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  • FossFoss Posts: 1,394

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    SPOILER

    The rapist shoots the architect and then gets stabbed to death. It’s a socialist allegory of the failure of Thatcherism.

    With Farage calling for nationalisation yesterday, it felt a bit like something being stabbed? Like a kind of

    “I have heard about Thatcherism, but it’s not a theory I have ever ascribed to.”

    High Rise was written before Thatcher became leader of the opposition let alone instigated Thatcherism.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,747
    Goldman Sachs rescinds recession call:

    https://x.com/jimpethokoukis/status/1910036768768016528
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    The Mad King is now taking a victory lap
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,201
    edited April 9
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is now taking a victory lap

    Thank f*** no one sold him new clothes.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,390
    Following on from a previous comment, the King is getting another really positive reception on a State visit.

    After Germany and France, the Italians too seem to be giving him a really friendly reception, indeed are practically cheering him on.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    This is good.

    JUST NOW: Rep Steven Horsford GRILLS Jamieson Greer on Donald Trump’s tariff reversal: “Is this market manipulation? If it’s not market manipulation, what is it? Who’s benefiting? What billionaire just got richer?”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1910032580822303011
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,288
    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,189
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    They made a film

    trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKPghZ5cc_E
    kermode and mayo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hY3LQAdfTY
    fan review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSNdN4gToQE
    wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Rise_(film)
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Its not just that I think. Many modern jobs are wholly lacking in purpose many are "make work" that add no value at all. Working in a factory may be hard but you saw the end result of your labours at the end of the day.
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 54
    Tesla stock is up 21%.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,612

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Don't forget they could join a politics forum!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,716

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Yes, voting for shambolic fascists seems an odd response to boredom.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616
    So, as kinda predicted, Trump kinda reverses but pretends it’s a victory. The instability will kill the US economy more slowly, even if tariffs don’t kill it quickly.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 923
    Bogota said:

    This is good.

    JUST NOW: Rep Steven Horsford GRILLS Jamieson Greer on Donald Trump’s tariff reversal: “Is this market manipulation? If it’s not market manipulation, what is it? Who’s benefiting? What billionaire just got richer?”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1910032580822303011

    Yep, millions of ordinary folk around the world have taken a cut on their pension/investments as fund "sell" limits were triggered and some very rich people are a bit richer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,716
    Bogota said:

    This is good.

    JUST NOW: Rep Steven Horsford GRILLS Jamieson Greer on Donald Trump’s tariff reversal: “Is this market manipulation? If it’s not market manipulation, what is it? Who’s benefiting? What billionaire just got richer?”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1910032580822303011

    Markets bouncing up and down daily on the incoherent utterings of a single individual certainly presents "opportunities" for him and his cronies.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    Donny's not gonna like this...

    @LisPower1

    Fox News anchor: "The art of the deal is all over the Twittersphere right now as people say, maybe this is the way he planned it"

    Fox Business Sr. correspondent: "I want to tell you Donald Trump outsmarted the world, but that's not really what happened here"

    https://x.com/LisPower1/status/1910033143366582512
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,312
    DavidL said:

    Trump folds to the bond market and withdraws his "permanent" tariffs for 90 days. Well, its good news of a sort but we are still a long way from anywhere like sanity. And China might just be annoyed enough to keep going with this.

    What an arse this man is.

    Why shouldn't China keep going? They still have big tariffs imposed on them, and they have seen that Trump folds under pressure.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,288
    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,817
    Not sure what is funnier - the Trump capitulation or the PB MAGA people insisting it’s brilliant strategy.

    We’re not even back at status quo ante. Trump has nuked the global economy but thinks he can reset us back to 10%, wage war with China and then expect the world to come crawling over in submission.

    Remember:
    Trade imbalances are countries like Vietnam ripping off America
    The EU was created to screw over America
    Tariffs will restore the might of America.

    But apparently now scrapping all of them bar 10% and China will MAGA

    Even if that’s now it. All we get is a 10% hike in the price of practically everything in America. A huge hike in prices of things Americans like to buy at Chinese prices. And a global economy not willing to touch America with a pole because God alone knows what he will do next week. Tomorrow. Later today.

    And Moonie thinks he’s won? Hadn’t realised she also was from the Common Clay of the New West
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,913

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    I fear you are right.

    When the world gets bored of tariff news as just Donald being Donald, what will he do next to raise the excitement levels?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,560
    edited April 9
    It’s a bloody shambles! You’ve lost your team billions of dollars! Your whole team are out of control, but as project manager, I hold you responsible. Donald, you’re fired!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118

    DavidL said:

    Trump folds to the bond market and withdraws his "permanent" tariffs for 90 days. Well, its good news of a sort but we are still a long way from anywhere like sanity. And China might just be annoyed enough to keep going with this.

    What an arse this man is.

    Why shouldn't China keep going? They still have big tariffs imposed on them, and they have seen that Trump folds under pressure.
    I think that they will. But will they sell more of their $750bn of US Treasuries? That's the next move if they are serious.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,747
    Scott_xP said:

    Donny's not gonna like this...

    @LisPower1

    Fox News anchor: "The art of the deal is all over the Twittersphere right now as people say, maybe this is the way he planned it"

    Fox Business Sr. correspondent: "I want to tell you Donald Trump outsmarted the world, but that's not really what happened here"

    https://x.com/LisPower1/status/1910033143366582512

    People who were betting against the Donald by shorting the market lost bigly.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,696
    College said:

    Tesla stock is up 21%.

    As I said earlier there is no logic to that stock...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,390
    kinabalu said:

    Bogota said:

    This is good.

    JUST NOW: Rep Steven Horsford GRILLS Jamieson Greer on Donald Trump’s tariff reversal: “Is this market manipulation? If it’s not market manipulation, what is it? Who’s benefiting? What billionaire just got richer?”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1910032580822303011

    Markets bouncing up and down daily on the incoherent utterings of a single individual certainly presents "opportunities" for him and his cronies.
    In the end the whole system starts to be discounted and so there is a price for this corruption that is paid by the US as a whole because all the crap gets priced in. That is already happening.

    The bond market may recover a fair bit in the short term, but the US equity market? I doubt it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    @BoKnowsNews

    Quite the moment: U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer, who oversees the implementation of the tariffs, was testifying in front of the U.S. House Ways & Means committee when President Trump posted online about the 90-day pause on the global tariffs. By this point, Greer had defended the tariff strategy for 2+ hours and did not hint on an incoming massive pause.

    Representative Steven Horsford, a Democrat from Nevada, was the first lawmaker to ask Greer about the pause announcement. “It looks like your boss just pulled out the rug from under you and paused the tariffs,” Horsford told Greer, “There is no strategy, you just found out three seconds ago, sitting here, we saw you.”

    “WTF! Who is in charge?!” Horsford yelled at Greer. “The president of the United States is in charge,” Greer responded.

    Horsford ask Greer if he knew this was going to happen. “We have been discussing all kinds of options,” Greer said, noting he does not disclose his discussions with the president.

    https://x.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1910034807377256667
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,716

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    Yep. That's pretty much it. Watch next for bombing Iran once this tariff thing has been squeezed dry. He'll be wanting to do some military stuff (get that "situation room" shot) and it won't be against Russia or China, it'll be against some Muslims who can't fight back. The Houthi action was a template. That, like everything, was personal whim and intended for headlines and tough guy posturing. It's going to be a long 19 months to those midterms.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,501
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,817
    Confirmed. We still get a 25% tariff on cars and steel
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,501
    eek said:

    College said:

    Tesla stock is up 21%.

    As I said earlier there is no logic to that stock...
    It’s a growth stock whose earnings have stopped growing. I don’t get why people would pile in.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,716

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    I fear you are right.

    When the world gets bored of tariff news as just Donald being Donald, what will he do next to raise the excitement levels?
    Iran.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,817
    Without coming across all Scott n’Paste, we now have it on record from Trump himself.

    He folded because the markets forced him to

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1910051147630498065?s=46

    Which makes him Liz Truss
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,501
    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    I fear you are right.

    When the world gets bored of tariff news as just Donald being Donald, what will he do next to raise the excitement levels?
    Iran.
    I’ve already pointed out the nuclear negotiations start imminently, we also had Bibi visiting Trump recently. It’s going to happen. Boom.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,286
    Taz said:
    That rumour is simply coming from Trump's comments earlier:

    "A deal is going to be made with China," he told reporters. "A deal is going to be made with every one of them."

    It's hardly a reliable source.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,896
    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Even Royal Mail has had to modernise and become more efficient since privatisation, its new owner also has the money to put into it
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118

    Without coming across all Scott n’Paste, we now have it on record from Trump himself.

    He folded because the markets forced him to

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1910051147630498065?s=46

    Which makes him Liz Truss

    If the man was capable of embarrassment....
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 923
    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Pretty much the only thing left subsidised by the state for the benefit of business is the road network.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,896

    Andy_JS said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects

    Germany, Ipsos poll:

    AfD-ESN: 25% (+3)
    CDU/CSU-EPP: 24% (-5)
    SPD-S&D: 15%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 11% (-1)
    LINKE-LEFT: 11% (+2)
    BSW-NI: 5%
    FDP-RE: 4%

    +/- vs. 28 February-1 March 2025

    Fieldwork: 4-5 April 2025
    Sample size: 1,000

    http://europeelects.eu/germany"

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/1909960115035279632

    Given that the next elections are years away why are they running polls?
    Do you also think we shouldn't have opinion polls in this country on the basis that we recently had a general election?
    On the day the CDU and SPD shook hands on a grand coalition, BBC PM got very excited by this poll. If someone is happy to pay for the polling, they can fill their boots I suppose.
    So in another words the poll is now CDU and SPD governing coalition 39%, AfD 25%
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,501
    edited April 9

    Without coming across all Scott n’Paste, we now have it on record from Trump himself.

    He folded because the markets forced him to

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1910051147630498065?s=46

    Which makes him Liz Truss

    Well they were auctioning off 39 billion USD of 10 year treasuries.

    Went well too.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/us-treasury-10-year-note-auction-outcome-shows-strong-demand-2025-04-09/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,896
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Pretty much the only thing left subsidised by the state for the benefit of business is the road network.
    Half the train network is effectively nationalised now
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,616
    The Dow Jones is still 4.7% down over the last 6 months. That’s not as bad as it was, but it’s still a very bad statistic for the Republicans’ economic credibility. It will still mean fewer jobs.
  • FffsFffs Posts: 100
    Dopermean said:

    Bogota said:

    This is good.

    JUST NOW: Rep Steven Horsford GRILLS Jamieson Greer on Donald Trump’s tariff reversal: “Is this market manipulation? If it’s not market manipulation, what is it? Who’s benefiting? What billionaire just got richer?”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1910032580822303011

    Yep, millions of ordinary folk around the world have taken a cut on their pension/investments as fund "sell" limits were triggered and some very rich people are a bit richer.
    What "sell" limits? Surely almost no one has placed stop-loss orders in their pension accounts? It makes absolutely no sense in a long term position.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,783
    Day 2 in Croatia. Trip to the Elaphiti Islands. Eating fresh fish and drinking a bottle of rather nice wine on a boat is almost unbearably agreeable. Not least because - my group being otherwise composed of children and teetotallers - I have the whole bottle to myself.
    Got talking to a middle aged woman holidaying alone whose outward positivity failed to mask an excrutiating bitterness towards her ex-husband, and an engaging Partick-Thistle supporting ex-lobster fisherman.
    Took this photo, which I rather liked, apart from the unknown chump on the right hand side. Who while rendering the photo unmarketable as a postcard, actually makes it much more interesting. What on earth is he doing?


    The Dutch waterpolo team are staying at my hotel (to the great interest of the bitter divorcee). There are about 30 of them and they are all built like Captain Carrot Ironfounderson. They average about 6'4". They are playing a warmup game against Croatia before the world cup in Montenegro.
    There is also a team from Saudi Arabia and a smattering of individuals declaring them to be representing Thailand, Kosovo, Kazakhstan or Indonesia. Almost everyone who isn't Dutch looks pitiful and runty. Assuming they're playing the same sport, they're going to get absolutely battered.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    edited April 9
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Even Royal Mail has had to modernise and become more efficient since privatisation, its new owner also has the money to put into it
    We have to decide whether we want something highly regulated that must get letters and parcels to everyone for the same price (in which case it’s a public service and nationalise it), or to create a meaningful player in the parcel market, in which case we’ve missed the boat .

    Ergo, nationalise both it and the post office, reunify them and rationalise its estate with respect to other government sites in the community like job centres and town halls; whilst using it to guarantee banking services without over-regulating banks.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,817
    Would the PB MAGA massiv care to comment?Trump won they said only a few hours ago. It was a brilliant win for his brilliant strategy they said.

    Trump - I folded because the bond markets forced me.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,312

    Would the PB MAGA massiv care to comment?Trump won they said only a few hours ago. It was a brilliant win for his brilliant strategy they said.

    Trump - I folded because the bond markets forced me.

    It would have been brilliant if the fools and weaklings hadn't betrayed me.

    Which does sound pretty familiar.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,747

    The Dow Jones is still 4.7% down over the last 6 months. That’s not as bad as it was, but it’s still a very bad statistic for the Republicans’ economic credibility. It will still mean fewer jobs.

    Fewer jobs means less need for migrant labour. In an age of automation it’s madness to think that “creating jobs” should be the focus of politics.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,201
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Pretty much the only thing left subsidised by the state for the benefit of business is the road network.
    Half the train network is effectively nationalised now
    If the Labour BBC Government were really a Labour Government they would have acquired the failing foreign owned water companies too.
  • The Prodigy as backround music to the final scenes of the first 2 episodes of Mobland. Perfection. That is all.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119

    Would the PB MAGA massiv care to comment?Trump won they said only a few hours ago. It was a brilliant win for his brilliant strategy they said.

    Trump - I folded because the bond markets forced me.

    It would have been brilliant if the fools and weaklings hadn't betrayed me.

    Which does sound pretty familiar.
    Have you just seen him on camera boasting about the stock market rally. Yeah Don crater the market by nearly 25% fold on tariffs get a 10% rally in one day and call it a win.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,664
    Just picked up a bottle of cheapo Aussie Shiraz from the dodgier of two corner shops near me. Only noticed when I got it home it's from 2017. God knows which sofa they found it down the back of.

    Actually tastes pretty good.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118

    KPMG chief economist: "Uncertainty is its own tax on the economy.”

    Spot on. The damage this idiocy is doing is incalculable.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,306
    For some reason, the BBC showing Trump signing Executive Orders.

    And he said that the new Israeli ambassador would really bring home the bacon... :)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,783
    On thread - I've always hedged my bets by allowing for the possibility that its 4D chess rather than crass imbecility. You should always allow for the possibility that your opponent is smarter than you think. At the very least, the gambit of ridiculously-aggressive-opening-offer-to-make-what-comes-next-seem-agreeable-by-comparison seems to be Trump's MO and should not be discounted. And I'm totally prepared to believe that this is some sort of kleptocracy. But it is looking more and more like government-by-whim-of-a-moron.

    Still, I'm not yet discounting the possibility of some evil and unseen strategy behind it all.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,945
    edited April 9

    Scott_xP said:

    @faisalislam

    Consensus view is this is Trump folding bigly after the bond market fright… eg smart guys at Capital Economics below ….

    The Rose Garden chart and the equation is done:

    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1910040685174018490

    The text he quotes predicts that this will end up with the universal 10% tariff that he campaigned on.
    So a magnificent game of 4D chess?
    A 10% tariff - plus a massive bonfire of good will which will take decades to recover.
    I'm hearing that..... the 10% tariffs DO apply to Canada and Mexico (they didn't previously) so that means Trump has reduced tariffs for MOST countries (not the UK, obviously); the EU position is unclear but tariffs have gone up for China, Mexico and Canada, the latter by 10%.

    Source: 2.14pm EST: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/04/08/business/trump-tariffs-stock-market/heres-the-latest
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,724

    The Dow Jones is still 4.7% down over the last 6 months. That’s not as bad as it was, but it’s still a very bad statistic for the Republicans’ economic credibility. It will still mean fewer jobs.

    Fewer jobs means less need for migrant labour. In an age of automation it’s madness to think that “creating jobs” should be the focus of politics.
    Okay, you had us fooled for a long time, but you jumped the shark with that one. Well done for keeping the pretence going for so long, though. You got us good.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,390
    Bogota said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Its not just that I think. Many modern jobs are wholly lacking in purpose many are "make work" that add no value at all. Working in a factory may be hard but you saw the end result of your labours at the end of the day.
    I think there's a lot of romanticism about factory work. I've never done it but I'm sure that it can be just as soul-sapping as anything else.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,971

    Bogota said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Its not just that I think. Many modern jobs are wholly lacking in purpose many are "make work" that add no value at all. Working in a factory may be hard but you saw the end result of your labours at the end of the day.
    I think there's a lot of romanticism about factory work. I've never done it but I'm sure that it can be just as soul-sapping as anything else.
    'It's like prison' is a phrase I've heard from people that did.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,097

    Bogota said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Its not just that I think. Many modern jobs are wholly lacking in purpose many are "make work" that add no value at all. Working in a factory may be hard but you saw the end result of your labours at the end of the day.
    I think there's a lot of romanticism about factory work. I've never done it but I'm sure that it can be just as soul-sapping as anything else.
    And finger-snapping.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118
    Remember when we had all that fuss and excitement about some politicians and the odd cop putting a few quid on the date of the election? What we have just seen is a $1trillion dollar play with inside information available to the Tech bros that surround the Orange one. It almost makes us seem quaint, old fashioned, even child like.

    No doubt the SEC is already on the case and charges will follow rapidly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    @GlennThrush

    Takeaway from the Trump avail: he simply gets a massive buzz out of being able to make everybody jump up and down regardless of the actual outcome

    https://x.com/GlennThrush/status/1910058086573789461

    The Chinese didn't jump. What happens next is important
  • Bogota said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Its not just that I think. Many modern jobs are wholly lacking in purpose many are "make work" that add no value at all. Working in a factory may be hard but you saw the end result of your labours at the end of the day.
    I think there's a lot of romanticism about factory work. I've never done it but I'm sure that it can be just as soul-sapping as anything else.
    I've worked in factories back in the 80s and 90s. They were just jobs that paid money. If you could hack it, the overtime was great but I once worked nine twelve hour night shifts in a row. Nowt romantic about that.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,399

    Without coming across all Scott n’Paste, we now have it on record from Trump himself.

    He folded because the markets forced him to

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1910051147630498065?s=46

    Which makes him Liz Truss

    He's made the US look ridiculous and that's how it'll stay. The more sober countries will have as little to do with him as possible. Leaders queuing up to be first to kiss the ring is a thing of the past. The best he can hope for is an occasional sauna with Netanyahu
  • glwglw Posts: 10,349

    Without coming across all Scott n’Paste, we now have it on record from Trump himself.

    He folded because the markets forced him to

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1910051147630498065?s=46

    Which makes him Liz Truss

    There aren't many positive things to say about Trump but I do like the way he will happily take those that defend him and prove them wrong without hesitation, revealing his supporters to be nothing but rubes.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,783

    Bogota said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A rather unsettling article in the New Statesman.

    "The West is bored to death
    Our nihilistic politics are a product of the crushing ennui and spiritual vacancy of modern life.
    By Stuart Whatley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2025/04/the-west-is-bored-to-death

    Quote

    "American greatness has produced a society whose members know not what to do with the freedom and abundance that earlier generations secured. We are now witnessing the squandering of this inheritance, and it is even more idiotic and vulgar a spectacle than anyone would expect."

    I suspect there is much in this, but really, people only have themselves to blame if they're bored. Read a book. Join a choir. Go for a walk. Take up birdwatching. Go to church. Do community theatre. Join a political party. Join a walking group. There are so many things to do, people just need to get off their arse.
    Its not just that I think. Many modern jobs are wholly lacking in purpose many are "make work" that add no value at all. Working in a factory may be hard but you saw the end result of your labours at the end of the day.
    I think there's a lot of romanticism about factory work. I've never done it but I'm sure that it can be just as soul-sapping as anything else.
    Hm. Someone (Marx? Ruskin?) said that the problem with factory work was exactly that: that the worker wasremoved from the fruits of his labours. And from personal experience its certainly true that there's not much satisfaction in being a production line drone.
    I think Bogota's point works though if by 'factory work' you consider the sort of skilled labour which makes steel, or cars. There are some 'factory' jobs which allow the worker a sense ofpride and satisfaction in what he produces. By no means all, however.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,288
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,501
    carnforth said:

    Just picked up a bottle of cheapo Aussie Shiraz from the dodgier of two corner shops near me. Only noticed when I got it home it's from 2017. God knows which sofa they found it down the back of.

    Actually tastes pretty good.

    I’m guessing it hadn’t been laid down and aged ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    @AllieRenison

    Deal or no deal

    In the UK we’ve seen this reel before

    Brexit the movie, on steroids

    https://x.com/AllieRenison/status/1910062633148887455
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,783

    Sorry, I'm reading further and the 10% base doesn't apply to Canada and Mexico after all.

    But the fact that the White House had to clarify means the shit show continues.

    How can you do business with a country that swings from 10% to 99% tariffs in the space of a few hours then back again?

    Aside from anything else, this must be tremendously diffixult to administer, both for government workers and businesses.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,121
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    I fear you are right.

    When the world gets bored of tariff news as just Donald being Donald, what will he do next to raise the excitement levels?
    Iran.
    I’ve already pointed out the nuclear negotiations start imminently, we also had Bibi visiting Trump recently. It’s going to happen. Boom.
    Maybe invest the pension in companies that make bomb shelters
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    edited April 9
    So the tariffs on Canada and Mexico are 10%, or 0%, depending who you ask

    The shitshow continues

    EDIT: or 25%...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,434
    Will Hutton
    @williamnhutton
    ·
    1m
    The 90 day pause is good news - sanity in a sea of idiocy - but the lunatic framework remains in place, uncertainty is acute and the sword of Damocles hangs over the global economy. The rest of the world has 90 days to get an alternative trade order in place. Action now.

    https://x.com/williamnhutton/status/1910065101132210385
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,204
    DavidL said:

    Remember when we had all that fuss and excitement about some politicians and the odd cop putting a few quid on the date of the election? What we have just seen is a $1trillion dollar play with inside information available to the Tech bros that surround the Orange one. It almost makes us seem quaint, old fashioned, even child like.

    No doubt the SEC is already on the case and charges will follow rapidly.

    Headed by MAGA Uyada ? 😆
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,783
    Cookie said:

    Day 2 in Croatia. Trip to the Elaphiti Islands. Eating fresh fish and drinking a bottle of rather nice wine on a boat is almost unbearably agreeable. Not least because - my group being otherwise composed of children and teetotallers - I have the whole bottle to myself.
    Got talking to a middle aged woman holidaying alone whose outward positivity failed to mask an excrutiating bitterness towards her ex-husband, and an engaging Partick-Thistle supporting ex-lobster fisherman.
    Took this photo, which I rather liked, apart from the unknown chump on the right hand side. Who while rendering the photo unmarketable as a postcard, actually makes it much more interesting. What on earth is he doing?


    The Dutch waterpolo team are staying at my hotel (to the great interest of the bitter divorcee). There are about 30 of them and they are all built like Captain Carrot Ironfounderson. They average about 6'4". They are playing a warmup game against Croatia before the world cup in Montenegro.
    There is also a team from Saudi Arabia and a smattering of individuals declaring them to be representing Thailand, Kosovo, Kazakhstan or Indonesia. Almost everyone who isn't Dutch looks pitiful and runty. Assuming they're playing the same sport, they're going to get absolutely battered.

    The Kosovo team have just walked into the bar, which is largely populated by the Dutch squad (plus a herd of pensioners from Wexford, plus a gaggle of teenage girls on a school trip). The Kosovars look like a different species. None of them make 5'10", they look skinny and weedy and apologetic, and several sport the sort of crappy moustaches you might see an ambitious but misguided 14 year old boy from one of the rougher parts of town wear. The Dutch are huge and happy and strong and strapping. The Kosovars are going to get absolutely annihilated if they are part of the same tournament.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,434
    Whitmer torches her 2028 run early.


    Kathryn Watson
    @kathrynw5
    Gretchen Whitmer is in the Oval Office with Trump right now, on camera. They've been talking military bases

    https://x.com/kathrynw5/status/1910059817521102848
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118
    Scott_xP said:

    So the tariffs on Canada and Mexico are 10%, or 0%, depending who you ask

    The shitshow continues

    EDIT: or 25%...

    Pretty sure its still 25%. But that was nearly 15 minutes ago so who knows?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,312

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Trump tells his followers to buy stock in the morning, minutes after the market opens, then announces he is pausing tariffs 4 hours later.

    Nothing to see here.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lmfkvkuvks2w

    Hardly insider trading, saw it reposted on X earlier lol
    I think it's clear insider trading. Trump was in possession of market sensitive news and communicated it to his friends.

    A million years in Mordor at best.
    Does he know what he is doing from one minute to the next? There's no plan here.
    The plan is to dominate the news cycle, every day. The easy way to do that is to raise some tariff or lower another tariff. It seems likely he’s got plenty more days of doing that in him.
    I fear you are right.

    When the world gets bored of tariff news as just Donald being Donald, what will he do next to raise the excitement levels?
    Iran.
    I’ve already pointed out the nuclear negotiations start imminently, we also had Bibi visiting Trump recently. It’s going to happen. Boom.
    Maybe invest the pension in companies that make bomb shelters
    Appropriately enough for Tom Lehrer's birthday;

    We will all go together when we go.
    All suffused with an incandescent glow.
    No one will have the endurance
    To collect on his insurance,
    Lloyd's of London will be loaded when they go.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    So the tariffs on Canada and Mexico are 10%, or 0%, depending who you ask

    The shitshow continues

    EDIT: or 25%...

    Pretty sure its still 25%. But that was nearly 15 minutes ago so who knows?
    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/1910065004394455167
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    SPOILER

    The rapist shoots the architect and then gets stabbed to death. It’s a socialist allegory of the failure of Thatcherism.

    With Farage calling for nationalisation yesterday, it felt a bit like something being stabbed? Like a kind of

    “I have heard about Thatcherism, but it’s not a theory I have ever ascribed to.”

    Is Farage doing a reverse JD Vance? I read his book last year and did finish it
    Farage will clean up Labour constituency after Labour constituency, if retaining policy of zero immigration whilst tacking to the left and nationalisation on economics.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Cookie said:

    On thread - I've always hedged my bets by allowing for the possibility that its 4D chess rather than crass imbecility. You should always allow for the possibility that your opponent is smarter than you think. At the very least, the gambit of ridiculously-aggressive-opening-offer-to-make-what-comes-next-seem-agreeable-by-comparison seems to be Trump's MO and should not be discounted. And I'm totally prepared to believe that this is some sort of kleptocracy. But it is looking more and more like government-by-whim-of-a-moron.

    Still, I'm not yet discounting the possibility of some evil and unseen strategy behind it all.

    Ive said before Trump as a poker player is so bad he confuses you and you end up making bad moves yourself. And heres the moron boasting about the market.

    https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1910055729106481481
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,896
    edited April 9
    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Even Royal Mail has had to modernise and become more efficient since privatisation, its new owner also has the money to put into it
    We have to decide whether we want something highly regulated that must get letters and parcels to everyone for the same price (in which case it’s a public service and nationalise it), or to create a meaningful player in the parcel market, in which case we’ve missed the boat .

    Ergo, nationalise both it and the post office, reunify them and rationalise its estate with respect to other government sites in the community like job centres and town halls; whilst using it to guarantee banking services without over-regulating banks.
    The former requires taxpayer funding to ensure the universal service if it were renationalised though Royal Mail still has the biggest market share in terms of parcel delivery in the UK even now and even Amazon often uses it for the final mile.

    The Post Office of curse remains nationalised

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,664
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Just picked up a bottle of cheapo Aussie Shiraz from the dodgier of two corner shops near me. Only noticed when I got it home it's from 2017. God knows which sofa they found it down the back of.

    Actually tastes pretty good.

    I’m guessing it hadn’t been laid down and aged ?
    Well, not deliberately. Mind you, I like those cheap old Riojas supermarkets sometimes have, so I'm predisposed to like cheap old red.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,118
    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    So the tariffs on Canada and Mexico are 10%, or 0%, depending who you ask

    The shitshow continues

    EDIT: or 25%...

    Pretty sure its still 25%. But that was nearly 15 minutes ago so who knows?
    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/1910065004394455167
    This is just embarrassing. You wouldn't run a car boot sale like this, let alone what is still the largest economy in the world.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,005
    The GOP has a lot to answer for inflicting moronomics on the world
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,005
    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The slow death of the Royal Mail is a parable of the modern British state
    The British economy was most successful when it was run in the national interest.

    By Jason Cowley"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/04/the-slow-death-of-the-royal-mail-is-a-parable-of-the-modern-british-state

    Even Royal Mail has had to modernise and become more efficient since privatisation, its new owner also has the money to put into it
    We have to decide whether we want something highly regulated that must get letters and parcels to everyone for the same price (in which case it’s a public service and nationalise it), or to create a meaningful player in the parcel market, in which case we’ve missed the boat .

    Ergo, nationalise both it and the post office, reunify them and rationalise its estate with respect to other government sites in the community like job centres and town halls; whilst using it to guarantee banking services without over-regulating banks.
    The former requires taxpayer funding to ensure the universal service if it were renationalised though Royal Mail still has the biggest market share in terms of parcel delivery in the UK even now and even Amazon often uses it for the final mile.

    The Post Office of curse remains nationalised

    I hope that's not a typo

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,133
    edited April 9
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote from JG Ballard (talking to Will Self in 1994).

    "'I don't have a drink until eight in the evening now, after all you have to have something to look forward to."

    https://www.jgballard.ca/media/1994_sept8_evening_standard.html

    I used to think like that!

    I read most of a JG Ballard book last year, "High Rise". Regretfully it was so bad I stopped just over half way through, couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them
    SPOILER

    The rapist shoots the architect and then gets stabbed to death. It’s a socialist allegory of the failure of Thatcherism.

    With Farage calling for nationalisation yesterday, it felt a bit like something being stabbed? Like a kind of

    “I have heard about Thatcherism, but it’s not a theory I have ever ascribed to.”

    Is Farage doing a reverse JD Vance? I read his book last year and did finish it
    Is a reverse JD Vance starting as a politician, becoming a financial speculator and winding up as a hillbilly in a broken home?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,654
    carnforth said:

    Just picked up a bottle of cheapo Aussie Shiraz from the dodgier of two corner shops near me. Only noticed when I got it home it's from 2017. God knows which sofa they found it down the back of.

    Actually tastes pretty good.

    Pleased to hear that your boycott of American booze is on track!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,434

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    2h
    The 90-day pause solves part of the problem for the commodity market. But the trade war isn't over -- not even nearly. The 10% "floor reciprocal" tariffs remain in place. And, crucially, all the ~100% tariffs China-US stay, which means Sino-American trade will stay paralyzed.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    BREAKING: Senator Adam Schiff says he will be investigating if there was insider trading with the Trump announcement on pausing tariffs.

    Not much of a secret when the president tweets to the entire world to "BUY" 3 hours before the announcement.

    "I'm writing to the White House to demand who knew in advance that the president was gonna once again flip flop on tariffs? And are people cashing in?"

    "There is just all too much opportunity for people in the White House and the administration to be insider trading."


    https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1910066821979623516
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,972
    DavidL said:

    Remember when we had all that fuss and excitement about some politicians and the odd cop putting a few quid on the date of the election? What we have just seen is a $1trillion dollar play with inside information available to the Tech bros that surround the Orange one. It almost makes us seem quaint, old fashioned, even child like.

    No doubt the SEC is already on the case and charges will follow rapidly.

    The corrupt, contemptuous, lying and lawless nature of this fascistic USA regime is much more significant than its incompetence on tariffs.
    Tariffs has drowned out everything else for days. Covering up a range of authoritarian moves, and covering up too the abject fails on the proud promises on Ukraine/Russia etc.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,050
    4D chess. He doesn't realise there are other players...

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump is surprised when a reporter tells him that the EU today announced tariff increases on the US

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmftovuuv22w
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Remember when we had all that fuss and excitement about some politicians and the odd cop putting a few quid on the date of the election? What we have just seen is a $1trillion dollar play with inside information available to the Tech bros that surround the Orange one. It almost makes us seem quaint, old fashioned, even child like.

    No doubt the SEC is already on the case and charges will follow rapidly.

    The corrupt, contemptuous, lying and lawless nature of this fascistic USA regime is much more significant than its incompetence on tariffs.
    Tariffs has drowned out everything else for days. Covering up a range of authoritarian moves, and covering up too the abject fails on the proud promises on Ukraine/Russia etc.
    No the ukraine russia war is over. Trump assured us it would be sorted in 24 hours.
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