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  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,730

    Bridget Phillipson is to begin in-depth scrutiny of smartphone bans in schools in England as pressure grows from MPs to act on the effect of social media on teenagers. Phillipson is understood to have become frustrated that there is no monitoring of whether the guidance is being followed or proving useful to schools.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/mar/20/uk-government-to-look-again-at-a-smartphone-ban-in-schools

    Monitoring schools to prove they follow guidance over smart phone bans....if we don't trust schools to do this (or enact sensible version of it), do we trust them to follow anything?

    Surely there is a better use of time and resources than setting up monitoring of school mobile phone bans? If schools are getting good results, do we care?

    Nothing in school, not even the National Curriculum, damages children more than widespread use of mobile phones.
    How about bad teachers?
    Or bad parents?
    socialism?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    edited March 20
    Cannot say the Sturgeon news is very surprising after such a long investigation and assessment, the chances of at the least not having a reaslistic prospect of conviction had to be high. With complex financial cases what bet no one ends up convicted?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,901
    edited March 20
    Eabhal said:

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of Yoons & Albanians cried out in rage and were suddenly silenced.
    As "Yoon" is meant to be a pejorative term when used in your lexicon, is it not really just a kind of divisive racist/hate proxy word?

    As for Ms Sturgeon, is it not most odd that a spouse might not ask "where did we get the money to buy that £110k camper van darling?" I guess in some households this sudden appearance of expensive vehicles without question is commonplace?
    Scotland June - August you can barely see the mountains for motorhomes. It's like living inside a white goods shop.

    (It's just slang for unionist. There is a group of ultra-online yoons in the same way there are cybernats. They can be just as vicious, if not in such massive numbers).
    Surely "Yoon" is the English Whale Song? See Al Murray on Toons:smile: .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDcplwT-8Q

    (How many of these motorhome-dwellers are a) Not Scottish and b) SNP Officials? )
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    I presumed he packed in politics when he retired from the House of Lords a couple of years ago.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    Eabhal said:

    Perhaps a hostage to fortune but I very much doubt there'll be anything like the Canadian Trump effect as Trump isn't going to be as antagonistic to the UK and there won't be the same rally to the flag effect as Canada is having.

    Any effect will be marginal.

    At present, we don't really know whether Canada has the Canadian Trump effect. Polling suggests it will but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
    Errr, the Liberals have enjoyed a 20pt+ swing. It's a little more than "suggests".

    You should be piling on the Conservatives if you think the actual swing is much less than that.
    I have been wondering if the Canadian Tories would find their footing a bit and things might revert a bit, but so far their efforts I've seen online come across with a bit of desperation, as supporters understandably cannot quite believe how quickly things seemed to have switched around. It may not be fair reward to the incumbent government, but they'll take it!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    edited March 20
    How Do We Decide Who Is Too Sick To Work?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDE_ywH2XeQ

    Well that's a new one on me....I demand a sick day because I need to get a tattoo done, cos mental health.

    At Urquhart Industries you certainly ain't getting it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,706

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    I presumed he packed in politics when he retired from the House of Lords a couple of years ago.
    Well he's got nowhere to go now and MoL isn't exactly politics anyway. I think people would definitely vote for him as the hero of 2012 and because he won't be using London as a launching pad for some other political ambition. Plus he really does seem like a decent bloke. Would be a huge, huge upgrade on Khan who needs to be voted out next time. I also hope we introduce term limits for directly voted executive positions like mayors.
  • TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Banning things is the new lockdown! 🥴 I'm amazed that so many people think depriving children of technology that they'll grow up with is remotely sensible..💩
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    algarkirk said:

    Selebian said:

    FPT - let's leave Letby there, maybe, but JJ raises an interesting question at the end, so I'll just quote that:


    Also: if the statistical analysis done proved so accurate, I would expect every trust would run such analysis weekly or monthly, just in case. It would pick up not just murders, but other causes of problems, e.g. contaminated equipment. Do they? And if not, why not?

    Yes, they do/have done (also done externally) to an extent. See Dr Foster reports and SHMI etc. The problem is that it's very hard to measure casemix accurately. You send the most complex patients to the specialist centres and the best teams, you let the newbies loose on the theoretically simpler cases; it's easy - if casemix adjustment is imperfect* - to flag up anomalies that have perfectly reasonable clinical explanations.

    To some extent, this went out of fashion a little with Mid Staffs, where a scientist of my acquaintance had an improved model of mortality risk (compared to Dr Foster, which is and was pants - plus they had an allied consultantion service, I think, to improve SHMIs through 'better' coding of patients' complications) that they used to justify internally that their mortality rates were not excessive. But they were still a steaming pile of shit, nonetheless.

    The correct way to use it is to compare over time for hospitals, I think, and departments therein, where casemix is generally similar or changes only gradually. In the case of anomalies, do a review to see whether there is a cause that can be fixed. However, if you do it at any kind of fine grained level then you'll get a lot of statistical anomalies so it can be hard to see the real problems.

    *spoiler: it is. Also an issue for analyses of 'weekend effects' in hospitals. People who manage to get admitted at the weekend (e.g. outwith normal GP hours) may be sicker to start with
    Thanks for that.

    It leads me to a couple more interesting, but possibly stupid, questions: are the statistical analysis tools used in evidence against Letby the same as the standard ones, and if not, would the standard ones have shown up the problem and connection with her?

    I'm reminded of the Therac 25 case (*), where one operator was on duty for two of the cases, and was initially seen by some as being 'responsible' for the radiation overdoses. She was, indirectly: but the actual causal issue was software bugs. She was just a fast typist...

    (*) A case that should be known by all software engineers. See http://sunnyday.mit.edu/papers/therac.pdf
    Does anyone here actually know whether expert evidence of statistical analysis was adduced in evidence at the trial at all? I have heard the subject discussed but can't remember seeing what this evidence was. Did it exist?

    This is different from 'factual' evidence, eg that baby X died at time A, and LL was on duty at the time.

    Anyone can give factual evidence. Only 'experts' can offer opinions as to what conclusions may be drawn from facts. This happens with eg DNA samples.
    From my casual reading there may have been some statistical stuff, but a lot of people online seem to think that was the only argument presented (as well as thinking certain defences/facts were not raised which were) and so if chunks are made in X the whole thing falls apart, whcih may not be the case.

    I suspect it will be awhile yet before there's any movement, if any, as, shockingly, the legal position is not as clear cut as assumed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Banning things is the new lockdown! 🥴 I'm amazed that so many people think depriving children of technology that they'll grow up with is remotely sensible..💩
    My new policy on closing stable doors will be a winner.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    edited March 20


    At Urquhart Industries you certainly ain't getting it.

    Victorian era boss-tyrant/21st century meglomaniac tech bro, confirmed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,611
    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Children’s friendship groups consist (to an enormous degree) of the other children in their class.

    Depriving them of TikTok for 8 hours will not effect their ability to communicate with individuals in the same room..
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,309
    So has the PB collective explained why there are over 9k on the unemployment claimant count in Tottenham constituency ? Or more that 15k in Birmingham Ladywood ? Or is it still being blamed on 'students' ?

    This inner city welfarism, aside from the damaging socio-economic consequences, is a significant driver of votes to Reform.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,206
    .

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Children’s friendship groups consist (to an enormous degree) of the other children in their class.

    Depriving them of TikTok for 8 hours will not effect their ability to communicate with individuals in the same room..
    Will they still be allowed to post to PoliticalBetting.com?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Children’s friendship groups consist (to an enormous degree) of the other children in their class.

    Depriving them of TikTok for 8 hours will not effect their ability to communicate with individuals in the same room..
    Now it won't. But there is a cohort of children for whom phones were the only means of communication with their peers. If a child was, say eight years old at some point during lockdown then they would be pre-teen now and at risk of having their phones taken off them by hypocritical parents.

    As for eight hours, presumably the hours children are at school, it sounds an eminently sensible policy not to allow them phones during that time. Do (m)any schools have that policy now? They ought to imo.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,206
    malcolmg said:
    But Peter Murrell charged with embezzlement.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,962

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of Yoons & Albanians cried out in rage and were suddenly silenced.
    As "Yoon" is meant to be a pejorative term when used in your lexicon, is it not really just a kind of divisive racist/hate proxy word?

    As for Ms Sturgeon, is it not most odd that a spouse might not ask "where did we get the money to buy that £110k camper van darling?" I guess in some households this sudden appearance of expensive vehicles without question is commonplace?
    racist my arse
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,611
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Children’s friendship groups consist (to an enormous degree) of the other children in their class.

    Depriving them of TikTok for 8 hours will not effect their ability to communicate with individuals in the same room..
    Now it won't. But there is a cohort of children for whom phones were the only means of communication with their peers. If a child was, say eight years old at some point during lockdown then they would be pre-teen now and at risk of having their phones taken off them by hypocritical parents.

    As for eight hours, presumably the hours children are at school, it sounds an eminently sensible policy not to allow them phones during that time. Do (m)any schools have that policy now? They ought to imo.
    The schools both my daughters went to (state primaries, private secondary) managed to do so.

    Quite a few schools do not ban phones during the day.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,962
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    I presumed he packed in politics when he retired from the House of Lords a couple of years ago.
    Well he's got nowhere to go now and MoL isn't exactly politics anyway. I think people would definitely vote for him as the hero of 2012 and because he won't be using London as a launching pad for some other political ambition. Plus he really does seem like a decent bloke. Would be a huge, huge upgrade on Khan who needs to be voted out next time. I also hope we introduce term limits for directly voted executive positions like mayors.
    thought he was making a fortune running athletics or Olympics or such fripperies
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,962

    malcolmg said:
    But Peter Murrell charged with embezzlement.
    lot more than him should be charged in that lot, incompetent bunch of grifters
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,309
    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,845
    edited March 20

    So has the PB collective explained why there are over 9k on the unemployment claimant count in Tottenham constituency ? Or more that 15k in Birmingham Ladywood ? Or is it still being blamed on 'students' ?

    This inner city welfarism, aside from the damaging socio-economic consequences, is a significant driver of votes to Reform.

    It was explained to you repeatedly. Fingers-in-ears attitude.

    If you're looking for welfarism, check out the employment rates in Reform areas v others. That's not to blame people in those areas - they've been let down by catastrophically uneven economic growth over many decades.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    edited March 20
    Badar Khan Suri, an Indian citizen, is a postdoctoral fellow studying and teaching at the prestigious Washington DC institution on a student visa. He has been accused of "spreading Hamas propaganda" and having "close connections to a known or suspected terrorist" by the Department of Homeland Security, but US authorities have not publicly provided evidence of that claim.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1enyqjgjlqo

    Can the media not use google? A dossier with receipts.

    Married to a daughter of senior Hamas official, he worked for a Hamas official, repeatedly pictured with leading Hamas high ranking officials, both him and his wife numerous social posts supporting Hamas. The only real surprise is he got a visa in the first place.

    https://www.camera.org/article/politico-runs-cover-for-hamasniks-at-georgetown/
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,121
    edited March 20
    Just ban phones from state schools.

    They are not necessary for educational purposes, and banning them might remind many parents that they seem to have pernicious effects more broadly on the under 16s.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:
    But Peter Murrell charged with embezzlement.
    lot more than him should be charged in that lot, incompetent bunch of grifters
    I assume there's a lot of people who lauded their own competence (or people did that for them) suddenly declaring they knew nothing about anything and were therefore terrible at their jobs, happens a lot in such instances.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,274
    Suckers.

    Pension fraud victims forced to pay taxes on stolen money

    HMRC accused of treating people who fell for scams like criminals


    HMRC is forcing fraud victims to pay tax on pension savings stolen by scammers.

    Hundreds of people have suffered from the actions of fraudulent financial advisers who lost their funds in high-risk investments or misinformed them that they could make an early withdrawal from their pension without a penalty.

    The first 25 per cent taken out of a pension is tax-free, but only if withdrawn after you reach the age of 55. Before then, HMRC treats it as an unauthorised payment, even in cases of fraud.

    This means the victim will be subject to tax charges of at least 55 per cent on the withdrawn money and potentially as high as 70 per cent. Accumulated annual interest of 8 per cent means some are having to pay back more in tax than they took out.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/20/pension-fraud-victims-being-taxed-on-lost-money/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,901
    malcolmg said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    I presumed he packed in politics when he retired from the House of Lords a couple of years ago.
    Well he's got nowhere to go now and MoL isn't exactly politics anyway. I think people would definitely vote for him as the hero of 2012 and because he won't be using London as a launching pad for some other political ambition. Plus he really does seem like a decent bloke. Would be a huge, huge upgrade on Khan who needs to be voted out next time. I also hope we introduce term limits for directly voted executive positions like mayors.
    thought he was making a fortune running athletics or Olympics or such fripperies
    He's standing for IOC Presidency. MoL does not have a chance.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157

    Suckers.

    Pension fraud victims forced to pay taxes on stolen money

    HMRC accused of treating people who fell for scams like criminals


    HMRC is forcing fraud victims to pay tax on pension savings stolen by scammers.

    Hundreds of people have suffered from the actions of fraudulent financial advisers who lost their funds in high-risk investments or misinformed them that they could make an early withdrawal from their pension without a penalty.

    The first 25 per cent taken out of a pension is tax-free, but only if withdrawn after you reach the age of 55. Before then, HMRC treats it as an unauthorised payment, even in cases of fraud.

    This means the victim will be subject to tax charges of at least 55 per cent on the withdrawn money and potentially as high as 70 per cent. Accumulated annual interest of 8 per cent means some are having to pay back more in tax than they took out.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/20/pension-fraud-victims-being-taxed-on-lost-money/

    Sounds like something lawyers came up with.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,121
    Sturgeon has been “cleared”.
    But her husband who was CEO of the SNP while she was Leader has been charged with embezzlement.

    I think a period of silence from Ms Sturgeon might be sensible.

    Her book “Frankly” is due for release on 14 August.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,274
    kle4 said:

    Suckers.

    Pension fraud victims forced to pay taxes on stolen money

    HMRC accused of treating people who fell for scams like criminals


    HMRC is forcing fraud victims to pay tax on pension savings stolen by scammers.

    Hundreds of people have suffered from the actions of fraudulent financial advisers who lost their funds in high-risk investments or misinformed them that they could make an early withdrawal from their pension without a penalty.

    The first 25 per cent taken out of a pension is tax-free, but only if withdrawn after you reach the age of 55. Before then, HMRC treats it as an unauthorised payment, even in cases of fraud.

    This means the victim will be subject to tax charges of at least 55 per cent on the withdrawn money and potentially as high as 70 per cent. Accumulated annual interest of 8 per cent means some are having to pay back more in tax than they took out.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/20/pension-fraud-victims-being-taxed-on-lost-money/

    Sounds like something lawyers came up with.
    The country hates tax dodgers such as these people and farmers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157

    Sturgeon has been “cleared”.
    But her husband who was CEO of the SNP while she was Leader has been charged with embezzlement.

    I think a period of silence from Ms Sturgeon might be sensible.

    Her book “Frankly” is due for release on 14 August.

    Being frank, she never discussed finances with her husband the party CEO or checked his work, I am sure will be the argument, but she is still a brilliant leader presumably.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157

    kle4 said:

    Suckers.

    Pension fraud victims forced to pay taxes on stolen money

    HMRC accused of treating people who fell for scams like criminals


    HMRC is forcing fraud victims to pay tax on pension savings stolen by scammers.

    Hundreds of people have suffered from the actions of fraudulent financial advisers who lost their funds in high-risk investments or misinformed them that they could make an early withdrawal from their pension without a penalty.

    The first 25 per cent taken out of a pension is tax-free, but only if withdrawn after you reach the age of 55. Before then, HMRC treats it as an unauthorised payment, even in cases of fraud.

    This means the victim will be subject to tax charges of at least 55 per cent on the withdrawn money and potentially as high as 70 per cent. Accumulated annual interest of 8 per cent means some are having to pay back more in tax than they took out.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/20/pension-fraud-victims-being-taxed-on-lost-money/

    Sounds like something lawyers came up with.
    The country hates tax dodgers such as these people and farmers.
    Naturally. The country doesn't hate people who avoid tax of course, it just wants them to be rich enough to take advantage of all the ways of lowering their taxes open to richer people, which I'm sure are all 100% useful and necessary.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,274
    kle4 said:

    Sturgeon has been “cleared”.
    But her husband who was CEO of the SNP while she was Leader has been charged with embezzlement.

    I think a period of silence from Ms Sturgeon might be sensible.

    Her book “Frankly” is due for release on 14 August.

    Being frank, she never discussed finances with her husband the party CEO or checked his work, I am sure will be the argument, but she is still a brilliant leader presumably.
    Given how successful my marriage was I can give you a pro tip, even if you're the one earning money, you should never enquire about your other half's spending habits.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,033
    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    Coe said he felt like he’d been training for the role of IOC president all his life.

    Sloppy seconds it is then.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,309
    Eabhal said:

    So has the PB collective explained why there are over 9k on the unemployment claimant count in Tottenham constituency ? Or more that 15k in Birmingham Ladywood ? Or is it still being blamed on 'students' ?

    This inner city welfarism, aside from the damaging socio-economic consequences, is a significant driver of votes to Reform.

    It was explained to you repeatedly. Fingers-in-ears attitude.
    Your fingers, your ears.

    Pretending that there isn't a problem doesn't make it go away.

    Perhaps if the ethnicities of the inner cities were the same as those of say Grimsby or Birkenhead there might not be so much denial.

    After all isn't it curious that the C4 program on sickness benefits managed to feature only white English people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVQZdjBu20k
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    Coe said he felt like he’d been training for the role of IOC president all his life.

    Sloppy seconds it is then.
    It was referred to as the highest role in sport, which feels a bit much to be honest. He can just go on being head of World Athletics for another 10 years I guess.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,060
    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,445
    Leon said:

    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth

    Back in Hounslow already?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974

    .

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Children’s friendship groups consist (to an enormous degree) of the other children in their class.

    Depriving them of TikTok for 8 hours will not effect their ability to communicate with individuals in the same room..
    Will they still be allowed to post to PoliticalBetting.com?
    Only if it is kindergarten class, not school class... ;)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974

    So has the PB collective explained why there are over 9k on the unemployment claimant count in Tottenham constituency ? Or more that 15k in Birmingham Ladywood ? Or is it still being blamed on 'students' ?

    This inner city welfarism, aside from the damaging socio-economic consequences, is a significant driver of votes to Reform.

    So you have identified an issue. What is your solution to that issue?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    Leon said:

    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth

    Lander, Wyoming?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,901

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    Coe said he felt like he’d been training for the role of IOC president all his life.

    Sloppy seconds it is then.
    I'm obviously not up to date. An hour ago he lost the Election for IOC President !

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cy4v91e3e1wo

    (You do realise that you would have

    Pavement
    Running Track
    Cycle Track
    Carriageway

    ... all over London.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126

    Scott_xP said:

    One of the DOGEbags

    @rmac.bsky.social‬

    We spent a while reporting on Davis's past and what motivates him on cost-cutting.

    One noteworthy anecdote: Davis was so obsessed with cost-cutting that he removed key parts from SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket, directly causing its failure on its second ever test flight.

    https://bsky.app/profile/rmac.bsky.social/post/3lksxorfqb22y

    The second flight of Falcon 1 failed because the staging wasn’t clean - interstage bumped into the nozzle for the second stage. Which caused the second stage to become unstable.

    I presume the claim refers to adding further slosh baffles in the second stage tank.

    How could they be so dumb - it's not rocket science.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,363
    The problem for Starmer is he has already got much closer to Trump than the Canadian Liberals have with Carney pitching himself as best able to take on Trump in a trade war
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,446

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    Coe said he felt like he’d been training for the role of IOC president all his life.

    Sloppy seconds it is then.
    Ovett has got it then?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,901
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can we have Seb Coe for London mayor please.

    Coe said he felt like he’d been training for the role of IOC president all his life.

    Sloppy seconds it is then.
    Ovett has got it then?
    No - Kirsty Coventry. I didn't read it all earlier !
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605
    Leon said:

    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth

    What? You're on the A47 heading to King's Lynn!?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,611
    kle4 said:

    Sturgeon has been “cleared”.
    But her husband who was CEO of the SNP while she was Leader has been charged with embezzlement.

    I think a period of silence from Ms Sturgeon might be sensible.

    Her book “Frankly” is due for release on 14 August.

    Being frank, she never discussed finances with her husband the party CEO or checked his work, I am sure will be the argument, but she is still a brilliant leader presumably.
    But, as the judge said in the Kids Company case, if we hold people who take on legal and moral responsibility legally and morally responsible for outcomes… how will we get Proper People to such jobs?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,224
    FPT
    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    I don't want to puncture this immigration theory of everything, but those differential unemployment rates are probably related to age more than anything else, as London has a younger population and young people, lacking marketable experience, are much more likely to be unemployed (unemployment rate of 18-24yos is 13%, compared to 3% for over 50yos).

    But a younger population should also have a higher employment rate and London's is below average.

    You're right that people without marketable experience, and skills, will have higher unemployment but how many of London's current unemployed will ever gain those ?

    As opposed to becoming unemployable for life as they subsist on welfare while being replaced by the next wave of immigrants.
    London's employment rate is 74%, versus 75% UK average. That's exceptionally high if you consider the number of students in London. You misinterpreted the figures and now you're digging a big hole.

    What's remarkable about the UK is we have high employment rates, and low unemployment, despite the enormous levels of net migration over the last few years.
    That is because they are all registered as disabled to get higher benefits , you will not see that in other developed countries
    The economically inactive rate in the UK is 22.1%.

    That is lower than the EU average - 24.4%
    It is lower than France (24.8%), Spain (25%), USA (25.1%, Belgium (28.9%) and Italy (33.6%).

    Japan, Germany and Canada are doing better than us but we are in the top half of the OECD and G7 for economically active population.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,268
    edited March 20
    https://www.politics.co.uk/comment/2025/03/20/jonathan-hinder-the-government-does-not-run-this-country-politicians-need-to-take-back-control/

    “The government does not run this country — politicians need to take back control”, @Jonathan_Hinder writes for @Politics_co_uk

    The Labour MP goes on to question the role of the OBR, the ECHR, the Sentencing Council, even the Bank of England
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    edited March 20

    kle4 said:

    Sturgeon has been “cleared”.
    But her husband who was CEO of the SNP while she was Leader has been charged with embezzlement.

    I think a period of silence from Ms Sturgeon might be sensible.

    Her book “Frankly” is due for release on 14 August.

    Being frank, she never discussed finances with her husband the party CEO or checked his work, I am sure will be the argument, but she is still a brilliant leader presumably.
    But, as the judge said in the Kids Company case, if we hold people who take on legal and moral responsibility legally and morally responsible for outcomes… how will we get Proper People to such jobs?
    I assume that's a paraphrase or comic extension of the actual argument made, but it's depressingly in line with an awful lot of thinking when it comes to such matters.

    As I often note as well people are often so worried about overreacting to things, that they don't react sufficiently in the first place - such as in holding accountable people accountable.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,248
    edited March 20
    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605
    edited March 20

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    As I said, search yourself although interestingly the only person who has suggested that you are one of the people I'm tilting at is, by your preemptive response to my post, you.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,611

    Scott_xP said:

    One of the DOGEbags

    @rmac.bsky.social‬

    We spent a while reporting on Davis's past and what motivates him on cost-cutting.

    One noteworthy anecdote: Davis was so obsessed with cost-cutting that he removed key parts from SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket, directly causing its failure on its second ever test flight.

    https://bsky.app/profile/rmac.bsky.social/post/3lksxorfqb22y

    The second flight of Falcon 1 failed because the staging wasn’t clean - interstage bumped into the nozzle for the second stage. Which caused the second stage to become unstable.

    I presume the claim refers to adding further slosh baffles in the second stage tank.

    How could they be so dumb - it's not rocket science.
    The Merlin engine had more residual thrust after shutdown than expected. This was because of greater than expected thrust from the cooling system of the engine, as it vented. There was also an asymmetric thrust issue from the gas generator exhaust, IIRC, which caused roll issues on all the Falcon 1 flights.

    Tom Mueller and one of his engineers then wrote a paper on the thrust generating dynamics of rocket engine throat cooling systems, IIRC.

    Quite a few second stages, of various rockets, don’t have slosh baffles. Apart from the weight, they have a history of breaking off and getting ingested into turbo pumps. Which get upset and then explode.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    I don't buy that there is a lack of knowledge of the dangers, so I'm skeptical of the worth of yet more campaigns on things.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,611

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    I don’t actually recall anyone arguing for never going back to normal. There were a few “lock down everything until the last case is gone” types.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605
    Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    There are plenty of great things that young people can use mobile phones for. Cigarettes, less so.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    As I said, search yourself although interestingly the only person who has suggested, by your preemptive response to my post, that you are one of the people I'm tilting at....is you.
    Nah, I wasn't assuming that. It's just that I'm well aware that a lot of the anti-vax and anti-lockdown people are very keen on both using hindsight and ignoring reality. Therefore I asked a simple question, and one you evidently could not answer.

    In my first response I asked you to name names; you then referred directly to me. "little toad" LOL. And I'm fairly certain I never asked for "ID cards with vaccination status".

    My own view - with hindsight - is that the first lockdown nearly give years ago was 100% valid. The second, probably so. Restrictions after that became increasingly pointless. But that is with hindsight.

    What were you saying at the time?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 595

    MattW said:

    This is another very odd immigration story,

    Tourist in US chained 'like Hannibal Lecter'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly67j35y99o

    It was actually the Canadians who denied her entry to Canada. The Canadians are generally much more easy going on checks and questioning about your intentions, especially for the UK passport holders as you can be in Canada for 6 months.

    Mrs U has worked in Seattle and when she did I visited regularly. I have been back and forth over the border between Seattle and Vancouver loads of times and never had any issue on either side. For Canada to reject you suggests something really wasn't in order.

    Have the Canadians tightened it up as part of their performative fluffing of Trump?

    AIUI public humiliation is part of the system in the USA - hence the famous "perp-walk" when going from detention to Court or similar.

    Perp-walk (Google summary):
    The primary goal of a perp walk is to satisfy public interest, demonstrate the effectiveness of law enforcement, or potentially shame the person.

    The public escort is designed to allow the media to photograph or videotape the individual, often before they have been formally charged or convicted.


    Plus the police always go in more cautiously and more demandingly ("GET FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR") because anyone, at any time, anywhere, could have one of the 400 million guns in the country to hand.

    My (unusual, astringent, prejudiced ?) view is that that the USA has never counted as part of the civilised world, because of this type of deliberate behaviour and a society that perhaps requires it, and it certainly doesn't now.
    The US is the only developed country that had widespread slavery in the modern era, and all the associated brutality that accompanies that. That history has cast a long shadow, especially in the area of law enforcement. I agree with you, it frequently doesn't feel like other so-called civilised countries.
    You forgot about their treatment of their indigenous people.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,033

    Scott_xP said:

    One of the DOGEbags

    @rmac.bsky.social‬

    We spent a while reporting on Davis's past and what motivates him on cost-cutting.

    One noteworthy anecdote: Davis was so obsessed with cost-cutting that he removed key parts from SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket, directly causing its failure on its second ever test flight.

    https://bsky.app/profile/rmac.bsky.social/post/3lksxorfqb22y

    The second flight of Falcon 1 failed because the staging wasn’t clean - interstage bumped into the nozzle for the second stage. Which caused the second stage to become unstable.

    I presume the claim refers to adding further slosh baffles in the second stage tank.

    How could they be so dumb - it's not rocket science.
    The Merlin engine had more residual thrust after shutdown than expected. This was because of greater than expected thrust from the cooling system of the engine, as it vented. There was also an asymmetric thrust issue from the gas generator exhaust, IIRC, which caused roll issues on all the Falcon 1 flights.

    Tom Mueller and one of his engineers then wrote a paper on the thrust generating dynamics of rocket engine throat cooling systems, IIRC.

    Quite a few second stages, of various rockets, don’t have slosh baffles. Apart from the weight, they have a history of breaking off and getting ingested into turbo pumps. Which get upset and then explode.
    They were using a Merlin engine?!
    Christ, that’s retro..
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    As I said, search yourself although interestingly the only person who has suggested, by your preemptive response to my post, that you are one of the people I'm tilting at....is you.
    Nah, I wasn't assuming that. It's just that I'm well aware that a lot of the anti-vax and anti-lockdown people are very keen on both using hindsight and ignoring reality. Therefore I asked a simple question, and one you evidently could not answer.

    In my first response I asked you to name names; you then referred directly to me. "little toad" LOL. And I'm fairly certain I never asked for "ID cards with vaccination status".

    My own view - with hindsight - is that the first lockdown nearly give years ago was 100% valid. The second, probably so. Restrictions after that became increasingly pointless. But that is with hindsight.

    What were you saying at the time?
    Yeah the little toad comment was nothing in particular to do with your behaviour one way or another at the time. The ID card with vax status was put forward, or endorsed by ***** ****** (number of *s not necessarily accurate).
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,536

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1902743242744951056

    Fox News is now talking about people getting the death penalty for attacking Teslas

    If Starmer wants to increase his popularity he could immediately introduce the death penalty for anybody buying one.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,290
    edited March 20
    Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    I think it's much better to aid parents by wholesale banning them. It's simple, very beneficial, easily understood, and won't cause issues between parents and children. We had Gameboys as kids - they were absolutely not allowed in classrooms, so why would a far more advanced and far-reaching entertainment device be allowed? They need to be out of the picture from arrival until hometime. Smart watches with screens under a certain size could be permissible for parents worried about their kids being incommunicado.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 595
    kle4 said:

    Suckers.

    Pension fraud victims forced to pay taxes on stolen money

    HMRC accused of treating people who fell for scams like criminals


    HMRC is forcing fraud victims to pay tax on pension savings stolen by scammers.

    Hundreds of people have suffered from the actions of fraudulent financial advisers who lost their funds in high-risk investments or misinformed them that they could make an early withdrawal from their pension without a penalty.

    The first 25 per cent taken out of a pension is tax-free, but only if withdrawn after you reach the age of 55. Before then, HMRC treats it as an unauthorised payment, even in cases of fraud.

    This means the victim will be subject to tax charges of at least 55 per cent on the withdrawn money and potentially as high as 70 per cent. Accumulated annual interest of 8 per cent means some are having to pay back more in tax than they took out.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/20/pension-fraud-victims-being-taxed-on-lost-money/

    Sounds like something lawyers came up with.
    Fairly straightforward. They took their money which triggered a tax liability (con #1) and then it was stolen (con #2). There is no protection in law or even tax law for being stupid.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,290
    TOPPING said:

    Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    There are plenty of great things that young people can use mobile phones for. Cigarettes, less so.
    They could learn how to blow smoke rings. Get a voice like Rod Stewart. Impress girls. Any number of useful things.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,121
    edited March 20

    https://www.politics.co.uk/comment/2025/03/20/jonathan-hinder-the-government-does-not-run-this-country-politicians-need-to-take-back-control/

    “The government does not run this country — politicians need to take back control”, @Jonathan_Hinder writes for @Politics_co_uk

    The Labour MP goes on to question the role of the OBR, the ECHR, the Sentencing Council, even the Bank of England

    I think Britain has been taken over by
    1. Non-accountable Quangos
    2. Non-accountable Lawyers
    3. Non-accountable sub-contractors

    Civic values and responsibilities have been privatised, overly-legalized, or assigned to faceless statutory bodies which are themselves stuffed with the politically naive.

    This is all a manifestation of the neo-liberal era which started in 1979 and is now collapsing around our ears.

    The same phenomenon is obvious in other countries, but I actually think Britain is the single worst example.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,108
    France has told all its citizens to leave Iran immediately.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,658

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    As I said, search yourself although interestingly the only person who has suggested, by your preemptive response to my post, that you are one of the people I'm tilting at....is you.
    Nah, I wasn't assuming that. It's just that I'm well aware that a lot of the anti-vax and anti-lockdown people are very keen on both using hindsight and ignoring reality. Therefore I asked a simple question, and one you evidently could not answer.

    In my first response I asked you to name names; you then referred directly to me. "little toad" LOL. And I'm fairly certain I never asked for "ID cards with vaccination status".

    My own view - with hindsight - is that the first lockdown nearly give years ago was 100% valid. The second, probably so. Restrictions after that became increasingly pointless. But that is with hindsight.

    What were you saying at the time?
    There were plenty of us from all e ds of the spectrum at the time saying that lockdown was wrong. The 'we all thought...' defence doesn't wash.

    Though I'd stress that many who were pro-lockdown - while I strongly disagree with their position - I like personally, and I'm not going to let stong disagreement on one subject equate to personal dislike.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,605

    TOPPING said:

    Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    There are plenty of great things that young people can use mobile phones for. Cigarettes, less so.
    They could learn how to blow smoke rings. Get a voice like Rod Stewart. Impress girls. Any number of useful things.
    And, if they smoke Sobranies, (believe that they) look cool as hell.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    As I said, search yourself although interestingly the only person who has suggested, by your preemptive response to my post, that you are one of the people I'm tilting at....is you.
    Nah, I wasn't assuming that. It's just that I'm well aware that a lot of the anti-vax and anti-lockdown people are very keen on both using hindsight and ignoring reality. Therefore I asked a simple question, and one you evidently could not answer.

    In my first response I asked you to name names; you then referred directly to me. "little toad" LOL. And I'm fairly certain I never asked for "ID cards with vaccination status".

    My own view - with hindsight - is that the first lockdown nearly give years ago was 100% valid. The second, probably so. Restrictions after that became increasingly pointless. But that is with hindsight.

    What were you saying at the time?
    Yeah the little toad comment was nothing in particular to do with your behaviour one way or another at the time. The ID card with vax status was put forward, or endorsed by ***** ****** (number of *s not necessarily accurate).
    Aw, I love you too.

    I'll just point out your refusal to provide evidence for any of your claims.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,879
    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,367
    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Shouldn't it be split anyway as there are east and west constituencies?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,367

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,108
    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Split into the Isle of Wight and the Isle of Swarthies?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,439

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
    They arrived on small boats with Red Funnels.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Not all of us as a look through the PB comments will show.

    But there were plenty who did:

    And the government preferred to keep the airports open rather than the schools.
    I just randomly searched on a thread from 2021. Dear god there were very, very many absolute arsehole motherfuckers on PB arguing for lockdown and for ID cards with vaccination status and that we should never get back to normal.

    Vom-inducing and plenty are here moaning about Trump and whatnot when they were agitating for a dystopian society wherein they were doing very well thank you.

    Pathetic.

    Not you, btw.
    Name names then, coward.
    LOL. Search yourself and see what a pathetic little toad you were. Still are, obvs.
    "Little toad"

    LOL.

    Please, give links, so I can defend myself. Otherwise. just admit you're very much using hindsight, and not looking at the situation as we saw it then.

    So show me a comment of mine, please. :)
    As I said, search yourself although interestingly the only person who has suggested, by your preemptive response to my post, that you are one of the people I'm tilting at....is you.
    Nah, I wasn't assuming that. It's just that I'm well aware that a lot of the anti-vax and anti-lockdown people are very keen on both using hindsight and ignoring reality. Therefore I asked a simple question, and one you evidently could not answer.

    In my first response I asked you to name names; you then referred directly to me. "little toad" LOL. And I'm fairly certain I never asked for "ID cards with vaccination status".

    My own view - with hindsight - is that the first lockdown nearly give years ago was 100% valid. The second, probably so. Restrictions after that became increasingly pointless. But that is with hindsight.

    What were you saying at the time?
    There were plenty of us from all e ds of the spectrum at the time saying that lockdown was wrong. The 'we all thought...' defence doesn't wash.

    Though I'd stress that many who were pro-lockdown - while I strongly disagree with their position - I like personally, and I'm not going to let stong disagreement on one subject equate to personal dislike.
    And I would strongly argue that being against the first lockdown, in particular, was a fairly silly position to take, given the little we knew at the time. Which was why so many countries around the world enacted similar policies - and AIUI the few that did not, had vast numbers of people locking down voluntarily. Governments made very similar decisions based on the sparse information we had in March 2020. Once we get more information, and vaccination were in most peoples' arms, the situation changed.

    It was/is a spectrum: being totally anti-lockdown was (IMHO) wrong; being for eternal lockdown was also (IMHO) wrong. Given that, it is where we lied in the spectrum. And gong back to 2020 or 2021 and using what we know with hindsight is also silly.

    But I am also somewhat biased, as I see many people being both anti-lockdown and anti-vax.

    Agree with your last clause.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,291
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    This is another very odd immigration story,

    Tourist in US chained 'like Hannibal Lecter'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly67j35y99o

    It was actually the Canadians who denied her entry to Canada. The Canadians are generally much more easy going on checks and questioning about your intentions, especially for the UK passport holders as you can be in Canada for 6 months.

    Mrs U has worked in Seattle and when she did I visited regularly. I have been back and forth over the border between Seattle and Vancouver loads of times and never had any issue on either side. For Canada to reject you suggests something really wasn't in order.

    Have the Canadians tightened it up as part of their performative fluffing of Trump?

    AIUI public humiliation is part of the system in the USA - hence the famous "perp-walk" when going from detention to Court or similar.

    Perp-walk (Google summary):
    The primary goal of a perp walk is to satisfy public interest, demonstrate the effectiveness of law enforcement, or potentially shame the person.

    The public escort is designed to allow the media to photograph or videotape the individual, often before they have been formally charged or convicted.


    Plus the police always go in more cautiously and more demandingly ("GET FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR") because anyone, at any time, anywhere, could have one of the 400 million guns in the country to hand.

    My (unusual, astringent, prejudiced ?) view is that that the USA has never counted as part of the civilised world, because of this type of deliberate behaviour and a society that perhaps requires it, and it certainly doesn't now.
    The US is the only developed country that had widespread slavery in the modern era, and all the associated brutality that accompanies that. That history has cast a long shadow, especially in the area of law enforcement. I agree with you, it frequently doesn't feel like other so-called civilised countries.
    You forgot about their treatment of their indigenous people.
    The USSR certainly presented itself as developed, and yet it made extensive use of slave labour, in the 20th century. Likewise modern China.

    The Russian/Soviet version of the Manifest Destiny was even more brutal than its US counterpart’s. As Yermolov put it, “When in doubt, exterminate.”
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,439

    TOPPING said:

    Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    There are plenty of great things that young people can use mobile phones for. Cigarettes, less so.
    They could learn how to blow smoke rings. Get a voice like Rod Stewart. Impress girls. Any number of useful things.
    Without phones, bullies would have to go back to the old methods. Ten cowards picking on an innocent victim.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
    I was actually just thinking that: do people swim across the Solent between the Isle of Wight and the mainland? It must be possible, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it. Perhaps it's just not noteworthy.

    (Last week I was invited to be on a cross-channel relay swim. I refused, but was pleased to have been asked. Not bad as I only learnt to swim 'properly' last year. :)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,445

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
    I was actually just thinking that: do people swim across the Solent between the Isle of Wight and the mainland? It must be possible, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it. Perhaps it's just not noteworthy.

    (Last week I was invited to be on a cross-channel relay swim. I refused, but was pleased to have been asked. Not bad as I only learnt to swim 'properly' last year. :)
    Sounds like you can practice for your cross-channel swim and earn money for charity:

    https://www.aspire.org.uk/event/solent-swims
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,367
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth

    What? You're on the A47 heading to King's Lynn!?
    No, Pembroke dock surely...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,445

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth

    What? You're on the A47 heading to King's Lynn!?
    No, Pembroke dock surely...
    The medieval core of Kings Lynn is beautiful. To visit, at any rate. Hanseatic league warehouses and so on. General Vancouver left from there.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
    I was actually just thinking that: do people swim across the Solent between the Isle of Wight and the mainland? It must be possible, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it. Perhaps it's just not noteworthy.

    (Last week I was invited to be on a cross-channel relay swim. I refused, but was pleased to have been asked. Not bad as I only learnt to swim 'properly' last year. :)
    Sounds like you can practice for your cross-channel swim and earn money for charity:

    https://www.aspire.org.uk/event/solent-swims
    Thanks for that! I lived in the area for a few years, but had never heard of anyone doing it. An acquaintance kayaked (*) across. But no, I'm not going to swim it. Mrs J is used to me doing mad things, but I think attempting a Solent or Channel swim (even as a relay) would mean divorce.

    Hang on, perhaps I should... :)

    (I can never remember the difference between a kayak and a canoe, but people take it very seriously. They're just all small, fine boats you row to me ...)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,974
    carnforth said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Help I think I’m in the ugliest most boring place on earth

    What? You're on the A47 heading to King's Lynn!?
    No, Pembroke dock surely...
    The medieval core of Kings Lynn is beautiful. To visit, at any rate. Hanseatic league warehouses and so on. General Vancouver left from there.
    I'm fairly fond of King's Lynn. And yes, the central core is quite nice. Lots of history everywhere.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,879

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
    I was actually just thinking that: do people swim across the Solent between the Isle of Wight and the mainland? It must be possible, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it. Perhaps it's just not noteworthy.

    (Last week I was invited to be on a cross-channel relay swim. I refused, but was pleased to have been asked. Not bad as I only learnt to swim 'properly' last year. :)
    Yes, they do. The former MP did it as a fundraiser some time back. The main hazard is of course all the shipping and boating.
  • Badar Khan Suri, an Indian citizen, is a postdoctoral fellow studying and teaching at the prestigious Washington DC institution on a student visa. He has been accused of "spreading Hamas propaganda" and having "close connections to a known or suspected terrorist" by the Department of Homeland Security, but US authorities have not publicly provided evidence of that claim.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1enyqjgjlqo

    Can the media not use google? A dossier with receipts.

    Married to a daughter of senior Hamas official, he worked for a Hamas official, repeatedly pictured with leading Hamas high ranking officials, both him and his wife numerous social posts supporting Hamas. The only real surprise is he got a visa in the first place.

    https://www.camera.org/article/politico-runs-cover-for-hamasniks-at-georgetown/

    I'd say the surprise is the BBC haven't offered him a position to film a "documentary" yet.
  • Ratters said:

    TOPPING said:

    Not that I want to hark back to l*ckd*wn but young children were isolated from their friends and social groups and one of, if not the only way for them to communicate was via mobile phones.

    Lab (and the Cons tbf) are now saying that having created the conditions whereby young children were forced onto their phones, that phones are pernicious and should be taken away from young children.

    Yes circumstances might be different and people can socialise now, but that is playing fast and loose with peoples' wellbeing. And of course lockdown was the most pernicious of pernicious acts that any government has imposed on its population and we all lapped it up and wanted more.

    Rather than trying (and probably failing) to ban smartphones for teens (whether wholesale or while at schools), can we first at least attempt a campaign to educate on the dangers of social media and other addictive aspects of technology? For both parents and children.

    Treat is like smoking. Legal but highly damaging.
    I think it's much better to aid parents by wholesale banning them. It's simple, very beneficial, easily understood, and won't cause issues between parents and children. We had Gameboys as kids - they were absolutely not allowed in classrooms, so why would a far more advanced and far-reaching entertainment device be allowed? They need to be out of the picture from arrival until hometime. Smart watches with screens under a certain size could be permissible for parents worried about their kids being incommunicado.
    I don't see why there should be a blanket policy one way or another. It should be up to the school/teacher how they want the lesson to go in their room.

    There's a time and a place for technology. If you're using the phone in a lesson to go on Snapchat or play Candy Crush or whatever then yes that's problematic.

    If on the other hand it's being used in a productive manner as a useful tool with an educational app etc then I see absolutely no harm in that whatsoever.

    I see it just like calculators. When I was in school the norm was that calculators were not permitted in Maths lessons, but there were times when they were and we'd be told when we could use them and when we could not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,815
    Christopher Webb
    @cwebbonline
    Trump and Republicans have awakened a sleeping giant—and they will regret it.

    REPUBLICAN TOWN HALL CHANT: “Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich…”

    https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1902542629541441564
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,348
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking news - the Isle of Wight Reform Party, which claims over a thousand members, has split, with the Chair and Parliamentary candidate and a number of other members resigning, in concern at the treatment of Rupert Lowe and accusing Farage of being too soft on migrants….

    Migrants from the Big Island? :)
    Send em back to where they came from...
    I was actually just thinking that: do people swim across the Solent between the Isle of Wight and the mainland? It must be possible, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it. Perhaps it's just not noteworthy.

    (Last week I was invited to be on a cross-channel relay swim. I refused, but was pleased to have been asked. Not bad as I only learnt to swim 'properly' last year. :)
    Yes, they do. The former MP did it as a fundraiser some time back. The main hazard is of course all the shipping and boating.
    I did the Round the Island race quite a few years ago. My wife said aren't you afraid of drowning? I said there was far bigger chance of getting run over.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,257

    Scott_xP said:

    One of the DOGEbags

    @rmac.bsky.social‬

    We spent a while reporting on Davis's past and what motivates him on cost-cutting.

    One noteworthy anecdote: Davis was so obsessed with cost-cutting that he removed key parts from SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket, directly causing its failure on its second ever test flight.

    https://bsky.app/profile/rmac.bsky.social/post/3lksxorfqb22y

    The second flight of Falcon 1 failed because the staging wasn’t clean - interstage bumped into the nozzle for the second stage. Which caused the second stage to become unstable.

    I presume the claim refers to adding further slosh baffles in the second stage tank.

    How could they be so dumb - it's not rocket science.
    The Merlin engine had more residual thrust after shutdown than expected. This was because of greater than expected thrust from the cooling system of the engine, as it vented. There was also an asymmetric thrust issue from the gas generator exhaust, IIRC, which caused roll issues on all the Falcon 1 flights.

    Tom Mueller and one of his engineers then wrote a paper on the thrust generating dynamics of rocket engine throat cooling systems, IIRC.

    Quite a few second stages, of various rockets, don’t have slosh baffles. Apart from the weight, they have a history of breaking off and getting ingested into turbo pumps. Which get upset and then explode.
    They were using a Merlin engine?!
    Christ, that’s retro..
    At least they're not Vultures :lol:
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