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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    They found the voter fraud...

    @yasharali.bsky.social‬

    Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard signed a sworn declaration stating that she was a resident of the State of Texas.

    But then she voted in Hawaii.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lmfsusla7s2n
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Remember when we had all that fuss and excitement about some politicians and the odd cop putting a few quid on the date of the election? What we have just seen is a $1trillion dollar play with inside information available to the Tech bros that surround the Orange one. It almost makes us seem quaint, old fashioned, even child like.

    No doubt the SEC is already on the case and charges will follow rapidly.

    The corrupt, contemptuous, lying and lawless nature of this fascistic USA regime is much more significant than its incompetence on tariffs.
    Tariffs has drowned out everything else for days. Covering up a range of authoritarian moves, and covering up too the abject fails on the proud promises on Ukraine/Russia etc.
    Yep. We have seen a total failure on Ukraine with Trump's peace plan going absolutely nowhere and the humiliation of Zelenskyy in the White House having been for nothing.

    We still have the absolutely bizarre beach front idea for Gaza floating about whilst the peace there that Trump was trying to claim credit for falling apart.

    We have this fiasco with tariffs.

    We have innocent people wrongfully sent to a third world jail.

    We have had the wilful disregard of court orders by government officials.

    It just goes on and on and on.
    When you are running a three ring circus, you need something happening in each ring at all times...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    @ivanthek.bsky.social‬

    Per CNBC: White House is now saying EU will not be punished for their retaliation because it hadn't gone into effect yet. So they only get the 10% baseline tariff.

    That excuse just tells you in black and white how much they've contorted themselves in order to back the fuck off this poor strategy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ivanthek.bsky.social/post/3lmfsmtxnlr2y
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,427
    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    11m
    TRUMP: We were up close to 3,000 points. Nobody has ever seen a day like that. I think that's a record, isn't it, fellas?

    LUTNICK: Definitely.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910068659768242514
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133
    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Remember when we had all that fuss and excitement about some politicians and the odd cop putting a few quid on the date of the election? What we have just seen is a $1trillion dollar play with inside information available to the Tech bros that surround the Orange one. It almost makes us seem quaint, old fashioned, even child like.

    No doubt the SEC is already on the case and charges will follow rapidly.

    The corrupt, contemptuous, lying and lawless nature of this fascistic USA regime is much more significant than its incompetence on tariffs.
    Tariffs has drowned out everything else for days. Covering up a range of authoritarian moves, and covering up too the abject fails on the proud promises on Ukraine/Russia etc.
    Yep. We have seen a total failure on Ukraine with Trump's peace plan going absolutely nowhere and the humiliation of Zelenskyy in the White House having been for nothing.

    We still have the absolutely bizarre beach front idea for Gaza floating about whilst the peace there that Trump was trying to claim credit for falling apart.

    We have this fiasco with tariffs.

    We have innocent people wrongfully sent to a third world jail.
    It seems that 90% of those deported to the El Salvador nick had not commited a crime in the USA.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-09/about-90-of-migrants-sent-to-salvador-lacked-us-criminal-record?utm_source=website&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=twitter?sref=NIGftWCk&embedded-checkout=true
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118
    This PSG team is the real deal. Breath taking performance against AV who played really well. And Doue. Next best player in the world.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,349
    Scott_xP said:

    @ivanthek.bsky.social‬

    Per CNBC: White House is now saying EU will not be punished for their retaliation because it hadn't gone into effect yet. So they only get the 10% baseline tariff.

    That excuse just tells you in black and white how much they've contorted themselves in order to back the fuck off this poor strategy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ivanthek.bsky.social/post/3lmfsmtxnlr2y

    They really must have panicked then. I seem to recall Donald telling everyone "Don’t be a PANICAN". He doesn't even heed his own advice.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,427
    Scott_xP said:

    @ivanthek.bsky.social‬

    Per CNBC: White House is now saying EU will not be punished for their retaliation because it hadn't gone into effect yet. So they only get the 10% baseline tariff.

    That excuse just tells you in black and white how much they've contorted themselves in order to back the fuck off this poor strategy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ivanthek.bsky.social/post/3lmfsmtxnlr2y

    Is there another formula with Greek letters to explain these new tariffs?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,833
    So where are we on Trumos tariffs as of 10pm?

    On? Off? Higher? Lower?

    Anyone remember Play Your Cards Right? 😂
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,275
    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    So the tariffs on Canada and Mexico are 10%, or 0%, depending who you ask

    The shitshow continues

    EDIT: or 25%...

    Pretty sure its still 25%. But that was nearly 15 minutes ago so who knows?
    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/1910065004394455167
    image

    Good to know those Fentanyl drug runners are being clobbered with increased tariffs.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,108
    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050

    Scott_xP said:

    @ivanthek.bsky.social‬

    Per CNBC: White House is now saying EU will not be punished for their retaliation because it hadn't gone into effect yet. So they only get the 10% baseline tariff.

    That excuse just tells you in black and white how much they've contorted themselves in order to back the fuck off this poor strategy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ivanthek.bsky.social/post/3lmfsmtxnlr2y

    Is there another formula with Greek letters to explain these new tariffs?
    https://bsky.app/profile/jeva.bsky.social/post/3lmfn7o2ogk2r
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,275

    Scott_xP said:

    @ivanthek.bsky.social‬

    Per CNBC: White House is now saying EU will not be punished for their retaliation because it hadn't gone into effect yet. So they only get the 10% baseline tariff.

    That excuse just tells you in black and white how much they've contorted themselves in order to back the fuck off this poor strategy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ivanthek.bsky.social/post/3lmfsmtxnlr2y

    Is there another formula with Greek letters to explain these new tariffs?
    The new tariffs could be upsilon or they may be kappa in some thetas, but however they lambda you can be sure they will Make America Beta Again.
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 52
    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    Yep. That's pretty much it. Watch next for bombing Iran once this tariff thing has been squeezed dry. He'll be wanting to do some military stuff (get that "situation room" shot) and it won't be against Russia or China, it'll be against some Muslims who can't fight back. The Houthi action was a template. That, like everything, was personal whim and intended for headlines and tough guy posturing. It's going to be a long 19 months to those midterms.
    He's a walking brand, and he wants to maintain and increase his personal wealth, which is mostly in his brand. Has he made money personally out of his tariff announcements? That's where he will have been coming from. He doesn't give a toss about China, US industry, trade balances, Red Sea navigation, the presidency, the constitution, his followers, Arctic security, fentanyl, or anything except from the POV of his brand, because his brand is where his wealth is. Probably nobody could have predicted the scale of market responses with much certainty, but knowing the timing in advance would have given him an advantage.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,312

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Counterpoint: Had Donald or Liz been freeer to do what they wanted, that would have been worse.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,427
    Alfie Tobutt
    @AlfieTobutt
    ·
    8m
    THE DAILY TELEGRAPH: Trump blinks first in trade war #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/AlfieTobutt/status/1910075972357140971
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,427
    Scott_xP said:
    It was the penguins wot won it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,272
    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    @lewis_goodall

    Bottom line: Trump a week ago, Trump told America that the full tariff package was a “liberation”. Today, he largely, though not completely, reversed course. Therefore, by his own logic America is less liberated than it was. The weakest day of his presidency so far.

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1910078745739927762
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Yes, but as a result, one is in chains and the other pulling the chains.

    It's an inherently controlling relationship.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,971
    Has Donald killed our 10% Brexit Bonus?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Savings can exist in other things, like shares or property, things that will attract future income without being debts.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,307
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    You can with banks having ratios between savings and loans.

    Or Central banks printing money and using it to buy up debt.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616
    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    Bottom line: Trump a week ago, Trump told America that the full tariff package was a “liberation”. Today, he largely, though not completely, reversed course. Therefore, by his own logic America is less liberated than it was. The weakest day of his presidency so far.

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1910078745739927762

    True, but the question is whether that message can get through to the Trump voters in their media bubble.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,391
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Me living within my income doesn't require anyone to exceed theirs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,427
    Andrew Neil
    @afneil

    Bond vigilantes 1 Trump 0

    Trump pauses his tsunami of tariffs after steepest fall in US government bond prices in 40 years. Wall Street traders were dumping US government debt, raising 30-year borrowing costs to 5%, a two-year high and above borrowing costs of Greece.

    Yields have surged by the largest amount since 1982 this week.
    Serious problems for refinancing US debt + issuing new debt.

    So Trump forced into a retreat. Who knows where we go from here.

    https://x.com/afneil/status/1910055894001319951
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616
    Susan Hall makes dodgy joke on Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23004k43l2o
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,913
    edited April 9

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Savings can exist in other things, like shares or property, things that will attract future income without being debts.
    A share is definitely a debt.

    Money is debt.

    Gold or property maybe not, though you can't do much bartering with your house.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    This guys is dumber than a sack of bricks...

    @atrupar.com‬

    Lutnick: "You just have to let Donald Trump drive the car, drive the ship, drive the plane -- however you want to call it. Donald Trump is in charge. He understands how to do this, and no one could do it better. And that's just what the market told you today ... never bet against Donald Trump."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmfwcsvycp23
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,743

    Susan Hall makes dodgy joke on Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23004k43l2o

    The image itself didn’t really show him drowning because he was clearly standing up with most of his torso out of the water
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,662

    Susan Hall makes dodgy joke on Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23004k43l2o

    Dopey woman. Worse behaviour from a public figure today:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c985555nr49o
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,427
    Stephen Miller
    @StephenM
    ·
    1h
    You have been watching the greatest economic master strategy from an American President in history.

    https://x.com/StephenM/status/1910052531742421475
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Savings can exist in other things, like shares or property, things that will attract future income without being debts.
    A share is definitely a debt.

    Money is debt.

    Gold or property maybe not, though you can't do much bartering with your house.
    A share has similarities to a debt, but it is a form of shared ownership.

    Islamic finance has a whole suite of instruments to avoid the prohibition on usury. (Now, you might say that these instruments look remarkably similar to paying interest on a debt...)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616

    Susan Hall makes dodgy joke on Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23004k43l2o

    The image itself didn’t really show him drowning because he was clearly standing up with most of his torso out of the water
    William, you're busy enough spinning for Donald Trump. Don't overwork yourself by trying to spin for a failed mayoral candidate.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,833

    Has Donald killed our 10% Brexit Bonus?

    Possibly. But he'll probably wake up tomorrow and change his mind again...
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,945

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    I fear you are right.

    When the world gets bored of tariff news as just Donald being Donald, what will he do next to raise the excitement levels?
    Iran.
    I’ve already pointed out the nuclear negotiations start imminently, we also had Bibi visiting Trump recently. It’s going to happen. Boom.
    Maybe invest the pension in companies that make bomb shelters
    “Vault-tec calling!”
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,298

    Susan Hall makes dodgy joke on Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23004k43l2o

    Always remember. If the Tories had nominated a halfway decent mayoral candidate, despite the bleak national picture, they actually might’ve had a semi-decent chance of winning.

    Instead, they nominated Susan Hall.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,913

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Savings can exist in other things, like shares or property, things that will attract future income without being debts.
    A share is definitely a debt.

    Money is debt.

    Gold or property maybe not, though you can't do much bartering with your house.
    A share has similarities to a debt, but it is a form of shared ownership.

    Islamic finance has a whole suite of instruments to avoid the prohibition on usury. (Now, you might say that these instruments look remarkably similar to paying interest on a debt...)
    You might...

    How does it work? Is there no explicit promise to pay (which would be a debt, surely).
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,756
    AnneJGP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I have to say that this episode and the Trussterfuck really do show that a country isn’t truly free while it has to refinance national debt on a regular basis. We really need to pay it down…

    Yep, to be free, you need to be free of debt. It's true from individual to richest country.
    One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.
    Me living within my income doesn't require anyone to exceed theirs.
    How do you think your money is created?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,662

    Susan Hall makes dodgy joke on Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23004k43l2o

    Always remember. If the Tories had nominated a halfway decent mayoral candidate, despite the bleak national picture, they actually might’ve had a semi-decent chance of winning.

    Instead, they nominated Susan Hall.
    Name a candidate who, if persuaded to stand, could win next time...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,743
    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493
    .

    Stephen Miller
    @StephenM
    ·
    1h
    You have been watching the greatest economic master strategy from an American President in history.

    https://x.com/StephenM/status/1910052531742421475

    He really is the Goebbels of the Trump admin.
    And about as convincing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    That’s how corporate America has boomed.
    For example, Apple’s assemblers in China make 5% margins, which enable Apple’s 40% margins. That’s not untypical.

    What you’re arguing for is a US economy which is worth dramatically less than it was last year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,087
    That’s enough small dick energy leading to chaos, for one day
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,662

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    Brick and mortar stores need high margins to pay for rent and rates and staff. Of course the margins on chinese tat are enormous - they have to be to cover the fixed costs. Nonetheless, there will always be things better bought in person. Especially with scandals such as:

    https://www.buffalo.edu/news/tipsheets/2024/amazon-commingling-products-expert-tipsheet.html
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,906
    Scott_xP said:

    This guys is dumber than a sack of bricks...

    @atrupar.com‬

    Lutnick: "You just have to let Donald Trump drive the car, drive the ship, drive the plane -- however you want to call it. Donald Trump is in charge. He understands how to do this, and no one could do it better. And that's just what the market told you today ... never bet against Donald Trump."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmfwcsvycp23

    Nobody does it better?

    Makes me feel sad for the rest!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,971

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    I suspect it's a point that hasn't been made for a whole raft of very good reasons.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,609

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    I wonder who or what Trumps Rosebud was.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133
    Scott_xP said:

    This guys is dumber than a sack of bricks...

    @atrupar.com‬

    Lutnick: "You just have to let Donald Trump drive the car, drive the ship, drive the plane -- however you want to call it. Donald Trump is in charge. He understands how to do this, and no one could do it better. And that's just what the market told you today ... never bet against Donald Trump."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmfwcsvycp23

    It's amazing. He has more abilities even than Kim Jong Un.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,564
    Trump's responses are interesting.

    "I've put 125% tariffs on Cheyna". Now they apparently have to grovel.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp8vyy35g3mt

    Why would China do anything except wait a week or two for the iPhones to run out in Texas?

    Who's the frog, Mr Trump?

    They won't grovel - the dogma of the Century of Humiliation will see to that. Probably correctly, because it was not the best time in the history of any Western Imperialist country, especially ours but also bandwagon jumpers like the USA.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,696
    carnforth said:

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    Brick and mortar stores need high margins to pay for rent and rates and staff. Of course the margins on chinese tat are enormous - they have to be to cover the fixed costs. Nonetheless, there will always be things better bought in person. Especially with scandals such as:

    https://www.buffalo.edu/news/tipsheets/2024/amazon-commingling-products-expert-tipsheet.html
    I thought that was common knowledge - never buy anything where Amazon isn't the only seller unless you can be 110% sure there is no chance of fakes/ counterfeits being sent.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,609
    Scott_xP said:

    This guys is dumber than a sack of bricks...

    @atrupar.com‬

    Lutnick: "You just have to let Donald Trump drive the car, drive the ship, drive the plane -- however you want to call it. Donald Trump is in charge. He understands how to do this, and no one could do it better. And that's just what the market told you today ... never bet against Donald Trump."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmfwcsvycp23

    I apologise for reminding anyone of this - but it came to mind :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

    Star Trekkin' across the universe,
    On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk.
    Star Trekkin' across the universe,
    Boldly going forward 'cause we can't find reverse.

    Lt. Uhura, report.

    There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
    There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,185
    ohnotnow said:

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    I wonder who or what Trumps Rosebud was.
    Gore Vidal claimed that Citizen Kane's reference to Rosebud wasn't the sled but the clitoris of Marion Davies, the lover of William Randolph Hurst.

    https://www.wellesnet.com/gore-vidal-on-rosebud-what-did-it-really-mean/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133
    viewcode said:
    There's no reason to put any of this on the table, nor chlorinated chicken.

    Trump is just encouraged by weakness to bully more.

    No negotiation until the tariffs are dropped, and even then sup with a very long spoon.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,564
    Hmmm.

    I wonder if Xi would make Trump go to Cheyna to negotiate.
  • MattW said:

    They won't grovel - the dogma of the Century of Humiliation will see to that. Probably correctly, because it was not the best time in the history of any Western Imperialist country, especially ours but also bandwagon jumpers like the USA.

    Correct. But Trump, like many Western politicians, has made no effort to learn how China's history drives its actions in the present day.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,564
    edited April 9
    viewcode said:
    I'm not sure if we can call that yet - it could be part of the delaying tactic whilst seeing what happens.

    I don't know how Lord Mandelbrot is advising that the set of cards be played.

    I think the one thing I have seen Mr Starmer be unequivocal on is online abuse images, as facilitated for example by Twitter reducing their use of removal software on their service.

    Trump is a man with a megaphone standing on a sandcastle as the tide comes in.
    Scott_xP said:

    This guys is dumber than a sack of bricks...

    @atrupar.com‬

    Lutnick: "You just have to let Donald Trump drive the car, drive the ship, drive the plane -- however you want to call it. Donald Trump is in charge. He understands how to do this, and no one could do it better. And that's just what the market told you today ... never bet against Donald Trump."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmfwcsvycp23

    He's certainly in charge of Mr Nutlick.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,662
    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    Brick and mortar stores need high margins to pay for rent and rates and staff. Of course the margins on chinese tat are enormous - they have to be to cover the fixed costs. Nonetheless, there will always be things better bought in person. Especially with scandals such as:

    https://www.buffalo.edu/news/tipsheets/2024/amazon-commingling-products-expert-tipsheet.html
    I thought that was common knowledge - never buy anything where Amazon isn't the only seller unless you can be 110% sure there is no chance of fakes/ counterfeits being sent.
    Amongst people like you and I - but not common.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,287
    "Twentieth Century Society
    Risk List

    For the first time, the Risk List also includes three Millennium-era buildings: The former National Centre for Popular Music in Sheffield (1999), National Wildflower Centre in Knowsley (2000), and Archaeolink Prehistory Park in Aberdeenshire (1997). Some 25 years after the turn of the new Millennium and 30 years since the creation of the National Lottery, which provided the funding for so many of these architecturally ambitious projects, their physical legacy is now increasingly vulnerable and bold new uses are required to ensure their continued survival."

    https://c20society.org.uk/buildings-at-risk
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,201

    ...

    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Pretty much the only thing left subsidised by the state for the benefit of business is the road network.
    Half the train network is effectively nationalised now
    If the Labour BBC Government were really a Labour Government they would have acquired the failing foreign owned water companies too.
    Dunno where the BBC entered the conversation. Sorry about that.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,287
    edited April 9
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    Try reading "The Kindness Of Women", one of his better efforts.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,253
    Reminder: The Loser surrendered to the Taliban.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,564
    edited April 9
    Andy_JS said:

    "Twentieth Century Society
    Risk List

    For the first time, the Risk List also includes three Millennium-era buildings: The former National Centre for Popular Music in Sheffield (1999), National Wildflower Centre in Knowsley (2000), and Archaeolink Prehistory Park in Aberdeenshire (1997). Some 25 years after the turn of the new Millennium and 30 years since the creation of the National Lottery, which provided the funding for so many of these architecturally ambitious projects, their physical legacy is now increasingly vulnerable and bold new uses are required to ensure their continued survival."

    https://c20society.org.uk/buildings-at-risk

    I'd say that Sheffield and Aberdeen (which is by Cullinan) are salvageable. Maybe.

    The Liverpool one, which is 500 ft long, and 13ft wide, looks to me to need a sugar daddy with money to burn. The National Wildflower Centre is now based at The Eden Project. It should imo failed the "on this planet?" test in 1993.

    Reading the original architectural bollocks on the concept at the risk register is revealing:

    https://c20society.org.uk/buildings-at-risk/national-centre-for-popular-music-sheffield
    https://c20society.org.uk/buildings-at-risk/archaeolink-prehistory-park-aberdeenshire
    https://c20society.org.uk/buildings-at-risk/national-wildflower-centre-merseyside

    The Cullinan one looks interesting - he always built for low impact and efficient running in my experiece.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,895

    Reminder: The Loser surrendered to the Taliban.

    Bush removed the Taliban, Obama killed Bin Laden, Biden handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,895
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,895
    MattW said:

    Trump's responses are interesting.

    "I've put 125% tariffs on Cheyna". Now they apparently have to grovel.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp8vyy35g3mt

    Why would China do anything except wait a week or two for the iPhones to run out in Texas?

    Who's the frog, Mr Trump?

    They won't grovel - the dogma of the Century of Humiliation will see to that. Probably correctly, because it was not the best time in the history of any Western Imperialist country, especially ours but also bandwagon jumpers like the USA.

    Even Biden imposed tariffs on China. Apple could also move more iPhone production to the US if they become too costly to import
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,201
    HYUFD said:
    It's nothing to do with free speech. It's a charter for groomers.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067
    Okay. I have sobered up now, I think I have correctly analysed what happened today.

    So it’s the bond markets that threw cold shower over Trumps “they are lining up to kiss my ass” hubris?

    But what exactly did they do? And why? If you wish to be ahead on what happens next, those are the questions.

    Firstly, bond prices PLUNGED.

    Going to RCS post “One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.” I understood falling equity should be partially offset by rising bond prices. But this week the bond prices plunged. Falling equity and plunging bonds, a rare double whammy to make anyone rethink. That answers the first question of what.

    Now it gets more complicated as to why. I’ll focus and two inputs, they both likely key players in poor demand for the bonds. There’s a practice called “basic trade” leveraged bets with goal of benefiting from futures price and bonds price, and the turmoil was forcing hedge funds to unwind these. Secondly, and more interestingly considering it would be more embarrassing for the White House if they hadn’t realised this would derail the master plan, China, as we have long time known, is a top holder of treasuries. And this week China let “the people’s currency” weaken against the dollar, perhaps very knowingly letting the markets know “Tarrif War” could become “Currency War.”

    What next? The stock markets may have moved positively on announcement of 90 day pause, but have the treasuries moved? If not, the threat of currency war remains spooking the markets like "sword of Damocles" hanging over Trumps tarrif plan. Maybe a lot more humiliating blinking to come 🙂
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 52
    edited April 9
    Roger said:

    Without coming across all Scott n’Paste, we now have it on record from Trump himself.

    He folded because the markets forced him to

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1910051147630498065?s=46

    Which makes him Liz Truss

    He's made the US look ridiculous and that's how it'll stay. The more sober countries will have as little to do with him as possible. Leaders queuing up to be first to kiss the ring is a thing of the past. The best he can hope for is an occasional sauna with Netanyahu
    Agreed but he already made the US look ridiculous in 2021 when the country's legislature didn't remove him from office for sending a violent mob to attack it, and then again in 2024 when the country's judicial system felt it couldn't act against him in any consequential way, on any of several charges, because he got himself elected president. He has managed to make all three branches of the state look ridiculous.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,201
    HYUFD said:

    Reminder: The Loser surrendered to the Taliban.

    Bush removed the Taliban, Obama killed Bin Laden, Biden handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban
    Trump made the deal with the Taliban which Biden enacted badly.

    Stop standing up for that Godless orange hood.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Okay. I have sobered up now, I think I have correctly analysed what happened today.

    So it’s the bond markets that threw cold shower over Trumps “they are lining up to kiss my ass” hubris?

    But what exactly did they do? And why? If you wish to be ahead on what happens next, those are the questions.

    Firstly, bond prices PLUNGED.

    Going to RCS post “One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.” I understood falling equity should be partially offset by rising bond prices. But this week the bond prices plunged. Falling equity and plunging bonds, a rare double whammy to make anyone rethink. That answers the first question of what.

    Now it gets more complicated as to why. I’ll focus and two inputs, they both likely key players in poor demand for the bonds. There’s a practice called “basic trade” leveraged bets with goal of benefiting from futures price and bonds price, and the turmoil was forcing hedge funds to unwind these. Secondly, and more interestingly considering it would be more embarrassing for the White House if they hadn’t realised this would derail the master plan, China, as we have long time known, is a top holder of treasuries. And this week China let “the people’s currency” weaken against the dollar, perhaps very knowingly letting the markets know “Tarrif War” could become “Currency War.”

    What next? The stock markets may have moved positively on announcement of 90 day pause, but have the treasuries moved? If not, the threat of currency war remains spooking the markets like "sword of Damocles" hanging over Trumps tarrif plan. Maybe a lot more humiliating blinking to come 🙂

    In the bigger picture, I still think this is the end of the era for free trade, the world will enter into time of what it will call “fair trade” more protectionism and targeted Tarrifs, though free traders will always be around with their argument, even as the world practically moves away from it.

    UK brexitted in era of free trade, does the “fair trade” type era support or undermine Brexit?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,743
    Nigelb said:

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    That’s how corporate America has boomed.
    For example, Apple’s assemblers in China make 5% margins, which enable Apple’s 40% margins. That’s not untypical.

    What you’re arguing for is a US economy which is worth dramatically less than it was last year.
    I'm arguing for a US economy where the benefits of globalisation are shared more equally instead of creamed off by the rich.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,287
    "Germany’s new centrist government is reassuring but bland
    Friedrich Merz’s promises to transform the country have been scaled back"

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/04/09/germanys-new-centrist-government-is-reassuring-but-bland
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,287
    edited April 10

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    Something I always notice when visiting the US is that a lot of things are ridiculously expensive but no-one complains, and I think the reason they don't is that there's a taboo in American society on saying anything that makes it sound like you might not be able to afford something, because being poor or anything close to it is the worst thing to admit to over there. So when someone starts charging $25 dollars for a sandwich that ought to cost $10, the company can be pretty sure that no (or very few) customers are going to say something like "This is just a ridiculous price and you're ripping us off" which is precisely what people would say in most other Western countries, particularly in Europe. Americans have to keep up the pretence that they're so well-off that they don't really care how much the product is, and companies take advantage of that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,272
    edited April 10
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    Try reading "The Kindness Of Women", one of his better efforts.
    Strangely enough, I read High Rise last year too

    And it has not aged well, @isam is certainly right about that.

    I made my way to the end, but only because I was absolutely determined to make it, and even though it because ever more ridiculous.

    What could have been an interesting study of a breakdown of society because just ... well... silly and uninteresting.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,711

    Okay. I have sobered up now, I think I have correctly analysed what happened today.

    So it’s the bond markets that threw cold shower over Trumps “they are lining up to kiss my ass” hubris?

    But what exactly did they do? And why? If you wish to be ahead on what happens next, those are the questions.

    Firstly, bond prices PLUNGED.

    Going to RCS post “One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.” I understood falling equity should be partially offset by rising bond prices. But this week the bond prices plunged. Falling equity and plunging bonds, a rare double whammy to make anyone rethink. That answers the first question of what.

    Now it gets more complicated as to why. I’ll focus and two inputs, they both likely key players in poor demand for the bonds. There’s a practice called “basic trade” leveraged bets with goal of benefiting from futures price and bonds price, and the turmoil was forcing hedge funds to unwind these. Secondly, and more interestingly considering it would be more embarrassing for the White House if they hadn’t realised this would derail the master plan, China, as we have long time known, is a top holder of treasuries. And this week China let “the people’s currency” weaken against the dollar, perhaps very knowingly letting the markets know “Tarrif War” could become “Currency War.”

    What next? The stock markets may have moved positively on announcement of 90 day pause, but have the treasuries moved? If not, the threat of currency war remains spooking the markets like "sword of Damocles" hanging over Trumps tarrif plan. Maybe a lot more humiliating blinking to
    come 🙂

    leveraged bets with goal of benefiting from futures price and bonds price,

    How many bets do people make where they DON’T intend to benefit from future price moves?

    (It’s basis trade, by the way)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,272

    Nigelb said:

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    That’s how corporate America has boomed.
    For example, Apple’s assemblers in China make 5% margins, which enable Apple’s 40% margins. That’s not untypical.

    What you’re arguing for is a US economy which is worth dramatically less than it was last year.
    I'm arguing for a US economy where the benefits of globalisation are shared more equally instead of creamed off by the rich.
    By making clothing more expensive for poor Americans?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,287
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    Try reading "The Kindness Of Women", one of his better efforts.
    Strangely enough, I read High Rise last year too

    And it has not aged well, @isam is certainly right about that.

    I made my way to the end, but only because I was absolutely determined to make it, and even though it because ever more ridiculous.

    What could have been an interesting study of a breakdown of society because just ... well... silly and uninteresting.
    I'm just about to read Concrete Island. Hoping it's as good as most reviews say.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,079

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    That point has been made several times on pb, especially with reference to the effect of branding.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493

    Reminder: The Loser surrendered to the Taliban.

    He just surrendered to the penguins.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493
    This the one that Mexico paid for ?

    Reporter: You said there would be no pause and now there’s a pause

    Trump: You have to have flexibility. I could say here’s a wall and I’m going to go through it and you can’t go through the wall. Sometimes you have to be able to go under the wall or around the wall or over the wall...

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1910050567927505084

    I'm not sure why the markets are celebrating in quite so exuberant a manner the total breakdown of trade between the world's two largest economies ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493
    About those billions that Trump wants to charge Europe for bombing the Houthis.

    The container ships are still all going around.
    https://x.com/typesfast/status/1910174081150025875
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,459
    Nigelb said:

    Reminder: The Loser surrendered to the Taliban.

    He just surrendered to the penguins.
    Not so fast.

    They still have to pay 10%.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493

    Nigelb said:

    Reminder: The Loser surrendered to the Taliban.

    He just surrendered to the penguins.
    Not so fast.

    They still have to pay 10%.
    That's just to remind them they can't trust him. Kind of a favour, really.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133

    Nigelb said:

    One point I haven't seen made about Trump's tariffs is that some of the markups on products that are branded in the US but made in Asia are extreme. When Trump talks about Americans being ripped off, he may be right, but it's actually other Americans who are the guilty parties, so the effect of tariffs could be neutral for consumers while hitting some people who have it coming.

    That’s how corporate America has boomed.
    For example, Apple’s assemblers in China make 5% margins, which enable Apple’s 40% margins. That’s not untypical.

    What you’re arguing for is a US economy which is worth dramatically less than it was last year.
    I'm arguing for a US economy where the benefits of globalisation are shared more equally instead of creamed off by the rich.
    But that isn't Trumps policy.

    He is bringing in tariffs as a tax on American consumers in order to fund tax cuts for the super-rich.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,454
    Good morning, everyone.

    What an absolute economic clownshow. It's good tariffs have largely been reduced to 10% rather than being higher for many, but how can you make a deal with the USA or an American company when they're doing the hokey-cokey like this?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493

    Good morning, everyone.

    What an absolute economic clownshow. It's good tariffs have largely been reduced to 10% rather than being higher for many, but how can you make a deal with the USA or an American company when they're doing the hokey-cokey like this?

    You talk to everyone else ?

    ‘We are nearly there’: UK and India agree 90% of free trade agreement
    Exclusive: Question of visas for Indian workers said to be nearly resolved and deal may be finalised this year
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/09/we-are-nearly-there-uk-and-india-agree-90-of-free-trade-agreement
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493
    Humans consciously process data really slowly. There’s no settled agreement on quite how slow, but it’s not fast…

    The Speed Of Human Thought Estimated At A Puzzling 10 Bits Per Second
    https://www.iflscience.com/the-speed-of-human-thought-estimated-at-a-puzzling-10-bits-per-second-77389

    This is quite persuasive.

    https://x.com/diviacaroline/status/1910098020743471260
    I just asked ChatGPT if it had any pet theories about how the world works that it hadn’t seen much elsewhere and I liked one of its responses! (I got two and was asked to pick which I preferred)

    “Absolutely, here’s one I find compelling and haven’t seen widely discussed:

    “Bandwidth economics” as a driver of social structure.
    We usually talk about economics in terms of money, resources, or incentives. But what if a major limiting factor in how societies develop—especially in group size, complexity, and norms—is cognitive and emotional bandwidth?

    Basically: humans only have so much attention, working memory, and emotional capacity to track others’ motivations, resolve ambiguity, and maintain shared understandings. Many social patterns—like hierarchy, taboo, bureaucratic ritual, or even ideologies—can be seen as compression strategies to make social life cognitively manageable. It’s like lossy JPEGs of messy reality.

    So:
    •Hierarchies = reduce the number of people you need to track carefully
    •Rituals = outsource behavioral decisions to shared scripts
    •Ideologies = heuristics for moral/emotional allocation without constant rethinking
    •Bureaucracies = attempt to systematize social interactions into predictable formats to minimize cognitive load

    In this view, many modern failures (e.g., political polarization, burnout in online activism, collapse of shared reality) are driven by bandwidth overflow. We’re exposed to way more people, data, and decisions than our brains evolved to handle…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,493
    Nigelb said:

    Humans consciously process data really slowly. There’s no settled agreement on quite how slow, but it’s not fast…

    The Speed Of Human Thought Estimated At A Puzzling 10 Bits Per Second
    https://www.iflscience.com/the-speed-of-human-thought-estimated-at-a-puzzling-10-bits-per-second-77389

    This is quite persuasive.

    https://x.com/diviacaroline/status/1910098020743471260
    I just asked ChatGPT if it had any pet theories about how the world works that it hadn’t seen much elsewhere and I liked one of its responses! (I got two and was asked to pick which I preferred)

    “Absolutely, here’s one I find compelling and haven’t seen widely discussed:

    “Bandwidth economics” as a driver of social structure.
    We usually talk about economics in terms of money, resources, or incentives. But what if a major limiting factor in how societies develop—especially in group size, complexity, and norms—is cognitive and emotional bandwidth?

    Basically: humans only have so much attention, working memory, and emotional capacity to track others’ motivations, resolve ambiguity, and maintain shared understandings. Many social patterns—like hierarchy, taboo, bureaucratic ritual, or even ideologies—can be seen as compression strategies to make social life cognitively manageable. It’s like lossy JPEGs of messy reality.

    So:
    •Hierarchies = reduce the number of people you need to track carefully
    •Rituals = outsource behavioral decisions to shared scripts
    •Ideologies = heuristics for moral/emotional allocation without constant rethinking
    •Bureaucracies = attempt to systematize social interactions into predictable formats to minimize cognitive load

    In this view, many modern failures (e.g., political polarization, burnout in online activism, collapse of shared reality) are driven by bandwidth overflow. We’re exposed to way more people, data, and decisions than our brains evolved to handle…

    These are not new ideas (obviously), but that’s quite succinct.

    So smashing hierarchies, social rituals, and bureaucracies, without serious though about how to reform or optimise them, is particularly stupid.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,185
    edited April 10

    Okay. I have sobered up now, I think I have correctly analysed what happened today.

    So it’s the bond markets that threw cold shower over Trumps “they are lining up to kiss my ass” hubris?

    But what exactly did they do? And why? If you wish to be ahead on what happens next, those are the questions.

    Firstly, bond prices PLUNGED.

    Going to RCS post “One person's debt is another person's savings. You can't have one without the other.” I understood falling equity should be partially offset by rising bond prices. But this week the bond prices plunged. Falling equity and plunging bonds, a rare double whammy to make anyone rethink. That answers the first question of what.

    Now it gets more complicated as to why. I’ll focus and two inputs, they both likely key players in poor demand for the bonds. There’s a practice called “basic trade” leveraged bets with goal of benefiting from futures price and bonds price, and the turmoil was forcing hedge funds to unwind these. Secondly, and more interestingly considering it would be more embarrassing for the White House if they hadn’t realised this would derail the master plan, China, as we have long time known, is a top holder of treasuries. And this week China let “the people’s currency” weaken against the dollar, perhaps very knowingly letting the markets know “Tarrif War” could become “Currency War.”

    What next? The stock markets may have moved positively on announcement of 90 day pause, but have the treasuries moved? If not, the threat of currency war remains spooking the markets like "sword of Damocles" hanging over Trumps tarrif plan. Maybe a lot more humiliating blinking to come 🙂

    In the bigger picture, I still think this is the end of the era for free trade, the world will enter into time of what it will call “fair trade” more protectionism and targeted Tarrifs, though free traders will always be around with their argument, even as the world practically moves away from it.

    UK brexitted in era of free trade, does the “fair trade” type era support or undermine Brexit?
    It undermines it. You will recall the cover of the Spectator on Brexit "out into the world" or some such. One of the arguments for Brexit was that EU membership inhibited trade with the rest of the world, and Brexit would enable it. Your Fair Trade World cuts that off at the kneecaps.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    Nigelb said:

    “Bandwidth economics” as a driver of social structure.
    We usually talk about economics in terms of money, resources, or incentives. But what if a major limiting factor in how societies develop—especially in group size, complexity, and norms—is cognitive and emotional bandwidth?

    IIRC W. L. Gore (inventors of Goretex) empirically discovered something along those lines, and the whole company is organised into small groups. If any one group needs to expand, it is split into multiple groups
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,305
    "The ex-partner of a millionaire horse racing tipster who "tortured" women and filmed the abuse has warned someone could die if he is not stopped.

    Kevin Booth was given a worldwide travel ban after a Scottish civil court heard how he attacked his victims in an underground chamber at his remote Highland home and in foreign hotel rooms."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyqj2739zdo
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,499
    edited April 10

    Scott_xP said:
    It was the penguins wot won it.
    An overleveraged Japanese Hedge fund apparently.

    Can’t say I fully understand it.

    But it’s a relief

    https://x.com/spencerhakimian/status/1910078058503283138?s=61

    Anyone portraying this as a victory for Trump is mistaken. As I said yesterday he blinked

    https://x.com/conorsen/status/1910149736339812544?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,499
    Nigelb said:

    This the one that Mexico paid for ?

    Reporter: You said there would be no pause and now there’s a pause

    Trump: You have to have flexibility. I could say here’s a wall and I’m going to go through it and you can’t go through the wall. Sometimes you have to be able to go under the wall or around the wall or over the wall...

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1910050567927505084

    I'm not sure why the markets are celebrating in quite so exuberant a manner the total breakdown of trade between the world's two largest economies ?

    The markets still haven’t fully recovered. Perhaps they’re assuming a deal will be done.

    I think it unlikely this will not be resolved soon.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133
    A fascinating tale of the Russian/Bulgarian spy ring based in Great Yarmouth, recently on trial at the Old Bailey, and lost amongst the Trump psychodrama. A tale of high tech spying, false flag Russophobia, surveillance and even planting false stories of a Wuhan lab leak to discredit a journalist.

    https://warontherocks.com/2025/04/putins-spies-for-hire-what-the-u-k-s-biggest-espionage-trial-revealed-about-kremlin-tactics-in-wartime-europe/
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