Let's hope the perpetrator is caught and prosecuted.
Incidentally, see how the "offence" is now not just drawing Mohammed but expressing sympathy for people killed for doing so. What next? Maybe just mentioning the fact that they were killed? Or that they were killed by Muslims? Will those too lead to threats of violence?
Great that the new edition of Charlie Hebdo has been bought by so many millions
The best way of showing solidarity for me was for that to happen, rather than everyone pretending to share the magazines views by republishing the cover
One of the many advantages of simply abolishing the House of Lords is that we would no longer have to pretend that the Church forms any part of our democracy. Their contributions make Russell Brand look coherent.
Isam A lot of Muslims interviewed on BBC news though offended by the Charlie Hebdo cover, if also condemning the attacks
Did they?
I just watched it and the three Asian Muslims all slagged Charlie he do, one of them said it didn't warrant the attack though... The French guy was the bloke threatened by a fellow Muslim for saying Je suis charlie
Isam Indeed, I have to say I agree, would people rush out to buy magazines mocking up Jesus Christ even if the magazine had been victim of a terrorist attack? The attacks were appalling, but there is no point aggravating Islam for the sake of it
Isam Indeed, I have to say I agree, would people rush out to buy magazines mocking up Jesus Christ even if the magazine had been victim of a terrorist attack? The attacks were appalling, but there is no point aggravating Islam for the sake of it
If the murders were carried out in the name of Christianity, then I believe they would.
With the Greens and UKIP now ahead of the LDs again I suggest we have 1 debate with Miliband and Cameron and one with the minor parties and if we are generous the LDs!
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
philip Difficult to say, I doubt Muslims would buy a magazine mocking Christ if Christian terrorists carried out an atrocity on that magazine in a Muslim country, they consider Christ a prophet too
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
I had totally forgotten that she even ran.
A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
I had totally forgotten that she even ran.
A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.
I remember the story behind it now, I just forgot that it had happened.
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
I had totally forgotten that she even ran.
A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.
I remember the story behind it now, I just forgot that it had happened.
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
I had totally forgotten that she even ran.
A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.
She actually got fewer votes than the Lab majority.
Even if everyone who voted for her had voted Con, Lab would still have won.
And of course nothing like everyone who voted for her would have voted Con.
Isam Indeed, I have to say I agree, would people rush out to buy magazines mocking up Jesus Christ even if the magazine had been victim of a terrorist attack? The attacks were appalling, but there is no point aggravating Islam for the sake of it
That they get so aggravated, to the point that far too many will respond inappropriately to merely an image, is a problem. No-one should get so aggravated from such a thing to such an extent, why should they be coddled because they are so aggravated? No Islam is not the only faith or creed to take such affront at comment or mockery of something so dear to its adherents, but ultimately the argument that even though publishers may choose to be sensitive to cultural concerns, those of that culture should not expect that other cultures will adhere to their rules, convinces me.
It is not aggravation 'for the sake of it'. That too many cannot accept such 'provocation' in an appropriate way would in fact lend itself to an argument that it is important to keep on doing it to make an important point. The reaction it gets turns what could have been a needless insult, which in time would lead to it not being done as much by choice (and not out of fear, but taste), into what can be presented, bizarrely, as a brave act. It shouldn't require that, even for something designed to be aggravating to no larger point.
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
I had totally forgotten that she even ran.
A very high profile campaign in the media against a Labour MP who had an expenses problem, the result of course was a lost deposit, but she did manage to keep the Labour MP in his place by splitting the Tory vote.
She actually got fewer votes than the Lab majority.
Even if everyone who voted for her had voted Con, Lab would still have won.
And of course nothing like everyone who voted for her would have voted Con.
Labour fell by 8% (to a majority of 2329) which was an average fall but no main opposition party rose, if the Tories had increased their share by what was normal in the S.E they would have got it, however Rantzen's candidacy cost not just votes (1872 votes) but attention too, the publicity created was also a magnet for a lot other independent candidates and another media person to jump into the ring in Luton South.
The impact was that it split the opposition and diverted attention from candidates who could actually win.
Isam A lot of Muslims interviewed on BBC news though offended by the Charlie Hebdo cover, if also condemning the attacks
Did they?
I just watched it and the three Asian Muslims all slagged Charlie he do, one of them said it didn't warrant the attack though... The French guy was the bloke threatened by a fellow Muslim for saying Je suis charlie
Where can I get a Je Suis Charlie badge? I might wear it on the tube.
I'm quite sure that Kennedy is the only LD in the whole country who can keep his head high, so the answer is no.
Well the Orkneys & Shetlands are culturally different than the rest of scotland. Ironically for the SNP they actually want independence from scotland because they think that Holyrood isn't representing their interests and want to keep the oil for themselves.
He knows the strain of being LD leader is coming to a close soon, as whether he is re-elected or not, finally those who want him ousted will feel it is worth making their move - any sooner, and they'd risk making themselves as personally toxic as him, and be unable to untoxify, they hope, the party as a whole - and he can relax again.
The Sun isn't actually famous for the interactivity or attention to detail of their graphics (long answer). The cost of drawing different faces per poll position (short answer).
The WSJ delicately describes the process of doing what needs to be done as involving "a teaser animal, a specially designed tube and a well-timed maneuver by an adroit handler"
Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this: "I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.
Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".
The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?
Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this: "I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
Shouldn't be, seeing that you can get a government loan to cover it, that you only need to pay back if you get a good job.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
Uh, is Murray really likely to take more votes from UKIP than the other parties?
Since I had to look at google to find out who the heck he was, I think he'll have the same impact as Esther Rantzen's campaign against Labour in 2010 in Luton South.
I had totally forgotten that she even ran.
Well I don't think anyone expects him to get a substantial amount of votes, but (apparently) this constituency may be tight enough that even a couple hundred makes the difference.
I'm more confused about why this is being reported as Murray running "against UKIP" or "to stop Farage".
Now that is too insulting for me to keep away, the Oxford University Press ban on the mention of pigs and pork is stupid.
By their crazy logic, I presume they don't allow cows or burgers in books either, as the Hindu's will be offended...I think we know the answer to this, I bet they are.
Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this: "I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
Shouldn't be, seeing that you can get a government loan to cover it, that you only need to pay back if you get a good job.
Do you really think people in these times are willing to get a huge loan just to study a course for something they may never be hired to do the job anyway?
And don't tell me about America, they use the student loans to buy consumer goods, thus creating a nice loan bubble with a nice high rate of delinquencies. Caping tuition fees is cheaper for the government than having to underwrite the losses on those loans.
Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this: "I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
Shouldn't be, seeing that you can get a government loan to cover it, that you only need to pay back if you get a good job.
Do you really think people in these times are willing to get a huge loan just to study a course for something they may never be hired to do the job anyway?
And don't tell me about America, they use the student loans to buy consumer goods, thus creating a nice loan bubble with a nice high rate of delinquencies. Caping tuition fees is cheaper for the government than having to underwrite the losses on those loans.
Given they don't have to pay it back unless it pays off, sure.
Capping tuition fees is cheaper, but means British universities would get left behind by Australian and American ones.
Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this: "I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
Shouldn't be, seeing that you can get a government loan to cover it, that you only need to pay back if you get a good job.
Do you really think people in these times are willing to get a huge loan just to study a course for something they may never be hired to do the job anyway?
And don't tell me about America, they use the student loans to buy consumer goods, thus creating a nice loan bubble with a nice high rate of delinquencies. Caping tuition fees is cheaper for the government than having to underwrite the losses on those loans.
Given they don't have to pay it back unless it pays off, sure.
Capping tuition fees is cheaper, but means British universities would get left behind by Australian and American ones.
How are they gonna be left behind with more students and more funding?
When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.
Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".
The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?
This is precisely the sort of dumbass shit that CAUSES islamophopia/anti-semitism.
kle4 Indeed, sometimes we have to compromise our ideals with the realities of the real world
Sometimes we have to, or choose to, yes. But those who are bold enough not to compromise our ideals in order to defend them or challenge the realities of the world which need someone to challenge them really should feel like they have support in spirit even if most are not so bold, not admonishment, however gentile, that some have received, which suggests intentionally or not that the worthy stand is not worthy at all.
When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.
Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".
The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?
This is precisely the sort of dumbass shit that CAUSES islamophopia/anti-semitism.
But it's ok to offend Hindus by having books with cows?
Well done to Iain Dale for admonishing Sky News on their paper review for apologising for "accidentally" showing the cartoon earlier.
Who would have thought this would happen in the 21st century UK? What will be doing to appease Muslims should they get to 10% or 20% of the population?
Plenty ammunition for Labour in that article, I'll start by pointing at this: "I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
No. Why? The coalitions policy means poorer students pay less. If you do not earn enough you pay nothing back. You will find that Osborne is talking about skills and productivity. Not media studies. 'We must close the university gap' - even if it means weaponising education...
Well done to Iain Dale for admonishing Sky News on their paper review for apologising for "accidentally" showing the cartoon earlier.
Who would have thought this would happen in the 21st century UK? What will be doing to appease Muslims should they get to 10% or 20% of the population?
Start burning books and female segregation I guess.
When I first saw this (was Daily Mail story), I thought yeah yeah Daily Mail...but when you read this was revealed because BBC host's wife wrote a kids book and was told this in a letter in regards to their policies for content of such books.
Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".
The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?
This is precisely the sort of dumbass shit that CAUSES islamophopia/anti-semitism.
It's not dumb from a business perspective.
The fact that OUP sells to 150+ countries is great news for UK PLC. If they want to cut costs by producing single versions of textbooks which can be sold in multiple markets, then this is the sort of thing that is going to happen. If UK teachers want to pay more for a specific UK version, including all manner of pork products then so be it. Of course then they'll get lambasted by the daily mail for wasting money....
The story here is about the globalization of education, censored pork products are very much a footnote in that story.
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Let's hope the perpetrator is caught and prosecuted.
Incidentally, see how the "offence" is now not just drawing Mohammed but expressing sympathy for people killed for doing so. What next? Maybe just mentioning the fact that they were killed? Or that they were killed by Muslims? Will those too lead to threats of violence?
The best way of showing solidarity for me was for that to happen, rather than everyone pretending to share the magazines views by republishing the cover
The free market speaks!
SEVEN out of 10 now say it's unfair not to include the Greens in the leaders' TV election debates - bolstering David Cameron's stand.
An exclusive YouGov poll for The Sun revealed support is climbing for broadcasters to invite Natalie Bennett on too.
East London Muslims saying selling the latest edition of Charlie Hebdo in London will cause problems
The Jews interviewed worried about a jihadist attack
Ukips fault I suppose
Other numbers TBA!
I just watched it and the three Asian Muslims all slagged Charlie he do, one of them said it didn't warrant the attack though... The French guy was the bloke threatened by a fellow Muslim for saying Je suis charlie
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30824375
[Koresh*Manson]^2
https://twitter.com/Sun_Politics/status/555492030668091392/photo/1
CON 32 (=)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 6 (-1)
UKIP 15 (+1)
GRN 7 (=)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7WBDwgIgAAT-dF.jpg
EICIPM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30824641
Calling it.
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/is-charles-kennedy-heading-for-defeat.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdR81PyWfEY
All the "Je Suis Charlie" from the BBC and Sky didn't last long...
Even if everyone who voted for her had voted Con, Lab would still have won.
And of course nothing like everyone who voted for her would have voted Con.
It is not aggravation 'for the sake of it'. That too many cannot accept such 'provocation' in an appropriate way would in fact lend itself to an argument that it is important to keep on doing it to make an important point. The reaction it gets turns what could have been a needless insult, which in time would lead to it not being done as much by choice (and not out of fear, but taste), into what can be presented, bizarrely, as a brave act. It shouldn't require that, even for something designed to be aggravating to no larger point.
The impact was that it split the opposition and diverted attention from candidates who could actually win.
Ironically for the SNP they actually want independence from scotland because they think that Holyrood isn't representing their interests and want to keep the oil for themselves.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30825231
The cost of drawing different faces per poll position (short answer).
Goodnight.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-can-be-richest-country-in-the-world-by-2030s-pledges-george-osborne-9978670.html
Major implications for the dairy industry:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-breeder-apart-the-bull-who-sired-500-000-offpsring-is-gone-1421196530
The WSJ delicately describes the process of doing what needs to be done as involving "a teaser animal, a specially designed tube and a well-timed maneuver by an adroit handler"
kle4 Maybe, but if another militant nutter launches another attack on a stockist of the magazine do not be surprised
"I have now abolished the artificial cap imposed by the Treasury on the number of students but I believe that the number going to university in Britain is still too low.
"I have no time at all for those who say we've reached the limit, or that many of our young people are simply not cut out for university.
"If you look around the world at the economies leading the pack on skills and productivity, like South Korea and the USA, they are sending far more of their young people to university."
Isn't the cost of tuition fees a major impediment for more student numbers?
Top publisher bans mentions of pork or pigs in schoolbooks 'so as not to offend Muslims or Jews'
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/top-publisher-bans-mentions-of-pigs-or-pork-so-as-not-to-offend-muslims-or-jews-9976568.html
Utter and total nonsense, unlike the cartoon issue, it is typical "we are offended on behalf of various groups, despite having not consulted if they would be offended or received any complaints".
The idiots at the publishers might just take a moment and think has the BBC been under constant threat by radical Jews and Muslims over showing Peppa Pig? No, I wonder why that might be?
I'm more confused about why this is being reported as Murray running "against UKIP" or "to stop Farage".
And don't tell me about America, they use the student loans to buy consumer goods, thus creating a nice loan bubble with a nice high rate of delinquencies.
Caping tuition fees is cheaper for the government than having to underwrite the losses on those loans.
Capping tuition fees is cheaper, but means British universities would get left behind by Australian and American ones.
Silly price IMO. Should be 1/5 or shorter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_pigs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigs_in_popular_culture
Including Homer's Odyssey!
Good night all.
Bonkers......
The coalitions policy means poorer students pay less. If you do not earn enough you pay nothing back.
You will find that Osborne is talking about skills and productivity. Not media studies.
'We must close the university gap' - even if it means weaponising education...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10510284/Gender-apartheid-segregation-is-real-in-UK-universities.-So-why-arent-more-people-fighting-it.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/26/british-universities-gender-segregation-secular
http://www.channel4.com/news/universities-uk-uuk-gender-segregation-demo-protest
Where are the lefty feminists now?
Goodnight.
The government should require universities to ban gender apartheid or they won't get public funds.
The fact that OUP sells to 150+ countries is great news for UK PLC. If they want to cut costs by producing single versions of textbooks which can be sold in multiple markets, then this is the sort of thing that is going to happen. If UK teachers want to pay more for a specific UK version, including all manner of pork products then so be it. Of course then they'll get lambasted by the daily mail for wasting money....
The story here is about the globalization of education, censored pork products are very much a footnote in that story.