The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
What’s the over / under on a nuke being used in anger somewhere in the world before 2030? Not a question I’d ever have thought to ask not so long ago.
Relatively easy-peasy. Iran surrenders sovereignty of the nuke areas. They evacuate troops/ defence etc. IDF/US troops into those bases and those bases only . Do what they need to do and then get out of dodge. But Iran surrenders those areas to be cleared.
Why is Iran going to do this?
Iran lost around 400,000 soldiers in the Iran-Iraq war. They didn't give up. They're not going to roll over that easily in the face of Israeli and/or US attacks.
Either that or their military gets completely wiped with all the implications that has for maintaining their internal grip on power. Let’s not beat about the bush here. They’re being hammered. The regime needs to pick their easiest route to survival.
Reports suggest that Iran wants an out, but what's on offer? Bibi says he wants regime change (and he'll put up with the hardship of re-scheduling his son's wedding, so you know he's serious). The current Iranian regime aren't going to be keen on that.
They could face internal revolution, although Iran can have a rally around the flag effect just like anywhere else. Internal revolution in Iraq after the first Gulf War prospered with the support of allied airpower, but failed to topple that regime in its areas of strength. It took boots on the ground to do that in the second Gulf War. The Iranian regime is not a universally hated dictatorship surviving through military force alone. It's quite popular in parts of the country.
I'd love for the Iranian regime to dismantle itself and Iran's nuclear programme, but I'm not holding my breath.
Their out is surrendering all of their enriched Uranium together with all the processing facilities being verifiably dismantled.
Whatever Bibi says re regime change is just posturing and threats, the same as Iran postures with AI videos showing the White House in flames etc etc.
Irans problem, or at least the regimes problem, is that they’re losing. And badly. They can choose to save themselves as per what I suggested, or continue to hold out whilst losing their resources, face and ability to maintain themselves in the process. Israel would settle for complete nuke disarmament and live with Iran as it is. They’ve sparked them hard enough. And the Iranian regime knows that.
It may even teach the Iranian regime to play nice and not be such arseholes. Who knows?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
But we’re back to where we’ve always been on this. Does MAD apply? Iran’s button may be in the control (now or in the future) of someone who would get an epic hard on at the idea of triggering biblical Armageddon.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
I think 3 has been running for some time.
The logic would be there's a tipping point where the middle ranks see commander after commander being wiped out and looking at promotion think it's time to support the people as they rise up.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
But we’re back to where we’ve always been on this. Does MAD apply? Iran’s button may be in the control (now or in the future) of someone who would get an epic hard on at the idea of triggering biblical Armageddon.
He might but I expect most senior Iranians aren't so militantly desperate to get to Muslim heaven they are willing to be vaporised for it first
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
I think 3 has been running for some time.
The logic would be there's a tipping point where the middle ranks see commander after commander being wiped out and looking at promotion think it's time to support the people as they rise up.
Supposedly Trump veto'd Israel assassinating the Supreme Iranian - Khamenei
But if Trump also refuses to take out Iran's nuclear capability, then Israel will surely think: fuck this, what have we got to lose - kill Khamenei and everyone else we can slot
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
I think 3 has been running for some time.
The logic would be there's a tipping point where the middle ranks see commander after commander being wiped out and looking at promotion think it's time to support the people as they rise up.
Bit more contentious to kill the ayatollah in his 5* suite in Muscat.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
But we’re back to where we’ve always been on this. Does MAD apply? Iran’s button may be in the control (now or in the future) of someone who would get an epic hard on at the idea of triggering biblical Armageddon.
He might but I expect most senior Iranians aren't so militantly desperate to get to Muslim heaven they are willing to be vaporised for it first
In autumn 2022 I got to sleep at night by remembering that there was a chain of command in the Russian armed forces and no magical red button in Putin’s downstairs khazi. But really it’s a fiction isn’t it. Sufficient radical loyalty / fear in the chain of command and the order gets followed doesn’t it.
Relatively easy-peasy. Iran surrenders sovereignty of the nuke areas. They evacuate troops/ defence etc. IDF/US troops into those bases and those bases only . Do what they need to do and then get out of dodge. But Iran surrenders those areas to be cleared.
Why is Iran going to do this?
Iran lost around 400,000 soldiers in the Iran-Iraq war. They didn't give up. They're not going to roll over that easily in the face of Israeli and/or US attacks.
Either that or their military gets completely wiped with all the implications that has for maintaining their internal grip on power. Let’s not beat about the bush here. They’re being hammered. The regime needs to pick their easiest route to survival.
Reports suggest that Iran wants an out, but what's on offer? Bibi says he wants regime change (and he'll put up with the hardship of re-scheduling his son's wedding, so you know he's serious). The current Iranian regime aren't going to be keen on that.
They could face internal revolution, although Iran can have a rally around the flag effect just like anywhere else. Internal revolution in Iraq after the first Gulf War prospered with the support of allied airpower, but failed to topple that regime in its areas of strength. It took boots on the ground to do that in the second Gulf War. The Iranian regime is not a universally hated dictatorship surviving through military force alone. It's quite popular in parts of the country.
I'd love for the Iranian regime to dismantle itself and Iran's nuclear programme, but I'm not holding my breath.
Their out is surrendering all of their enriched Uranium together with all the processing facilities being verifiably dismantled.
Whatever Bibi says re regime change is just posturing and threats, the same as Iran postures with AI videos showing the White House in flames etc etc.
Irans problem, or at least the regimes problem, is that they’re losing. And badly. They can choose to save themselves as per what I suggested, or continue to hold out whilst losing their resources, face and ability to maintain themselves in the process. Israel would settle for complete nuke disarmament and live with Iran as it is. They’ve sparked them hard enough. And the Iranian regime knows that.
It may even teach the Iranian regime to play nice and not be such arseholes. Who knows?
I was reading some interesting things about Khomenei the other day.
A life of fanaticism, but also an early influence from Plato's Republic. His philosopher-kings seem to have inspired the idea of clerical rule.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
But we’re back to where we’ve always been on this. Does MAD apply? Iran’s button may be in the control (now or in the future) of someone who would get an epic hard on at the idea of triggering biblical Armageddon.
He might but I expect most senior Iranians aren't so militantly desperate to get to Muslim heaven they are willing to be vaporised for it first
In autumn 2022 I got to sleep at night by remembering that there was a chain of command in the Russian armed forces and no magical red button in Putin’s downstairs khazi. But really it’s a fiction isn’t it. Sufficient radical loyalty / fear in the chain of command and the order gets followed doesn’t it.
In theory, if they fear for their own lives a leader gone mad can be eliminated and replaced by someone a little more sane eg a senior general
@SkyNews · 1m BREAKING: The Israeli military has issued an evacuation warning to residents in the industrial area of Iran's Kolesh Taleshan village, which is situated to the north west of Tehran
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Apologies, my post below was meant to be in reference to Leon's mention of the freakazoid Islamo-fascist monks ruling Tehran.
It's interesting how , early on in his life , he seems to have taken a similar direct, and obviously selective, influence from Plato as some Western dictators. Islamofascist, in this case then, is clearly not just rhetoric.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
All Iran? So you know how large it is? The temptation would be to liquify Teheran. But that's where the strongest anti-regime support is (barring non-Persian minorities). Also. Why is Israel begging Trump to "finish the job" if it were able to do so itself?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Edit : and Moscow has long been on the target list for the Sampson option.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
All Iran? So you know how large it is? The temptation would be to liquify Teheran. But that's where the strongest anti-regime support is (barring non-Persian minorities). Also. Why is Israel begging Trump to "finish the job" if it were able to do so itself?
Israel as others have stated has enough nukes itself to wipe out Iran but Trump would certainly nuke Iran anyway if Israel was nuked by Teheran
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Edit : and Moscow has long been on the target list for the Sampson option.
It’s difficult to see how Iran could function as a State, following the destruction of every main population centre, and most of its armed forces.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Edit : and Moscow has long been on the target list for the Sampson option.
It’s difficult to see how Iran could function as a State, following the destruction of every main population centre, and most of its armed forces.
That wouldn’t happen. Iran wouldn’t have the megaton city busters we have in our nightmares. They could cobble together something to create a shitshow, but not end of days stuff. Not yet anyway.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
@SkyNews · 1m BREAKING: The Israeli military has issued an evacuation warning to residents in the industrial area of Iran's Kolesh Taleshan village, which is situated to the north west of Tehran
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
Britain could wipe out most of the European or Russian population with our nukes but we do not have enough to wipe out the entire global population
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
China coming up fast on the inside.
China has 24 deployed warheads, 600 total. The UK 120 deployed warheads, 225 total.
The USA is looking to moving a chunk of capability to LEO - the cost is actually lower, and the capability less vulnerable.
Except a chunk of that capability can't be put in orbit. The E7 might not be a suitable platform - too big and costly - in today's environment, but they still need the capability.
Russia has given up because it can't afford next generation AEW. China is still building new systems.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Edit : and Moscow has long been on the target list for the Sampson option.
It’s difficult to see how Iran could function as a State, following the destruction of every main population centre, and most of its armed forces.
That wouldn’t happen. Iran wouldn’t have the megaton city busters we have in our nightmares. They could cobble together something to create a shitshow, but not end of days stuff. Not yet anyway.
I meant - following the destruction of Iran’s main population centres and armed forces.
Those Iranians who died in the initial strike would be the tip of the iceberg. There would be further deaths from radiation, and then starvation, as all transport and communications links broke down.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
I would be very surprised if Israel didn't have enough nuclear weapons to destroy all of Iran, and several other Middle East countries at the same time.
It quite likely has a larger nuclear arsenal than Britain.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
I get the doomsday scenario but why would they be uninhabitable for decades? Anything Iran can build will certainly be no greater yield than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Despite huge destruction (but by hydrogen bomb standards very limited) those cities were rebuilt within years and certainly habitable.
Iranian yields and delivery optimisation would be far less considering their design hasn’t been tested or refined.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
I would be very surprised if Israel didn't have enough nuclear weapons to destroy all of Iran, and several other Middle East countries at the same time.
It quite likely has a larger nuclear arsenal than Britain.
Without a Union Jack sticker on it - it's basically useless though, right?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
Britain could wipe out most of the European or Russian population with our nukes but we do not have enough to wipe out the entire global population
You mean you think we could take out the Russians AND the French AND the Germans, at the same time and not have to choose?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
I would be very surprised if Israel didn't have enough nuclear weapons to destroy all of Iran, and several other Middle East countries at the same time.
It quite likely has a larger nuclear arsenal than Britain.
Without a Union Jack sticker on it - it's basically useless though, right?
I thought we put Scottish saltires on our nukes, since they are based in Scotland, and the ScotNats are really touchy about flags.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
Britain could wipe out most of the European or Russian population with our nukes but we do not have enough to wipe out the entire global population
You mean you think we could take out the Russians AND the French AND the Germans, at the same time and not have to choose?
Joy unconfined.
Even despite Brexit it would at the very worst case scenario be only the Russians we would have to take out in a MAD scenario, with the French alongside us doing the same.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
China coming up fast on the inside.
China has 24 deployed warheads, 600 total. The UK 120 deployed warheads, 225 total.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
I get the doomsday scenario but why would they be uninhabitable for decades? Anything Iran can build will certainly be no greater yield than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Despite huge destruction (but by hydrogen bomb standards very limited) those cities were rebuilt within years and certainly habitable.
Iranian yields and delivery optimisation would be far less considering their design hasn’t been tested or refined.
It’s more about detonation altitude. Both Nagasaki and Hiroshima were air busts - very little lingering radiation. Those who died, died from the prompt radiation from the bombs themselves, not fallout.
Airbursts are optimal for flattening cities. Ground burst for hitting buried stuff.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
And they would be ignored
It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
Iran doesn't have the nukes to wipe out all the Middle East let alone the world even if they were fully tested and developed.
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
How many people do you think Britain could kill if we used all our warheads, and is that number high enough do you reckon?
China coming up fast on the inside.
China has 24 deployed warheads, 600 total. The UK 120 deployed warheads, 225 total.
China is still adding. The other two (and we) aren't.
China is still well behind where it should be in terms of nukes as the nation with the second biggest population on earth and second largest economy and largest army.
In a nuclear war at the moment China could not wipe out the US but the US could wipe out China, whereas Russia could wipe out the US as well as the reverse.
Albeit Xi is rather less bellicose than Putin and more focused on expanding Chinese economic influence than getting involved in military conflict beyond possibly with Taiwan and Putin and Trump are on reasonably good terms
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
I have witnessed chess games that ended in a nuclear attack.
Well. The table thrown over anyway.
I was the arbiter at the time...
That would be my sister.
Ditto for Monopoly, Scrabble...
What is it about board games?
This incident was in a chess congress with about 200 odd (in both senses) people in the room rather than on a family dining table.
I had a lot of sympathy with the board thrower as his opponent was being a [insert rude word here] but could do nothing about it without a formal request. [Rule 10.2 - claiming a draw when your opponent is not trying to win by normal means]
Chess can be quite a stressful game. I'm not sure WOPR had the right idea.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
Too many non-working holidays in America. It is costing our Country $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don't want it either! Soon we'll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year. It must change if we are going to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
It's not going well for Israel, partly because Gaza has done huge damage to it's western support, and partly because Iran seems to be improving, rather than decreasing, it's weapons power.
The BBC six o clock news had a report from BBC monitoring that sounded like a bit like was from an Iranian government infiltrator. All Iranians pulling together, Israeli propaganda hack on their tv channel not helping them, etc.
They've been Kermitted once before.
Much as the majority likely want regime change, they just as probably don't want it on Don/Bibi terms.
I am incredibly angry with Bibi, because his behavior means that it is highly unlikely that anyone - other than the US (maybe) - takes the Iran nuclear threat seriously.
Israelis and Palestinians are likely to die because of Bibi's personal need to escalate (to stay out of jail).
Trump on U.S. military action against Iran: "I will make my decision whether or not to go, within the next two weeks."
A prime time tv event where he goes up or down with his thumb?
Bibi will be getting twitchy. In 2 weeks Israel will be out of modern missiles at the current rate. Iran will not be. And Iron Dome may look like a colander.
Never, ever rely on Trump. Just don’t.
I hope Trump continues to be unreliable in this instance. Israel does need to learn to live with its neighbours a bit, rather than picking fights and getting its 18-stone big brother finish them.
Exactly.
And what fight have they picked, precisely?
With the Palestinians? They attempted to negotiate with them but Arafat walked away. So they tried pulling out of Gaza, and Hamas took over and it led to 7 October.
With Iran? Iran seeks their destruction and nuclear weapons to achieve it?
With Egypt? No, they negotiated peace with them.
With Jordan? No, they negotiated peace with them.
With United Arab Emirates? No, they negotiated peace with them.
With Bahrain? No, they negotiated peace with them.
With Morocco? No, they negotiated peace with them.
With Sudan? No, they negotiated peace with them.
With Saudi? No, they were negotiating peace with them.
The majority of Palestinians were born after Arafat walked away.
Seems the bombing will start after the markets close for the weekend... Another folly. I hope Starmer can channel his inner Wilson. doubt it though as we're probably helping already.
For PB's F1 contingent. Ferrari considering setting up UK base.
Sensible. Almost all of F1's best engineering and operational talent is in the UK. In the last 30 years only Ferrari in the Schumacher era has had sustained success while being based outside of the UK, but that involved ramming the team full of Brits.
Seems the bombing will start after the markets close for the weekend... Another folly. I hope Starmer can channel his inner Wilson. doubt it though as we're probably helping already.
Fill up the cars!
Why do you say that? I’ve thought that all week but when that sunny blonde press sec spoke tonight, it sounded like trump has got the wibbles
Graun says US would need to drop a tactical nuke to be sure of taking out fordor and trump refuses.
I don't even think a tactical nuke would guarantee its destruction.
The only safeguard is regime change then isn’t it. Unless you just bomb them every year.
Yes
Israel needs regime change. That’s the only other option, and it avoids nukes
Easier said than done, of course, but they could usefully start by zapping Khamenei
Forensically taking out the Iranian leaders and mullahs would also be a lot more popular with Joe Persian on the Isfahan Omnibus, as compared to carpet bombing Qom
Seems the bombing will start after the markets close for the weekend... Another folly. I hope Starmer can channel his inner Wilson. doubt it though as we're probably helping already.
Fill up the cars!
Why do you say that? I’ve thought that all week but when that sunny blonde press sec spoke tonight, it sounded like trump has got the wibbles
Seymour Hersh. What can I say I think the man has still got it!
And what else can they do? The longer they wait the more missiles are coming for Israel and the more IASF jets wear out on that 2000km + round trip. The less fancy long range missiles they have. The less on the ground people, as the Iranians have supposedly started catching the drone pilots. Plus the Iranian air defence might be ramping up again.
The time has to be now else what was the point burning all the assets?
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
IAF F-15A Baz "663", which achieved the first ever air-to-air combat kill for the F-15 when pilot Moshe Melnik shot down a Syrian MiG-21 with a Python-3 on 27 June 1979, is seen here almost exactly 46 years about to depart on a mission in support of Operation Rising Lion. https://x.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1935778866389565580
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
For PB's F1 contingent. Ferrari considering setting up UK base.
Sensible. Almost all of F1's best engineering and operational talent is in the UK. In the last 30 years only Ferrari in the Schumacher era has had sustained success while being based outside of the UK, but that involved ramming the team full of Brits.
It makes sense for more than that reason. I know two ex-F1 engineers. Intelligent, relatively low-level chaps who did grunt design work. Both got job offers from Ferrari; one formally, one informally. Both refused.
Why? Because apparently Ferrari F1 have got a poor reputation as a workplace, especially if you are non-Italian. Top-level people get some protection, e.g. drivers or top-level staff, but for the grunts it can be awful, even when you learn Italian.
As an aside, being a low-level engineer in F1 is apparently a fairly unattractive prospect nowadays. The cost cap means that, unless you are the three top staff members, you get paid less than you can get in other areas of motorsport. The mandatory mid-season holiday means that if you don't have kids, you get forced to take holidays at the most expensive part of the year. The schedule for nine months of the year is incredibly hectic, yet the cost cap sometimes reduces the amount of useful work you can do.
A couple of decades ago, a young engineer would join an F1 team and, if good, would spend a couple of decades in the sport. Nowadays many just want it on their CV for a few years, then move to other areas of motorsport where the pay is better and you can actually build the stuff you design.
So it is bad enough without a toxic culture. Another site with a different work culture might prove incredibly useful for Ferrari. A UK site with the Ferrari culture would be of far less benefit.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
The Last Argument Of Kings.
That's very poetic.
Or as Joe Abercrombie might put it:
That was the terrible justice, the awful beauty of it. They had awakened the Bomb. And, the Bomb has no favourites, the Bomb does not discriminate. It deals death, without favour or partiality. All the world is its lawful prey.
A couple of solid Labour holds, and a LibDem gain from Tory; other than the one where Reform gained big, last nights by-elections were less good for Reform than of late.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
The Last Argument Of Kings.
That's very poetic.
Or as Joe Abercrombie might put it:
That was the terrible justice, the awful beauty of it. They had awakened the Bomb. And, the Bomb has no favourites, the Bomb does not discriminate. It deals death, without favour or partiality. All the world is its lawful prey.
From Half the World etc? Quite liked that trilogy, but really disliked the final ending.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
The Last Argument Of Kings.
That's very poetic.
Or as Joe Abercrombie might put it:
That was the terrible justice, the awful beauty of it. They had awakened the Bomb. And, the Bomb has no favourites, the Bomb does not discriminate. It deals death, without favour or partiality. All the world is its lawful prey.
From Half the World etc? Quite liked that trilogy, but really disliked the final ending.
It's pretty downbeat. Brand was killed: Yarvi, revealed as a conniving shit. And Skara told the boyfriend who'd saved her life to take a hike.
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
The Last Argument Of Kings.
That's very poetic.
Or as Joe Abercrombie might put it:
That was the terrible justice, the awful beauty of it. They had awakened the Bomb. And, the Bomb has no favourites, the Bomb does not discriminate. It deals death, without favour or partiality. All the world is its lawful prey.
From Half the World etc? Quite liked that trilogy, but really disliked the final ending.
It's pretty downbeat. Brand was killed: Yarvi, revealed as a conniving shit. And Skara told the boyfriend who'd saved her life to take a hike.
Yes, I love his books but sometimes it can be too depressing to read how the characters you've come to like are awful...
The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Israel almost certainly has its own nukes, so Tehran would risk its own destruction if it attacked Israel with nuclear weapons even if it developed them
Israel is so tiny and vulnerable a first strike, destroying the entire country, would be quite feasible
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
Israel may be tiny but almost certainly has enough nukes to wipe out all Iran, even if it wasn't able to the US would almost certainly nuke Iran to bits if it wiped out Israel
I doubt that very much
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
If any of Iran remained standing in that scenario, the evangelical and Jewish lobby in the US would demand Washington finished the job
Which is why Israel has so many nukes - its policy is to utterly destroy, if defeated, all counties it is at war with. So if a country is doing the performative “Death to Israel, but we don’t actually do anything…” - doesn’t help them.
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Added to which, have we any indication Israel have thermo~nukes or just standard boring fission nukes? Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
Most believe that Israel achieved fission devices in the late 60s.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Thank you Sir. You certainly know your onions!
Incidentally, Orange Herald was a classic airburst-
It’s counterintuitive and obviously horrific to say but there is an undeniable beauty in an atomic explosion such as the one you post. Can’t quite put it properly into words. A morbid fascination or is it just a beautiful but terrifying thing?
It is beautiful. It’s born from the concentric symmetry of the device itself. The metals named after the Kings of Hell. The elegance of the physics. Of storms of neutrons denser than rock. Of X-rays that heat the air and push it to the opacity of lead…
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
The Last Argument Of Kings.
That's very poetic.
Or as Joe Abercrombie might put it:
That was the terrible justice, the awful beauty of it. They had awakened the Bomb. And, the Bomb has no favourites, the Bomb does not discriminate. It deals death, without favour or partiality. All the world is its lawful prey.
From Half the World etc? Quite liked that trilogy, but really disliked the final ending.
It's pretty downbeat. Brand was killed: Yarvi, revealed as a conniving shit. And Skara told the boyfriend who'd saved her life to take a hike.
Yes, I love his books but sometimes it can be too depressing to read how the characters you've come to like are awful...
The Age of Madness trilogy had the most depressing ending of all. The victorious faction were so awful that I actually found myself rooting for Bayaz (!) by the end.
And, even Abercrombie is upbeat, compared to K J Parker.
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The moment of truth, on this, hurtles towards them
On the one hand, Iran has sworn to annihilate Israel: so no way can the Jewish State allow Iran to get nukes
On the other hand, do they have much choice, if the USA is unwilling to assist in wiping out Iran's nuclear programme? And continue to do so, as the Iranians try again and again?
This may come down to a terrible decision for Bibi.
1 Accept Iran with nukes, which will always mean an existential threat always hangs over Israel, probably rendering Israel unviable = Iranian victory and total defeat for Israel
2 Launch a nuclear attack on Iran, in some desperate attempt to wipe out their nuclear capablity for the foreseeable
3 Attempt regime change by killing every single Iranian leader, and fuck what Trump says
If I was Bibi, I'd go for 3
Whatever Bibi says re regime change is just posturing and threats, the same as Iran postures with AI videos showing the White House in flames etc etc.
Irans problem, or at least the regimes problem, is that they’re losing. And badly. They can choose to save themselves as per what I suggested, or continue to hold out whilst losing their resources, face and ability to maintain themselves in the process. Israel would settle for complete nuke disarmament and live with Iran as it is. They’ve sparked them hard enough. And the Iranian regime knows that.
It may even teach the Iranian regime to play nice and not be such arseholes. Who knows?
Iran - being ruled by anti-Semitic freakaloid Islamofascist monks - might consider the ensuing deaths of, say, 20m Iranians, a fair price to pay for that outcome. No more Israel
Of course it is madness, but Jews know well that Germany, ostensibly one of the most civilised nations on earth, madly tried to eradicate all Jews in the world a few decades ago
The logic would be there's a tipping point where the middle ranks see commander after commander being wiped out and looking at promotion think it's time to support the people as they rise up.
But if Trump also refuses to take out Iran's nuclear capability, then Israel will surely think: fuck this, what have we got to lose - kill Khamenei and everyone else we can slot
his 5* suite in Muscat.
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1935548909805601020
A life of fanaticism, but also an early influence from Plato's Republic. His philosopher-kings seem to have inspired the idea of clerical rule.
If Iran wiped out Israel and Israel, in its dying moments, flung all it nukes at Tehran - a la Samson Doctrine - I imagine the USA would sigh and say Oh well, that's sad. As would China and Russia and the European powers, including us
What does any outside power gain from pouring in more nukes, after that tragic debacle? Nothing
I am guessing that is not really what Israel are after
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It's one thing defending Israel with great vigour - America is keen on that. It's quite another risking WW3 and the end of the world when Israel is already a smoking heap of ruins and Iran has been laid waste by Israeli nukes in revenge, with 15 million dead Iranians. Cui bono?
It would be a case of everyone tutting and sighing and tip-toeing away from outright global apocalypse
It's interesting how , early on in his life , he seems to have taken a similar direct, and obviously selective, influence from Plato as some Western dictators. Islamofascist, in this case then, is clearly not just rhetoric.
The temptation would be to liquify Teheran. But that's where the strongest anti-regime support is (barring non-Persian minorities).
Also. Why is Israel begging Trump to "finish the job" if it were able to do so itself?
This is why Egypt was first in the peace queue. The Aswan dam was bomb proofed - for conventional munitions. One nuke on the dam face would create a tidal wave that would wipe out the inhabited parts of Egypt. And coat the place in radioactive mud.
Edit : and Moscow has long been on the target list for the Sampson option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mRw8HbgDWw
Iran lacks any viable delivery mechanism, increasingly so considering Israel is taking out their launch vehicles. Any attack by them would therefore have to be a “ back of a van” job and if so the US wouldn’t take too kindly to nukes being delivered by UPS.
It's just so funny that TACO Trump is talking about taking another contra-Russian foreign policy decision in "two weeks". Like, is this scripted?
Now Zelensky says, completely deadpan, "Ideally, the war in Ukraine should end before the end of Trump's Presidency."
Only 2 nations have the number of nukes required to effectively wipe out the entire global population, the USA and Russia
My hypothesis was a first strike by Iran on Israel, in an attempt to end the Jewish state forever. Given the tiny size of Israel, I fear this is quite do-able for a nuclear-armed Iran led by insane theocratic Islamonazis consumed by loathing of Jews. And that is what Israel faces
So let's say Iran gets nukes and it puts them on enough missiles that it successfully hits Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat. That in effect is the end of Israel, as the whole country will be irradiated and uninhabitable for decades
What next? Israel, as it dies, will follow the Samson Option, it will pull down the temple, and launch all its nukes on Iran. I'm not sure it has enough to destroy all of Iran but it certainly has enough to demolish Tehran, Isfahan, Qom, and kills millions if not tens of millions of Iranians
What's next? At that point, with Israel dead and Iran a smoking ruin, will America launch MORE nukes to "punish" Iran further? Of course not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
For PB's F1 contingent. Ferrari considering setting up UK base.
The USA 1,770 deployed warheads, 3,700 total. Russia 1,718 deployed warheads, 4,309 total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
Russia has given up because it can't afford next generation AEW.
China is still building new systems.
Those Iranians who died in the initial strike would be the tip of the iceberg. There would be further deaths from radiation, and then starvation, as all transport and communications links broke down.
It quite likely has a larger nuclear arsenal than Britain.
Iranian yields and delivery optimisation would be far less considering their design hasn’t been tested or refined.
Joy unconfined.
It's very likely they do.
The other two (and we) aren't.
The largest pure fission plutonium bomb ever fired was French, at 225Kt I believe.
With access to 90% enriched uranium, the Americans fired Ivy King at 500Kt, the U.K. Orange Herald at 720Kt.
It’s worth noting that strategic weapons are now smaller than these yields - many modern strategic warheads are about the size of the French fission bomb above.
There are many indications (mainly tritium production) that Israel started building thermonuclear weapons. They would be lighter, cheaper and less vulnerable to predestination.
It is possible that they developed multistage *fission* weapons - the U.K. looked at this, when they were struggling with the H bomb. Essentially, an A bomb sets off another A bomb. Why? Well, the first bomb is used to compress the second. The first bomb is compressed by a few tens of kilos of explosive. The second by kilotons of nuclear energy. Which creates incredible efficiencies.
In any event, every expert thinks that Isreal has hundreds of weapons, in the 100Kt+ range. Probably thermonuclear.
Airbursts are optimal for flattening cities. Ground burst for hitting buried stuff.
In a nuclear war at the moment China could not wipe out the US but the US could wipe out China, whereas Russia could wipe out the US as well as the reverse.
Albeit Xi is rather less bellicose than Putin and more focused on expanding Chinese economic influence than getting involved in military conflict beyond possibly with Taiwan and Putin and Trump are on reasonably good terms
Well. The table thrown over anyway.
I was the arbiter at the time...
Amid its latest conflict with Iran, the Israeli military said it had eliminated a “threat” by killing Mohammad Ahmad Khreiss in an air strike.
Ditto for Monopoly, Scrabble...
This incident was in a chess congress with about 200 odd (in both senses) people in the room rather than on a family dining table.
I had a lot of sympathy with the board thrower as his opponent was being a [insert rude word here] but could do nothing about it without a formal request. [Rule 10.2 - claiming a draw when your opponent is not trying to win by normal means]
Chess can be quite a stressful game. I'm not sure WOPR had the right idea.
"Reform GAIN from Independent
Eastfield (North Yorkshire) council by-election result:
REF: 62.7% (+62.7)
LAB: 14.1% (-1.6)
SJP: 13.8% (+13.8)
CON: 4.7% (-1.8)
LDEM: 2.8% (-23.3)
No Ind (-46.4) as prev.
SJP: Social Justice Party
+/- 2023"
https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1935830946814517292
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935638560276926914
Too many non-working holidays in America. It is costing our Country $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don't want it either! Soon we'll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year. It must change if we are going to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Israelis and Palestinians are likely to die because of Bibi's personal need to escalate (to stay out of jail).
Fill up the cars!
Israel needs regime change. That’s the only other option, and it avoids nukes
Easier said than done, of course, but they could usefully start by zapping Khamenei
Forensically taking out the Iranian leaders and mullahs would also be a lot more popular with Joe Persian on the Isfahan Omnibus, as compared to carpet bombing Qom
"'This is it - time for England to be winners'"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c9w1k0q4gnxo
And what else can they do? The longer they wait the more missiles are coming for Israel and the more IASF jets wear out on that 2000km + round trip. The less fancy long range missiles they have. The less on the ground people, as the Iranians have supposedly started catching the drone pilots. Plus the Iranian air defence might be ramping up again.
The time has to be now else what was the point burning all the assets?
In the heart of the largest devices, the energies exceed those in supernova. The Tsar Bomba rang the bell for hundred light years for those with eyes to see. On alien worlds, maybe, they know we are here. Already.
There is no arguing with, or appeal from that fearful symmetry. No lawyers writ or politicians lies can do anything against the absoluteness of Teller-Ulam.
The Last Argument Of Kings.
IAF F-15A Baz "663", which achieved the first ever air-to-air combat kill for the F-15 when pilot Moshe Melnik shot down a Syrian MiG-21 with a Python-3 on 27 June 1979, is seen here almost exactly 46 years about to depart on a mission in support of Operation Rising Lion.
https://x.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1935778866389565580
Why? Because apparently Ferrari F1 have got a poor reputation as a workplace, especially if you are non-Italian. Top-level people get some protection, e.g. drivers or top-level staff, but for the grunts it can be awful, even when you learn Italian.
As an aside, being a low-level engineer in F1 is apparently a fairly unattractive prospect nowadays. The cost cap means that, unless you are the three top staff members, you get paid less than you can get in other areas of motorsport. The mandatory mid-season holiday means that if you don't have kids, you get forced to take holidays at the most expensive part of the year. The schedule for nine months of the year is incredibly hectic, yet the cost cap sometimes reduces the amount of useful work you can do.
A couple of decades ago, a young engineer would join an F1 team and, if good, would spend a couple of decades in the sport. Nowadays many just want it on their CV for a few years, then move to other areas of motorsport where the pay is better and you can actually build the stuff you design.
So it is bad enough without a toxic culture. Another site with a different work culture might prove incredibly useful for Ferrari. A UK site with the Ferrari culture would be of far less benefit.
Or as Joe Abercrombie might put it:
That was the terrible justice, the awful beauty of it. They had awakened the Bomb. And, the Bomb has no favourites, the Bomb does not discriminate. It deals death, without favour or partiality. All the world is its lawful prey.
And, even Abercrombie is upbeat, compared to K J Parker.