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  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,545
    The Sun takes the award for its front page .

    Paedos to be castrated !
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,545
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    Labour aren’t really known for being ruthless . They might have to though and Rayner would win any leadership election .
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925
    edited May 21
    nico67 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    Labour aren’t really known for being ruthless . They might have to though and Rayner would win any leadership election .
    "Knifing" your leader never ends well...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,245
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925
    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198
    edited May 21

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
    Don't forget when they went to do in Gordon, but they bottled it at the last second after resignations had set the process in motion.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,245
    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    He's only interested in making it all go away for 5 months until the budget. Then he'll produce other rabbits to distract from the reclustering of the fuck
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925
    Leon said:

    Can't see Spurs holding out for 10 mins

    Leondarmus strikes again...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,245

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
    Don't forget when they went to do in Gordon, but they bottled it at the last second after resignations had set the process in motion.
    Oooooh yes! James Purnell getting shafted by banana boy
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,545
    GIN1138 said:

    nico67 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    Labour aren’t really known for being ruthless . They might have to though and Rayner would win any leadership election .
    "Knifing" your leader never ends well...
    Someone else needs to do it . A lot can happen though and there’s a long way to go till the next election .

    Maybe we might get a growth miracle and No 10 will stop making unforced errors !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198
    edited May 21
    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    The government actually did pretty well over the winter that the media didn't really go hard for the effects of WFA on poor pensioners. It had actually dropped totally off the agenda until it was given as a big reason for the council election results, which I was slightly surprised that this one issue was given as THE major reason, when there lots of other decisions that I would have thought would have been equally unpopular e.g. all the coverage of cuts to disability in month before, the NI rise, etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949
    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,245
    edited May 21
    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    Elon wasn't looking on fondly at Cyril!
    I'm surprised Ramaphosa didn't smell a rat given the very obvious fuss over 57 boer immigrants last week and the back and forth about it
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198
    edited May 21
    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    He is turning these White House Meets like the weekly meeting in the Apprentice, you are trapped in there
    with nowhere to hide and he is going to set you up.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949
    edited May 21

    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    He is turning these White House Meets like the weekly meeting in the Apprentice, you are trapped in there
    with nowhere to hide and he is going to set you up.
    Yes, he does it very well. And the idea you "mustn't humiliate Cyril Rhamaposa" - lol. What? Why not? And they really do sing "Kill the Boer, kill the white man" at huge rallies, and the black politicians defend this, even as white farmers die

    What exactly is wrong with someone very forcefully pointing this out to the President of SA? Is he meant to be protected from hurty feels?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,771
    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    The timing seems quite interesting. Why now? Panic reaction to the locals? Hide it in amongst news-of-the-Trump? Why not fully announce it later in summer-to-autumn when it might have been a bit more on peoples minds and led into the budget?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,051


    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354
    kjh said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Cookie said:

    IanB2 said:

    Staunch Brexiteers have resorted to claiming they actually like queueing at airports in a desperate attempt to criticise the new UK-EU deal.

    I fail to see how this is a major issue (admittedly I don't do much travelling!) How often do most people go through passport queues in the EU every year. Once, twice at most? Does it usually take hours for non-EU arrivals to be processed?
    I've been to the EU three times since Brexit. Arguably Brexit has added 10 minutes to getting through passport control. But that's time you'd just be waiting at baggage reclaim anyway. You get through the airport no less quickly. Its impact on getting into the country is zero.
    Who the heck puts baggage in the hold on a trip to Europe?

    Whereas I normally get through quickly I had a 3 hour wait at Lisbon.

    If you land at an International airport rather than a tourist airport and it coincides with a plane from USA or China for instance you are stuffed.

    PS Just 3 times since Brexit?
    Well yes. I've got three kids. I can only really do these things during school holidays, when its prohibitively expensive. I'm reasonably well off, but nit so well off that I can go jetting off abroad willy nilly. And even if I could I have family responsibilities. So I holiday mostly in Britain.
    But when we go, we go for a week. Hard to get clothing for a week into hand luggage. Especially for winter holidays.
    I'd say I'm not unusual in this.
    Well yes. I passed that stage years ago. When we had kids we did camping for softies in France. Initially using Canvas or Eurocamp, then organising it ourselves. Struggled to get everything in a car, let alone a bag. It was also a cheap holiday. We also took them skiing, but avoided the expensive winter holiday and took them glacier skiing in the summer. Not exciting skiing for me, but I was teaching the kids.
    I developed a fear of flying about twenty years ago so we became experts at driving with kids in a packed car with a roof rack to France for the summer hols. Fitaloon and I had a few robust discussions about my road map reading skills so by the time our oldest was in his early teens he took over.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,545
    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    It would be interesting to see what happened in other European countries post covid ?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354
    glw said:

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    Starmer needs to stop digging and just announce the new threshold in June .

    Waiting till November and with a chance payments might not go out in time would be political idiocy of the highest order !

    Yep, but they are only in the mess because they ruled out increasing employee NI, VAT, income tax, etc. A genuinely stupid policy decision which has caused Labour to make all sorts of half-baked decisions in order to try and raise a few quid.
    The thing is nobody bought the we didn't break our promises with the spin over employer VAT rise, so they might as well just raised income tax. Would have been less damaging economically.
    Indeed, as I keep saying Starmer may be competent and have the right ideas (broadly speaking, but I'm not convinced about the plans) but he's politically inept. He's lightyears away from someone like Blair, and even Brown showed more sense.
    Starmer was a very poor leader of the Opposition and he is on course to easily become the worst PM in the last thirty years which is saying something when you think about the Brown/May/Johnson/Truss premierships.
  • vikvik Posts: 402
    nico67 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    Labour aren’t really known for being ruthless . They might have to though and Rayner would win any leadership election .
    Starmer won't be knifed because of his poor polling. He'll be knifed for imposing government policies that are inconsistent with Labour values.

    Cutting benefits for vulnerable people is deeply inconsistent with Labour values. This is something that a Tory Prime Minister would normally do & watching a Labour PM implementing Tory policies is deeply troubling for Labour party members.

    That's the difference between the Tories and Labour. The Tories are "ruthless" because they'll knife a leader with poor electoral prospects, even when the leader is implementing policies that are consistent with Tory values.

    Labour will remain loyal to a leader with poor electoral prospects, as long as the leader is behaving consistently with Labour values, but if the leader is considered to be a "closet Tory" then their position becomes very much at risk.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
    And Blair stood down very much on his own terms as well, also think by that time he was quite happy to go after a decade as PM and having achieved three solid Labour GE wins.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
    Don't forget when they went to do in Gordon, but they bottled it at the last second after resignations had set the process in motion.
    I had forgotten that failed attempt to get rid of Gordon Brown. I am trying to remember who did resign and who bottled it by failing to stick their head above the parapet and following them?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,310

    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    He is turning these White House Meets like the weekly meeting in the Apprentice, you are trapped in there
    with nowhere to hide and he is going to set you up.
    The media have swung into gear to accuse Trump of confronting Ramaphosa with 'false claims'. See the Washington Post headline:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949

    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    He is turning these White House Meets like the weekly meeting in the Apprentice, you are trapped in there
    with nowhere to hide and he is going to set you up.
    The media have swung into gear to accuse Trump of confronting Ramaphosa with 'false claims'. See the Washington Post headline:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/
    That’s the genius of Trump playing the video. Everyone has now seen the Oval Office footage where black South African politicians sing “kill the boer, kill the white man” to rapturous black crowds

    That looks awfully genocide…. Ish. Doesn’t it?

    So any attempt to spin this won’t work. Did they sing this or not? They sang this
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
    Don't forget when they went to do in Gordon, but they bottled it at the last second after resignations had set the process in motion.
    Oooooh yes! James Purnell getting shafted by banana boy
    Yes, the once very ambitious and up and coming Minister James Purnell, he then left politics altogether never to be heard of again.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,883
    ohnotnow said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    The timing seems quite interesting. Why now? Panic reaction to the locals? Hide it in amongst news-of-the-Trump? Why not fully announce it later in summer-to-autumn when it might have been a bit more on peoples minds and led into the budget?
    Why not announce it when they know who won't benefit? Worst of all world's now - disappoint those who think it is being reinstated for them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,028
    edited May 21
    "‘In the end, we had a really good bilateral’ — Ramaphosa at press conference after Trump meeting"

    LOL

    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-05-21-live-ramaphosa-meets-trump
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,028
    edited May 21
    Dopermean said:

    CatMan said:

    England - Zimbabwe test starts tomorrow. I guarantee it will contain more action than tonight's tele-football entertainment.

    Only 4 days though, bit condescending. Cricket needs more contest, the smaller nations need more games and should India have a b team?
    I hadn't realised it was only 4 days. Not good. Test cricket has to be at least 5 days. More is okay, as in 1939.
  • vikvik Posts: 402
    ohnotnow said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    The timing seems quite interesting. Why now? Panic reaction to the locals? Hide it in amongst news-of-the-Trump? Why not fully announce it later in summer-to-autumn when it might have been a bit more on peoples minds and led into the budget?
    He isn't panicking about the election results. He's panicking about a backbench revolt.

    Around 130 MP's have now signed a letter saying they won't support the disability benefit cuts. If the rebellion continues then it'll eventually end with Starmer being forced out unless he does a U-turn on this & his other polices on benefit cuts.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/15/starmer-faces-benefits-rebellion-of-more-than-100-mps/
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,253

    Re Chagos, just give the islands gave to the Chagossians if they agree to let us keep sovereign control of the base a la Akrotiri/Dhekelia and offer them financial support and, if they wish, run their defence and foreign policy.
    No need for irrelevant Mauritius to be involved at all

    I don't understand why we don't just give it to the USA
    We use it and it's our only sovereign military base 'East of Aden' now so keeping it seems sensible. The islands around we have zero inhabitants on so they can just be given away in a cracker - but should be returned of course to the people we evicted.
    It's just the base that matters so why did we not negotiate to keep sovereignty of it?!
    India.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,028
    Things going from bad to worse for M&S.

    "M&S website completely down, leaving users unable to browse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k374x1y8do
  • vikvik Posts: 402
    vik said:

    ohnotnow said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    The timing seems quite interesting. Why now? Panic reaction to the locals? Hide it in amongst news-of-the-Trump? Why not fully announce it later in summer-to-autumn when it might have been a bit more on peoples minds and led into the budget?
    He isn't panicking about the election results. He's panicking about a backbench revolt.

    Around 130 MP's have now signed a letter saying they won't support the disability benefit cuts. If the rebellion continues then it'll eventually end with Starmer being forced out unless he does a U-turn on this & his other polices on benefit cuts.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/15/starmer-faces-benefits-rebellion-of-more-than-100-mps/
    The timing is mentioned in the Guardian article on the U-turn:

    Senior Labour figures are hoping the partial U-turn, along with measures to curb child poverty to be announced at the spending review, will help to head off a growing backbench rebellion over the government’s £5bn welfare cuts next month.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/21/labour-to-review-giving-more-pensioners-winter-fuel-payments
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354
    Andy_JS said:

    Things going from bad to worse for M&S.

    "M&S website completely down, leaving users unable to browse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k374x1y8do

    Definitely noticed that our nearest M&S foodstore and the local Co-op in our rural patch have both been poorly stocked in the last week as well.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,028
    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Things going from bad to worse for M&S.

    "M&S website completely down, leaving users unable to browse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k374x1y8do

    Definitely noticed that our nearest M&S foodstore and the local Co-op in our rural patch have both been poorly stocked in the last week as well.
    Yes, my local Co-cop was half-empty recently as well. It's just awful how they don't seem to have planned properly for this type of thing, with back-up systems, etc.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198
    edited 1:15AM
    fitalass said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Labour should remember they were elected to "end the chaos" 😂
    She's resigning in June over disability cuts then knifing him. You read it here first ;)
    Who was the last Labour leader to be "knifed" ?

    Arguably their last election winner, Tony Blair, who was partly knifed and forced to announce his resignation timetable in 2006?
    The last attempt was the coup against Corbyn. Before that if we discount Blair it's right back to Lansbury being forced out
    Don't forget when they went to do in Gordon, but they bottled it at the last second after resignations had set the process in motion.
    Oooooh yes! James Purnell getting shafted by banana boy
    Yes, the once very ambitious and up and coming Minister James Purnell, he then left politics altogether never to be heard of again.
    He got a very cushy job at the BBC on multiples of what a minsters / PM gets paid.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284
    edited 4:56AM
    vik said:

    vik said:

    ohnotnow said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The WFA u-turn looks like the worst to all worlds option to me.

    They have taken the hit for it's cancellation, but the reversal is only partial which means they will take another hit from those pensioners that inevitably miss out.

    Seems like very poor politics to me though at least some vulnerable pensioners hopefully won't go cold this winter.

    The timing seems quite interesting. Why now? Panic reaction to the locals? Hide it in amongst news-of-the-Trump? Why not fully announce it later in summer-to-autumn when it might have been a bit more on peoples minds and led into the budget?
    He isn't panicking about the election results. He's panicking about a backbench revolt.

    Around 130 MP's have now signed a letter saying they won't support the disability benefit cuts. If the rebellion continues then it'll eventually end with Starmer being forced out unless he does a U-turn on this & his other polices on benefit cuts.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/15/starmer-faces-benefits-rebellion-of-more-than-100-mps/
    The timing is mentioned in the Guardian article on the U-turn:

    Senior Labour figures are hoping the partial U-turn, along with measures to curb child poverty to be announced at the spending review, will help to head off a growing backbench rebellion over the government’s £5bn welfare cuts next month.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/21/labour-to-review-giving-more-pensioners-winter-fuel-payments
    Reeves is correct at least to say that she will only bring in funded policies, however much of a klutz she has been on the politics and presentation.

    So, let's hope for some more of those sensible tax reforms to be announced that have been - I think - generally approved on PB.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,583
    "Two Israeli embassy staff shot dead near Jewish museum in Washington DC"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,117
    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,583

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?

    As an aside, Blackpool isn't a city. I wonder why they chose that as a comparator against much larger cities? Would it not be better to compare Blackpool with (say) Telford, Ipswich, Huddersfield or Middlesborough, which are all towns of a similar size?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,985

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?

    As an aside, Blackpool isn't a city. I wonder why they chose that as a comparator against much larger cities? Would it not be better to compare Blackpool with (say) Telford, Ipswich, Huddersfield or Middlesborough, which are all towns of a similar size?
    What is, and is not, a city is not a very objective measure.

    Blackpool is a town, but neighbouring Preston is a city. They both have approximately the same population.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198

    "Two Israeli embassy staff shot dead near Jewish museum in Washington DC"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

    The suspect - who police have identified as Elias Rodriguez - chanted "free Palestine, free Palestine" while in custody, Washington police chief Pamela Smith said.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198
    The Daily Mail can disclose that the former prime minister was refused permission to buy a new mobile phone at a Vodafone store.

    ‘He went to his local shop to get a phone for one of his children,’ one of Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton’s friends told this newspaper. ‘Because he is classed as a politically exposed person (PEP), it was not possible.’
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?

    As an aside, Blackpool isn't a city. I wonder why they chose that as a comparator against much larger cities? Would it not be better to compare Blackpool with (say) Telford, Ipswich, Huddersfield or Middlesborough, which are all towns of a similar size?
    Putting my skeptical hat on, I wonder how many of those in Blackpool etc have been shipped there by the other places on the graph to save money, and how that is covered in the figures.

    I'm sure there are definitions, but I'm not sure exactly where the graph comes from - I expect it, or the data, is from somewhere deep on the Govt website.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,198
    edited 5:54AM
    Labour could review other benefit cuts after winter fuel U-turn, sources say

    Sources say improved economic landscape may lead to two-child benefit cap and health and disability cuts being revisited

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/21/labour-to-review-giving-more-pensioners-winter-fuel-payments

    That is a laughable claim that we have gone from if we don't cut WFA that it will be Liz Truss all over again to the economy is going so well because we had a decent 3 months (but still worse than same time previous year) and that we can forget all cuts (despite borrowing £20bn more than budgeted last year).
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,667
    MattW said:

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?

    As an aside, Blackpool isn't a city. I wonder why they chose that as a comparator against much larger cities? Would it not be better to compare Blackpool with (say) Telford, Ipswich, Huddersfield or Middlesborough, which are all towns of a similar size?
    Putting my skeptical hat on, I wonder how many of those in Blackpool etc have been shipped there by the other places on the graph to save money, and how that is covered in the figures.

    I'm sure there are definitions, but I'm not sure exactly where the graph comes from - I expect it, or the data, is from somewhere deep on the Govt website.
    If you are looking for cheap accommodation, somewhere with a lot of redundant B and Bs seems like an obvious place to look.

    It's not the only factor in the 'faded resort towns = Faragist' correlation, but it surely contributes.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,501
    Today, a Conservative Party capable of thriving would be one able to have a conversation that the Faragists simply cannot join: about competence, tax, exports, business, moderation and a Burkean faith in the stability afforded by courts and institutions. Alas, the current Conservative Party is not capable of having that conversation either. Arguably from 2016, and certainly from 2019, successive leaders of the party have purged that whole tendency, often cheered on by their own membership. When one imagines today a party that could feasibly be led by David Cameron or George Osborne, let alone Ken Clarke or Rory Stewart, it is a long, long way away from the party the Conservatives currently have, or indeed the one the vast majority of them would currently put up with.

    To solve this problem, they first have to want to. Then, and only then, can they tackle the gimp. Shouldn’t be hard. The gimp’s sleeping.


    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/tories-problem-is-they-have-nothing-to-offer-b9d6ggmgg
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,583

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?

    As an aside, Blackpool isn't a city. I wonder why they chose that as a comparator against much larger cities? Would it not be better to compare Blackpool with (say) Telford, Ipswich, Huddersfield or Middlesborough, which are all towns of a similar size?
    What is, and is not, a city is not a very objective measure.

    Blackpool is a town, but neighbouring Preston is a city. They both have approximately the same population.
    Indeed; but that doesn't alter the fact they're comparing a settlement of ~150k people with others of half a million or more. And MattW's point is also correct.

    It'd be good to know where this data comes from, as comparisons between (say) Blackpool and Ipswich might be interesting, as both are seaside towns of similar size - albeit one was always more leisure, the other more industrial.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,285
    Scott_xP said:

    Today, a Conservative Party capable of thriving would be one able to have a conversation that the Faragists simply cannot join: about competence, tax, exports, business, moderation and a Burkean faith in the stability afforded by courts and institutions. Alas, the current Conservative Party is not capable of having that conversation either. Arguably from 2016, and certainly from 2019, successive leaders of the party have purged that whole tendency, often cheered on by their own membership. When one imagines today a party that could feasibly be led by David Cameron or George Osborne, let alone Ken Clarke or Rory Stewart, it is a long, long way away from the party the Conservatives currently have, or indeed the one the vast majority of them would currently put up with.

    To solve this problem, they first have to want to. Then, and only then, can they tackle the gimp. Shouldn’t be hard. The gimp’s sleeping.


    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/tories-problem-is-they-have-nothing-to-offer-b9d6ggmgg

    I said "Hugo Rifkind" before I clicked.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,545
    edited 6:09AM

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    The proportionate increase is lowest in Blackpool and highest in London. Many of the new claimants are younger folk - of which Blackpool has few and London many - with mental health issues. Older folk mostly with physical health issues are the baseline claimants, hence why Blackpool is higher.

    It's not a clear graph, anyhow, as the title "all out of work benefits" appears to conflict with the sub-heading "sickness" on the left?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,316

    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    He is turning these White House Meets like the weekly meeting in the Apprentice, you are trapped in there
    with nowhere to hide and he is going to set you up.
    The media have swung into gear to accuse Trump of confronting Ramaphosa with 'false claims'. See the Washington Post headline:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/
    If Trump opens his mouth, he’s usually making ‘false claims’. We all know this by now. Why are you rushing to defend Trump’s ‘claims’ this time? Is it the white supremacist angle?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,117

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?


    This site is losing its sense of humour.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,117
    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    The proportionate increase is lowest in Blackpool and highest in London. Many of the new claimants are younger folk - of which Blackpool has few and London many - with mental health issues. Older folk mostly with physical health issues are the baseline claimants, hence why Blackpool is higher.

    It's not a clear graph, anyhow, as the title "all out of work benefits" appears to conflict with the sub-heading "sickness" on the left?
    Good points. I can't see how being out of work is good for your mental health, and I can absolutely see how you can get stuck in it.

    Maybe the government needs a special back to work support programme, meaningfully funded, coupled by a time limit on some of these benefits.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,038
    Even better news.... Lineker's podcast.. which I have never listened to.... will not be available on BBC Sounds. He really has copped it for his arrogance.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,632

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    Press gangs? Really?

    As an aside, Blackpool isn't a city. I wonder why they chose that as a comparator against much larger cities? Would it not be better to compare Blackpool with (say) Telford, Ipswich, Huddersfield or Middlesborough, which are all towns of a similar size?
    Putting my skeptical hat on, I wonder how many of those in Blackpool etc have been shipped there by the other places on the graph to save money, and how that is covered in the figures.

    I'm sure there are definitions, but I'm not sure exactly where the graph comes from - I expect it, or the data, is from somewhere deep on the Govt website.
    If you are looking for cheap accommodation, somewhere with a lot of redundant B and Bs seems like an obvious place to look.

    It's not the only factor in the 'faded resort towns = Faragist' correlation, but it surely contributes.
    If Farage was ever to do anything about these B+B residents, it would mean the bankruptcy and closing down of them. I wonder if Reform voters considered that?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,023

    Even better news.... Lineker's podcast.. which I have never listened to.... will not be available on BBC Sounds. He really has copped it for his arrogance.

    I was surprised it was and I suspect that part of the deal came from Lineker wishing to offer something back to the BBC because there is big money in podcasts which is why people like Simon Mayo left the BBC.
  • IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    (Quota. No holiday photo today.)

    Fraud. On an epic scale.

    Press gangs in Blackpool please.
    The proportionate increase is lowest in Blackpool and highest in London. Many of the new claimants are younger folk - of which Blackpool has few and London many - with mental health issues. Older folk mostly with physical health issues are the baseline claimants, hence why Blackpool is higher.

    It's not a clear graph, anyhow, as the title "all out of work benefits" appears to conflict with the sub-heading "sickness" on the left?
    It's from Fraser Nelson - https://frasernelson.substack.com/p/are-there-really-6m-on-out-of-work
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,048

    NEW THREAD

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,493
    If Trump, and he probably wouldn't do this "rolled the tape" with Netanyahu everyone's heads would pop
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Just seen what Trump did to the South Africans, live in the Oval Office on TV

    They deserved every word. Not sure Trump did anything wrong, at all

    He is turning these White House Meets like the weekly meeting in the Apprentice, you are trapped in there
    with nowhere to hide and he is going to set you up.
    The media have swung into gear to accuse Trump of confronting Ramaphosa with 'false claims'. See the Washington Post headline:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/
    That’s the genius of Trump playing the video. Everyone has now seen the Oval Office footage where black South African politicians sing “kill the boer, kill the white man” to rapturous black crowds

    That looks awfully genocide…. Ish. Doesn’t it?

    So any attempt to spin this won’t work. Did they sing this or not? They sang this
    Mmm. Not really. We don't call the Irish genocidal for singing old rebel songs.

    If a genocide existed, there might be something to it. But we know how Trump operates - he projects BS and outright fabrications on the inside of his head, then uses his bully pulpit try and promote them further. He behaves like your crazy uncle who has escaped from the mental hospital. In this case there's perhaps some manipulation from Musk's views.

    Two of the outright inventions are Chump calling crosses put in a verge at a demo real graves, and that cars driving past are mourners - nope.
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