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isam said:

Not Vibrant not diverse segregated East London

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/coffee-shop-boss-faces-death-threat-over-je-suis-charlie-sign-outside-brick-lane-shop-9976546.html

The very same.

Let's hope the perpetrator is caught and prosecuted.

Incidentally, see how the "offence" is now not just drawing Mohammed but expressing sympathy for people killed for doing so. What next? Maybe just mentioning the fact that they were killed? Or that they were killed by Muslims? Will those too lead to threats of violence?

Great that the new edition of Charlie Hebdo has been bought by so many millions

The best way of showing solidarity for me was for that to happen, rather than everyone pretending to share the magazines views by republishing the cover

The free market speaks!

Well this C4 documentary is a bit s##t so far. 10 racist former football hooligans looking for a punch up.

But by a smaller majority, 57% of voters still think Mr Cameron should take part in the debates even without the environment-loving party.

BBC news

East London Muslims saying selling the latest edition of Charlie Hebdo in London will cause problems

The Jews interviewed worried about a jihadist attack

Ukips fault I suppose

Carnyx said:

Scott_P said:

Alistair said:

New drinking game. Every time Jim Murphy says "as the son of a working class Catholic family" take a drink.

Haha, only joking, you'd be dead from alcohol poisoning if you did that.

How about every time John Swinney says "balancing the budget"?

@markmacmillan12: Under @theSNP teacher numbers are down & local courts are being closed, all at same time as they underspend by £444m. http://t.co/LwPtw3luAl

I wouldn't use a Labour councillor as a source. I'd want to see an independent source for that!

Labour harping on about underspend is a touch rich given they ran up a billion pounds plus underspend when they were in charge

HYUFD said:

Isam A lot of Muslims interviewed on BBC news though offended by the Charlie Hebdo cover, if also condemning the attacks

Did they?

I just watched it and the three Asian Muslims all slagged Charlie he do, one of them said it didn't warrant the attack though... The French guy was the bloke threatened by a fellow Muslim for saying Je suis charlie

dr_spyn said:

Millwall not doing well at Bradford, 3-0 down.

Just got back home from match ,any Chelsea fans on here ;-)

Labour Lead of 2

https://twitter.com/Sun_Politics/status/555492030668091392/photo/1

Tonights YG Ed is crap is PM

ARF!

If they don't like our laws they can go elsewhere.

isam said:

BBC news

East London Muslims saying selling the latest edition of Charlie Hebdo in London will cause problems

Tonights YG LAB 332 CON 273 LD 17 (UKPR)

EICIPM

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG LAB 332 CON 273 LD 17 (UKPR)

EICIPM

SWINGBACKTASTIC!

compouter2 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG LAB 332 CON 273 LD 17 (UKPR)

EICIPM

SWINGBACKTASTIC!

Yipppeee 2% lead

philiph said:

compouter2 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG LAB 332 CON 273 LD 17 (UKPR)

EICIPM

SWINGBACKTASTIC!

Yipppeee 2% lead

Yipppeeee we are only 2% behind Crap Ed.

compouter2 said:

philiph said:

compouter2 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG LAB 332 CON 273 LD 17 (UKPR)

EICIPM

SWINGBACKTASTIC!

Yipppeee 2% lead

Yipppeeee we are only 2% behind Crap Ed.

At least you recognise his is crap.

Stereotomy said:

Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?

Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.

Speedy said:

Stereotomy said:

Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?

Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.

I think it is Lady Esther now.

James Kelly blogpost — "Is Charles Kennedy heading for defeat at the hands of the SNP?"

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/is-charles-kennedy-heading-for-defeat.html

FrancisUrquhart said:

Speedy said:

Stereotomy said:

Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?

Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.

I had totally forgotten that she even ran.

A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.

French journalist vs BBC reporter on printing 'offending' cartoons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdR81PyWfEY

All the "Je Suis Charlie" from the BBC and Sky didn't last long...

FrancisUrquhart said:

Speedy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Speedy said:

Stereotomy said:

Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?

Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.

I had totally forgotten that she even ran.

A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.

I remember the story behind it now, I just forgot that it had happened.

I think that is what will happen with Al Murray.

Alistair said:

New drinking game. Every time Jim Murphy says "as the son of a working class Catholic family" take a drink.

Haha, only joking, you'd be dead from alcohol poisoning if you did that.

I want to live in Eckland - free drink with every "I Resign" or when he pulls the controls of "Muppet on a String" Sturgeon.

HYUFD said:

they consider Christ a prophet too

They have a funny way of showing it given how persecuted Christians are in Muslim countries.

Bobajob_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Lead of 2

htps://twitter.com/Sun_Politics/status/555492030668091392/photo/1

Ed has the best avatar on the all-new Sun You Gov tweet. Bonus for him

He looks very electable.

HYUFD said:

Isam Indeed, I have to say I agree, would people rush out to buy magazines mocking up Jesus Christ even if the magazine had been victim of a terrorist attack? The attacks were appalling, but there is no point aggravating Islam for the sake of it

That they get so aggravated, to the point that far too many will respond inappropriately to merely an image, is a problem. No-one should get so aggravated from such a thing to such an extent, why should they be coddled because they are so aggravated? No Islam is not the only faith or creed to take such affront at comment or mockery of something so dear to its adherents, but ultimately the argument that even though publishers may choose to be sensitive to cultural concerns, those of that culture should not expect that other cultures will adhere to their rules, convinces me.

It is not aggravation 'for the sake of it'. That too many cannot accept such 'provocation' in an appropriate way would in fact lend itself to an argument that it is important to keep on doing it to make an important point. The reaction it gets turns what could have been a needless insult, which in time would lead to it not being done as much by choice (and not out of fear, but taste), into what can be presented, bizarrely, as a brave act. It shouldn't require that, even for something designed to be aggravating to no larger point.

MikeL said:

Speedy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Speedy said:

Stereotomy said:

Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?

Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.

I had totally forgotten that she even ran.

A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.

She actually got fewer votes than the Lab majority.

Even if everyone who voted for her had voted Con, Lab would still have won.

And of course nothing like everyone who voted for her would have voted Con.

Labour fell by 8% (to a majority of 2329) which was an average fall but no main opposition party rose, if the Tories had increased their share by what was normal in the S.E they would have got it, however Rantzen's candidacy cost not just votes (1872 votes) but attention too, the publicity created was also a magnet for a lot other independent candidates and another media person to jump into the ring in Luton South.

The impact was that it split the opposition and diverted attention from candidates who could actually win.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Lead of 2

https://twitter.com/Sun_Politics/status/555492030668091392/photo/1

how come Nick Clegg's smiling in that graphic?

Northampton General Hospital confirms it is treating a woman who is suspected of having Ebola.

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Charles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Lead of 2

https://twitter.com/Sun_Politics/status/555492030668091392/photo/1

how come Nick Clegg's smiling in that graphic?

The Sun isn't actually famous for the interactivity or attention to detail of their graphics (long answer).
The cost of drawing different faces per poll position (short answer).

Goodnight.

O/T Story for @TSE and the next Nighthawks.

Major implications for the dairy industry:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-breeder-apart-the-bull-who-sired-500-000-offpsring-is-gone-1421196530

The WSJ delicately describes the process of doing what needs to be done as involving "a teaser animal, a specially designed tube and a well-timed maneuver by an adroit handler"

Cyclefree Key difference is they see him as a minor prophet within Islam, not the Prophet

kle4 Maybe, but if another militant nutter launches another attack on a stockist of the magazine do not be surprised

HYUFD said:

kle4 Maybe, but if another militant nutter launches another attack on a stockist of the magazine do not be surprised

Regrettably that may be so. I also know were I in such a position I would never dare publish or stock such a thing, again regrettably.

Socrates said:

Blimey:

Top publisher bans mentions of pork or pigs in schoolbooks 'so as not to offend Muslims or Jews'

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/top-publisher-bans-mentions-of-pigs-or-pork-so-as-not-to-offend-muslims-or-jews-9976568.html

When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.

Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".

The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?

Speedy said:

"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."

Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?

presumably not in S.Korea or the USA

FrancisUrquhart said:

Speedy said:

Stereotomy said:

Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?

Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.

I had totally forgotten that she even ran.

Well I don't think anyone expects him to get a substantial amount of votes, but (apparently) this constituency may be tight enough that even a couple hundred makes the difference.

I'm more confused about why this is being reported as Murray running "against UKIP" or "to stop Farage".

Whats causing the Green surge btw ?

Socrates said:

Speedy said:

hucks67 said:

Apparently Osborne thinks that the UK can become the richest country in the world by 2030, overaking the US and China.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-can-be-richest-country-in-the-world-by-2030s-pledges-george-osborne-9978670.html

Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this:
"I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.

"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.

"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."

Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?

Shouldn't be, seeing that you can get a government loan to cover it, that you only need to pay back if you get a good job.

Do you really think people in these times are willing to get a huge loan just to study a course for something they may never be hired to do the job anyway?

And don't tell me about America, they use the student loans to buy consumer goods, thus creating a nice loan bubble with a nice high rate of delinquencies.
Caping tuition fees is cheaper for the government than having to underwrite the losses on those loans.

Well done to Iain Dale for admonishing Sky News on their paper review for apologising for "accidentally" showing the cartoon earlier.

Socrates said:

Speedy said:

Socrates said:

Speedy said:

hucks67 said:

Apparently Osborne thinks that the UK can become the richest country in the world by 2030, overaking the US and China.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-can-be-richest-country-in-the-world-by-2030s-pledges-george-osborne-9978670.html

Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this:
"I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.

"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.

"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."

Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?

Shouldn't be, seeing that you can get a government loan to cover it, that you only need to pay back if you get a good job.

Do you really think people in these times are willing to get a huge loan just to study a course for something they may never be hired to do the job anyway?

And don't tell me about America, they use the student loans to buy consumer goods, thus creating a nice loan bubble with a nice high rate of delinquencies.
Caping tuition fees is cheaper for the government than having to underwrite the losses on those loans.

Given they don't have to pay it back unless it pays off, sure.

Capping tuition fees is cheaper, but means British universities would get left behind by Australian and American ones.

How are they gonna be left behind with more students and more funding?

FrancisUrquhart said:

Socrates said:

Blimey:

Top publisher bans mentions of pork or pigs in schoolbooks 'so as not to offend Muslims or Jews'

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/top-publisher-bans-mentions-of-pigs-or-pork-so-as-not-to-offend-muslims-or-jews-9976568.html

When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.

Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".

The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?

This is precisely the sort of dumbass shit that CAUSES islamophopia/anti-semitism.

Charles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Lead of 2

twitter.com/Sun_Politics/status/555492030668091392/photo/1

how come Nick Clegg's smiling in that graphic?

He's under Natalie Bennett? No, that can't be right......

HYUFD said:

kle4 Indeed, sometimes we have to compromise our ideals with the realities of the real world

Sometimes we have to, or choose to, yes. But those who are bold enough not to compromise our ideals in order to defend them or challenge the realities of the world which need someone to challenge them really should feel like they have support in spirit even if most are not so bold, not admonishment, however gentile, that some have received, which suggests intentionally or not that the worthy stand is not worthy at all.

Good night all.

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Socrates said:

Blimey:

Top publisher bans mentions of pork or pigs in schoolbooks 'so as not to offend Muslims or Jews'

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/top-publisher-bans-mentions-of-pigs-or-pork-so-as-not-to-offend-muslims-or-jews-9976568.html

When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.

Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".

The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?

This is precisely the sort of dumbass shit that CAUSES islamophopia/anti-semitism.

But it's ok to offend Hindus by having books with cows?

Bonkers......

Socrates said:

AndyJS said:

Well done to Iain Dale for admonishing Sky News on their paper review for apologising for "accidentally" showing the cartoon earlier.

Who would have thought this would happen in the 21st century UK? What will be doing to appease Muslims should they get to 10% or 20% of the population?

Start burning books and female segregation I guess.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10510284/Gender-apartheid-segregation-is-real-in-UK-universities.-So-why-arent-more-people-fighting-it.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/26/british-universities-gender-segregation-secular

http://www.channel4.com/news/universities-uk-uuk-gender-segregation-demo-protest

Where are the lefty feminists now?
Goodnight.

Flightpath said:

'We must close the university gap' - even if it means weaponising education...

I really wish people would stop using this horrible word "weaponising"

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Socrates said:

Blimey:

Top publisher bans mentions of pork or pigs in schoolbooks 'so as not to offend Muslims or Jews'

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/top-publisher-bans-mentions-of-pigs-or-pork-so-as-not-to-offend-muslims-or-jews-9976568.html

When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.

Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".

The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?

This is precisely the sort of dumbass shit that CAUSES islamophopia/anti-semitism.

It's not dumb from a business perspective.

The fact that OUP sells to 150+ countries is great news for UK PLC. If they want to cut costs by producing single versions of textbooks which can be sold in multiple markets, then this is the sort of thing that is going to happen. If UK teachers want to pay more for a specific UK version, including all manner of pork products then so be it. Of course then they'll get lambasted by the daily mail for wasting money....

The story here is about the globalization of education, censored pork products are very much a footnote in that story.