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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    nico67 said:

    These really are dark times . I do wonder what sort of country those cheering on Trump think they’re going to end up with . It’s quite astonishing now to see the US AG effectively trashing the law and constitution she’s there to protect .

    And it’s now upto the Supreme Court to step in which is quite something when saving the last vestiges of US democracy are down to a Conservative majority court . Although I expect the Mago loons now to turn on that if it makes any rulings that Trump doesn’t like .

    The Court is clever. Malign, but clever. They can 'deny' the extent of what Trump believes to be his powers (since that appears to be functionally endless), whilst setting out what he can do, which will probably be as broad as judicially imaginable given the majority believe Presidents can commit crimes with impunity.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,379
    kle4 said:

    Well, I guess we now know how far down the rabbit hole you have gone, given Foxy was making a point about the lessons from genocide.
    Instrumentalising genocide to promote a particular ideology is not "learning lessons" but rather a very pernicious form of propaganda.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19

    Immigration is not the conspiracy theories the focus group are talking about. I get the anger about "Boriswave" of migrants but the conspiracy shit is beyond that:

    "Conspiracy theories abounded: Epstein and a shady force “pulling the strings” featured."

    "But bit by bit, our politics is becoming more online, more conspiratorial, more fractious, more American."

    https://www.channel4.com/news/james-johnson-pollsters-thoughts-on-political-swing-in-uk
    I would want to know exactly what people were saying about Epstein.

    I don't think it is massive tin foil hat stuff to believe to some degree there is a lot more to that story than we currently know, too many things just don't stack up e.g. the guy appeared to have limitless money, but nobody can really work out where it all came from. There are researched stories of him earning millions here and there from previous financial scams, but that doesn't square with the lifestyle he led.

    I don't think it is totally out of the realms of possibilities that he was some sort of intelligence asset.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    DogeDesigner

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    🚨 ELON MUSK: "I sleep for about 6 hours on average and I work almost every waking hour.

    I don't have social dinners really. I literally just will have lunch and dinner during meetings and continue the meeting."

    ===

    The problem in a nutshell.

    Does he work almost every waking hour though? Ok, multitasking, but he clearly spends a lot of time scrolling through online content every day.

    I don't doubt he spends more time focusing on achieving his various goals than most people, but it does feel played up a bit, like when my brother used to insist he worked 100 hours a week.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,691
    edited March 19
    Leon said:

    Have you considered the possibility that extremely wide experience of the world - eg my encounter today with a fairly unique living witness to the Rwandan genocide - might give me some insights that others don’t? I’m not saying that is necessarily true, or even probably true, but it is of course possible
    That you can spend the day discussing one of the most bloody genocides of recent decades then come on here cheerleading race war shows how little it broadens the mind.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,309
    dixiedean said:

    That's a slippery moral slope.
    The nicest guard at Auschwitz isn't something to aspire to.
    But, what you do, if you were a free black in the South in1860? Your sister is a slave, you can buy her, and manumission is extremely difficult. And if you free her, there’s a risk she’ll be re-enslaved, if there’s the slightest error in her paperwork.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,708
    Leon said:

    Fair enough

    He was full of the most incredible stories. At one point he saved his life by giving away a stick of chewing gum just as he was about to be shot

    He also pointed out that he was unarmed, they had no guns. They were “military observers”, so they had to stand there and watch as the butchering took place right in front of them

    We had some wine (excellent Tannat!) and got quite candid and I asked him right out if he was affected by it, perhaps traumatized. He was adamant that he was and is fine. “I am a soldier”. It seemed to be the case. He was good company, level headed, quite amusing, and I think a bit bored of boring Montevideo

    He did admit that one of his superior officers, a Canadian, went a bit bonkers - then wrote this book

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_Hands_with_the_Devil_(book)
    Dallaire was unfairly blamed by quite a few at the time, which can’t have helped. He seems basically to have been given an impossible mandate, with insufficient forces and weapons, and his warnings ignored.

    He sent ten Belgians to protect the then prime minster; they were all killed. And Belgium then withdrew its forces, who were the majority of the UN contingent. And the genocide happened.
    You can see how that might weigh hard.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240
    Foxy said:

    That you can spend the day discussing one of the most bloody genocides of recent decades then come on here cheerleading race war shows how little it broadens the mind.
    This “you’re a racist” shit is just boring now. What’s the point?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    edited March 19

    Instrumentalising genocide to promote a particular ideology is not "learning lessons" but rather a very pernicious form of propaganda.
    Your point might be more persuasive if not for months of propagandising. You implied it was a threat to democracy if Trump could not defy federal court orders and moaned it was just people venerating the US Constitution. If that was a troll then it makes it hard to spot a serious point.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240

    I would want to know exactly what people were saying about Epstein.

    I don't think it is massive tin foil hat stuff to believe to some degree there is a lot more to that story than we currently know, too many things just don't stack up e.g. the guy appeared to have limitless money, but nobody can really work out where it all came from. There are researched stories of him earning millions here and there from previous financial scams, but that doesn't square with the lifestyle he led.

    I don't think it is totally out of the realms of possibilities that he was some sort of intelligence asset.
    Here’s a true story

    My ex wife’s dad is the most insane conspiracy theorist I know. He’s so conspiratorial he thinks Flat Earthers (he used to be one) are boring normies duped by the Establishment. He reckons David Icke is too orthodox. He believes entire chunks of human history have been faked

    Anyway during my marriage I encountered one of his madder theories. It went like this:

    “Somewhere in the Caribbean there’s a secret private island owned by a billionaire who flies in US presidents and famous actors and Bill Gates and British royals to have sex with underage girls, who are kept there like slaves”

    i scoffed, of course
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    edited March 19
    You gotta laugh.

    Lord Glasman was the ONLY british politician invited to be seated at the Trump inauguration fest and yet he has just been on Newsnight completely slagging off Trumpski policy - such as it is - over Ukraine and praising Starmer's leadership.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19
    Leon said:

    Here’s a true story

    My ex wife’s dad is the most insane conspiracy theorist I know. He’s so conspiratorial he thinks Flat Earthers (he used to be one) are boring normies duped by the Establishment. He reckons David Icke is too orthodox. He believes entire chunks of human history have been faked

    Anyway during my marriage I encountered one of his madder theories. It went like this:

    “Somewhere in the Caribbean there’s a secret private island owned by a billionaire who flies in US presidents and famous actors and Bill Gates and British royals to have sex with underage girls, who are kept there like slaves”

    i scoffed, of course
    Well Alex Jones does get 1 in a million of his stories correct...

    Re Epstein, its not a secret that Robert Maxwell had close ties to intelligence agencies.

    Crickey I will be being labelled as conspiracy theorist if I am not careful.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,356
    Leon said:

    Have you considered the possibility that extremely wide experience of the world - eg my encounter today with a fairly unique living witness to the Rwandan genocide - might give me some insights that others don’t? I’m not saying that is necessarily true, or even probably true, but it is of course possible
    You have a knowledge of extremes, both at the top and at the bottom, and often from decades ago

    Whether that's living in druggie squats or on remand on rape charges to more recently posho hotels and restaurants.

    So very top 10% and bottom 10%.

    But most people live in the 80% in between.

    Living the sort of mundane, average lives of which your experience is deficient.

    Have you ever had, for example, a standard 9-5 style 40 hour per week job ?

    Now does your experience allow you a different perspective on the current UK ? Possibly.

    But only if you applied that experience.

    And to do that you would need to be in and travelling and actually meeting people in this country.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,546

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    🚨 ELON MUSK: "I sleep for about 6 hours on average and I work almost every waking hour.

    I don't have social dinners really. I literally just will have lunch and dinner during meetings and continue the meeting."

    ===

    The problem in a nutshell.

    Mrs Thatcher was said to get by on four hours a night. And that ended well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,708
    Chair of the Danish parliament’s defence committee:

    I dont know if there is a kill switch in the F35’s or not [there isn’t]. We obviously can not take your word for it.

    As one of the decision makers behind Denmark’s purchase of F35’s, I regret it.

    The USA can certainly disable the planes by simple stopping the supply of spare parts. They want to strengthen Russia and weaken Europa and are showing that they are willing to do tremendous damage to peaceful and loyal allies like Canada just because they insist on existing as a country.

    I can easily imagine a situation where the USA will demand Greenland from Denmark and will threaten to deactivate our weapons and let Russia attack us when we refuse (which we will even in that situation).

    Therefore, buying American weapons is a security risk that we can not run. We will make enormous investments in air defence, fighter jets, artillery and other weapons in the coming years, and we must avoid American weapons if at all possible.

    I encourage our allies and friends to do the same.

    https://x.com/RasmusJarlov/status/1902389277423509877
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,942

    You gotta laugh.

    Lord Glasman was the ONLY british politician invited to be seated at the Trump inauguration fest and yet he has just been on Newsnight completely slagging off Trumpski policy - such as it is - over Ukraine and praising Starmer's leadership.

    Why was Lord Glasman there though? What's the connection?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    Nigelb said:

    Chair of the Danish parliament’s defence committee:

    I dont know if there is a kill switch in the F35’s or not [there isn’t]. We obviously can not take your word for it.

    As one of the decision makers behind Denmark’s purchase of F35’s, I regret it.

    The USA can certainly disable the planes by simple stopping the supply of spare parts. They want to strengthen Russia and weaken Europa and are showing that they are willing to do tremendous damage to peaceful and loyal allies like Canada just because they insist on existing as a country.

    I can easily imagine a situation where the USA will demand Greenland from Denmark and will threaten to deactivate our weapons and let Russia attack us when we refuse (which we will even in that situation).

    Therefore, buying American weapons is a security risk that we can not run. We will make enormous investments in air defence, fighter jets, artillery and other weapons in the coming years, and we must avoid American weapons if at all possible.

    I encourage our allies and friends to do the same.

    https://x.com/RasmusJarlov/status/1902389277423509877

    Trump told us relentlessly that there is an American Deep State.

    Where the fuck is it and why is it not acting to deal with treason?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19
    ohnotnow said:

    Mrs Thatcher was said to get by on four hours a night. And that ended well.
    I live on 4-5hrs of sleep a day....I don't have access to the nuke codes though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,708
    Your regular reminder that there has been one (1) politician in American history who reindustrialized America after a period of deindustrialization
    https://x.com/Noahpinion/status/1902497783116079141

    Reviled by most Republicans ever since, of course.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240
    Nigelb said:

    Chair of the Danish parliament’s defence committee:

    I dont know if there is a kill switch in the F35’s or not [there isn’t]. We obviously can not take your word for it.

    As one of the decision makers behind Denmark’s purchase of F35’s, I regret it.

    The USA can certainly disable the planes by simple stopping the supply of spare parts. They want to strengthen Russia and weaken Europa and are showing that they are willing to do tremendous damage to peaceful and loyal allies like Canada just because they insist on existing as a country.

    I can easily imagine a situation where the USA will demand Greenland from Denmark and will threaten to deactivate our weapons and let Russia attack us when we refuse (which we will even in that situation).

    Therefore, buying American weapons is a security risk that we can not run. We will make enormous investments in air defence, fighter jets, artillery and other weapons in the coming years, and we must avoid American weapons if at all possible.

    I encourage our allies and friends to do the same.

    https://x.com/RasmusJarlov/status/1902389277423509877

    Mind boggling tweet

    Not sure it’s wise
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,356

    Why was Lord Glasman there though? What's the connection?
    Vance is a big fan of Glasman's 'blue labour' theorising.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,546

    I live on 4-5hrs of sleep a day....
    Have you ever stolen anyone's milk?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    ohnotnow said:

    Mrs Thatcher was said to get by on four hours a night. And that ended well.
    Blimey.

    There is no comparison.

    If you think the poll tax and trying to smash the leadership of the miners unions is even barely comparable with a coup to end US democracy, wreck the constitution, threaten judges and install a never ending Trump dynasty then I am afrid you are wrong imho.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,960
    Leon said:

    Here’s a true story

    My ex wife’s dad is the most insane conspiracy theorist I know. He’s so conspiratorial he thinks Flat Earthers (he used to be one) are boring normies duped by the Establishment. He reckons David Icke is too orthodox. He believes entire chunks of human history have been faked

    Anyway during my marriage I encountered one of his madder theories. It went like this:

    “Somewhere in the Caribbean there’s a secret private island owned by a billionaire who flies in US presidents and famous actors and Bill Gates and British royals to have sex with underage girls, who are kept there like slaves”

    i scoffed, of course
    Jeffrey Epstein's behavior was fairly well documented: his 2008 plea deal was covered at length by The Miami Herald.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,546

    Blimey.

    There is no comparison.

    If you think the poll tax and trying to smash the leadership of the miners unions is even barely comparable with a coup to end US democracy, wreck the constitution, threaten judges and install a never ending Trump dynasty then I am afrid you are wrong imho.
    It was meant as a light-hearted joke. I should have added an emoji.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19
    rcs1000 said:

    Jeffrey Epstein's behavior was fairly well documented: his 2008 plea deal was covered at length by The Miami Herald.
    It is interesting we are now only just starting to learn about the Wirecard bloke. That was always the weirdest story / company that didn't add up e.g. getting actors in the Far East to pretend to the bank that did business with Wirecard to try and convince auditors.

    The FT did some great work on that and got very threatening incoming, but it appears they only just scratched the surface. It doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near the coverage you would think.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,901
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,901
    Leon said:

    Mind boggling tweet

    Not sure it’s wise
    It's wise to do it. It's not wise to say it out loud.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,913
    Leon said:

    Mind boggling tweet

    Not sure it’s wise
    I don’t see anything in that tweet that isn’t based on the current situation. The US under Trump is out of control . It’s a shame the UK is still having to arselick Trump .
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,980
    Leon said:

    Mind boggling tweet

    Not sure it’s wise
    Good to see someone has a pair of balls
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240

    It is interesting we are now only just starting to learn about the Wirecard bloke. That was always the weirdest story / company that didn't add up e.g. getting actors in the Far East to pretend to the bank that did business with Wirecard to try and convince auditors.

    The FT did some great work on that, but it appears they only just scratched the surface.
    i suspect you’re right that Epstein was an intelligence asset. Mossad?

    It is the easiest thing to do, if you think about it, in terms of power gained for trouble expended. Give a handsome charming sex mad sociopath a billion dollars. Tell him to buy a private island and stock it with sexy girls under 18 or even 16. Fly in extremely powerful or wealthy men promising them a great party, then offer them the girls, and secretly take photos and movies of the illegal and/or kinky sex - kompromat

    Result, you have incredible leverage over the most powerful men in the world, including US presidents and British princes


    Makes total sense to me, and of course Epstein was aided by the daughter of Robert Maxwell, also strongly suspected to be a Mossad asset

    And then Epstein conveniently offs himself in the most ridiculous way possible so he doesn’t go to trial
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,708
    edited March 19
    Leon said:

    Mind boggling tweet

    Not sure it’s wise
    We’re beyond that, I think.
    Europe has a brief chance to get its act together on defence, and that requires an honest discussion. The fact that the US cannot, for the first time in our lifetimes, by considered a reliable ally isn’t something you can ignore.

    And it’s not as though they aren’t already aware of that.

    ‘There is no kill switch’—The F-35 'kill switch' rumor has been debunked.

    “After weeks of speculation, the Pentagon formally denies having the ability to remotely disable @LockheedMartin’s F-35 fighter jets.”

    https://x.com/thef35/status/1902117234039992683


  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240
    viewcode said:

    It's wise to do it. It's not wise to say it out loud.
    Yes, that’s what I mean. The sentiment is entirely logical, but is this the best way to handle a maniac like Trump? To goad him publicly, however justified?

    I don’t know. Maybe there is no good way to handle Trump

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,494

    Blimey.

    There is no comparison.

    If you think the poll tax and trying to smash the leadership of the miners unions is even barely comparable with a coup to end US democracy, wreck the constitution, threaten judges and install a never ending Trump dynasty then I am afrid you are wrong imho.
    Is it possible the lack of sleep increased her risk of dementia? That's how I took the comment...
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,436
    edited March 19
    Nigelb said:

    Your regular reminder that there has been one (1) politician in American history who reindustrialized America after a period of deindustrialization
    https://x.com/Noahpinion/status/1902497783116079141

    That's crap.

    There have been several periods of industrial decline, after which America recovered. For example, just after the First World War, the American index of industrial production fell from 104.7 in January 1919 to 77.4 in February 1921. Under Harding and Coolidge American industry then boomed.

    See here. https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/100_years_accessible_tables.htm

    There have also been similar sharp setbacks then quick recoveries amongst many US Presidents, including Ronald Reagan.

    Twitter's analysis living up to its usual standard I see.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    Leon said:

    Yes, that’s what I mean. The sentiment is entirely logical, but is this the best way to handle a maniac like Trump? To goad him publicly, however justified?

    I don’t know. Maybe there is no good way to handle Trump

    Oh there is a good way to handle him. It involves a trial for treason and leg irons and a orange suit and 40 years in a maximum security.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    Nigelb said:

    We’re beyond that, I think.
    Europe has a brief chance to get its act together on defence, and that requires an honest discussion. The fact that the US cannot, for the first time in our lifetimes, by considered a reliable ally isn’t something you can ignore.

    And it’s not as though they aren’t already aware of that.

    ‘There is no kill switch’—The F-35 'kill switch' rumor has been debunked.

    “After weeks of speculation, the Pentagon formally denies having the ability to remotely disable @LockheedMartin’s F-35 fighter jets.”

    https://x.com/thef35/status/1902117234039992683


    How can we believe this?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19
    Leon said:

    i suspect you’re right that Epstein was an intelligence asset. Mossad?

    It is the easiest thing to do, if you think about it, in terms of power gained for trouble expended. Give a handsome charming sex mad sociopath a billion dollars. Tell him to buy a private island and stock it with sexy girls under 18 or even 16. Fly in extremely powerful or wealthy men promising them a great party, then offer them the girls, and secretly take photos and movies of the illegal and/or kinky sex - kompromat

    Result, you have incredible leverage over the most powerful men in the world, including US presidents and British princes


    Makes total sense to me, and of course Epstein was aided by the daughter of Robert Maxwell, also strongly suspected to be a Mossad asset

    And then Epstein conveniently offs himself in the most ridiculous way possible so he doesn’t go to trial
    He seemed to have tried to get involved with anybody who was anybody at one point or another. A load of the Tech Bros have said he was sniffing around in their social circles and very pushy about trying to get him to manage their money / raise money for them. He of course did that for Les Wexner, the bloke behind Limited Brands.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    ohnotnow said:

    It was meant as a light-hearted joke. I should have added an emoji.
    Ok. Sorry. Humble apologies.

    I have not had a good day to say the least with family care issues and so am a little over triggered this evening.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,078
    Leon said:

    Bit dull, I’m afraid - like nearly all of Latin America

    If you like hefty sausages and nice steaks, day after day, you’re in heaven

    I’ve just written a Kanpper’s Gazette article on why the food in the ex-Iberian colonies is almost universally dreary (the Philippines is the one place in SE Asia with shite food, in an area otherwise blessed)

    But they do have the wine. Ah, the wine
    Ta, looking forward to the article.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Leon said:

    Bit dull, I’m afraid - like nearly all of Latin America

    If you like hefty sausages and nice steaks, day after day, you’re in heaven

    I’ve just written a Kanpper’s Gazette article on why the food in the ex-Iberian colonies is almost universally dreary (the Philippines is the one place in SE Asia with shite food, in an area otherwise blessed)

    But they do have the wine. Ah, the wine
    No ceviche in Uruguay?

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,942
    Leon said:

    i suspect you’re right that Epstein was an intelligence asset. Mossad?

    It is the easiest thing to do, if you think about it, in terms of power gained for trouble expended. Give a handsome charming sex mad sociopath a billion dollars. Tell him to buy a private island and stock it with sexy girls under 18 or even 16. Fly in extremely powerful or wealthy men promising them a great party, then offer them the girls, and secretly take photos and movies of the illegal and/or kinky sex - kompromat

    Result, you have incredible leverage over the most powerful men in the world, including US presidents and British princes


    Makes total sense to me, and of course Epstein was aided by the daughter of Robert Maxwell, also strongly suspected to be a Mossad asset

    And then Epstein conveniently offs himself in the most ridiculous way possible so he doesn’t go to trial
    Apparently at one time the source of Epstein's wealth was more of a mystery than the fact he was a sex abuser. Is that still the case?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,078
    edited March 19
    Daisy McAndrew, previously Daisy Sampson, (on Sky News paper review) somehow looks almost the same today as she did in the 1990s.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19

    Apparently at one time the source of Epstein's wealth was more of a mystery than the fact he was a sex abuser. Is that still the case?
    I watched a documentary a year or two about this (I can't remember the name of it) focusing on following the money and they couldn't make it add up. Yes he had millions from some early financial scams, he definitely got paid handsomely to manage money for Les Wexner (perhaps he stole from him), but they couldn't find anything to pointed to having the sort of money that equated to his lifestyle...and he had a huge property empire that just appeared out of nowhere, a massive ranch, the island, NYC mansion, Florida, etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240
    Nigelb said:

    We’re beyond that, I think.
    Europe has a brief chance to get its act together on defence, and that requires an honest discussion. The fact that the US cannot, for the first time in our lifetimes, by considered a reliable ally isn’t something you can ignore.

    And it’s not as though they aren’t already aware of that.

    ‘There is no kill switch’—The F-35 'kill switch' rumor has been debunked.

    “After weeks of speculation, the Pentagon formally denies having the ability to remotely disable @LockheedMartin’s F-35 fighter jets.”

    https://x.com/thef35/status/1902117234039992683


    Of all the stupid things Trump has done, this - along with the tariff madness - seems the most stupid of all

    And i am strongly sympathetic (unlike anyone else on here) to a lot of the Trumpite Culture War on Woke. But the damage to alliances, friendships and American tech/industrial exports could be generational, it may never be fixable

    I cannot see the logic. And usually I can see some logic to what Trump does - even if it is evil and immoral

    Maybe Trump really is a Russian agent, just as Starmer works for China
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Rachel Reeves will announce the biggest spending cuts since austerity at next week’s spring statement after ruling out tax rises as a way to close her budget deficit.

    The chancellor will tell MPs next Wednesday that she intends to cut Whitehall budgets by billions of pounds more than previously expected in a move which could mean reductions of as much as 7% for certain departments over the next four years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/19/reeves-to-reveal-biggest-uk-spending-cuts-since-austerity-in-spring-statement
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,708

    How can we believe this?
    Because the likelihood of the US deliberately building such a vulnerability into one of their prime weapons systems is pretty minuscule.

    Particularly as they can anyway rapidly degrade its operability by withholding spares and the frequently required software updates.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240

    Apparently at one time the source of Epstein's wealth was more of a mystery than the fact he was a sex abuser. Is that still the case?
    Yes, it is

    Worth noting that what Epstein allegedly did - gather “kompromat” - is no longer possible, as deepfakes are now so good anyone allegedly compromised can credibly claim the image/video is fake, and no one can prove otherwise
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240

    Rachel Reeves will announce the biggest spending cuts since austerity at next week’s spring statement after ruling out tax rises as a way to close her budget deficit.

    The chancellor will tell MPs next Wednesday that she intends to cut Whitehall budgets by billions of pounds more than previously expected in a move which could mean reductions of as much as 7% for certain departments over the next four years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/19/reeves-to-reveal-biggest-uk-spending-cuts-since-austerity-in-spring-statement

    Jeez. Labour are gonna be polling single digits
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 19
    Leon said:

    Jeez. Labour are gonna be polling single digits
    Doesn't seem that long ago she was boasting that she would never ever ever choose a return to austerity. Going to be a tricky sell to her own side.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,227

    Somewhat different in that Ukraine is the victim of the war of aggression of Russia.

    Israel is the victim of attacks from Hamas continuing decades of harassment and seeking to annihilate Israel from the map right from the start.

    We should support Ukraine and Israel to win their wars and defeat their enemies.
    Nope. Hamas are indeed evil but they are not the target of the Israeli attacks. Israel aims to drive all the Palestinians out of Gaza by ethnic cleansing. And they also intend to do the same to the West Bank. You are actively supporting war crimes and genocide.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978

    Doesn't seem that long ago she was boasting that she would never ever ever choose a return to austerity. Going to be a tricky sell to her own side.
    Madness.

    The only reason she is doing this is her own economically bonkers fiscal rules.


    At the asylum the inmates have literally been asked to design their own straitjackets.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,240

    Doesn't seem that long ago she was boasting that she would never ever ever choose a return to austerity. Going to be a tricky sell to her own side.
    Labour are basically the Tories but with even lower growth and even more woke. That’s it

    It’s not going to be popular with voters

    And on that explosive note, I am off to drink Tannat wine and watch Netflix

    Buenas noches from Uruguay
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    Leon said:

    Jeez. Labour are gonna be polling single digits
    They will certainly leak more voters to the Greens if they just cut spending without further tax rises and see rebellions from leftwing Labour MPs
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978

    David Frum
    @davidfrum
    ·
    10h
    My late father-in-law, then a reporter for the Toronto Telegram, stood about 20 feet away when Ruby shot Oswald. For decades afterward, he was the target of crazed insinuations and accusations from conspiracy crackpots.

    https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1902356971354812422
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,494

    Doesn't seem that long ago she was boasting that she would never ever ever choose a return to austerity. Going to be a tricky sell to her own side.
    But with that majority, and Tory support?

    Re-election on the other hand...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,379

    Doesn't seem that long ago she was boasting that she would never ever ever choose a return to austerity. Going to be a tricky sell to her own side.
    Chancellor Rachel Reeves says "there will be no return to austerity under this Labour government"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPPFYlcmOY
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,901
    Leon said:

    Jeez. Labour are gonna be polling single digits
    Leon said:

    Jeez. Labour are gonna be polling single digits
    I return again, as I have before and will do, to my question: "If Labour is not there to look after the old and sick, what (the hell) is it for?"
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,379
    viewcode said:

    I return again, as I have before and will do, to my question: "If Labour is not there to look after the old and sick, what (the hell) is it for?"
    Free clothes for ministers?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,901

    Free clothes for ministers?
    Well it keeps them busy... 😀
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    viewcode said:

    I return again, as I have before and will do, to my question: "If Labour is not there to look after the old and sick, what (the hell) is it for?"
    The old have never had it so good, and sadly many of the sick are malingerers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978

    Chancellor Rachel Reeves says "there will be no return to austerity under this Labour government"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPPFYlcmOY
    The spending cuts are only there because of her bonkers fiscal rules.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    The spending cuts are only there because of her bonkers fiscal rules.

    Unfortunately the UK needs fiscal rules because Brexit then Truss destroyed market confidence.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,078
    edited March 20
    Labour governments are often more realistic than Tory ones in terms of their policies, oddly enough. Probably because the Conservatives are always afraid of public sector strikes whenever they do anything.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,978
    Q: You know he's term limited, how do you think he gets another term?

    Bannon: We're working on it

    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1902377254694613475
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,078
    edited March 20
    Leon said:

    Yes, it is

    Worth noting that what Epstein allegedly did - gather “kompromat” - is no longer possible, as deepfakes are now so good anyone allegedly compromised can credibly claim the image/video is fake, and no one can prove otherwise
    This is what worries me about something like writing, for instance: not that AI will write well (which it obviously will), but that new good writers will be accused of having used AI and they can't prove that isn't true.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,901
    HYUFD said:

    They will certainly leak more voters to the Greens if they just cut spending without further tax rises and see rebellions from leftwing Labour MPs
    They're gonna leak to Reform. The Greens are the protest vote for nice middle-class people with bookshelves who think the Lib Dems are too boring. Reform is the protest vote for working-class people who think Labour is too Tory and the Conservatives aren't anti-immigration enough.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 20
    viewcode said:

    They're gonna leak to Reform. The Greens are the protest vote for nice middle-class people with bookshelves who think the Lib Dems are too boring. Reform is the protest vote for working-class people who think Labour is too Tory and the Conservatives aren't anti-immigration enough.
    I can see the Green's winning the type of people who love a bit of Gary's Economics, especially if they ramp up talk of wealth taxes at a level above what that those nice middle class people with bookshelves are worth.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,078
    edited March 20
    "Judges Fear for Their Safety Amid a Wave of Threats

    Federal judges are worried that online threats against those who oversee high-profile cases challenging Trump administration policies may lead to real-world violence."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/19/us/trump-judges-threats.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,187

    Chancellor Rachel Reeves says "there will be no return to austerity under this Labour government"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPPFYlcmOY
    It's almost Trumpian in its denial of reality.

    "We are Labour. We don't do austerity. So whatever THIS is, it can't be austerity."
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 61
    Some percentages from Election Maps UK

    Glen (Harborough) Council By-Election Result:

    🌳 CON: 79.8% (+22.8)
    🔶 LDM: 11.2% (-17.5)
    🌹 LAB: 7.6% (New)
    🔴 SDP: 1.4% (New)

    No GRN (-14.2) as previous.

    Conservative HOLD.


    Abbots Langley & Bedmond (Three Rivers) Council By-Election Result:

    🌳 CON: 40.0% (-0.5)
    🔶 LDM: 33.6% (-0.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.0% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.8% (-8.1)
    🌹 LAB: 5.5% (-3.8)

    Conservative GAIN from Liberal Democrat.
    Changes w/ 2024.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,960
    scampi25 said:

    Some percentages from Election Maps UK

    Glen (Harborough) Council By-Election Result:

    🌳 CON: 79.8% (+22.8)
    🔶 LDM: 11.2% (-17.5)
    🌹 LAB: 7.6% (New)
    🔴 SDP: 1.4% (New)

    No GRN (-14.2) as previous.

    Conservative HOLD.


    Abbots Langley & Bedmond (Three Rivers) Council By-Election Result:

    🌳 CON: 40.0% (-0.5)
    🔶 LDM: 33.6% (-0.6)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.0% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.8% (-8.1)
    🌹 LAB: 5.5% (-3.8)

    Conservative GAIN from Liberal Democrat.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    Why are they having by-elections on a Wednesday?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,605

    Rachel Reeves will announce the biggest spending cuts since austerity at next week’s spring statement after ruling out tax rises as a way to close her budget deficit.

    The chancellor will tell MPs next Wednesday that she intends to cut Whitehall budgets by billions of pounds more than previously expected in a move which could mean reductions of as much as 7% for certain departments over the next four years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/19/reeves-to-reveal-biggest-uk-spending-cuts-since-austerity-in-spring-statement

    IFS says steepest cuts since 2019... which er... isn't that long really?
    The projections for disability spending are crazy, surely there is room to reduce vs that baseline.
    Disappointed so far that there hasn't been much clear analysis I've seen of what these changes mean.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,038
    Leon said:

    This “you’re a racist” shit is just boring now. What’s the point?
    Pointing and laughing at pathetic little racists is always a good thing to do.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,038
    kle4 said:

    Does he work almost every waking hour though? Ok, multitasking, but he clearly spends a lot of time scrolling through online content every day.

    I don't doubt he spends more time focusing on achieving his various goals than most people, but it does feel played up a bit, like when my brother used to insist he worked 100 hours a week.
    A colleague of mine once sent to work for a while with a large company in South Korea. The place was apparently like its own city, and he spent the entire long trip within it - he even had to hand over his passport when he entered, and inly got it back when he left.

    The South Koreans had a reputation in the industry of being incredibly hard workers; going into work very early and working exceptionally late. He debunked that, claiming that they turn up early, and stay very late, as everything they need is on site. But they have a very long lunch break, and other breaks during the day, the amount of time they actually work is about the same. (*)

    IME those who spend very long hours at work are not much more productive than those who do not - especially for jobs which require mental concentration.

    (*) I do wonder if this 'live at work' philosophy is a part of South Korea's demographic problem.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,080

    I can see the Green's winning the type of people who love a bit of Gary's Economics, especially if they ramp up talk of wealth taxes at a level above what that those nice middle class people with bookshelves are worth.
    Greens ?

    I know I run a refugee programme for dropped aitches when I have my Heggs for breakfast, but encouraging rampant breeding amongst apostrophes is pushing it a bit far.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,080
    HYUFD said:

    They will certainly leak more voters to the Greens if they just cut spending without further tax rises and see rebellions from leftwing Labour MPs
    Yes - the budget needs something significant on both sides.

    And Reeves needs to turn this "highest taxes since the 19xx" BS on it's head; that's not the comparator. We need to recover some of the money the last Governments failed to raise, and allowed to go on the national debt.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,708
    This week in Tashkent it's around 27degC - should be around 13.
    Forecast back to normal next week.
    Pretty wild spring weather.

    The region appears to be extremely vulnerable to climate change:
    https://enpc.hal.science/hal-04603104/file/Climate_change_impacts_on_Central_Asia_Trends_extr.pdf
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,080
    Royal Barrow is interesting.

    On his visit to the town, Sir Keir will say Barrow is a "blueprint" for how defence spending can benefit a community.

    He is due to announce that the King has agreed to grant Barrow the title of "Royal" in recognition of its contribution to national security.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z1w1y2neo
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,038
    For those of us genuinely interested in AI, here's a brilliant long-form interview with an Oxford professor who has worked on the problem for decades. He goes into the history of AI (though I don't think it started with Turing...), highlights past approaches, and talks about the future. Matches up much better with what I've heard from experts (from a superior uni) than the media hype.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-T3XdD9Z8

    Well worth a watch IMO. You may disagree with him, but I think most of us will at least learn something from it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,866
    MattW said:

    Royal Barrow is interesting.

    On his visit to the town, Sir Keir will say Barrow is a "blueprint" for how defence spending can benefit a community.

    He is due to announce that the King has agreed to grant Barrow the title of "Royal" in recognition of its contribution to national security.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z1w1y2neo

    Beats Wheel Barrow I suppose.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,866
    MattW said:

    Royal Barrow is interesting.

    On his visit to the town, Sir Keir will say Barrow is a "blueprint" for how defence spending can benefit a community.

    He is due to announce that the King has agreed to grant Barrow the title of "Royal" in recognition of its contribution to national security.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z1w1y2neo

    The "blueprint" idea is interesting. It suggests that what we are going to see in the budget is a serious attempt to get the economy out of the analeptic shock his Chancellor put it in in October by a significant boost to public spending on defence and no doubt other things, partly covered by more taxes and partly by yet more borrowing.

    I mean, what could go wrong?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,866
    Andy_JS said:

    "Judges Fear for Their Safety Amid a Wave of Threats

    Federal judges are worried that online threats against those who oversee high-profile cases challenging Trump administration policies may lead to real-world violence."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/19/us/trump-judges-threats.html

    Just maybe they shouldn't have indulged a break down in the rule of law then. Its hard to have much sympathy.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,919
    Leon said:

    You can’t tax the rich any more because the rich are ever more mobile, as Covid and WFH and the interweb have shown

    Britain is already suffering a profound exodus of rich people, more than any other nation on earth. At the same time sunnier places without terror attacks, migration nightmares and machete-wielding Rolex robbers are attracting these rich people (often the young) with digital nomad visas and very low taxes

    The Treasury is well aware of this, hence Labour backtracking on non doms and desperately trying to change its rhetoric on wealth

    If you want our tax base to entirely disappear, go ahead an impose a wealth tax, and see how much rain mobile wealthy people are willing to tolerate in return for, uhm, ah, the brilliance of the NHS?

    Don’t be silly. You put the tax on expensive property, which isn’t going anywhere.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,038
    In 2017 Musk announced the Tesla Roadster 2, and Tesla started taking $50,000 deposits for pre-orders. It was due to ship in 2020.

    It still has not shipped.

    In the meantime, Tesla has got to keep all those tens of thousands of deposits...

    https://x.com/MKBHD/status/1902408598254125125

    (Incidentally, many of the replies to that post are hysterical. e.g.: "Anyone who dislikes Tesla now is a blatant brainwashed by mainstream media radicalized cult member for the left.")
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,027
    It’s quite funny how for decades the liberal Hollywood chaps have used the Military Industrial Complex as a baddie, plotting to take down good people who threaten their interests and yet if this shady cabal exists it might be the best hope of stopping Trump in his tracks.

    You have to imagine that somewhere in a dark room in Washington DC the heads of defence manufacturers and related parties are meeting about how Trump has single handedly destroyed export markets of their most expensive products in a couple of months whilst also announcing cuts to domestic spending on defence.

    At what point do they become the plotters of film and tv and try and remove him?

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,136
    Meanwhile, in "two nations" news, talk of another focus group.

    Focus group tonight. Offered them a chance between partnering with the US on a key policy issue or partnering with France. They were so pro-France I thought they were about to sing "La Marseillaise"...

    C1, outer London.


    https://bsky.app/profile/gabrielmilland.bsky.social/post/3lkrajv2yok2u

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,136

    In 2017 Musk announced the Tesla Roadster 2, and Tesla started taking $50,000 deposits for pre-orders. It was due to ship in 2020.

    It still has not shipped.

    In the meantime, Tesla has got to keep all those tens of thousands of deposits...

    https://x.com/MKBHD/status/1902408598254125125

    (Incidentally, many of the replies to that post are hysterical. e.g.: "Anyone who dislikes Tesla now is a blatant brainwashed by mainstream media radicalized cult member for the left.")

    (Ken Livingstone voice:)

    I tell you who else took lots of deposits for cars that were never built.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,997
    edited March 20
    MattW said:

    Royal Barrow is interesting.

    On his visit to the town, Sir Keir will say Barrow is a "blueprint" for how defence spending can benefit a community.

    He is due to announce that the King has agreed to grant Barrow the title of "Royal" in recognition of its contribution to national security.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z1w1y2neo

    So appointing Simon Case, formerly Prince William's private secretary, as their chief exec has had some benefits?

    Edit - although I wonder if they thought through the title given what a 'royal barrow' actually is.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,360
    boulay said:

    It’s quite funny how for decades the liberal Hollywood chaps have used the Military Industrial Complex as a baddie, plotting to take down good people who threaten their interests and yet if this shady cabal exists it might be the best hope of stopping Trump in his tracks.

    You have to imagine that somewhere in a dark room in Washington DC the heads of defence manufacturers and related parties are meeting about how Trump has single handedly destroyed export markets of their most expensive products in a couple of months whilst also announcing cuts to domestic spending on defence.

    At what point do they become the plotters of film and tv and try and remove him?

    It's also ironic that one of Trumpski's persistent complaints is that Europeans don't buy American cars, while they did buy most of their weapons.

    We are still not buying their cars, especially Tesla's, or their weapons.

    He freaks out about balance of trade. Well, guess what...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,997

    (Ken Livingstone voice:)

    I tell you who else took lots of deposits for cars that were never built.
    And we're back to the Fast and the Fuhrer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,997

    (Ken Livingstone voice:)

    I tell you who else took lots of deposits for cars that were never built.
    Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Kein Tesla!
  • Nope. Hamas are indeed evil but they are not the target of the Israeli attacks. Israel aims to drive all the Palestinians out of Gaza by ethnic cleansing. And they also intend to do the same to the West Bank. You are actively supporting war crimes and genocide.
    You're wrong, they are targeting Hamas.

    Even Hamas themselves have admitted these recent attacks have taken out some of their leaders, including their 'head of government'.

    Hamas leaders are quite legitimate targets, are they not? Yet you refuse to accept that even when spelt out in black and white.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,027
    Scott_xP said:

    It's also ironic that one of Trumpski's persistent complaints is that Europeans don't buy American cars, while they did buy most of their weapons.

    We are still not buying their cars, especially Tesla's, or their weapons.

    He freaks out about balance of trade. Well, guess what...
    Their cars are exceptionally ugly which doesn’t help. Teslas look shit - apparently because it’s about eking out every bit of efficiency - but I’m sure a few fewer miles per charge for a better looking car isn’t the worst idea.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,997
    boulay said:

    Their cars are exceptionally ugly which doesn’t help. Teslas look shit - apparently because it’s about eking out every bit of efficiency - but I’m sure a few fewer miles per charge for a better looking car isn’t the worst idea.
    I don't think they look ugly, actually. Certainly not compared to the prototype new Jag.

    The big problem is they've been bought by rather too many people who drive like utter bellends, and that seems unlikely to change.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,216
    Nigelb said:

    Chair of the Danish parliament’s defence committee:

    I dont know if there is a kill switch in the F35’s or not [there isn’t]. We obviously can not take your word for it.

    As one of the decision makers behind Denmark’s purchase of F35’s, I regret it.

    The USA can certainly disable the planes by simple stopping the supply of spare parts. They want to strengthen Russia and weaken Europa and are showing that they are willing to do tremendous damage to peaceful and loyal allies like Canada just because they insist on existing as a country.

    I can easily imagine a situation where the USA will demand Greenland from Denmark and will threaten to deactivate our weapons and let Russia attack us when we refuse (which we will even in that situation).

    Therefore, buying American weapons is a security risk that we can not run. We will make enormous investments in air defence, fighter jets, artillery and other weapons in the coming years, and we must avoid American weapons if at all possible.

    I encourage our allies and friends to do the same.

    https://x.com/RasmusJarlov/status/1902389277423509877

    Good for him. At least one European politician appreciates the need for strategic autonomy and will say so.

    The calculation is a little different for SKS as he has much more to lose in the shape of Trident. If the US were to withdraw support that would be an ego shattering cataclysm for the English psyche on the level of Italia '90 hence his current policy of unabashed tromboning.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,270
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,360
    Dura_Ace said:

    Good for him. At least one European politician appreciates the need for strategic autonomy and will say so.

    The calculation is a little different for SKS as he has much more to lose in the shape of Trident. If the US were to withdraw support that would be an ego shattering cataclysm for the English psyche on the level of Italia '90 hence his current policy of unabashed tromboning.
    SKS doing a photo op on a Trident sub right now
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