If it had been left to you, they would have run him. You were one of the worst for "it's just a stammer"
    Wrong as usual.

    Check out my comment immediately after the debate.
    If you can actually be bothered.
    Biden with late stage dementia would still be a considerably better President than Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720
    edited July 11
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    If it had been left to you, they would have run him. You were one of the worst for "it's just a stammer"
    Wrong as usual.

    Check out my comment immediately after the debate.
    If you can actually be bothered.
    Not the frigging debate you moron, that's when it became obvious even to morons, like you - and when it was far too late

    For TWO YEARS before this I was warning "uh-oh Biden is ga-ga and this is a disaster" and THAT is when you kept denying it - "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    You are generally an amiable old cove, and quite observant, but you got this one very wrong
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,478
    MattW said:

    Do we know how far into her one and a half million homes target Ange has made it in the first year?

    Is the legislation through yet? I'm not sure which bill it is.

    IMO any increase will have been through ministerial interventions (eg calling in and approving), updating housing targets (which seems to be happening), or things done by Rishi working through.

    OTOH it's a five year target, and the election will be after 4-4.5 years, so it will be determined on direction of travel and rhetoric.

    IMO they need to do significantly better than the last term, but I have seen claims for how many houses the Johnson-Sunak-Truss triplet built varying by about 20% depending on measure eg starts vs completions.
    Is Ange going for 1.5m in the five years after the bill is passed, or 1.5m this parliament like she's always said?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,076
    edited July 11
    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    What Raynor Winn/Sally Walker appears to be saying is that her husband has an atypical form of CBD or something similar to CBD but not actually CBD. This is plausible and would fit with him being authentically ill but with a(n errorneous) diagnosis of CBD, and with a progression not matching typical CBD.

    However, clearly a degree of scepticism exists around anything she says now.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    ..."The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cutoff.
    "In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."..


    Not something I could explain.
    Anyone ?
    Sounds like pilot error, flipped the wrong switch and didn't realise then tried to rectify but it was too late. Quite depressing really.
    Except you are not supposed to be able to flip those switches by mistake
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,027
    edited July 11
    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    On the strength of the story I've read via Matt's link, it doesn't sound as though his illness was fake. None of the experts listed appears to have known him or had any insider knowledge about his physiology. It's not exactly hard to find a rentagob to cast doubts on things from an armchair.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    edited July 11
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    If it had been left to you, they would have run him. You were one of the worst for "it's just a stammer"
    Wrong as usual.

    Check out my comment immediately after the debate.
    If you can actually be bothered.
    Not the frigging debate you moron, that's when it became obvious even to morons, like you - and when it was far too late

    For TWO YEARS before this I was warning "uh-oh Biden is ga-ga and this is a disaster" and THAT is when you kept denying it - "no he likes falling over and dribbling"
    "If it had been left to you, they would have run him"
    Wrong.

    Nice try bullshitting your way out of that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,617
    edited July 11

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    What Raynor Winn/Sally Walker appears to be saying is that her husband has an atypical form of CBD or something similar to CBD but not actually CBD. This is plausible and would fit with him being authentically ill, but with a progression not matching typical CBD.

    However, clearly a degree of scepticism exists around anything she says now.
    Luckily for them - absent a police investigation - those medical records are secret.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    And you think that makes it all okay do you ???

    The nominated a senile octogenarian as candidate while lying about his unfitness for office but its all okay because the senile octogenarian exposed his senility during a presidential debate and so had to be replaced (after another month of lies told to defend him).

    Its quite bizarre the lengths some try to go to because they want to make excuses for the Dems.

    Look I can understand you hating Trump - a malignant, pig ignorant narcissist who's doing all sorts of damage - but this making excuses for the Dems is going to be counter-productive as it stops them from learning from the mistakes which caused their downfall.
    Exactly right
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    edited July 11
    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    Off you fuck then...

    @yasharali.bsky.social‬

    The Daily Wire is reporting that FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino has made it clear: it’s either him or Attorney General Pam Bondi.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,880
    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,156
    Islamophobia/Anti-Muslim Hatred Definition Working Group - call for evidence

    https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=EGg0v32c3kOociSi7zmVqI6tIfR9NoRNi6VcrK9V665UQTdRVzRMM0I4UTA0R0ZCNzBJQ0s4TVNYMS4u
    https://xcancel.com/ClaireCoutinho/status/1942584106555986105#m

    "The UK Government’s independent working group on an Anti-Muslim Hatred/Islamophobia definition is seeking views from organisations and individuals on the Government adopting a definition of Anti-Mu..."
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,205
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
    Being sometimes lucid and sometimes not would be so out of character for dementia, wouldn't it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,147

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    And you think that makes it all okay do you ???

    The nominated a senile octogenarian as candidate while lying about his unfitness for office but its all okay because the senile octogenarian exposed his senility during a presidential debate and so had to be replaced (after another month of lies told to defend him).

    Its quite bizarre the lengths some try to go to because they want to make excuses for the Dems.

    Look I can understand you hating Trump - a malignant, pig ignorant narcissist who's doing all sorts of damage - but this making excuses for the Dems is going to be counter-productive as it stops them from learning from the mistakes which caused their downfall.
    I doubt they'll be choosing a mentally and physically frail old man as the candidate next time, Richard, but by all means send them a memo to get your advice on the record.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,924
    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    ..."The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cutoff.
    "In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."..


    Not something I could explain.
    Anyone ?
    Is it a melancholy example of Murphy's great principle? If a thing can go wrong it will.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,695
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    It's a stupid proposal by Leveson.

    For the reasons set out here the last time something similar was suggested - https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/

    Reading the report again, it's a discussion outwith the formal scope of the review.
    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/review-of-efficiency-in-criminal-proceedings-20151.pdf

    He's not recommending that juries be dispensed with; rather that the issue of judge led trials be revisited (though he's clearly quite keen on the idea).
    I think he's reasonably fair in setting out the arguments on both sides, and would be interested if that is, or isn't how you see it.
    (Edit ... if you have the time; it's quite a long read.)

    What do you make of his formal recommendations on changes to the appeals procedure from magistrates courts ?
    I don't have the time this evening.

    Judges and politicians are always desperate to get rid of juries and they always try to find ways of justifying this. These attempts have been going on my entire professional life and I view them as yet another example of the rulers displaying their disregard for and contempt for ordinary people and the role they ought to play in a well ordered society. See the last paragraph of my header the other day.

    The fundamental problem with our criminal justice system is its persistent under-funding over decades, an absolute failure by the state to take seriously one of its core duties.

    Also while I have worked professionally with Leveson and he is a nice thoughtful man, he has a tendency to come up with complicated proposals which seem to me to cause at least as many problems as they solve. See his suggestions on newspapers. He is a bit too pro-establishment de haut en bas for my tastes, which is probably why he is the go-to judge for such matters.

    Anyway will revert in more detail another time. Am a bit overwhelmed at the moment.
    Last thing I want to do is to add to your workload.
    It's just that some of his (long) list of recommendations seem quite sensible.

    Apart from anything else, the current system, when it (sometimes) takes five years to settle a case, isn't providing justice.

    A winnowing of his ideas, to sort the wheat from the chaff, might be a valuable undertaking.
    There will be no justice system worth the name if we won't pay for it. You can make as many sensible proposals as you like but if you won't invest then they won't work.

    The judge may be trying to improve the system - if I want to be generous.The civil servants and politicians won't be: they will want to spend as little as possible and get rid of the pesky ordinary people who won't do what they are told. They will take those that save money only, ignore the rest and render a broken system even more broken while demolishing our rights and limiting even further one of the few ways in which ordinary people play a crucial role in one of the most important state functions. They must be resisted at all costs.

    Invest properly in investigations - that means having a police force fit to do its job. Then in a justice system that takes those charged to court promptly and properly. Then in a prison system.

    Fat chance.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    It's a stupid proposal by Leveson.

    For the reasons set out here the last time something similar was suggested - https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/

    Reading the report again, it's a discussion outwith the formal scope of the review.
    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/review-of-efficiency-in-criminal-proceedings-20151.pdf

    He's not recommending that juries be dispensed with; rather that the issue of judge led trials be revisited (though he's clearly quite keen on the idea).
    I think he's reasonably fair in setting out the arguments on both sides, and would be interested if that is, or isn't how you see it.
    (Edit ... if you have the time; it's quite a long read.)

    What do you make of his formal recommendations on changes to the appeals procedure from magistrates courts ?
    I don't have the time this evening.

    Judges and politicians are always desperate to get rid of juries and they always try to find ways of justifying this. These attempts have been going on my entire professional life and I view them as yet another example of the rulers displaying their disregard for and contempt for ordinary people and the role they ought to play in a well ordered society. See the last paragraph of my header the other day.

    The fundamental problem with our criminal justice system is its persistent under-funding over decades, an absolute failure by the state to take seriously one of its core duties.

    Also while I have worked professionally with Leveson and he is a nice thoughtful man, he has a tendency to come up with complicated proposals which seem to me to cause at least as many problems as they solve. See his suggestions on newspapers. He is a bit too pro-establishment de haut en bas for my tastes, which is probably why he is the go-to judge for such matters.

    Anyway will revert in more detail another time. Am a bit overwhelmed at the moment.
    Last thing I want to do is to add to your workload.
    It's just that some of his (long) list of recommendations seem quite sensible.

    Apart from anything else, the current system, when it (sometimes) takes five years to settle a case, isn't providing justice.

    A winnowing of his ideas, to sort the wheat from the chaff, might be a valuable undertaking.
    There will be no justice system worth the name if we won't pay for it. You can make as many sensible proposals as you like but if you won't invest then they won't work.

    The judge may be trying to improve the system - if I want to be generous.The civil servants and politicians won't be: they will want to spend as little as possible and get rid of the pesky ordinary people who won't do what they are told. They will take those that save money only, ignore the rest and render a broken system even more broken while demolishing our rights and limiting even further one of the few ways in which ordinary people play a crucial role in one of the most important state functions. They must be resisted at all costs.

    Invest properly in investigations - that means having a police force fit to do its job. Then in a justice system that takes those charged to court promptly and properly. Then in a prison system.

    Fat chance.
    I strongly agree with that.
    A big part of why we are where we are is the cuts in funding, going all the way back to the coalition years.

    But that in itself isn't an argument against reforms to the system.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
    Being sometimes lucid and sometimes not would be so out of character for dementia, wouldn't it?
    Scientifically I have no firm idea, and I yield to relative experts like @foxy

    Anecdotally I've - sadly - seen quite a few people decline into dementia, not least my mother, her 2nd husband, my daughter's grandmother, and others

    None of them leapt from ga-ga weirdness to total funny lucidity like Trump (and back again), so my amateur guess is No, he does not have dementia. But I stress the word AMATEUR
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,299
    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,880
    edited July 11
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
    I think your last paragraph is definitely true. I also think he is not very bright and also not well educated. On the last point he often comes out with stuff which has come as a surprise to him, so assumes nobody else knows, when most do , but he really doesn't seem to have dementia.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,076
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    It's a stupid proposal by Leveson.

    For the reasons set out here the last time something similar was suggested - https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/

    Reading the report again, it's a discussion outwith the formal scope of the review.
    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/review-of-efficiency-in-criminal-proceedings-20151.pdf

    He's not recommending that juries be dispensed with; rather that the issue of judge led trials be revisited (though he's clearly quite keen on the idea).
    I think he's reasonably fair in setting out the arguments on both sides, and would be interested if that is, or isn't how you see it.
    (Edit ... if you have the time; it's quite a long read.)

    What do you make of his formal recommendations on changes to the appeals procedure from magistrates courts ?
    I don't have the time this evening.

    Judges and politicians are always desperate to get rid of juries and they always try to find ways of justifying this. These attempts have been going on my entire professional life and I view them as yet another example of the rulers displaying their disregard for and contempt for ordinary people and the role they ought to play in a well ordered society. See the last paragraph of my header the other day.

    The fundamental problem with our criminal justice system is its persistent under-funding over decades, an absolute failure by the state to take seriously one of its core duties.

    Also while I have worked professionally with Leveson and he is a nice thoughtful man, he has a tendency to come up with complicated proposals which seem to me to cause at least as many problems as they solve. See his suggestions on newspapers. He is a bit too pro-establishment de haut en bas for my tastes, which is probably why he is the go-to judge for such matters.

    Anyway will revert in more detail another time. Am a bit overwhelmed at the moment.
    Last thing I want to do is to add to your workload.
    It's just that some of his (long) list of recommendations seem quite sensible.

    Apart from anything else, the current system, when it (sometimes) takes five years to settle a case, isn't providing justice.

    A winnowing of his ideas, to sort the wheat from the chaff, might be a valuable undertaking.
    There will be no justice system worth the name if we won't pay for it. You can make as many sensible proposals as you like but if you won't invest then they won't work.

    The judge may be trying to improve the system - if I want to be generous.The civil servants and politicians won't be: they will want to spend as little as possible and get rid of the pesky ordinary people who won't do what they are told. They will take those that save money only, ignore the rest and render a broken system even more broken while demolishing our rights and limiting even further one of the few ways in which ordinary people play a crucial role in one of the most important state functions. They must be resisted at all costs.

    Invest properly in investigations - that means having a police force fit to do its job. Then in a justice system that takes those charged to court promptly and properly. Then in a prison system.

    Fat chance.
    I see no need to slur the civil servants here. Most civil servants want more money spent on their department. Civil servants are ordinary people. Restrict your blame to the politicians who won't provide the funding, and perhaps the voters who elected them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    Air India crash — first report out.

    BBC — attention now on actions of pilots. Possible fuel cut-off.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,147
    People only remember I got 5/11 wrong - and no complaints from me about that - but I did lay Biden at 1.2 for the nomination (on account of how frail he was looking). I think Nigel did too. So, you know, we weren't blind to it, us Trumpaphobes. Quite the opposite.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,870
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    And you think that makes it all okay do you ???

    The nominated a senile octogenarian as candidate while lying about his unfitness for office but its all okay because the senile octogenarian exposed his senility during a presidential debate and so had to be replaced (after another month of lies told to defend him).

    Its quite bizarre the lengths some try to go to because they want to make excuses for the Dems.

    Look I can understand you hating Trump - a malignant, pig ignorant narcissist who's doing all sorts of damage - but this making excuses for the Dems is going to be counter-productive as it stops them from learning from the mistakes which caused their downfall.
    I doubt they'll be choosing a mentally and physically frail old man as the candidate next time, Richard, but by all means send them a memo to get your advice on the record.
    Well there's currently three vacant House seats as the elderly Dems elected last November have since died.

    So they didn't learn from Biden's frailties in those cases.

    Or for that matter from the frailties of Feinstein or Ginsburg.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    That's a great set of data.

    76 was hot: 1976 35.9 Cheltenham 3 July...

  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
    I think your last paragraph is definitely true. I also think he is not very bright and also not well educated. On the last point he often comes out with stuff which has come as a surprise to him, so assumes nobody else knows, when most do , but he really doesn't seem to have dementia.
    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    People have underestimated Trump all the way along: he clowns around for a reason, it makes people presume he IS a clown. This serves his purpose

    Evil, malign and damaging people can be very smart, even charismatic. This is an unfortunate truth that we need, it seems, to learn again and again, because we keep forgetting
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,147
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
    He doesn't have dementia. Which is a shame because it would improve him.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,478
    MattW said:
    Or perhaps just giving more time for the noise to die down.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,153
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    That's not falling over and dribbling - he is far more dangerous and narcissistic with a deeply unpleasant attitude
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,147

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ICE are a bunch of thugs mandated to ignore constitutional protections.

    ICE interrogate kids at youth baseball practice—threatens to arrest coach when he defends them.

    Every kid on team is U.S. citizen.

    "Agent said if kids are here legally, what do they have to lose," coach explained.

    "I told them they still have their 5th & 4th Amendment rights."

    Youman Wilder has not only coached baseball on Manhattan's West Side for 20 years—he also has a law degree.

    He has since changed the practice schedule as a precaution to make kids feel safe—but all except 2 players have still been too afraid to come back out to the batting cages...

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1943693085088555038

    No prizes for guessing that racial profiling was involved.

    It astounds me how many utter thugs must have been hiding in the ranks of ICE, only held back by fear of getting punished. They didn't get this way overnight. If you're prepared to interrogate kids, snatch mothers from their children and kidnap people off the street, you were always like that.

    If the dems get back control before Trump turns the US in to a dictatorship, there are going to have to be soviet-scale purges of law enforcement at all levels.
    The Soviet purges created a people even more brutal and subservient to the great leader.

    Plus lots of slave labour.
    Of course if the Dems want to have any purges they could first purge themselves of all those who participated in the big lie that Senile Joe was capable of being President for another four years or perhaps all those who supported unrestricted illegal immigration.

    The problem being that there would be very few Dem politicians left in DC if they did so.
    You might not have noticed, but they didn't run Biden for a second term.
    You might not have noticed but they did.

    Which is why Biden was in the Presidential Debate.

    That he had to be replaced as candidate merely exposed the big lie the Dems had spread.
    They nominated him; they didn't run him.
    And you think that makes it all okay do you ???

    The nominated a senile octogenarian as candidate while lying about his unfitness for office but its all okay because the senile octogenarian exposed his senility during a presidential debate and so had to be replaced (after another month of lies told to defend him).

    Its quite bizarre the lengths some try to go to because they want to make excuses for the Dems.

    Look I can understand you hating Trump - a malignant, pig ignorant narcissist who's doing all sorts of damage - but this making excuses for the Dems is going to be counter-productive as it stops them from learning from the mistakes which caused their downfall.
    I doubt they'll be choosing a mentally and physically frail old man as the candidate next time, Richard, but by all means send them a memo to get your advice on the record.
    Well there's currently three vacant House seats as the elderly Dems elected last November have since died.

    So they didn't learn from Biden's frailties in those cases.

    Or for that matter from the frailties of Feinstein or Ginsburg.
    They do need a refresh, no question. If that's your motion, it passes.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,756
    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    Trump's secret police

    @ufw.bsky.social‬

    UPDATE: we tragically can confirm that a farm worker has died of injuries they sustained as a result of yesterday’s immigration enforcement action.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,701
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    That's a great set of data.

    76 was hot: 1976 35.9 Cheltenham 3 July...

    It was certainly hot. It had freakishly settled conditions for the whole summer. The UK was the most anomalously warm place in the northern Hemisphere that summer. Only 1995 has seen something similar. Yet its temperatures get regularly beaten these days in fairly meh conditions.

    What’s remarkable, and reminds one what a shitty climate we’ve had historically, is the number of years right up until the late 20th century where then absolute max for the year was below 30C.

    We’ve already had 35.7C this year (and 34.8C today) and it’s scarcely caused a ripple.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,192
    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    ..."The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cutoff.
    "In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."..


    Not something I could explain.
    Anyone ?
    Apparently setting the switches to cutoff then back to run is the standard restart procedure if the engine has lost thrust. Question is whether the engines cut out because they were switched off, or if the switches were reset after the engines had lost thrust for another reason. The voice recording suggests the first explanation, I guess.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    edited July 11
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,701

    TimS said:

    So yes, a/c is increasingly important, but let’s not forget why it’s increasingly important.

    To the extent that global warming is man made, it’s primarily a function of global development.
    No, it’s a product of industrial pollution. Equating it to development is like equating smog to development. We’re better than that.

    Climate change is a problem primarily of industrial and domestic waste disposal.

    Through the 19th and 20th centuries we progressively forbade businesses from dumping soot, sulphuric acid, mine tailings, nuclear waste and all sorts of other shit in our rivers, skies and fields. But thanks to their dispersed, invisible and odourless nature we’ve been rather lax on doing the same for CO2, NOx and CH4. We just need to regulate them. That’s all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,752
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump's secret police

    @ufw.bsky.social‬

    UPDATE: we tragically can confirm that a farm worker has died of injuries they sustained as a result of yesterday’s immigration enforcement action.

    The really scary thing is ICE is about to get untold billions of $. Could be the most well funded and massive law enforcement (if that isn't too ironic) agency in the US soon.

    Astonishing how quickly a two centuries old democracy folded within months.

    But that's down to the GOP.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,156
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,701
    edited July 11
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    I’m so far ahead on growing degree days of any other year since I planted the vines that I could be taking in a harvest in late September (sods law it’ll now do a 1976 minister for drought thing)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,984
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    You can't accidentally turn off the fuel supply, you have to lift the buttons and then turn them, simultaneously for each engine!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQakAafxGck
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,617
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,630
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I also would have thought the fuel switches would be a distance away from switches you use in a hurry..
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    They're not like buttons on a phone

    The fuel cutoff switches (AFAIK) are differentiated from all the other controls nearby and mechanically locked out, meaning you can't nudge them by accident
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,984
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    Dodn't we have 40 degrees on two consecutive days in July 2022? I think it was July 18th and 19th.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,720
    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    Perhaps he has bigger ambitions than "growing his inheritance"

    The stupidity on this site vis a vis Trump is quite exceptional
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,617
    Temperature outside now equal to temperature inside, so the windows may be opened. Bugger all wind, alas.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,687
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    Perhaps he has bigger ambitions than "growing his inheritance"

    The stupidity on this site vis a vis Trump is quite exceptional
    The $TRUMP coin pump and dump suggests growing his inheritance is at least a part of the goal. (As well as demonstrating a remarkable willingness on behalf of his followers to be fleeced.)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,617
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    Perhaps he has bigger ambitions than "growing his inheritance"

    The stupidity on this site vis a vis Trump is quite exceptional
    His failure is business is orthogonal to his success as a politician, and should be considered separately. Unless he's using his political position to improve his businesses, in which case he's corrupt.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,227
    Leon said:

    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    He concluded, correctly, that Americans would vote for his TV persona.

    The GOP establishment concluded it would be a fucking disaster.

    They were both right

    c.f. Brexit

    BoZo concluded, correctly, he could get us to vote against our interests.

    The Tory establishment at the time concluded it would be a fucking disaster.

    They were both right
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,192
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I think the pilot uses those switches to shut off the engines each time the plane lands. They would certainly know what they do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    edited July 11

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump's secret police

    @ufw.bsky.social‬

    UPDATE: we tragically can confirm that a farm worker has died of injuries they sustained as a result of yesterday’s immigration enforcement action.

    The really scary thing is ICE is about to get untold billions of $. Could be the most well funded and massive law enforcement (if that isn't too ironic) agency in the US soon.

    Astonishing how quickly a two centuries old democracy folded within months.

    But that's down to the GOP.
    Not just law enforcement; also manager of detention camps.

    And with the least oversight.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    edited July 11
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    Anyone can get confused under pressure. We saw that with Air France flight 447 where the pilot stalled the plane because he thought the problem was they were flying too low and fast when in fact they were flying too high and slow. The stall warning went off 75 times but they ignored it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has ... since he was elected a second time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    Perhaps he has bigger ambitions than "growing his inheritance"

    The stupidity on this site vis a vis Trump is quite exceptional
    His failure is business is orthogonal to his success as a politician, and should be considered separately. Unless he's using his political position to improve his businesses, in which case he's corrupt.
    There's really zero question about that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,984
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    Perhaps he has bigger ambitions than "growing his inheritance"

    The stupidity on this site vis a vis Trump is quite exceptional
    TIME TO DEFUND THE USA! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,984
    carnforth said:

    Temperature outside now equal to temperature inside, so the windows may be opened. Bugger all wind, alas.

    Nice breeze now through my Velux windows at loft level.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    edited July 11
    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    I’m so far ahead on growing degree days of any other year since I planted the vines that I could be taking in a harvest in late September (sods law it’ll now do a 1976 minister for drought thing)
    I thought your wines were nuked by the frost in April (?) .
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,054
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    "no he likes falling over and dribbling"

    Trump falls over and dribbles continuously

    He just accused grieving parents of being evil on live TV for wanting answers
    Trump is weird. With Biden there was an obvious and significant decline from about 2021, and it was hideous by 2022 (which is when the lefties on PB started circling the "it;s a stammer" wagons)

    Trump seems to go up and down. One day you decide he's entirely lost it, then two days later he is sharp and funny, and mocking the media quite successfully

    I am not at all sure he has dementia. I am sure he is weird and probably mad and utterly unfitted to be POTUS
    I think your last paragraph is definitely true. I also think he is not very bright and also not well educated. On the last point he often comes out with stuff which has come as a surprise to him, so assumes nobody else knows, when most do , but he really doesn't seem to have dementia.
    He's ignorant - not dumb, just extraordinarily lacking in knowledge - which leaves him prey to his prejudices and instincts. Which he's a genius at amplifying through the media and which, evidently, are shared by millions of Americans. Who really don't care about the consequences.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I think the pilot uses those switches to shut off the engines each time the plane lands. They would certainly know what they do.
    It doesn't sound as though that's a thing they could do by accident, though, if the process described upthread is accurate.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    Nigelb said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I disagree that "he's not very bright". He seems genuinely very bright, not an educated "intellectual", but sharp, cunning, witty, adroit, yes, that's one reason why he entirely outfoxed the GOP the establishment and is still running rings around people. He's genuinely clever (and also wildly flawed)

    Bankrupt 6 times, so he's not very bright

    His TV persona is that of a genius, so people call him that, even when he says and does really, really dumb stuff
    Running lots of businesses and some of them going bankrupt isn't, per se, a sign of failure.

    The fact that he doesn't seem to have, net, grown his inheritence is.
    He has, interim, become President of the United States. Twice

    Perhaps he has bigger ambitions than "growing his inheritance"

    The stupidity on this site vis a vis Trump is quite exceptional
    His failure is business is orthogonal to his success as a politician, and should be considered separately. Unless he's using his political position to improve his businesses, in which case he's corrupt.
    There's really zero question about that.
    The number I saw reported was that the Trump family net worth has increased at around $1bn per month since the election.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,964

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    Dodn't we have 40 degrees on two consecutive days in July 2022? I think it was July 18th and 19th.
    I couldn’t understand, looking at the maps, how the West of Scotland’s temperature was so far above the average. Then I remembered the past two winters; no snow, only a few frosty nights. It’s not just summer maxima that affect the averages, winter minima can affect them just as much, if not more.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,647
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I think the pilot uses those switches to shut off the engines each time the plane lands. They would certainly know what they do.
    It doesn't sound as though that's a thing they could do by accident, though, if the process described upthread is accurate.
    When I try to shut down my computer a note pops up on the screen asking if I really really want to turn it off. It would be nice if the accidental downing of an air liner could be subject to a similar degree of resistance.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 29% (+1)
    LAB: 22% (-1)
    CON: 18% (=)
    LDM: 16% (=)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via
    @techneUK
    , 9-10 Jul.
    Changes w/ 25-26 Jun.
    11:12 AM · Jul 11, 2025
    ·
    52.5K
    Views"

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1943614465095663961
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,175
    A part of the Epstein nothing-to-see-here fiasco no one's talking about: what happened to the "army of FBI agents" pulled off their cases in March to work on the Epstein files? Pam Bondi made people move to DC, pull all-nighters redacting the files. Did they just.. go home? 1/
    https://x.com/capitolhunters/status/1943682962848940248
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,176
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 29% (+1)
    LAB: 22% (-1)
    CON: 18% (=)
    LDM: 16% (=)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via
    @techneUK
    , 9-10 Jul.
    Changes w/ 25-26 Jun.
    11:12 AM · Jul 11, 2025
    ·
    52.5K
    Views"

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1943614465095663961

    The way that Reform's support is impervious to issues like the MP with the covid loans is an indication that they've achieved major party status in the eyes of the general public.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,701
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    I’m so far ahead on growing degree days of any other year since I planted the vines that I could be taking in a harvest in late September (sods law it’ll now do a 1976 minister for drought thing)
    I thought your wines were nuked by the frost in April (?) .
    About 10% were nuked, at the bottom of the slope.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,964
    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    I’m so far ahead on growing degree days of any other year since I planted the vines that I could be taking in a harvest in late September (sods law it’ll now do a 1976 minister for drought thing)
    I thought your wines were nuked by the frost in April (?) .
    About 10% were nuked, at the bottom of the slope.
    Are you allowed to light bonfires to help protect against frost, or are you a smokeless zone?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,231
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.

    Not an engineer, but I feel like the option of cutting off fuel to your engines mid-takeoff should be... engineered out?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    edited July 11
    Interesting final result from yesterday's local by-elections in Wealden.

    Green 611
    RefUK 561
    Con 336
    Ind 188
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,299
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 29% (+1)
    LAB: 22% (-1)
    CON: 18% (=)
    LDM: 16% (=)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via
    @techneUK
    , 9-10 Jul.
    Changes w/ 25-26 Jun.
    11:12 AM · Jul 11, 2025
    ·
    52.5K
    Views"

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1943614465095663961

    Reform majority of 28.
    Tories down to 38.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,984
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 29% (+1)
    LAB: 22% (-1)
    CON: 18% (=)
    LDM: 16% (=)
    GRN: 9% (+1)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Via
    @techneUK
    , 9-10 Jul.
    Changes w/ 25-26 Jun.
    11:12 AM · Jul 11, 2025
    ·
    52.5K
    Views"

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1943614465095663961

    Broken, sleazy Labour and SNP on the slide!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,752
    Nigelb said:

    A part of the Epstein nothing-to-see-here fiasco no one's talking about: what happened to the "army of FBI agents" pulled off their cases in March to work on the Epstein files? Pam Bondi made people move to DC, pull all-nighters redacting the files. Did they just.. go home? 1/
    https://x.com/capitolhunters/status/1943682962848940248

    Maybe the "army" found some names.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,984
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.

    Not an engineer, but I feel like the option of cutting off fuel to your engines mid-takeoff should be... engineered out?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQakAafxGck

    "Join Petter and Ben where we will be discussing Air India 171, and the news from several respected outlets today that the Boeing 787 fuel switches, are where investigators are focusing their attentions."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,299
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting final result from yesterday's local by-elections in Wealden.

    Green 611
    RefUK 561
    Con 336
    Ind 188

    A newly minted Green/Reform marginal.
    Should imagine there'll be a few more across the wealthy rural South soon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,482
    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,752
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting final result from yesterday's local by-elections in Wealden.

    Green 611
    RefUK 561
    Con 336
    Ind 188

    A newly minted Green/Reform marginal.
    Should imagine there'll be a few more across the wealthy rural South soon.
    Weird times.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,752

    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    I’m so far ahead on growing degree days of any other year since I planted the vines that I could be taking in a harvest in late September (sods law it’ll now do a 1976 minister for drought thing)
    I thought your wines were nuked by the frost in April (?) .
    About 10% were nuked, at the bottom of the slope.
    Are you allowed to light bonfires to help protect against frost, or are you a smokeless zone?
    I seem to recall discussing fires, which the french use as anti-frost, with @TimS in the spring and he said it was expensive.
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