Scottish subsample watch – politicalbetting.com

System · May 29

Scottish subsample watch – politicalbetting.com

There’s been quite a lot of excitement over the latest YouGov poll which has a subsample showing Reform leading in Scotland. This is based on 145 respondents in Scotland, unlike other pollsters YouGov do weight their subsamples but even still the margin of error is just over 8% so nobody should be confident in saying Reform are leading in Scotland.

Read the full story here

DecrepiterJohnL · May 29

So we're agreed. Reform are doing well in Scotland or not and no-one's really sure.

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

DecrepiterJohnL said:
So we're agreed. Reform are doing well in Scotland or not and no-one's really sure.

They are doing well but not ahead of the SNP well.

Andy_JS · May 29

FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

BatteryCorrectHorse · May 29

Reform are top dogs. Like Boris Johnson was once.

Labour need to deliver. That is the solution.

HYUFD · May 29

If Reform did win the Hamilton by election and lead in Scotland it would be a political earthquake even bigger than their UK lead in polls. Though more likely the SNP are still ahead, though down on 2021 with Reform a clear second

wooliedyed · May 29

I think rather more relevant to betting choices might be the fact Reform have been between 9 and 20 plus points behind the SNP in every other YouGov Scottish Subsample so unless something very odd has happened up there in the last week that is the position to make your decision from.

Leon · May 29

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views

Nigelb · May 29

Looks as though the idiot got AI to write to for him.
I dread to think what was the prompt.

The MAHA Report Cites Studies That Don’t Exist
The Trump administration’s “Make America Healthy Again” report misinterprets some studies and cites others that don’t exist, according to the listed authors.

https://www.notus.org/health-science/make-america-healthy-again-report-citation-errors
..Epidemiologist Katherine Keyes is listed in the MAHA report as the first author of a study on anxiety in adolescents. When NOTUS reached out to her this week, she was surprised to hear of the citation. She does study mental health and substance use, she said. But she didn’t write the paper listed.

“The paper cited is not a real paper that I or my colleagues were involved with,” Keyes told NOTUS via email. “We’ve certainly done research on this topic, but did not publish a paper in JAMA Pediatrics on this topic with that co-author group, or with that title.”

It’s not clear that anyone wrote the study cited in the MAHA report. The citation refers to a study titled, “Changes in mental health and substance abuse among US adolescents during the COVID-19 pandemic,” along with a nonfunctional link to the study’s digital object identifier. While the citation claims that the study appeared in the 12th issue of the 176th edition of the journal JAMA Pediatrics, that issue didn’t include a study with that title.

As the Trump administration cuts research funding for federal health agencies and academic institutions and rejects the scientific consensus on issues like vaccines and gender-affirming care, the issues with its much-heralded MAHA report could indicate lessening concern for scientific accuracy at the highest levels of the federal government.

The Department of Health and Human Services did not respond to a request for comment on the report’s citation inconsistencies...

wooliedyed · May 29

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views

HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done

Leon · May 29

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done

I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

numbertwelve · May 29

IMO, Reform are polling well in Scotland and Wales at least in part because for the first time voters are being offered the opportunity to vote for a right-wing party that doesn’t bear the generational stigma of the Tories.

Even decades after Thatcher the stigma lives on.

wooliedyed · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
So we're agreed. Reform are doing well in Scotland or not and no-one's really sure.
They are doing well but not ahead of the SNP well.

They're doing not quite as well as Ruth in VI but against a weaker SNP with Lab, Con and LD scrapping for the bits
Holyrood list voting estimate
SNP 28
Reform 18
Lab 16
Con 13
LD 11
Green 6
Alba 2

Be interesting to see if there's any RefCon or RefLab split ticketing and which way round

Dumbosaurus · May 29

Jenrick is such an insufferable tosser.

Dumbosaurus · May 29

Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.

TimS · May 29

Jenrick’s ascendancy in the endless Tory search for a new messiah should be good news for Lib Dems. Hunt’s heroic last stand during the 2024 offensive is a lesson the party is gratifyingly unwilling to heed.

Andy_JS · May 29

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.

There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.

Leon · May 29

TimS said:
Jenrick’s ascendancy in the endless Tory search for a new messiah should be good news for Lib Dems. Hunt’s heroic last stand during the 2024 offensive is a lesson the party is gratifyingly unwilling to heed.

I shouldn't worry, the new "Brandon" Jenrick has probably arrived too late to save the Tories. They needed someone like him 3, 5 or 7 years ago, already attuned to the Yookay Situation

I fear it has now gone beyond the solution of a New Tory Leader (number 498), and the people will elect a hard or even far right government, in their desperation to stop the slide

Dumbosaurus · May 29

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.

Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.

Mexicanpete · May 29

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views

I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.

TimS · May 29

Dumbosaurus said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.

In the golden years of the Major 1992-7 parliament today’s event would be followed as sure as night follows day by Jenrick being caught engaging in fare evasion.

I worry that the gods of karma aren’t what they used to be.

FrancisUrquhart · May 29

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

I predict we will get "as the son of a toolmaker, I know what it is like to play fair, that is why I am launching a stop the ~~boats~~ fare dodgers" speech, followed by a 6 month search for stop the fare dodger tsar, who when hired lives in Australia and going to commute for the job, and then no further action.

Eabhal · May 29

Scenes if Reform win the Hamilton by-election.

Leon · May 29

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.

Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Dumbosaurus said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.

Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.

FrancisUrquhart · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dumbosaurus said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.

You're joking, not another one....

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know

It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had done what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure

Leon · May 29

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.

But there is a whole class of affluent metro lefties, or mulish Woke non Londoners, who simply do not get this. How fucking annoying it is to be a hardworking commuter on not that much money, watching others - quite possibly on benefits - swan through the gates as you pay your money like a sucker

It is incredibly corrosive of trust, of social cohesion, and as soon as it digs in it spreads like a mould into all areas - as we see with phone theft, shoplifting, litter. Good people think "why should I bother taking my trash to be recycled when everyone else just dumps it"

Result: chaos and scuzz and the Yookay we have today

Dumbosaurus · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dumbosaurus said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.

Like Nick Griffin?

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Eabhal said:
Scenes if Reform win the Hamilton by-election.

Just a reminder I am going to be incommunicado at a wedding next Wednesday and Thursday, which coincides with the by-election.

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Dumbosaurus said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dumbosaurus said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
Like Nick Griffin?

An outlier.

Scott_xP · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dumbosaurus said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.

https://bsky.app/profile/adambienkov.bsky.social/post/3lqcqlpaaw22m

Mexicanpete · May 29

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know

The Johnsonian/ Cummings style trip to Leominster during the first lockdown triggered me, the Desmond stuff was both (allegedly) corrupt and despicable at the same time and the performative cruelty of painting over the cartoon characters (I believe they were Loonytunes rather than Disney) marked the man out as a heartless opportunist.

I can admire his guile whilst still despising the man.

I am greatly relieved you have returned home to the Tories. Well done!

Leon · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure

Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties

Dumbosaurus · May 29

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:
Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.
There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
But there is a whole class of affluent metro lefties, or mulish Woke non Londoners, who simply do not get this. How fucking annoying it is to be a hardworking commuter on not that much money, watching others - quite possibly on benefits - swan through the gates as you pay your money like a sucker

It is incredibly corrosive of trust, of social cohesion, and as soon as it digs in it spreads like a mould into all areas - as we see with phone theft, shoplifting, litter. Good people think "why should I bother taking my trash to be recycled when everyone else just dumps it"

Result: chaos and scuzz and the Yookay we have today

That is a different matter, I am all for fare evaders being hung drawn and quartered. But not by Jenrick who is fraudulent on a far grander scale.

Leon · May 29

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
The Johnsonian/ Cummings style trip to Leominster during the first lockdown triggered me, the Desmond stuff was both (allegedly) corrupt and despicable at the same time and the performative cruelty of painting over the cartoon characters (I believe they were Loonytunes rather than Disney) marked the man out as a heartless opportunist.

I can admire his guile whilst still despising the man.

I am greatly relieved you have returned home to the Tories. Well done!

Sod off. I am still heartily behind Reform, I am just saying there is a CHANCE the Tories could win me back (but I doubt it)

Eabhal · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure

I have an older relative who thinks Jenrick is the only senior politician who makes Farage look like an upstanding citizen.

HYUFD · May 29

TimS said:
Jenrick’s ascendancy in the endless Tory search for a new messiah should be good news for Lib Dems. Hunt’s heroic last stand during the 2024 offensive is a lesson the party is gratifyingly unwilling to heed.

Depends if Jenrick could win over more Reform voters than he lost to the LDs, polling evidence is mixed on that but most show him doing little better than Kemi at best. As posted before the only Tory who polls show could give the Tories the lead again is Boris, who remains outside Parliament for now and ineligible.

I suspect Tory MPs would try and crown Cleverly or Stride by coronation anyway if Kemi was removed next year.

To some extent that would be Jenrick's best chance, let Cleverly or Stride lose the next general election as Kemi has already proved unable to make much impact. Hope tactical voting by the LDs and Greens somehow keeps Starmer in office as PM but preferably so hobbled having lost his majority he is near powerless and that Farage by the same token again fails to win and steps down shortly after as Reform leader.

Then Jenrick's chance would come to reunite the right behind him as LOTO with preferably opposition largely to himself to a Labour and LD government

Mexicanpete · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Eabhal said:
Scenes if Reform win the Hamilton by-election.
Just a reminder I am going to be incommunicado at a wedding next Wednesday and Thursday, which coincides with the by-election.

Isn't there a far right coup d'etat pencilled in for 1800 hours next Wednesday?

isam · May 29

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

I predict we will get "as the son of a toolmaker, I know what it is like to play fair, that is why I am launching a stop the ~~boats~~ fare dodgers" speech, followed by a 6 month search for stop the fare dodger tsar, who when hired lives in Australia and going to commute for the job, and then no further action.

When Starmer said “My Dad worked in a factory.
, so I know what it’s like” it’s obvious nonsense; my Dad was a labourer on a building site but I don’t know what take like. It also invites the retort that it means he doesn’t know what running a business is like

HYUFD · May 29

numbertwelve said:
IMO, Reform are polling well in Scotland and Wales at least in part because for the first time voters are being offered the opportunity to vote for a right-wing party that doesn’t bear the generational stigma of the Tories.

Even decades after Thatcher the stigma lives on.

Theresa May got 28% in Scotland in 2017 with Ruth Davidson, still higher than the 24% forecast for Reform even on the Yougov Scottish subsample

FrancisUrquhart · May 29

Israeli ministers say 22 new Jewish settlements have been approved in the occupied West Bank - the biggest expansion in decades.

Several already exist as outposts, built without government authorisation, but will now be made legal under Israeli law. Others are completely new, according to Defence Minister Israel Katz and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j5954edlno

Israel increasing taking the Milwall approach.

WhisperingOracle · May 29

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties

Jenrick seems very offputtingly chilly to me. He make Thatcher look like Floella Benjamin.
Brr...

Theuniondivvie · May 29

So difficult to know when Scottish sub samples are worthy of attention and when not.

Leon · May 29

HYUFD said:

TimS said:
Jenrick’s ascendancy in the endless Tory search for a new messiah should be good news for Lib Dems. Hunt’s heroic last stand during the 2024 offensive is a lesson the party is gratifyingly unwilling to heed.
Depends if Jenrick could win over more Reform voters than he lost to the LDs, polling evidence is mixed on that but most show him doing little better than Kemi at best. As posted before the only Tory who polls show could give the Tories the lead again is Boris, who remains outside Parliament for now and ineligible.

I suspect Tory MPs would try and crown Cleverly or Stride by coronation anyway if Kemi was removed next year.

To some extent that would be Jenrick's best chance, let Cleverly or Stride lose the next general election as Kemi has already proved unable to make much impact. Hope tactical voting by the LDs and Greens somehow keeps Starmer in office as PM but preferably so hobbled having lost his majority he is near powerless and that Farage by the same token again fails to win and steps down shortly after as Reform leader.

Then Jenrick's chance would come to reunite the right behind him as LOTO with preferably opposition largely to himself to a Labour and LD government

This is

1. An absolutely pathetic counsel of despair. If you go for Stride or Cleverly you will probably come 4th in the next GE

and

2. You rely FAR too much on hypothetical polling, which is notoriously iffy

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties

Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.

Andy_JS · May 29

If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

FrancisUrquhart · May 29

Haribo is recalling packets of sweets in the Netherlands after some were found to contain traces of cannabis. Several people, including multiple members of one family, reported feeling unwell after eating from a 1kg pack of Haribo Happy Cola F!ZZ.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yx2lynznpo

I think I would fell unwell after eating 1kg of Haribo :-)

carnforth · May 29

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

Nah. Anything can happen at by-elections.

Mexicanpete · May 29

FrancisUrquhart said:
Israeli ministers say 22 new Jewish settlements have been approved in the occupied West Bank - the biggest expansion in decades.

Several already exist as outposts, built without government authorisation, but will now be made legal under Israeli law. Others are completely new, according to Defence Minister Israel Katz and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j5954edlno

Israel increasing taking the Milwall approach.

Where's Cyril the Swan when you need him?

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/remembering-best-mascot-fight-english-football-cyril-swan-vs-zampa-lion

FrancisUrquhart · May 29

Joe Root just done a Joe Root....

Leon · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.

So? Hitler was an average art student, for years, until the right moment came along

PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, there is ALWAYS hope

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Theuniondivvie said:
So difficult to know when Scottish sub samples are worthy of attention and when not.

They are never worthy of attention, have you not read the header?

Dumbosaurus · May 29

Leon said:

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties

You agree with his current policies. They could change at any time to anything from centre left to fascism depending on what he thinks will bring him power. The only constant is incompetent malevolence. This is because he is a snake.

Daveyboy1961 · May 29

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.
So? Hitler was an average art student, for years, until the right moment came along

PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, there is ALWAYS hope

I thought he painted window frames...

williamglenn · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.

You mean at one time he believed in extreme policies like reducing immigration to the tens of thousands?

rcs1000 · May 29

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mexicanpete · May 29

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.
You mean at one time he believed in extreme policies like reducing immigration to the tens of thousands?

Was he was once an ardent Remainer before he became a full frontal Brexiteer? Where have I seen that before?

malcolmg · May 29

DecrepiterJohnL said:
So we're agreed. Reform are doing well in Scotland or not and no-one's really sure.

Desperation if PB is down to subsamples for Scotland , that used to be a ban hammer offence. Will Sturat be declared an innocent victim.

malcolmg · May 29

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

More chance of me becoming Pope

bondegezou · May 29

Nigelb said:
Looks as though the idiot got AI to write to for him.
I dread to think what was the prompt.

The MAHA Report Cites Studies That Don’t Exist
The Trump administration’s “Make America Healthy Again” report misinterprets some studies and cites others that don’t exist, according to the listed authors.

https://www.notus.org/health-science/make-america-healthy-again-report-citation-errors
..Epidemiologist Katherine Keyes is listed in the MAHA report as the first author of a study on anxiety in adolescents. When NOTUS reached out to her this week, she was surprised to hear of the citation. She does study mental health and substance use, she said. But she didn’t write the paper listed.

“The paper cited is not a real paper that I or my colleagues were involved with,” Keyes told NOTUS via email. “We’ve certainly done research on this topic, but did not publish a paper in JAMA Pediatrics on this topic with that co-author group, or with that title.”

It’s not clear that anyone wrote the study cited in the MAHA report. The citation refers to a study titled, “Changes in mental health and substance abuse among US adolescents during the COVID-19 pandemic,” along with a nonfunctional link to the study’s digital object identifier. While the citation claims that the study appeared in the 12th issue of the 176th edition of the journal JAMA Pediatrics, that issue didn’t include a study with that title.

As the Trump administration cuts research funding for federal health agencies and academic institutions and rejects the scientific consensus on issues like vaccines and gender-affirming care, the issues with its much-heralded MAHA report could indicate lessening concern for scientific accuracy at the highest levels of the federal government.

The Department of Health and Human Services did not respond to a request for comment on the report’s citation inconsistencies...

Those sorts of citation errors are classic tells that someone has used gen AI.

isam · May 29

"on the wider issue on the opposition, do you think one of the problems is is that Nigel Farage can approximate talking like a human being where you just resort to talking points and dodging questions"

- Peter from the Guardian

https://x.com/thegriftreport/status/1928055748212199451?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

Theuniondivvie · May 29

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:
So difficult to know when Scottish sub samples are worthy of attention and when not.
They are never worthy of attention, have you not read the header?

Writing a header about something doesn’t immediately suggest it’s not worthy of attention, but if you insist.

Theuniondivvie · May 29

malcolmg said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:
So we're agreed. Reform are doing well in Scotland or not and no-one's really sure.
Desperation if PB is down to subsamples for Scotland , that used to be a ban hammer offence. Will Sturat be declared an innocent victim.

2 tier TSE.

Mexicanpete · May 29

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Surely that is now a disadvantage of incumbency for Labour and Jenrick can pretend (like Johnson) he was never in cabinet.

Equally, "It was a big boy who ran away after meeting Richard Desmond".

Mexicanpete · May 29

malcolmg said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
More chance of me becoming Pope

Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.

HYUFD · May 29

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.
So? Hitler was an average art student, for years, until the right moment came along

PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, there is ALWAYS hope

Hitler should have stuck to being an artist, the world would at least have had a few half decent paintings from him rather than his being one of the worst murderers in history

RochdalePioneers · May 29

A business / branding question for the PB Genius Bar. I am looking for a business name for a new venture. Companies House clear, domain clear, trademarks clear. There's a business of the same name - in a similar but not directly related field - based in Southern California. They don't operate even in northern CA never mind the rest of the US or beyond, and they're a distributor rather than a brand name for products.

Any objections to using the same name? I can see many examples of that already as finding a completely unique name anywhere in the world is quite difficult...

HYUFD · May 29

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

TimS said:
Jenrick’s ascendancy in the endless Tory search for a new messiah should be good news for Lib Dems. Hunt’s heroic last stand during the 2024 offensive is a lesson the party is gratifyingly unwilling to heed.
Depends if Jenrick could win over more Reform voters than he lost to the LDs, polling evidence is mixed on that but most show him doing little better than Kemi at best. As posted before the only Tory who polls show could give the Tories the lead again is Boris, who remains outside Parliament for now and ineligible.

I suspect Tory MPs would try and crown Cleverly or Stride by coronation anyway if Kemi was removed next year.

To some extent that would be Jenrick's best chance, let Cleverly or Stride lose the next general election as Kemi has already proved unable to make much impact. Hope tactical voting by the LDs and Greens somehow keeps Starmer in office as PM but preferably so hobbled having lost his majority he is near powerless and that Farage by the same token again fails to win and steps down shortly after as Reform leader.

Then Jenrick's chance would come to reunite the right behind him as LOTO with preferably opposition largely to himself to a Labour and LD government
This is

1. An absolutely pathetic counsel of despair. If you go for Stride or Cleverly you will probably come 4th in the next GE

and

2. You rely FAR too much on hypothetical polling, which is notoriously iffy

Will we? How many Reform voters will come back to the Tories with Jenrick before the next general election while Farage leads Reform? The polling evidence is very few. Stride and Cleverly could at least win back a few voters Kemi has lost to the LDs and maybe win over a few from Labour and hold most of the 2024 vote who voted for Rishi.

ydoethur · May 29

Mexicanpete said:

malcolmg said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
More chance of me becoming Pope
Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.

And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.

Andy_JS · May 29

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

True. My nearest town has a population of 35,000 and no police station. Luckily the crime rate is very low so they've pretty much got away with it so far.

TheScreamingEagles · May 29

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:
So difficult to know when Scottish sub samples are worthy of attention and when not.
They are never worthy of attention, have you not read the header?
Writing a header about something doesn’t immediately suggest it’s not worthy of attention, but if you insist.

Lordy.

I am saying don't bet on a subsample, wait for a proper poll.

It's like when I give warnings about voodoo polls.

https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/04/19/i-visited-illicitencounters-com-so-you-dont-have-to/

Leon · May 29

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Oh yes, the Tories are in a right old pickle, to be sure, thanks to 14 years of failure and dithering. No way around that. And possibly terminal

Leon · May 29

JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

RochdalePioneers · May 29

Leon said:
JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

It was a very well staged piece of theatre.

Theuniondivvie · May 29

ydoethur said:

Mexicanpete said:

malcolmg said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
More chance of me becoming Pope
Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.

And always a warm welcome at Paradise, aka Celtic Park.

FrancisUrquhart · May 29

Leon said:
JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

I think Farage will be more annoyed than son of a toolmaker Starmer car crash.

Nigelb · May 29

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views

Measured as ever, Leon.

HYUFD · May 29

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding

Nigelb · May 29

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Shouldn't that be The Hamptons ?

malcolmg · May 29

ydoethur said:

Mexicanpete said:

malcolmg said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
More chance of me becoming Pope
Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.

Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.

Nigelb · May 29

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
The Johnsonian/ Cummings style trip to Leominster during the first lockdown triggered me, the Desmond stuff was both (allegedly) corrupt and despicable at the same time and the performative cruelty of painting over the cartoon characters (I believe they were Loonytunes rather than Disney) marked the man out as a heartless opportunist.

I can admire his guile whilst still despising the man.

I am greatly relieved you have returned home to the Tories. Well done!
Sod off. I am still heartily behind Reform, I am just saying there is a CHANCE the Tories could win me back (but I doubt it)

Given your voting history, there's a CHANCE that the Greens win you over for a brief moment.

wooliedyed · May 29

Leon said:
JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

If the MCU doesn't have The Shadow Justice causing havoc in its next movie then they're missing a trick, lolz

RochdalePioneers · May 29

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding

Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.

OldKingCole · May 29

malcolmg said:

ydoethur said:

Mexicanpete said:

malcolmg said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
More chance of me becoming Pope
Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.

Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?

Fairliered · May 29

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

I don’t think Reform will win, but Lanarkshire is a haunt of staunch Orangemen, particularly Larkhall. Also the Labour candidate will has been invisible. I was tempted at TSE’s 8-1 odds, although they have since shortened even more. Maybe a 3k majority. Certainly enough to shake up Scottish politics.

ydoethur · May 29

OldKingCole said:

malcolmg said:

ydoethur said:

Mexicanpete said:

malcolmg said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
More chance of me becoming Pope
Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.
Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?

Nah, just take an extra large gulp during Mass.

(Sundays don't count for the Lenten fast, btw.)

Malmesbury · May 29

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.

Hmmmm

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022

HYUFD · May 29

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.

That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

RochdalePioneers · May 29

Fairliered said:

Andy_JS said:
If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.
I don’t think Reform will win, but Lanarkshire is a haunt of staunch Orangemen, particularly Larkhall. Also the Labour candidate will has been invisible. I was tempted at TSE’s 8-1 odds, although they have since shortened even more. Maybe a 3k majority. Certainly enough to shake up Scottish politics.

Interesting observation over on Wings in relation to the front page of the Daily Record: "Swinney’s just told everyone in the constituency who hates the SNP what it is that he’s most afraid of, and what the best way to beat them is."

Let's be honest here - there's a lot a lot of people who would be very motivated to give the SNP a kicking. Reform just isn't the same threat north of the wall as it is dahn sarf.

wooliedyed · May 29

Not seen this much empathy with, and support for a Tory on socials in a very long time.
Interesting how it's flown today. If nothing else it shows there is an appetite out there for things to be very different to how they are and people are becoming quick to attach to it when it appears.
For the Tories even getting a hearing is a victory these days

MattW · May 29

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.

For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.

BatteryCorrectHorse · May 29

Malmesbury said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
Hmmmm

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022

That hides the decades of experience that were lost. The replacements will be in no way equivalent.

MaxPB · May 29

Malmesbury said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
Hmmmm

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022

You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.

williamglenn · May 29

wooliedyed said:
Not seen this much empathy with, and support for a Tory on socials in a very long time.
Interesting how it's flown today. If nothing else it shows there is an appetite out there for things to be very different to how they are and people are becoming quick to attach to it when it appears.
For the Tories even getting a hearing is a victory these days

It's significant that his video doesn't have any party message or official branding at all. It focuses purely on the problem.

MaxPB · May 29

williamglenn said:

wooliedyed said:
Not seen this much empathy with, and support for a Tory on socials in a very long time.
Interesting how it's flown today. If nothing else it shows there is an appetite out there for things to be very different to how they are and people are becoming quick to attach to it when it appears.
For the Tories even getting a hearing is a victory these days
It's significant that his video doesn't have any party message or official branding at all. It focuses purely on the problem.

Indeed, it makes it look and feel authentic. Companies have been doing this for ages and it always helps marketing of products when people who use them aren't just blatantly being paid to advertise them.

RochdalePioneers · May 29

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

2010-2015 Government:
Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.

Battlebus · May 29

RochdalePioneers said:
A business / branding question for the PB Genius Bar. I am looking for a business name for a new venture. Companies House clear, domain clear, trademarks clear. There's a business of the same name - in a similar but not directly related field - based in Southern California. They don't operate even in northern CA never mind the rest of the US or beyond, and they're a distributor rather than a brand name for products.

Any objections to using the same name? I can see many examples of that already as finding a completely unique name anywhere in the world is quite difficult...

There was the No Name Company but have had a change of name. Or this one, which appears to be run by someone with an issue (or two)

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10843886

HYUFD · May 29

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

2010-2015 Government:
Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.

Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!

Omnium · May 29

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

I said:

He's good to camera
He totally gets the grittier issues
He's got a skilled editorial team
He knows how to use social media REALLY well

And here we are

The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

2010-2015 Government:
Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!

Cicero never rose to these heights.

OldKingCole · May 29

MattW said:

Andy_JS said:
FPT

"Phone theft is out of control in London
James Hanson
29 May 2025, 11:59am"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/
Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.

For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.

Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......

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