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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528
    edited June 10
    Leon said:

    The sea urchin toast is better than any dish I had in a week in wealthy Luxembourg

    "Oh, you're brave. They say that sea urchin's the ultimate acquired taste. I think people are put off by how it feeds through its bottom."
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    The sea urchin toast is better than any dish I had in a week in wealthy Luxembourg

    The creamy orange gonads are piped onto a slice of burnt brioche soaked in soy sauce. Superb

    I knew it. I knew the food here would be better than Luxembourg. So far so good

    What’s the booze like ?
    If it’s like Iceland expensive
    Why do mums go there then?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    Leon said:

    The sea urchin toast is better than any dish I had in a week in wealthy Luxembourg

    "Oh, you're brave. They say that sea urchin's the ultimate acquired taste. I think people are put off by how it feeds through its bottom."
    Or perhaps that the edible and delicious bit is literally the bright orange gonads

    I love them
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,718
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    33m

    DNI Tulsi Gabbard repeats Putin’s talking points today, releasing an unhinged video where she claims that “political elites” want a nuclear war with Russia because they have sophisticated bomb shelters that will help them survive it.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1932464516480262438

    Perhaps she's just leaking Trump's plans. He's obviously the US political elite these days, and he's quite clearly itching to go to condition orange (aka chaos).

    Very odd.
    Well NATO isnt pushing 5% for peace, it's intending to fight a war
    It's intending to end a war and deter a follow up.
    Hmm. Arms races often end in war. Sooner or later the generals want to play with their new toys.
    This one started with a war.
    If Europe doesn't rearm then it's hard to say where Russia would stop.
    As I said.

    “Russia Won’t End Ukraine War Until NATO ‘Pulls Out’ of the Baltics.”

    This is what happens when weakness invites aggression...

    https://x.com/rshereme/status/1932463745802088565
    Why would NATO want to end the Ukraine war when its killing so many Russians and destroying so much Russian equipment ?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    The sea urchin toast is better than any dish I had in a week in wealthy Luxembourg

    The creamy orange gonads are piped onto a slice of burnt brioche soaked in soy sauce. Superb

    I knew it. I knew the food here would be better than Luxembourg. So far so good

    What’s the booze like ?
    If it’s like Iceland expensive
    Why do mums go there then?
    Pass not been in to a store in decades. Been to the country fairly often and often not to do much - Reykjavik is great for a few days of not doing anything at all
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,302
    I guess I need to start writing articles on why Bobby J is awesome.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,811
    edited June 10

    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    33m

    DNI Tulsi Gabbard repeats Putin’s talking points today, releasing an unhinged video where she claims that “political elites” want a nuclear war with Russia because they have sophisticated bomb shelters that will help them survive it.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1932464516480262438

    But...that's the plot of "Fallout" 🤔
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(American_TV_series)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528
    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,650

    I guess I need to start writing articles on why Bobby J is awesome.

    Was there a ceremony where Jenrick received the mantle?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564
    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,699
    edited June 10
    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Purely political. If they had gone with £20k, you can be sure Reform and the Tories would be saying it should be closer to £25k. £35k so high there is not much point arguing for those above to get it, nor will anyone dare make the sensible case it should be much lower.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    eek said:

    So Dave (pbuh) and George think Robert Jenrick is the man to save the Tories.

    Yet Robert thinks arguing about low skilled migration that he was in the cabinet when it happened on mass is a great vote winner

    It may be a vote winner but it won’t help the Tories if he’s their leader
    They say there's more join in heaven over one sinner that repenteth ...

    If he's leader and takes a clear stand which the public listens to, I think the public will judge him on that. The bigger issue is getting the public to even listen to what any Tory has to say.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,699
    eek said:

    So Dave (pbuh) and George think Robert Jenrick is the man to save the Tories.

    Yet Robert thinks arguing about low skilled migration that he was in the cabinet when it happened on mass is a great vote winner

    It may be a vote winner but it won’t help the Tories if he’s their leader
    It is indeed a big vote winner, just that the beneficiary will be Reform taking further votes from the Tories.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,893
    edited June 10
    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Is it some kind of "it's a cheap threshold to use becuase it can piggyback off the existing tax system" thing? Flip knows why.

    (Though there was also the More In Common polling that put the publicly acceptable cutoff somewhere between 20k and 50k.)

    But ultimately, it's housing costs that matter, because it's always housing costs.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,650
    David Bull has doubled down on GB News and said that Britain is an "island of immigrants".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,020
    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301
    edited June 10

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Last year I spent about £24000 including £8400 in rent. I run a car. I go on multiple holidays. No dependents.

    (I earned more than that, I'm just saving hard.)

    £35000 with no rent or mortgage is plenty comfortable for a couple.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Purely political. If they had gone with £20k, you can be sure Reform and the Tories would be saying it should be closer to £25k. £35k so high there is not much point arguing for those above to get it, nor will anyone dare make the sensible case it should be much lower.
    So to recap....they have removed wfa from very few people yet encouraged about 800k to claim more money so they saved in the region of?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,204
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    33m

    DNI Tulsi Gabbard repeats Putin’s talking points today, releasing an unhinged video where she claims that “political elites” want a nuclear war with Russia because they have sophisticated bomb shelters that will help them survive it.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1932464516480262438

    Perhaps she's just leaking Trump's plans. He's obviously the US political elite these days, and he's quite clearly itching to go to condition orange (aka chaos).

    Very odd.
    Well NATO isnt pushing 5% for peace, it's intending to fight a war
    It's intending to end a war and deter a follow up.
    Hmm. Arms races often end in war. Sooner or later the generals want to play with their new toys.
    This one started with a war.
    If Europe doesn't rearm then it's hard to say where Russia would stop.
    As I said.

    “Russia Won’t End Ukraine War Until NATO ‘Pulls Out’ of the Baltics.”

    This is what happens when weakness invites aggression...

    https://x.com/rshereme/status/1932463745802088565
    Upside for the Baltics is that the war is being fought in someone else’s land mainly using someone else’s army
    Unless Ukraine falls, in which case they're next.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564

    David Bull has doubled down on GB News and said that Britain is an "island of immigrants".

    I didn't expect him to talk in this way. I wonder what Farage thinks of it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    "Born again, and still wet behind the ears." As someone once said of those newly called to Christ.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,811
    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Hmm well as a single person rent and bills come to about 22k a year before I even think of food, clothing or holidays and I dont run a car so I wonder where you are living thats that cheap
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,020
    edited June 10
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    "Born again, and still wet behind the ears." As someone once said of those newly called to Christ.
    No - “The bright, hard eyes of those who’ve found their Truth. And will, unflinchingly, sacrifice you to it.”
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Hmm well as a single person rent and bills come to about 22k a year before I even think of food, clothing or holidays and I dont run a car so I wonder where you are living thats that cheap
    Take away rent and redo the maths.

    It always comes back to housing.

    And we're giving benefits to people who aren't paying for it!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152

    So Dave (pbuh) and George think Robert Jenrick is the man to save the Tories.

    Is the Conservative Party at the "Take this arsenic- yes it's toxic, but it just might cure your cancer" stage?
    I assume you know that arsenic trioxide is front line treatment for certain types of leukemia in the US and a second/third line in the U.K.? If I ever relapse I am confident that I would embrace arsenic. There used to be a treatment in the 19th century called Fowlers Solution, which contained arsenic. It’s plausible that it was used to successfully treat leukemia - certainly there are reports that it is the only option used to have any success.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301
    edited June 10

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    "Born again, and still wet behind the ears." As someone once said of those newly called to Christ.
    No - “The bright, hard eyes of those who’ve found their Truth. And are looking for sacrifices to it.”
    This is a problem for a young homosexual at university. There are two kinds of handsome young men who catch your eye and smile on the streets on a university town: other gays, and evangelical Christian Union members. Awkwardness all around!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,699
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Purely political. If they had gone with £20k, you can be sure Reform and the Tories would be saying it should be closer to £25k. £35k so high there is not much point arguing for those above to get it, nor will anyone dare make the sensible case it should be much lower.
    So to recap....they have removed wfa from very few people yet encouraged about 800k to claim more money so they saved in the region of?
    Yes, and pissed off those in favour of the winter fuel cap, those in favour of it being removed for most pensioners and those who dislike weak governments in u-turns. Political madness all around.

    Personally, despite wanting WFA means tested at around 20k, am quite happy that 800k more of those pensioners eligible for pension credit are now doing so. That is a good thing, even if it costs the taxpayer. Also, at least the issue of what we can afford to dole out to pensioners has been raised in the public consciousness, even if hardly no progress was made in balancing it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Luke Tryl seems very adept at getting publicity for himself and his polls but they never seem as relevant or well framed as Yougov's. This one seems completely potty.

    It's like casting Billie Piper as The Doctor
    It's genuinely stupid but garners clicks
    Of course we don't know if she has been cast as the Dr yet, do we.
    We do, it was officially confirmed on Doctor Who: Unleashed.
    I'm not sure that's true. In fact, the ambiguity of RTD's comments make me think it's not so. Or has there been another ep since the regen ep, with Ncuti etc al lying thru their teeth?
    ..
    Yes I am with you on this. TSE is being decieved.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Hmm well as a single person rent and bills come to about 22k a year before I even think of food, clothing or holidays and I dont run a car so I wonder where you are living thats that cheap
    Take away rent and redo the maths.

    It always comes back to housing.

    And we're giving benefits to people who aren't paying for it!
    I would love to take away rent sadly I cant as I need to pay it. I am guessing eek lives in a paid off home to only spend that little
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528
    edited June 10
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    Fun fact: Britain occupied the Faroes between 1940 and 1945.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    edited June 10
    So here’s a fun fact

    You know how the Danes have been wanking on and on about democracy and sovereignty and freedom to choose and “greenland has rights” and “how dare Trump ignore the people” and so on and on and on and on

    Turns out that the Faroes had an official referendum after world war 2. They narrowly voted for complete independence from Denmark. At first Denmark seemed to accept this then Denmark decided this was an insult the denmarks pride and they literally overruled the vote. They did a Lib Dem revoke on it. Who cares what the people think. Let’s act like Trump. They annulled the referendum and dissolved the Faroes parliament

    What utter steaming hypocrites
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,302
    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    In my experience the most 'devout' people are either converts or people who very unIslamic in the early part of their lives.

    Thankfully I have been a very observant Muslim my entire life so no chance of me being radicalised.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564
    edited June 10
    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    What was the forward ferret so-to-speak? I've read the tweet but can't work it out.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301
    Have you been to the underground roundabout yet Leon?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,542
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    I think I mentioned I was there a few weeks ago :wink:

    Are you going to do the "sense of adventure" meal?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,811

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    Fun fact: Britain occupied the Faroes between 1940 and 1945.
    It also occupied Iceland. To prevent Germany getting it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    What was the forward ferret so-to-speak? I've read the tweet but can't work it out.
    One would assume Riley is a boy pretending to be a girl in gymnastics.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,542
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    33m

    DNI Tulsi Gabbard repeats Putin’s talking points today, releasing an unhinged video where she claims that “political elites” want a nuclear war with Russia because they have sophisticated bomb shelters that will help them survive it.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1932464516480262438

    Perhaps she's just leaking Trump's plans. He's obviously the US political elite these days, and he's quite clearly itching to go to condition orange (aka chaos).

    Very odd.
    Well NATO isnt pushing 5% for peace, it's intending to fight a war
    It's intending to end a war and deter a follow up.
    Hmm. Arms races often end in war. Sooner or later the generals want to play with their new toys.
    This one started with a war.
    If Europe doesn't rearm then it's hard to say where Russia would stop.
    As I said.

    “Russia Won’t End Ukraine War Until NATO ‘Pulls Out’ of the Baltics.”

    This is what happens when weakness invites aggression...

    https://x.com/rshereme/status/1932463745802088565
    Upside for the Baltics is that the war is being fought in someone else’s land mainly using someone else’s army
    Unless Ukraine falls, in which case they're next.
    If Ukraine falls, we are all next.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,810

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
  • novanova Posts: 842
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Purely political. If they had gone with £20k, you can be sure Reform and the Tories would be saying it should be closer to £25k. £35k so high there is not much point arguing for those above to get it, nor will anyone dare make the sensible case it should be much lower.
    So to recap....they have removed wfa from very few people yet encouraged about 800k to claim more money so they saved in the region of?
    At least part of the original WFA decision was performance. In hindsight, a daft decision, but I suspect they thought it was a fairly safe option for looking "tough" on benefits and the finances.

    As for the the 800k - surely that's what a Labour party should be doing? Plus, whenever a minister was asked at the time they said they were relaxed about it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301
    edited June 10

    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    What was the forward ferret so-to-speak? I've read the tweet but can't work it out.
    One would assume Riley is a boy pretending to be a girl in gymnastics.
    One more separation:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Gaines
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    I like Deltics. Even the really clunky N gauge one Lima made in the 1970’s.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    "Born again, and still wet behind the ears." As someone once said of those newly called to Christ.
    No - “The bright, hard eyes of those who’ve found their Truth. And are looking for sacrifices to it.”
    This is a problem for a young homosexual at university. There are two kinds of handsome young men who catch your eye and smile on the streets on a university town: other gays, and evangelical Christian Union members. Awkwardness all around!
    I imagine that's a Venn Diagram with an overlap.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,810

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    I like Deltics. Even the really clunky N gauge one Lima made in the 1970’s.
    HEATHEN !!!! I cast thee down into the vilest pits of Swindon!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    Fun fact: Britain occupied the Faroes between 1940 and 1945.
    It also occupied Iceland. To prevent Germany getting it.
    Fun fact there is a statue in reykavik in the harbour put up in 2014 and one of my names is inscribed on it
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,509
    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    Fun fact: Britain occupied the Faroes between 1940 and 1945.
    It also occupied Iceland. To prevent Germany getting it.
    Fun fact there is a statue in reykavik in the harbour put up in 2014 and one of my names is inscribed on it
    Mine too ;)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,810
    An interesting video from a professional civil engineer on the Crimean bridge attack.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbt8z-kOY4

    As I suggested after the attack, it probably has not done much damage. Sadly...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    I think I mentioned I was there a few weeks ago :wink:

    Are you going to do the "sense of adventure" meal?
    Isn’t it great? Ok I’m not paying and getting treated like a king - and I’ve only been here half a day - but still it’s fab. Just enough tourists to ensure nice restaurants and bars but not enough to make it feel remotely overrun - which Iceland can do
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    Fun fact: Britain occupied the Faroes between 1940 and 1945.
    It also occupied Iceland. To prevent Germany getting it.
    Iceland briefly 1940-41, then handing over responsibility to the USA. Greenland was US-occupied 1941-1945.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    nova said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Purely political. If they had gone with £20k, you can be sure Reform and the Tories would be saying it should be closer to £25k. £35k so high there is not much point arguing for those above to get it, nor will anyone dare make the sensible case it should be much lower.
    So to recap....they have removed wfa from very few people yet encouraged about 800k to claim more money so they saved in the region of?
    At least part of the original WFA decision was performance. In hindsight, a daft decision, but I suspect they thought it was a fairly safe option for looking "tough" on benefits and the finances.

    As for the the 800k - surely that's what a Labour party should be doing? Plus, whenever a minister was asked at the time they said they were relaxed about it.
    I am not at all thinking all the people that could be claiming pension credit have now been encouraged to....just somewhat amused that the money saving idea especially with the u turn has done very much the opposite in fact wouldn't be surprised if as I remember the 2.3 billion saving has turned into a 2.3 billion loss
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,738
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    If you are in the Faroes for the Knockers' Gazette, you need to write about tunnels between islands, and fulminate about why the Scottish Islands have not got any.

    And visit the world's only undersea roundabout - 600ft down from the surface.

    My piccie:

  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,542
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    I think I mentioned I was there a few weeks ago :wink:

    Are you going to do the "sense of adventure" meal?
    Isn’t it great? Ok I’m not paying and getting treated like a king - and I’ve only been here half a day - but still it’s fab. Just enough tourists to ensure nice restaurants and bars but not enough to make it feel remotely overrun - which Iceland can do
    I had the luck of incredible weather too. Go explore away from Torshavn. The tunnels are incredible, North from Grindavik it get pretty wild. Makes the West Highlands look as gentle as Surrey.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    I like Deltics. Even the really clunky N gauge one Lima made in the 1970’s.
    HEATHEN !!!! I cast thee down into the vilest pits of Swindon!
    I crawled out of them 50 years ago and I’ve not intention of going back. But there is something magnificent about the look of the deltic, even if they were a bit rubbish.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It seems to me that spending £40 per week on modest pleasures and entertainments is entirely reasonable. Or should pensioners be expected to just huddle around the fire sipping bread and water on their own? Not even an occasional pint or fish and chips?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    If you are in the Faroes for the Knockers' Gazette, you need to write about tunnels between islands, and fulminate about why the Scottish Islands have not got any.

    And visit the world's only undersea roundabout - 600ft down from the surface.

    My piccie:

    Either that photo has been flipped or they are driving on the wrong side of the road…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,020

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    Just because the heretics who dislike Deltics will be burnt to purify their souls, doesn’t make me a a fanatic. Just & Fair really.

    Now let us contemplate the Holy Trinity


  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,738

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    If you are in the Faroes for the Knockers' Gazette, you need to write about tunnels between islands, and fulminate about why the Scottish Islands have not got any.

    And visit the world's only undersea roundabout - 600ft down from the surface.

    My piccie:

    Either that photo has been flipped or they are driving on the wrong side of the road…
    AIUI they drive on the right where the sign points.

    The vehicle you can see is parked on the shoulder.

    I sometimes wonder if the future of the Falklands could be like the Faroes.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    Just because the heretics who dislike Deltics will be burnt to purify their souls, doesn’t make me a a fanatic. Just & Fair really.

    Now let us contemplate the Holy Trinity


    Which one's Nick Palmer?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It seems to me that spending £40 per week on modest pleasures and entertainments is entirely reasonable. Or should pensioners be expected to just huddle around the fire sipping bread and water on their own? Not even an occasional pint or fish and chips?
    You realise a lot of people working full time can't afford 40£ a week on modest pleasures?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,296

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It seems to me that spending £40 per week on modest pleasures and entertainments is entirely reasonable. Or should pensioners be expected to just huddle around the fire sipping bread and water on their own? Not even an occasional pint or fish and chips?
    £40 per week of their own money? Absolutely reasonable.

    Of welfare that others don't get? Nope.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564
    England 1
    Senegal 1
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,811
    edited June 10

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    Just because the heretics who dislike Deltics will be burnt to purify their souls, doesn’t make me a a fanatic. Just & Fair really.

    Now let us contemplate the Holy Trinity


    I never understood this. Two axles are rotating clockwise, one is rotating anticlockwise. What is the purpose of this?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    If you are in the Faroes for the Knockers' Gazette, you need to write about tunnels between islands, and fulminate about why the Scottish Islands have not got any.

    And visit the world's only undersea roundabout - 600ft down from the surface.

    My piccie:

    Either that photo has been flipped or they are driving on the wrong side of the road…
    AIUI they drive on the right where the sign points.

    The vehicle you can see is parked on the shoulder.

    I sometimes wonder if the future of the Falklands could be like the Faroes.
    There is a similarity. Both are wealthy from fish. And maybe one day oil

    But the Falklanders are much keener to remain British than the Faroese are to remain Danish
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,787
    @jdpoc

    And ANOTHER ONE gone.

    #Reform in #Kent KICKS councillor Daniel Taylor, OUT OF THE PARTY, with immediate effect ... “due to a very sensitive set of circumstances”. Which is pretty vague.

    What are Reform not saying ?

    https://x.com/jdpoc/status/1932453509053419915
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    I have a predilection for the late-1930s/1940s electric trains with sliding doors, such as the main line Class 306, 502, 503 and 506, and the London Underground O/P/Q38/R, and 1938 stock.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,204

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    Scott_xP said:

    @jdpoc

    And ANOTHER ONE gone.

    #Reform in #Kent KICKS councillor Daniel Taylor, OUT OF THE PARTY, with immediate effect ... “due to a very sensitive set of circumstances”. Which is pretty vague.

    What are Reform not saying ?

    https://x.com/jdpoc/status/1932453509053419915

    I asked another poster this - are other parties seeing a loss of elected councillors but no one cares, or is this genuinely a thing. The comparison is air accidents in the USA…
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It seems to me that spending £40 per week on modest pleasures and entertainments is entirely reasonable. Or should pensioners be expected to just huddle around the fire sipping bread and water on their own? Not even an occasional pint or fish and chips?
    You realise a lot of people working full time can't afford 40£ a week on modest pleasures?
    If I working 37.5 hours a week for example...if I was earning 15£ an hour....after paying bills but no food or clothing would be left with 46£ a week
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564
    England 1
    Senegal 2
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,204
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    I think I mentioned I was there a few weeks ago :wink:

    Are you going to do the "sense of adventure" meal?
    What's that - raw puffin eggs on the sea cliff ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,101
    Scott_xP said:

    @jdpoc

    And ANOTHER ONE gone.

    #Reform in #Kent KICKS councillor Daniel Taylor, OUT OF THE PARTY, with immediate effect ... “due to a very sensitive set of circumstances”. Which is pretty vague.

    What are Reform not saying ?

    https://x.com/jdpoc/status/1932453509053419915

    It's much mre fun to devise your own notion as to what "a very sensitive set of circumstances" might be.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,924
    So where are the Faroe Islands.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,204
    edited June 10
    Leon said:

    So here’s a fun fact

    You know how the Danes have been wanking on and on about democracy and sovereignty and freedom to choose and “greenland has rights” and “how dare Trump ignore the people” and so on and on and on and on

    Turns out that the Faroes had an official referendum after world war 2. They narrowly voted for complete independence from Denmark. At first Denmark seemed to accept this then Denmark decided this was an insult the denmarks pride and they literally overruled the vote. They did a Lib Dem revoke on it. Who cares what the people think. Let’s act like Trump. They annulled the referendum and dissolved the Faroes parliament

    What utter steaming hypocrites

    Here's another fun fact - we've changed a bit since the 1940s, too.

    So no.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,000

    Scott_xP said:

    @jdpoc

    And ANOTHER ONE gone.

    #Reform in #Kent KICKS councillor Daniel Taylor, OUT OF THE PARTY, with immediate effect ... “due to a very sensitive set of circumstances”. Which is pretty vague.

    What are Reform not saying ?

    https://x.com/jdpoc/status/1932453509053419915

    It's much mre fun to devise your own notion as to what "a very sensitive set of circumstances" might be.
    Circumstances might be a euphemism in itself. Very sensitive. Matron.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,301
    TOPPING said:

    So where are the Faroe Islands.

    Closer to the UK than Denmark. So, really...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    TOPPING said:

    So where are the Faroe Islands.

    Near the part of Egypt where spelling is really bad.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,020
    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    Just because the heretics who dislike Deltics will be burnt to purify their souls, doesn’t make me a a fanatic. Just & Fair really.

    Now let us contemplate the Holy Trinity


    I never understood this. Two axles are rotating clockwise, one is rotating anticlockwise. What is the purpose of this?
    The red(ish) bits are pistons. Push towards each other in 3 separate cylinders.

    This gives you lots of compression in each cylinder (lots of power out of each cylinder).

    The layout gives you lots of power in a compact space.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564

    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    What was the forward ferret so-to-speak? I've read the tweet but can't work it out.
    One would assume Riley is a boy pretending to be a girl in gymnastics.
    Thanks.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,810

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    I have a predilection for the late-1930s/1940s electric trains with sliding doors, such as the main line Class 306, 502, 503 and 506, and the London Underground O/P/Q38/R, and 1938 stock.
    Those sorts of units were workhorses, many of which lasted decades. They were successes. The Deltics lasted barely 20 years before they were rightly sent to the knackers yard.

    We enthusiasts tend to prefer the truly oddball one-offs, or the really fast locos, over the everyday stock that carried vastly more people or freight. And as an exception to that, I salute you! :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,894
    Andy_JS said:

    England 1
    Senegal 2

    Southgate must explain.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528
    Andy_JS said:

    England 1
    Senegal 2

    Ouch!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    What was the forward ferret so-to-speak? I've read the tweet but can't work it out.
    One would assume Riley is a boy pretending to be a girl in gymnastics.
    Thanks.
    Please note that I was wrong on this, although the row IS about trans in sport.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,529
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,564
    edited June 10
    9/1 available with BE if you think England can win this match v Senegal. DYOR.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/football/friendlies-international/england-v-senegal-betting-34400250
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,152

    Andy_JS said:

    England 1
    Senegal 2

    Ouch!
    See I looked at the odds earlier and you could have got 8-1 on a Senegal win. Knackered players, no point to the game for England, lots for Senegal.
    Didn’t go for it though.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    Nigelb said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dunno about you but I’m in sizzling downtown Thorshavn, the mega trendy capital of the Faroes, and I’m up for ACTION. And maybe Greenlandic snow crab

    How did you get the idea of visiting the Faroes?
    In an act of stunning journalistic genius, I read an email from a travel company which said “Leon, we’d love to send you to the Faroes if you can get a commission”. So I asked my editor and he said Sure sounds fun

    And here I am

    Tbh I have always wanted to visit, but in this case I didn’t have to sweat for it. Landed in my lap
    I think I mentioned I was there a few weeks ago :wink:

    Are you going to do the "sense of adventure" meal?
    What's that - raw puffin eggs on the sea cliff ?
    I had the wind dried fermented lamb. It's a bit like fatty biltong with a whiff of ammonia. Served on Rye bread with a local beer. I mentioned that I wanted to try it to our guide, so he invited me round his house and we sat in his kitchen munching on it. As well as a mountain guide, he was mayor of his village, shepherd, and hospital administrator. You have to be pretty versatile there. We then went to the village hall for folk dancing to traditional epic songs, and a church service in Faeroese. Fortunately it's a fairly phonetic language so we could keep up with the locals. A very hospitable people and fascinating culture.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    No doubt on the doorstep many pensioners have told Labour politicians, including the chancellor, that they simply can’t do without the £200 winter fuel allowance; it’s a choice between heating and eating, according to them. Yet for many pensioners this is simply not true. If we take the bottom 20 per cent of pensioner households we find they spend 17 per cent of their income on recreation, hotels, restaurants, alcohol and tobacco, or, around £2,000 a year. To balance the books, these pensioners could have cut their leisure expenditure by 10 per cent

    https://x.com/mrcharlesamos/status/1932471952159256618?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    In reality it was a choice for some between heating and eating out less.

    Paying more WFA means more trade for pub chains which do carveries and garden centres which do cooked breakfasts.
    It’s a curious cut off point. I was always focused on those who had little private pension (up to say £21-23,000).

    £35,000 with no accommodation costs because your mortgage was paid off decades ago gives you a lot of discretionary spending that yep is going to be spent in pubs, cafes and garden centres
    Or Gas and Leccy, Water charges, food shopping, Council Tax, TV Licence, home insurance, car insurance, car tax...
    Gas leccy £3000 max
    Water £1000
    Food £4000
    Council tax £3000

    Still leaves £9000 or so of discretionary spending.

    Don't forget your bus (and underground / Lizzie line) pass goes a long way to keeping things going.

    Add on a partner with the same pension and life would be very pleasant.
    See no housing costs what so ever, no wonder you dont understand others points

    1300rent + 150ct +20phone + 40net + 140gaselec+200train+water50

    Note no car, no insurance, a damn sight less council tax due to living in a cheap house, no food, no tv licence though I do have a streaming sub for 9£ a month which is still less than a tv licence

    He's said, repeatedly, and originally "with no accommodation costs".

    The point is this is welfare you and I and everyone else is being taxed to provide to give to people who overwhelming live with no accommodation costs.
    I was more responding to his assertion that we shouldn't begrudge people spending 40 a week on entertainment when a lot of people working their asses off cant
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,528
    carnforth said:

    TOPPING said:

    So where are the Faroe Islands.

    Closer to the UK than Denmark. So, really...
    And we actually "looked after" them 1940-45...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,036
    Presumably Trump keeps wearing a baseball cap to avoid the need to attach his hair.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,811

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Another reverse ferret. This time by Simone Biles:

    https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1932470954610901259

    Never explain, never apologise. Twitter people do not forget not forgive.

    I think she cares more about what sponsors think than Twitter people though.
    She's just a decent human being.
    Unlike those giving her crap.
    I have no time at all for people who think trans athletes, well let’s be honest trans women, should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Sorry, but I think the advantages of being born male and gone through puberty with all that that entails leads to bigger, stronger people. You can take all the hormones and hormone blockers you like in later life - it won’t shrink your arms, legs and feet.
    Although it does, oddly, make you shorter

    (The cartilage between the spine bones shrink?)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,036

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    The new Reform Chairman David Bull has just stated:

    "Immigration is the lifeblood of this country. It always has been."

    ‘Lifeblood’?! What total BS.

    We need controlled borders, national cohesion, and robust policies that serve the people already here - the British people
    .

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1932435399474876659?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What's the full context of the quote, I expect Lowe has missed out the big glaring "however" that comes after the sentence.
    A big but!

    He qualifies it by saying the immigrants should adopt our culture and values.

    https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1932429964571291660?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    This is reasonable in theory but what are our values? It's not like every British person has the same values, or indeed the same culture. And a certain degree of cultural enrichment is actually one of the benefits of immigration, in my experience at least. Also, many immigrants come having already adopted many elements of British culture and values owing to colonialism and the hegemony of the English language.
    When I wasn’t on PB for a while, I had a twitter debate with someone on this; I said that assimilation from the Caribbean had been pretty good on the whole, but from Islamic countries it had been bad. They replied that was down to the fact we’d imposed our British values on Caribbeans for centuries beforehand, which I thought made my point for me.

    To be frank, if we’d only had non Islamic immigration I don’t think there’d be much of a problem with assimilation or immigration at all.
    If only they wouldn't wear such shoes and enjoy pineapple pizza then England would be back to its old glories.
    If the majority of British Muslims had become members of the Conservative Party, married non Muslim women, had wealthy parents, not take religion too seriously and gone to a top university I doubt there’d be much of a problem either
    Counterpoint: radicalisation. A boy I knew vaguely (friend of a friend, at another school) ended up in Guantanamo Bay. His parents were a solicitor and a doctor. By all accounts not very religious.
    The new minted fanatic, rediscovering God after a dissolute youth, is always fun. See Cromwell.

    I went to university in the 90s with several such.
    Fortunately, railway enthusiasm never produces fanatics.

    Except for the sickos who like Deltics. And the preverted Coppertop fans... ;)
    I have a predilection for the late-1930s/1940s electric trains with sliding doors, such as the main line Class 306, 502, 503 and 506, and the London Underground O/P/Q38/R, and 1938 stock.
    Those sorts of units were workhorses, many of which lasted decades. They were successes. The Deltics lasted barely 20 years before they were rightly sent to the knackers yard.

    We enthusiasts tend to prefer the truly oddball one-offs, or the really fast locos, over the everyday stock that carried vastly more people or freight. And as an exception to that, I salute you! :)
    "rightly sent to the knackers yard."

    You poor, misguided soul.
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