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  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,731
    Lammy and Labour in lockstep with public opinion on Israel/Palestine and is most of Europe

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/03/public-support-for-israel-in-western-europe-lowest-ever-recorded-yougov
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    So here’s a fun fact

    You know how the Danes have been wanking on and on about democracy and sovereignty and freedom to choose and “greenland has rights” and “how dare Trump ignore the people” and so on and on and on and on

    Turns out that the Faroes had an official referendum after world war 2. They narrowly voted for complete independence from Denmark. At first Denmark seemed to accept this then Denmark decided this was an insult the denmarks pride and they literally overruled the vote. They did a Lib Dem revoke on it. Who cares what the people think. Let’s act like Trump. They annulled the referendum and dissolved the Faroes parliament

    What utter steaming hypocrites

    Here's another fun fact - we've changed a bit since the 1940s, too.

    So no.
    And in the 1940s we were busy preventing a lot of places from being independent!

    What utterly steaming hypocrites we were. Particularly having given them British values* for centuries in the Caribbean and the like.

    *presumably British values like forced labour, loss of lands, rape, racial inequality and the like.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,831
    edited June 10
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    I think I mentioned I was there a few weeks ago :wink:

    Are you going to do the "sense of adventure" meal?
    What's that - raw puffin eggs on the sea cliff ?
    I had the wind dried fermented lamb. It's a bit like Fatty Biltong....
    MP for Southend-on-Sea, I believe. 😀

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    Can I be the first?

    Tuchel must go.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,371
    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
    I was more responding to his assertion that we shouldn't begrudge people spending 40 a week on entertainment when a lot of people working their asses off cant
    That was a different person.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101

    Can I be the first?

    Tuchel must go.

    I thank you...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    Yay, 2-2.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549
    Andy_JS said:

    Yay, 2-2.

    That's better!
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    edited June 10

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
    So looking at your list as a pensioner having bought a house back in the 70/80s when they were cheap

    200ct + 20phone +40net + 160 gas/electric no train + water 60 = £480 + £400 for food = £880 a month. Add a car for which insurance is going to be low you are looking at £120 max extra a month.

    So that is covered by your state pension - the rest is pocket money.

    And that is probably right as the m-i-l isn't rich but also isn't poor and can afford a holiday / 2 a year and trips out when she wants.

    My parents meanwhile have 6 cruises booked this year...

    As I emphasised previously there are 3 types of pensioners

    Those who are single and own their home - who are OK
    those where both people worked and are now living a live they couldn't afford previously
    and those who are in rented accommodation and struggling beyond measure

    I know all 3 types and 2 of them are my immediate family - luckly not the last type but I know a lot of them through Church..
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,542
    TOPPING said:

    So where are the Faroe Islands.

    The shipping forecast... between South East Iceland, Bailey, Fair Isle and Hebrides.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    edited June 10
    VAR chalks it off.

    Tuchel must go.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    Andy_JS said:

    Yay, 2-2.

    There is always the embarrassing result that the winner looks back on and says that was when the team jelled. I wonder if this is it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    You just knew the ref would make the wrong decision there.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549

    VAR chalks it off.

    Tuchel must go.

    Such is life...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,048
    TOPPING said:

    So where are the Faroe Islands.

    Above Scotland in the FIFA rankings?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
    I was more responding to his assertion that we shouldn't begrudge people spending 40 a week on entertainment when a lot of people working their asses off cant
    That was a different person.
    People should be free to spend their money how they choose. I don't expect everyone to make the same choices.

    I am sure P2 will enjoy the life of Riley on his State Pension.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,005
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It seems to me that spending £40 per week on modest pleasures and entertainments is entirely reasonable. Or should pensioners be expected to just huddle around the fire sipping bread and water on their own? Not even an occasional pint or fish and chips?
    The point is the rest of us shouldn’t be chipping in a fiver of it
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,731
    Andy_JS said:

    You just knew the ref would make the wrong decision there.

    I thought she got it right.....but it hardly matters now
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    England down 3-1.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
    I was more responding to his assertion that we shouldn't begrudge people spending 40 a week on entertainment when a lot of people working their asses off cant
    That was a different person.
    People should be free to spend their money how they choose. I don't expect everyone to make the same choices.

    I am sure P2 will enjoy the life of Riley on his State Pension.
    Absolutely people should feel free to spend their money how they choose.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
    I was more responding to his assertion that we shouldn't begrudge people spending 40 a week on entertainment when a lot of people working their asses off cant
    That was a different person.
    People should be free to spend their money how they choose. I don't expect everyone to make the same choices.

    I am sure P2 will enjoy the life of Riley on his State Pension.
    Naturally will be living the life of riley as my state pension + my dc pension....they might even between them come close to covering my bills. Of course food is not needed nor even 40 a week for moderate entertainment
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    First ever defeat to an African side.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,423
    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,567
    Holder smashed in the holder
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,805
    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    Maybe England can beat Windies in the cricket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live/cx261q49wj8t
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    He thinks the wrong side won the Civil War, and World War II.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,169

    First ever defeat to an African side.

    Pointless friendly with the England players at the end of 11 months of football and in need of a break.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,048
    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549
    3-1????

    3-1?????
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    I choose for my money I work for not to go to welfare for people who don't need it. I choose not to be taxed so much.

    Glad to have @Foxy on board as an ally, given his new found support for people being able to choose what happens with their own money.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,007

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    It's pretty much irrelevant anyway because Swinney wouldn't know what an independence strategy was if it hit him in the face. He's the political equivalent of a cricket nightwatchman, except there's no obvious big hitter waiting their turn.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    Eventually you can't offer independence as the solution to all the problems because 90% of the problems have your name all over them.

    And that's the position that the SNP finds themselves in - the money has run out and there is no possibility of taxing people any more.

    Hence the members seeking independence while the end result of a return to obscurity for a few year minimum is unavoidable. Especially as Reform will be more tham fulfilling the none of the above criteria.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,913

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    You appear to have missed my offer of a bet on your assertion that ‘No Way’ would the SNP be the largest party at Holyrood after the next election. Against such certainty I think I’d be entitled to ask for odds but I’m a generous soul so happy to take a straight evens bet. How say you?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    England down 3-1.

    I will repeat - There is always the embarrassing result that the winner looks back on and says that was when the team jelled. I wonder if this is it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?" - Stalin.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,805

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    Realistically, also guns...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    edited June 10
    eek said:

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    Eventually you can't offer independence as the solution to all the problems because 90% of the problems have your name all over them.

    And that's the position that the SNP finds themselves in - the money has run out and there is no possibility of taxing people any more.

    Hence the members seeking independence while the end result of a return to obscurity for a few year minimum is unavoidable. Especially as Reform will be more tham fulfilling the none of the above criteria.
    Reform taking over the devolved administrations but not Westminster would be very amusing.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,668

    First ever defeat to an African side.

    Surely we’ve lost to France before?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,805
    @andrewlearmonth

    A group of SNP rebels held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss replacing the FM after last week’s by-election defeat, The Herald has learned. They’ve given him 2 weeks to change course — or face a “bloodbath” at conference.



    Remember, this by-election 'win' was very bad news for Labour...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549
    edited June 10

    I choose for my money I work for not to go to welfare for people who don't need it. I choose not to be taxed so much.

    Glad to have @Foxy on board as an ally, given his new found support for people being able to choose what happens with their own money.

    "Why do they call it the Welfare State? Is it cos it's well fair?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YYroSudUs&t=1s
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    To quote the an article that actual told me the issue

    The (2 14 year olds) spoke through an interpreter in Romanian to confirm their names and ages.

    So it's immigration of the type we've had for 20 years not the most recent tyle
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    edited June 10

    eek said:

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    Eventually you can't offer independence as the solution to all the problems because 90% of the problems have your name all over them.

    And that's the position that the SNP finds themselves in - the money has run out and there is no possibility of taxing people any more.

    Hence the members seeking independence while the end result of a return to obscurity for a few year minimum is unavoidable. Especially as Reform will be more tham fulfilling the none of the above criteria.
    Reform taking over the devolved administrations but not Westminster would be very amusing.
    I think Reform have Wales, Scotland is going to be interesting as I expect the result to be one where no-one can govern with Reform / SNP / Labour on 26-30% of the seats and Tory / Lib Dems with 8-12% each.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    Realistically, also guns...
    Realistically, what guns?

    John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
  • First ever defeat to an African side.

    Surely we’ve lost to France before?
    What an abysmal performance..from players who didn't look they gave a toss..💩
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Given SCOTUS has already passed its own Enabling Judgment, anyone expecting SCOTUS to save America is so far in De Nile they may as well be in the Pharoah Islands.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    Realistically, also guns...
    Realistically, what guns?

    John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
    OTT but I was wrong yesterday regarding the Social Care Tax so I apologise to you @BartholomewRoberts ..
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,913

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    It's pretty much irrelevant anyway because Swinney wouldn't know what an independence strategy was if it hit him in the face. He's the political equivalent of a cricket nightwatchman, except there's no obvious big hitter waiting their turn.
    Wait a minute, I’m sure I read on PB that Kate Forbes was just the gal to get the voters flocking back.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,805
    @maggieNYT

    "Regarding Saturday’s parade, Mr. Trump made no distinction between the right to peacefully assemble that is guaranteed by the First Amendment and engaging in violence and vandalism."

    https://x.com/maggieNYT/status/1932544214815900142


    The Mad King is sooo far out of his lane I am starting to wonder if his future is trending Ceaușescu
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,567
    edited June 10
    So, are the courts going to go as hard on the Ballymena lot as they did on say the Manvers ?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    Realistically, also guns...
    Realistically, what guns?

    John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
    OTT but I was wrong yesterday regarding the Social Care Tax so I apologise to you @BartholomewRoberts ..
    Thank you.

    I was wrong about the dates on the NI changes the other day so let's call it a 1-1 draw. We both did better than Tuchel.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    Realistically, also guns...
    Realistically, what guns?

    John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
    OTT but I was wrong yesterday regarding the Social Care Tax so I apologise to you @BartholomewRoberts ..
    Edit to add - WTF point was there creating a new tax with the exact same collection criteria as national insurance beyond making things awkward for payroll providers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Read Biles' tweets.
    All she's asking is that they be treated as human beings. Those giving her shit just want trans folk to disappear.

    You're entitled to choose your side.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,805
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    A US federal court has issued a temporary restraining order limiting the deployment of troops in Los Angeles after Trump sent marines and the National Guard to the city.


    Meanwhile the Mad King is telling troops he is going to rename a bunch of bases back to the names of losers, I mean Confederates

    The troops have got guns. What has the court got?
    Realistically, also guns...
    Realistically, what guns?

    John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
    OTT but I was wrong yesterday regarding the Social Care Tax so I apologise to you @BartholomewRoberts ..
    Edit to add - WTF point was there creating a new tax with the exact same collection criteria as national insurance beyond making things awkward for payroll providers.
    Political spin to pretend NI wasn't going up, plus a trivial pittance from pensioners who work enough to reach the threshold on earned income.

    It was an awful policy and would have been ratcheted up further as it would have been the one tax with the most politically friendly name.

    Scrapping it was the one thing Truss did right.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    edited June 10
    Scott_xP said:
    Sign in required.

    No intention to register to see that, whatever that is.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,007

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    It's pretty much irrelevant anyway because Swinney wouldn't know what an independence strategy was if it hit him in the face. He's the political equivalent of a cricket nightwatchman, except there's no obvious big hitter waiting their turn.
    Wait a minute, I’m sure I read on PB that Kate Forbes was just the gal to get the voters flocking back.
    Of a fairly short list Forbes probably tops out as about the only real alternative to Swinney. Whether that changes the SNP trajectory or not is a different question, but seems quite reasonable that one should look at the headline Yes figures in the polls and then look at the SNP's polling and conclude that something's gone awry somewhere and Swinney isn't the person who's going to turn it all round.

    If they want to bleed out slowly, probably still be largest party in Holyrood 2026 but nowhere near a majority which leaves them essentially at the mercy of the other parties anyway, then they should definitely keep doing what they're doing just now. But the suspicion is they'd actually be kind of happy with that.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,905
    Scott_xP said:

    @maggieNYT

    "Regarding Saturday’s parade, Mr. Trump made no distinction between the right to peacefully assemble that is guaranteed by the First Amendment and engaging in violence and vandalism."

    https://x.com/maggieNYT/status/1932544214815900142


    The Mad King is sooo far out of his lane I am starting to wonder if his future is trending Ceaușescu

    Ceaușescu looking confused on the balcony just before Christmas 1990 is one of my key memorable political images. Suspect that Trump is too far gone to notice people booing him, let alone processing it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    Good thread on the situation in Georgia.
    Things have gone sideways since Leon's visit.

    A country once seen as the democratic bright spot of the post-Soviet space is now undergoing the fastest authoritarian regression in modern European history.
    🧵Here’s a thread to keep you updated on what’s happening - and why it matters...

    https://x.com/terjehelland/status/1932499708716445928


  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,731
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Read Biles' tweets.
    All she's asking is that they be treated as human beings. Those giving her shit just want trans folk to disappear.

    You're entitled to choose your side.
    I got an Uber the other day with a very obvious man dressed up as a woman. So masculine and large that it would be difficult to describe him as trans. Though I believe in live and let living I could understand how the experience might have been intimidating had I been a woman. It was slightly more odd as he/she only spoke French so it was difficult to judge how masculine the voice. Brave of Uber I suppose.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    So the hotel I staying in isn't great (as @Stuartinromford knows) but the staff have just come along and asked if I want another beer and you can't ask for anything more than waiting for the glass to be empty before asking).

    Plus it's a £5 a pint for something half decent (Camden Helles)..
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,007

    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.

    And >>10 years
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,371

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    Swinney also has a lot of ex Westminster MPs who are now candidates desperate to get back on the gravy train at Holyrood.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,309

    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.

    Who's on the hook for cost overruns? Presumably EDF didn't allow themselves to be this time after the Hinckley debacle...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615

    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.

    And >>10 years
    I'd be pleasantly surprised if it actually has outright planning approval and a single brick has been laid within a decade.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.

    And >>10 years
    Upside is Rolls Royce has got a mini nukes project - and I strongly suspect that will be the winning solution because continual production beats one off builds.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,309


    Per wikipedia, the time Labour say the last government spent not building it. Could it be quicker? Much. But to claim nothing was going on...
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    carnforth said:



    Per wikipedia, the time Labour say the last government spent not building it. Could it be quicker? Much. But to claim nothing was going on...

    One thing some Goverment needs to be is work out how to kill off 10 years of consultations for national strategic projects.

    it needs to be quick consultation as to location out of pick a, b or c (the French approach) and then parliamentary act to implement
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,668
    Scott_xP said:
    It's not visible to non Bluesky people.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    Scott_xP said:
    It's not visible to non Bluesky people.
    The text in the image that was linked

    Asked about Club World Cup ticket sales and team base camp arrangements, Manolo Zubiria, the World Cup's chief tournament officer, hung up four minutes and five questions into a telephone interview with The Associated Press. Brendan O'Connell, the publicist who arranged the interview, wrote in an email to the AP: "The guest was not prepared for those questions.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549
    Nigelb said:

    Good thread on the situation in Georgia.
    Things have gone sideways since Leon's visit.

    A country once seen as the democratic bright spot of the post-Soviet space is now undergoing the fastest authoritarian regression in modern European history.
    🧵Here’s a thread to keep you updated on what’s happening - and why it matters...

    https://x.com/terjehelland/status/1932499708716445928


    And Putin has occupied two regions of Georgia since 2008.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549
    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Read Biles' tweets.
    All she's asking is that they be treated as human beings. Those giving her shit just want trans folk to disappear.

    You're entitled to choose your side.
    I got an Uber the other day with a very obvious man dressed up as a woman. So masculine and large that it would be difficult to describe him as trans. Though I believe in live and let living I could understand how the experience might have been intimidating had I been a woman. It was slightly more odd as he/she only spoke French so it was difficult to judge how masculine the voice. Brave of Uber I suppose.
    Le Royston de Vasey?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,169
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Read Biles' tweets.
    All she's asking is that they be treated as human beings. Those giving her shit just want trans folk to disappear.

    You're entitled to choose your side.
    She’s doing a bit more than that. She’s being rather nasty to someone suggesting trans women shouldn’t be in womens sport.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    edited June 10

    I choose for my money I work for not to go to welfare for people who don't need it. I choose not to be taxed so much.

    Glad to have @Foxy on board as an ally, given his new found support for people being able to choose what happens with their own money.

    I support cutting the WFP. I just don't see that how people spend the rest of their money is any body's business than their own.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 994

    fitalass said:

    Herald - " Senior SNP figures held a secret meeting on Monday night to discuss removing John Swinney as party leader, The Herald has learned, following last week’s defeat in the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election.

    One of the 25 attendees said the First Minister had two weeks to come up with a new strategy on independence — or risk facing a leadership challenge at the SNP conference in October.

    They warned there could be a "clear out” in the internal elections, with challenges for key positions including depute leader and national secretary."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25229565.snp-rebels-bid-oust-swinney-by-election-defeat/

    Piss funny. “We’d be doing a lot better if we had a new plan to offer on independence”

    No, that’s what your hardline members want. What your voters - especially former voters - want is for you to fix schools, hospitals, councils, transport.

    What’s the proposal? I can’t see a dentist. Ah well we have this plan for independence in 10 years.
    It's pretty much irrelevant anyway because Swinney wouldn't know what an independence strategy was if it hit him in the face. He's the political equivalent of a cricket nightwatchman, except there's no obvious big hitter waiting their turn.
    Wait a minute, I’m sure I read on PB that Kate Forbes was just the gal to get the voters flocking back.
    Of a fairly short list Forbes probably tops out as about the only real alternative to Swinney. Whether that changes the SNP trajectory or not is a different question, but seems quite reasonable that one should look at the headline Yes figures in the polls and then look at the SNP's polling and conclude that something's gone awry somewhere and Swinney isn't the person who's going to turn it all round.

    If they want to bleed out slowly, probably still be largest party in Holyrood 2026 but nowhere near a majority which leaves them essentially at the mercy of the other parties anyway, then they should definitely keep doing what they're doing just now. But the suspicion is they'd actually be kind of happy with that.
    As someone with zero knowledge of Scottish politics I'd be really interested to know why John Swinney is so disliked. On the very few times he ever troubles the news I'm England he always sounds reasonably competent and reassuring. Maybe I just think that because he looks like one of my lovely ex colleagues.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    edited June 10
    So I'm in Romford and ITV's local news is saying that TfL not getting funding tomorrow is a snub to London.

    Well it may be but the rest of the country is owed the equivalent of the Lizzie line funding and given how stupid this (and previous) Governments have been it's an either / or* decision and Liverpool / Manchester** have won.

    ** because building Manchester Piccadilly's underground terminal & tunnel that is essential for the project and "accidently" makes HS2 way more viable sorts out a lot of problems.

    * it shouldn't be an either or but we need a Government to create regional authorities and then give them actual responsibility, delegate responsibility and some tax raising authority .
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    Hard to buy a house as a single person these days, did own co own a house till 2003 with the gf but we split up and she got half. Couldn't afford to buy after that
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,309
    edited June 10

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    I agree. I'm making lowish pension contributions until I own a flat - against conventional wisdom and the 25% top-up on SIPP contributions. Partly for the security of not being thrown out, of course. Can you imagine two months' notice at age 89?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,142

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,831
    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Read Biles' tweets.
    All she's asking is that they be treated as human beings. Those giving her shit just want trans folk to disappear.

    You're entitled to choose your side.
    I got an Uber the other day with a very obvious man dressed up as a woman. So masculine and large that it would be difficult to describe him as trans. Though I believe in live and let living I could understand how the experience might have been intimidating had I been a woman. It was slightly more odd as he/she only spoke French so it was difficult to judge how masculine the voice. Brave of Uber I suppose.
    I'm not sure how Uber works. Was this person the driver?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,698
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    So here’s a fun fact

    You know how the Danes have been wanking on and on about democracy and sovereignty and freedom to choose and “greenland has rights” and “how dare Trump ignore the people” and so on and on and on and on

    Turns out that the Faroes had an official referendum after world war 2. They narrowly voted for complete independence from Denmark. At first Denmark seemed to accept this then Denmark decided this was an insult the denmarks pride and they literally overruled the vote. They did a Lib Dem revoke on it. Who cares what the people think. Let’s act like Trump. They annulled the referendum and dissolved the Faroes parliament

    What utter steaming hypocrites

    Here's another fun fact - we've changed a bit since the 1940s, too.

    So no.
    Not an absolute majority, because of invalid votes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_Faroese_independence_referendum
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    eek said:

    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.

    And >>10 years
    Upside is Rolls Royce has got a mini nukes project - and I strongly suspect that will be the winning solution because continual production beats one off builds.
    Hmmm. The US Nuscale mini-nukes project got canned in 2023 because the economics didn't work.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101

    eek said:

    Laughable that the Government is trotting out a £14 billion cost for Sizewell C.

    It will be three times that.

    And >>10 years
    Upside is Rolls Royce has got a mini nukes project - and I strongly suspect that will be the winning solution because continual production beats one off builds.
    Hmmm. The US Nuscale mini-nukes project got canned in 2023 because the economics didn't work.
    The costs had surged 53%.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    Pagan2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
    More annoys me I did the right thing and suspect unlikely to see a single penny of benefit from it
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,309
    Pagan2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
    If you use the proceeds to buy a property, and then equity release it, probably not.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,668
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    It's not visible to non Bluesky people.
    The text in the image that was linked

    Asked about Club World Cup ticket sales and team base camp arrangements, Manolo Zubiria, the World Cup's chief tournament officer, hung up four minutes and five questions into a telephone interview with The Associated Press. Brendan O'Connell, the publicist who arranged the interview, wrote in an email to the AP: "The guest was not prepared for those questions.
    Oh I was expecting something about Trump declaring martial law.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    Hard to buy a house as a single person these days, did own co own a house till 2003 with the gf but we split up and she got half. Couldn't afford to buy after that
    Really - my 22 (at the time) daughter did exactly that.

    Paying the mortgage off is harder but equally she has 30k of house improvements to pay for so tenants in the 2 spare bedrooms will cover those costs.

    Plus she's generous - both students / tenants will be paying well below market rates next year, especially the one who was begging for a discount and even afterwards trying to minimise the weeks she had to pay for,
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,831

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Read Biles' tweets.
    All she's asking is that they be treated as human beings. Those giving her shit just want trans folk to disappear.

    You're entitled to choose your side.
    I got an Uber the other day with a very obvious man dressed up as a woman. So masculine and large that it would be difficult to describe him as trans. Though I believe in live and let living I could understand how the experience might have been intimidating had I been a woman. It was slightly more odd as he/she only spoke French so it was difficult to judge how masculine the voice. Brave of Uber I suppose.
    Le Royston de Vasey?
    BabsCabs! Oh, jumpers for goalposts...
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    carnforth said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
    If you use the proceeds to buy a property, and then equity release it, probably not.
    I doubt even if I drewdown the lot it still wouldn't be enough for a house
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,309
    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
    If you use the proceeds to buy a property, and then equity release it, probably not.
    I doubt even if I drewdown the lot it still wouldn't be enough for a house
    I hear Hull is nice.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    edited June 10
    Leon said:

    So here’s a fun fact

    You know how the Danes have been wanking on and on about democracy and sovereignty and freedom to choose and “greenland has rights” and “how dare Trump ignore the people” and so on and on and on and on

    Turns out that the Faroes had an official referendum after world war 2. They narrowly voted for complete independence from Denmark. At first Denmark seemed to accept this then Denmark decided this was an insult the denmarks pride and they literally overruled the vote. They did a Lib Dem revoke on it. Who cares what the people think. Let’s act like Trump. They annulled the referendum and dissolved the Faroes parliament

    What utter steaming hypocrites

    Reminds me of the way Sweden voted in a referendum against changing to driving on the right in about 1960, and the Swedish government responded by ignoring the vote and changing it anyway.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    eek said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    Hard to buy a house as a single person these days, did own co own a house till 2003 with the gf but we split up and she got half. Couldn't afford to buy after that
    Really - my 22 (at the time) daughter did exactly that.

    Paying the mortgage off is harder but equally she has 30k of house improvements to pay for so tenants in the 2 spare bedrooms will cover those costs.

    Plus she's generous - both students / tenants will be paying well below market rates next year, especially the one who was begging for a discount and even afterwards trying to minimise the weeks she had to pay for,
    Her name was on the deeds to because I am stupid, she forced the sale as I couldn't buy her out. She picked the wrong time for me as I was made redundant so couldn't even remortgage to buy her out (I hasten to add in her defence it wasn't the redundancy we had been rocky the last year before that and was always heading that way)
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296
    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
    If you use the proceeds to buy a property, and then equity release it, probably not.
    I doubt even if I drewdown the lot it still wouldn't be enough for a house
    £80,000 will get you a 2 bed terrace in Darlington that I would happily BTL.

    Hit the villages in county durham and it will be less than that.

    Separately we drove through North Cumbria on Sunday (heading slowly to Ambleside from Glasgow) and there were some very acceptable houses for £200,000 ish. and a 8 bedroom farm house that was tempting for £350,000 if it wasn't for a place in Llanfairfechan I'm actually really tempted to buy for it's sea front location).
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,968
    carnforth said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    See one thing that annoys me, I have built up a pension pot just over 200k over the years by forgoing money from my wages.

    Currently my bills however are 21144 a year before food , clothing , entertainment

    not much I can do to reduce them

    I suspect when I retire and get a state pension and a non index linked annuity of about 11k which is what they are predicting I can get....well I am thinking I am a fool for saving that money as I am not likely going to be any better off for doing so than someone who put away nothing over the years, indeed possibly worse off as they will probably be eligible for benefits I wont get like free prescriptions etc.

    I think you'd be much better off if instead of a pension pot you had a house, which shows everything wrong with this country.

    Whats the point in putting away 200k to get an annuity which will then be spent on rent?
    You don't have to get an annuity.
    But... assuming you're over 55 pagan2, spunk the lot in lump sum and drawdown having fun then go on pension credit and housing benefit.. it makes sense
    I am sure there will be a rule somewhere about depriving yourself of income
    If you use the proceeds to buy a property, and then equity release it, probably not.
    I doubt even if I drewdown the lot it still wouldn't be enough for a house
    I hear Hull is nice.
    I am however tied down here as my father is in a home here
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