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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751
    Popcorn latest:


    Megyn Kelly
    @megynkelly
    ·
    1h
    Can confirm it’s Bongino or Bondi - and the pick is obvious.

    Bondi must go.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,046
    carnforth said:

    Temperature outside now equal to temperature inside, so the windows may be opened. Bugger all wind, alas.

    It's getting on for midnight - and it's warmer than would have been considered a 'balmy' summers day when I was young. These overnight temperatures are really something.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,627

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,982
    edited July 11
    UPDATE
    Ben and Petter LIVE discussion regarding Air India 171:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka8RYplHD7Y
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,982

    Popcorn latest:


    Megyn Kelly
    @megynkelly
    ·
    1h
    Can confirm it’s Bongino or Bondi - and the pick is obvious.

    Bondi must go.

    Bondi beached.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,046
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    Finally brought to mind an old literary quote that's been nagging at me when I thought of the current government(s):

    We have a new type of rule now. Not one-man rule, or rule of aristocracy or plutocracy, but of small groups elevated to positions of absolute power by random pressures, and subject to political and economic factors that leave little room for decision. They are representatives of abstract forces who have reached power through surrender of self. The iron-willed dictator is a thing of the past. There will be no more Stalins, no more Hitlers. The rulers of this most insecure of all worlds are rulers by accident, inept, frightened pilots at the controls of a vast machine they cannot understand, calling in experts to tell them which buttons to push.

    ― William S. Burroughs, Interzone
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,627
    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    Temperature outside now equal to temperature inside, so the windows may be opened. Bugger all wind, alas.

    It's getting on for midnight - and it's warmer than would have been considered a 'balmy' summers day when I was young. These overnight temperatures are really something.
    It's really very pleasant in South Manchester. Not normal, certainly. But pleasant.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,155

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    Unless one of them grows up to be gay...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,474
    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    Got two girls and a boy i believe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751
    Bannon claiming tonight that Kash Patel will step down over Epstein files if Bongino goes.

    MAGA in meltdown.

    Popcorn to DefCon 2.


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,474

    Bannon claiming tonight that Kash Patel will step down over Epstein files if Bongino goes.

    MAGA in meltdown.

    Popcorn to DefCon 2.


    Only a few weeks ago he was on Joe Rogan giving the big un about transparency over this and other things that concern MAGA.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,845
    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    Q is I believe a gutteral back-of-the-throat sound in Arabic so a different sound to Q/K/C
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751

    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    🧵THREAD:

    1) I’m not sure about Kash leaving, but the report that Dan Bongino is done cleaning up after Pam Bondi is 100% accurate, and comes after months of frustration. I have this on airtight multiple sourcing.

    And Dan isn’t the only one who feels that way…

    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    2/ Both Kash and Dan, for months, have tried to get Pam to understand the importance of full transparency in her department, especially on the Epstein stuff.

    For reasons becoming apparent, this has fallen on deaf ears…

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/1943781884854411358
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,474
    Former Metropolitan Police commissioner, Lord Blair, has died at the age of 72.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,616
    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    Qatar starts with ق (the letter qaf) which has a more uvular pronuniciation that an English 'c' so 'q' is the preferred transliteration.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751

    Bannon claiming tonight that Kash Patel will step down over Epstein files if Bongino goes.

    MAGA in meltdown.

    Popcorn to DefCon 2.


    Only a few weeks ago he was on Joe Rogan giving the big un about transparency over this and other things that concern MAGA.
    A few weeks is a long time in clownsville.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,474
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    Qatar starts with ق (the letter qaf) which has a more uvular pronuniciation that an English 'c' so 'q' is the preferred transliteration.
    I presume the Americans standard pronunciation of cutter isn't very accurate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751
    “Bongino is out of control furious,” the person who has spoken with the deputy FBI director said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/dan-bongino-weighs-resigning-fbi-heated-confrontation-pam-bondi-epstei-rcna218388
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751
    More popcorn:

    Bannon:

    "That’s Elon. A total dweeb. A nerd."

    https://x.com/gc22gc/status/1943804229216268738

    "I want him deported"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    carnforth said:
    It looks like 3 possibilities; accidental turn off of the fuel, deliberate turn off of the fuel, a third unknown person in the cockpit turning offing the fuel (very unlikely).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266

    UPDATE
    Ben and Petter LIVE discussion regarding Air India 171:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka8RYplHD7Y

    I watched this, it's excellent, as always.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjh said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CatMan said:

    Think we need to install shutters on windows, like the French.

    The biggest difference between Brits when it’s sunny, and all of our southern neighbours, remains that we rush to fling the windows open and they rush to close them, and draw the curtains.
    I was in Paris in the heatwave summer of 2003. The hotel was stifling even with closed curtains.

    Worst was queuing in the glass pyramid at the Louvre.
    We were there in 1976. Which was worse?

    1976 and 2003 weren’t even close.

    2003 was the hottest summer in Europe since records began, by a huge margin (it’s since been overtaken). 1976 was hot and dry in Paris but nothing particularly unusual, unlike in Britain.
    It is funny how when it becomes the norm it is less memorable. In the Summer of 76 I had finished Uni and before starting work proper I drove a small lorry delivering and picking up laundry from shops and the main laundry. I had a great time. They changed the working hours to very early in the morning for the laundry workers because it got so hot and I remember Horsell Common catching fire and driving next to it with flames twice the height of huge trees. Yet these are now not record temperatures.
    Wrt temperatures here's some interesting historical data.
    Every hottest day in the UK 1900-2019.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    This year is the hottest year to this point so far for the central England temp series (10.05 C), last half of last year wasn't particularly warm though so the running ave is nothing particularly special (11 C)
    Dodn't we have 40 degrees on two consecutive days in July 2022? I think it was July 18th and 19th.
    The hottest place yesterday was Astwood Bank, just south of Redditch. 34.7 degrees.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,734
    Totally OT I've been seeing threads like this about random members of Congress illegally being turned away from detention facilities and I thought it was interesting that they have the legal right to do this.

    Is there anything like this in Britain? Can a Member of Parliament suddenly show up at a prison and say, "I've come to inspect your prison, you must let me in"? It seems like a great policy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3ltpq6lolpk27
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,155
    Two-Tier Keir is gonna reshuffle his Cabinet. Because it's all going so well https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-cabinet-reshuffle-bvq5tvgrj
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,155

    More popcorn:

    Bannon:

    "That’s Elon. A total dweeb. A nerd."

    https://x.com/gc22gc/status/1943804229216268738

    "I want him deported"

    I am no fan of Nazi Stark, but dear God he'll squash Bannon like an unshaven bug with a poor skincare routine. Soap, Bannon! Don't be afraid of it! Wash occasionally!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224

    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    Q is I believe a gutteral back-of-the-throat sound in Arabic so a different sound to Q/K/C
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X_Mp1J3q_wg
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,266
    "...no one under the age of 45 reads newspapers."

    Sort of explains why no-one knows anything useful or important.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y02pdzk0no
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,687
    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    It's still - quite remarkably - better than a couple of its neighbours.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,155
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Not a glowing endorsement...

    Sir Mo Farah: ‘My children are much safer in Qatar than London’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/mo-farah-interview-qatar/

    I wonder if any of his children are female?

    I hadn't really thought much about Qatar prior to the Qatar football world cup, except inasmuch as it is useful to have a country starting with a Q, even if it then refuses to follow it up with a u, and I really don't know why we don't just transliterate it with a 'c' given transliterations are arbitrary. Anyway.
    What I concluded from the WC was that Qatar (or Catar) is a horrible shithole runby religious maniacs and possibly the least visually appealing country on earth. So from a sportswashing perspective, it may not have been a massive success.
    It's still - quite remarkably - better than a couple of its neighbours.
    Even Hell has circles...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Andy_JS said:

    "...no one under the age of 45 reads newspapers."

    Sort of explains why no-one knows anything useful or important.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y02pdzk0no

    I think that's being *really* harsh on kids nowadays.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:
    It looks like 3 possibilities; accidental turn off of the fuel, deliberate turn off of the fuel, a third unknown person in the cockpit turning offing the fuel (very unlikely).
    From the Mentour video I saw yesterday, when the rumours started, it is *very* difficult to accidentally turn the switches off. You need to lift them, then turn them.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    On the strength of the story I've read via Matt's link, it doesn't sound as though his illness was fake. None of the experts listed appears to have known him or had any insider knowledge about his physiology. It's not exactly hard to find a rentagob to cast doubts on things from an armchair.
    It seems astoundingly unlikely that it is the actual illness he was diagnosed with, though.

    So the options probably are:
    *) A misdiagnosis of a condition with similar symptoms;
    *) A wider medical mistake.
    *) They lied about it.

    I don't know if the first is likely; that would be for an expert. The second is all too possible; but for a rare condition, I would have expected lots of tests for the diagnosis. As for the third, if they have lied about other important things, why not that?

    The NHS on corticobasal degeneration:

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corticobasal-degeneration/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,098

    Bannon claiming tonight that Kash Patel will step down over Epstein files if Bongino goes.

    MAGA in meltdown.

    Popcorn to DefCon 2.


    Only a few weeks ago he was on Joe Rogan giving the big un about transparency over this and other things that concern MAGA.
    Some followers actually believe what the big leader says, not just go along with it.

    Most still fall in line if the leader changes position, but occasionally even the leader is surprised who was being genuine.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,098

    Andy_JS said:

    "...no one under the age of 45 reads newspapers."

    Sort of explains why no-one knows anything useful or important.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y02pdzk0no

    I think that's being *really* harsh on kids nowadays.
    And has an optimistic view of what most newspapers contain.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,098

    Totally OT I've been seeing threads like this about random members of Congress illegally being turned away from detention facilities and I thought it was interesting that they have the legal right to do this.

    Is there anything like this in Britain? Can a Member of Parliament suddenly show up at a prison and say, "I've come to inspect your prison, you must let me in"? It seems like a great policy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3ltpq6lolpk27

    I very much doubt it.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,091

    Djokovic loses to Sinner in straight sets 6-3, 6-3, 6-4

    Alcaraz v. Sinner in Sunday's final.

    Yah!!!!
    My lately deceased mother would have been delighted.that Djokovic lost
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,390

    Bannon claiming tonight that Kash Patel will step down over Epstein files if Bongino goes.

    MAGA in meltdown.

    Popcorn to DefCon 2.


    But popcorn has a 50% tariff, so getting scarce....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,178
    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I think the pilot uses those switches to shut off the engines each time the plane lands. They would certainly know what they do.
    Also they would just have run through the pre flight checklist, minutes before, where one of them would have read out the switches and the other checked that they are on.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,172

    Bannon claiming tonight that Kash Patel will step down over Epstein files if Bongino goes.

    MAGA in meltdown.

    Popcorn to DefCon 2.


    But popcorn has a 50% tariff, so getting scarce....
    Although that might be the only thing Bongino can bang up.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,618
    carnforth said:
    Guido and the Tory MP should read the BBC who reported this last November.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79z72vgp5go

    It seems Kevin Hollinrake MP is one of us, a deluded political punter. What is his PB username?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8wWg8oB4ww (one-minute video)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,192
    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I think the pilot uses those switches to shut off the engines each time the plane lands. They would certainly know what they do.
    Also they would just have run through the pre flight checklist, minutes before, where one of them would have read out the switches and the other checked that they are on.
    I have a feeling the initial report is holding back important information. The reported conversation, Why did you do cut-off .... I didn't — seems strange.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,178
    FF43 said:

    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Air india preliminary report is out. When the BBC digests it, details will be here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

    Switching off the engine fuel supply seems an odd decision by the pilot when taking off.
    The speculation would be something like he was trying to do something else like retracting the wheels and pressed the wrong button.
    I can't help thinking that the ability to know which button to press is, or should be, the baseline knowledge for a pilot
    I think the pilot uses those switches to shut off the engines each time the plane lands. They would certainly know what they do.
    Also they would just have run through the pre flight checklist, minutes before, where one of them would have read out the switches and the other checked that they are on.
    I have a feeling the initial report is holding back important information. The reported conversation, Why did you do cut-off .... I didn't — seems strange.
    It’s a summary of a conversation. Not the actual words used. The full detail of what was said when might contain more clues.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,478

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    On the strength of the story I've read via Matt's link, it doesn't sound as though his illness was fake. None of the experts listed appears to have known him or had any insider knowledge about his physiology. It's not exactly hard to find a rentagob to cast doubts on things from an armchair.
    It seems astoundingly unlikely that it is the actual illness he was diagnosed with, though.

    So the options probably are:
    *) A misdiagnosis of a condition with similar symptoms;
    *) A wider medical mistake.
    *) They lied about it.

    I don't know if the first is likely; that would be for an expert. The second is all too possible; but for a rare condition, I would have expected lots of tests for the diagnosis. As for the third, if they have lied about other important things, why not that?

    The NHS on corticobasal degeneration:

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corticobasal-degeneration/
    FWIW I believe he is genuinely ill and with something that resembles CNS - note syndrome is now the preferred term. I’m pretty sure that their backstory is not how they have told it, and it’s pretty obvious why. No one wants to root for an embezzler who got their just desserts and lost their house. Losing everything through no fault of their own? That’s a winner.

    His disease is clearly not the classical version that would have seen him off by now.

    I still stand by my initial complaint. What the fuck is Moth as a name? The idea that it’s short for Timothy is preposterous (I speak as a Timothy and no one ever has shortened to that). Any decent writer would have included the derivation…unless of course they were hiding something.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,178
    edited 7:01AM
    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:
    It looks like 3 possibilities; accidental turn off of the fuel, deliberate turn off of the fuel, a third unknown person in the cockpit turning offing the fuel (very unlikely).
    The recording system records the electrical state of the switches - i.e. whether they were working or not - and not the physical position of the switches. Therefore I guess there is still the possibility of some highly unlikely malfunction, I guess. When they do the millisecond by millisecond analysis kf the cockpit recording, it’s probable that if the switches were moved, there would be a trace of the associated sounds of pulling and moving the switch on the recording.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,178
    Meanwhile back at home, people have been warned to watch out for drunken seagulls. The heat brings out flying ants, and apparently the ants contain some kind if acid that, if a bird has too many at once, makes it drunk….
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,618
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:
    It looks like 3 possibilities; accidental turn off of the fuel, deliberate turn off of the fuel, a third unknown person in the cockpit turning offing the fuel (very unlikely).
    The recording system records the electrical state of the switches - i.e. whether they were working or not - and not the physical position of the switches. Therefore I guess there is still the possibility of some highly unlikely malfunction, I guess. When they do the millisecond by millisecond analysis kf the cockpit recording, it’s probable that if the switches were moved, there would be a trace of the associated sounds of pulling and moving the switch on the recording.
    Was that – a control's apparent and actual position being different – not the cause of the Chernobyl disaster? Or maybe Three Mile Island; one of them anyway.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,626
    Having looked at the video of the discussion when you shut off the engine warning lights appear all over the dashboard so it would have been immediately noticeable. Pilot error does seem the most likeliest reason regardless . It may have been just the pilot mistakenly shut the engines off intending to retract the landing gear .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    As it hapoens, I am currently walking the Cumbrian part with a friend (who is doing the whole thing). It's 190 miles coast to coast. The Cumbrian section has a lot of climbing up onto high moorland passes and then often steep descents. Often it is just you and the Herdwicks. You can go slightly off piste and do a few Wainwrights if you want to. Stunning scenery. My friend gets to Shap tonight, I'll be on my way home.
    When I walked it - we did it in reverse!!

    My mate had tried the walk with a different companion the year before but only managed the Lakes bit before an injury so he wanted to do it the other way around.

    It actually works better we all agreed. You get some physical warming up and strengthening through Yorks before you face what are basically mountains in the Lakes. And you build up to the highlight of those mountain views etc.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,751
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile back at home, people have been warned to watch out for drunken seagulls. The heat brings out flying ants, and apparently the ants contain some kind if acid that, if a bird has too many at once, makes it drunk….

    How long before @Leon is trying these ants?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,715

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,618

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    As it hapoens, I am currently walking the Cumbrian part with a friend (who is doing the whole thing). It's 190 miles coast to coast. The Cumbrian section has a lot of climbing up onto high moorland passes and then often steep descents. Often it is just you and the Herdwicks. You can go slightly off piste and do a few Wainwrights if you want to. Stunning scenery. My friend gets to Shap tonight, I'll be on my way home.
    When I walked it - we did it in reverse!!

    My mate had tried the walk with a different companion the year before but only managed the Lakes bit before an injury so he wanted to do it the other way around.

    It actually works better we all agreed. You get some physical warming up and strengthening through Yorks before you face what are basically mountains in the Lakes. And you build up to the highlight of those mountain views etc.
    The Goons - I'm Walking Backwards for Christmas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e61uC-5s9VU
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,178
    edited 7:18AM

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile back at home, people have been warned to watch out for drunken seagulls. The heat brings out flying ants, and apparently the ants contain some kind if acid that, if a bird has too many at once, makes it drunk….

    How long before @Leon is trying these ants?
    The gov.uk health sheet doesn’t indicate any pleasurable upside amid the listed side-effects of the acid, which include vomiting, skin irritation, drooling, confusion, headache, and breathlessness. While the drooling and confusion might be indistinguishable from Leon’s normal state, I don’t think anyone would volunteer for the other symptoms….
  • lintolinto Posts: 47
    edited 7:23AM
    kle4 said:

    Totally OT I've been seeing threads like this about random members of Congress illegally being turned away from detention facilities and I thought it was interesting that they have the legal right to do this.

    Is there anything like this in Britain? Can a Member of Parliament suddenly show up at a prison and say, "I've come to inspect your prison, you must let me in"? It seems like a great policy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3ltpq6lolpk27

    I very much doubt it.
    Not sure about MPs but there is a scheme where people just turn up unannounced and check police custody suites (independent custody visitors) and they can't be refused entry. I'd imagine similar things exist for prisons.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 mile is the length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    On the strength of the story I've read via Matt's link, it doesn't sound as though his illness was fake. None of the experts listed appears to have known him or had any insider knowledge about his physiology. It's not exactly hard to find a rentagob to cast doubts on things from an armchair.
    It seems astoundingly unlikely that it is the actual illness he was diagnosed with, though.

    So the options probably are:
    *) A misdiagnosis of a condition with similar symptoms;
    *) A wider medical mistake.
    *) They lied about it.

    I don't know if the first is likely; that would be for an expert. The second is all too possible; but for a rare condition, I would have expected lots of tests for the diagnosis. As for the third, if they have lied about other important things, why not that?

    The NHS on corticobasal degeneration:

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corticobasal-degeneration/
    FWIW I believe he is genuinely ill and with something that resembles CNS - note syndrome is now the preferred term. I’m pretty sure that their backstory is not how they have told it, and it’s pretty obvious why. No one wants to root for an embezzler who got their just desserts and lost their house. Losing everything through no fault of their own? That’s a winner.

    His disease is clearly not the classical version that would have seen him off by now.

    I still stand by my initial complaint. What the fuck is Moth as a name? The idea that it’s short for Timothy is preposterous (I speak as a Timothy and no one ever has shortened to that). Any decent writer would have included the derivation…unless of course they were hiding something.
    He's from Devon?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,478
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 mile is the length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    The CTC originated with Wainwright and was designed to include the lakes, the dales and the north Yorks moors. Although he described a route he was clear that walkers could choose their own way. Personally would prefer east to west because I'd want to do the lakes to finish.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,178

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 mile is the length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    The CTC originated with Wainwright and was designed to include the lakes, the dales and the north Yorks moors. Although he described a route he was clear that walkers could choose their own way. Personally would prefer east to west because I'd want to do the lakes to finish.
    More comfortable with the wind on your back, though
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,108
    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 mile is the length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    The CTC originated with Wainwright and was designed to include the lakes, the dales and the north Yorks moors. Although he described a route he was clear that walkers could choose their own way. Personally would prefer east to west because I'd want to do the lakes to finish.
    More comfortable with the wind on your back, though
    LEJOG rather than JOGLE is the other suggestion wrt winds.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,478
    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 mile is the length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
    The CTC originated with Wainwright and was designed to include the lakes, the dales and the north Yorks moors. Although he described a route he was clear that walkers could choose their own way. Personally would prefer east to west because I'd want to do the lakes to finish.
    More comfortable with the wind on your back, though
    Which assumes a constant westerly, which in summer is unlikely.
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