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  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    edited March 8

    The London summit shows that predictions that Brexit would render the UK irrelevant were categorically wrong.
    Hahahaha I can barely bother responding. Do you comprehend how exposed we are. There are three major economic blocks: USA, BRICS and the EU. If you are not one of those, you are dog meat. Totally exposed. Running Putin's errands for him eh. Our sovereignity is more in perril now than in the EU. Look at our nuclear deterrent... totally in trumps pocket. And Starmer having to kiss a ring... and you lot screaming about sovereignity because of hoover engine sizes and standardization of USB cables. Now you probably support Trumps Canada and Greenland claims and supporting Russian aggressive war in the ukraine. What is to stop Trump calling for Britain to join the US next? The cognitive dissonance you inhabit is astounding.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769

    Bear in mind thaf Musk and Vance are close to both Thiel and Yarvin, to provide the context here.

    https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24266512/jd-vance-curtis-yarvin-influence-rage-project-2025

    Interesting read, thank you.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,189

    And the Ukranians are supposed to accept this on a vague assurance from Trump, a man who not only changes his mind on an hourly basis, but also at least has a bromance with Putin with some risk that he is an active Russian asset.

    Yeah, that will work.
    They are being softened up to it, yes. It's shit for Ukraine.

    I do sometimes wonder if Trump has been supplied by Putin with evidence (real, or I suppose fake) that Ukraine was behind his attempted assassination.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    Good morning, everyone.

    I've read several comments uptrend that I appreciate very much, but the content makes a Like totally inappropriate. I wish we had another button to say Thanks.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    edited March 8

    Morning All! Bright and sunny here again.
    Would that the world were!

    I hope (that's all I can do, and it's becoming somewhat forlorn) that the US Democrats will find their voice again and that the US will return to some semblance of constitutional government.
    It seems clear that's far as Ukraine is concerned, the US has changed sides; the news from Kursk is particularly bad.
    The decision on USAID is dreadful; there's a story in today's Guardian about Afghan girls in serious danger of being returned from their Omani university to Afghanistan, where, clearly there's no prospect whatsoever of them being able to continue their studies. And that's just one, I'm certain, of thousand such.
    Context: the UK did ours first, and it was not that much better. This was not a story I picked up on until a couple of years later - too much going on for me.

    https://archive.is/20250204221028/https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinero/2025/02/04/usaid-is-being-gutted-what-happened-when-the-uk-vaporized-its-own-aid-agency/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,142
    viewcode said:

    In the Yeltsin 1990's people were seriously saying Russia should join NATO. Obama was 2008-2016 and things have changed. The USA under Trump have snapped the West in two, threatened bits of Canada with annexation, have allied the USA with Russia over Ukraine, and are fantasizing about ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
    I thought you were in favour of treating the US as a foreign country like any other which necessarily means giving up on any idea of "the West" as a political entity.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,142

    Hahahaha I can barely bother responding. Do you comprehend how exposed we are. There are three major economic blocks: USA, BRICS and the EU. If you are not one of those, you are dog meat. Totally exposed. Running Putin's errands for him eh. Our sovereignity is more in perril now than in the EU. Look at our nuclear deterrent... totally in trumps pocket. And Starmer having to kiss a ring... and you lot screaming about sovereignity because of hoover engine sizes and standardization of USB cables. Now you probably support Trumps Canada and Greenland claims and supporting Russian aggressive war in the ukraine. What is to stop Trump calling for Britain to join the US next? The cognitive dissonance you inhabit is astounding.
    So according to you, almost every non-Chinese Asian economy is "dog meat"?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,189

    "he's decided he must get the Ukrainians to agree first."

    What rubbish negotiations that is. "You Ukrainians agree to whatever Putin and I agree together."

    It's basically a Ukrainian surrender. No wonder Putinite shills like it.
    I don't know if they have to give Trump carte blanche. But certainly he seems to want them to accept some basics before he starts negotiations with the Russians.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018

    "he's decided he must get the Ukrainians to agree first."

    What rubbish negotiations that is. "You Ukrainians agree to whatever Putin and I agree together."
    Yes, I've been trying to piece together how, in Trump's view of wanting a cessation of hostilities, openly saying he blames Ukraine and they need to come to heel first, aids arriving at a deal. The Russians seem incentivised to keep going whilst Trump removes support from Ukraine, at least until his now threatened 'sanctions' actually emerge.

    What about his position is otherwise bringing them to the table? I cannot see how it makes sense even on its own logic.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769

    I thought you were in favour of treating the US as a foreign country like any other which necessarily means giving up on any idea of "the West" as a political entity.
    I wasn't telling you what I want. I'm telling you what is.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871

    I don't know if they have to give Trump carte blanche. But certainly he seems to want them to accept some basics before he starts negotiations with the Russians.
    What basics?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275

    Thirty years ago, I was great friends with someone from Brimington, near Staveley and Shirebrook. He once said something like: "We used to have a steelworks, a benzine plant, a brickworks and a railway workshop. The steelwork's closed, the brickworks' reduced (*), the benzine plant is closing and the railway's closed."

    I haven't been back to Brimington/Staveley for over two decades, so I don't know what state it is now. But I do know the railway work's now a ?flourishing? preserved railway hub.

    https://www.barrowhill.org/

    (*) I once had to pick up a tonne and a half of unfired bricks from the brickworks.
    Now there are country parks, community woodlands, nature reserves across the old coalfields.

    Or housing estates and business parks.

    I don't know about the specifics of Brimington or Shirebrook but this is what happened just up the M1 at Orgreave:

    100 acres (40 ha) of the site has been redeveloped as the Advanced Manufacturing Park. In 2008, Harworth Estates submitted a planning application to redevelop 300 acres (120 ha) as the Waverley community, which will include 4,000 homes and some commercial development. 222 acres (90 ha) is being restored as green space including recreation areas, parks, woods, three lakes and a reservoir.

    Between 2012 and 2016, housebuilder's Taylor Wimpey, Harron Homes and Barratt Homes delivered the first 500 homes on the site. In 2017, Avant became the fourth housebuilder on site, purchasing two plots of land to build a total of 281 homes, and in the same year, Taylor Wimpey purchased further land to build another 130 new homes. In 2019 Harworth sold the latest residential phase to Barratt Homes to build 177 new homes.

    Waverley Junior Academy, located within the redeveloped area, is operated by Aston Community Education Trust.

    At the same time further land reclamation activities had increased the size of the Advanced Manufacturing Park to 150 acres (61 ha).


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgreave,_South_Yorkshire

    Now perhaps some old timers fondly reminisce about the industries which destroyed the environment and health of workers.

    But I prefer what we have now - cleaner, greener, with full employment and still affordable housing.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,142
    edited March 8
    https://x.com/frasernelson/status/1898322047824003203

    VERY good q. If just 6% of Birkenhead is unemployed, how can 51% of central Birkenhead be on out-of-work benefits?

    Answer is the smoke-and-mirrors of categorisation. Those on sickness benefit don't show up on unemployent figures.

    The DWP list of all "out-of-work benefits" gives the full picture

    At last count, just 1.7m are claimant unemployed.
    Reality: a full 6m out-of-work benefits...


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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    edited March 8

    Obama pushed for military cooperation with Russia and called them a strategic partner over Iran.

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/us-russia-relations-reset-fact-sheet
    Context William. Times have changed. That is not to say the idea wasn't a folly, but your orange boy is aligned with Russia against, checks notes NATO!
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397

    What basics?
    That Trump is very happy for people in the Ukraine to be Russia's next source of cannon fodder when Putin decides to invade the next country..
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    kle4 said:

    Yes, I've been trying to piece together how, in Trump's view of wanting a cessation of hostilities, openly saying he blames Ukraine and they need to come to heel first, aids arriving at a deal. The Russians seem incentivised to keep going whilst Trump removes support from Ukraine, at least until his now threatened 'sanctions' actually emerge.

    What about his position is otherwise bringing them to the table? I cannot see how it makes sense even on its own logic.
    Trump thinks it is Yalta. But unlike in the 1940 and 50s when the us had 60% of world GDP, it now has 12%. There are too many alternate economic and defense pathways for international.agreements to carve things up into clearcut zones.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,508
    HYUFD said:

    The trend being Reform are making gains amongst the middle aged most as I said and smaller gains amongst over 65s, despite some gains with young men even the Tories have made bigger gains with under 25s than Reform since the last GE
    Ah, that's what happened.

    You want to remain blissfully ignorant of what is going on? No problem! That's how you lose to a party that gets a third of the vote and a majority of 174.

    Listen to what people are saying. Listen to what your former voters are saying. Your former donors. Go and speak to people in the Real World - the ones who know how bad the economy is and long since stopped listening to whatever spin you disingenuously tried to present as the truth.

    What we know about young voters and dispossessed voters is that the pollsters barely know they exist. You are being hammered in the polls - down to third and sliding and have come on here claiming you are doing better than the party in first gaining ground?

    There are two realities. The political bubble, where actually people like you actually can haughtily dictate to actual people how their lives actually are actually, and then there is lived reality.

    In the real world, voters not only aren't listening to you, they don't care what you say. They *are* listening to Reform, because Reform are listening to them. Our country needs the Tories to wake up and start connecting with voters again, because unless you do we get Reform. And you saying that actually no we don't actually just makes Reform even more likely to happen.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561

    So according to you, almost every non-Chinese Asian economy is "dog meat"?
    You don't know what the BRICS are do you.... you have very strong opinions for somebody who is so ill informed.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,257
    MattW said:

    Context: the UK did ours first, and it was not that much better. This was not a story I picked up on until a couple of years later - too much going on for me.

    https://archive.is/20250204221028/https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinero/2025/02/04/usaid-is-being-gutted-what-happened-when-the-uk-vaporized-its-own-aid-agency/
    You're right, in principle. And I was extremely unhappy when we did what we did, but we didn't actually stop all aid dead in it's tracks, did we?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,142
    edited March 8

    You don't know what the BRICS are do you.... you have very strong opinions for somebody who is so ill informed.
    Oh please...

    The BRICS doesn't include countries like Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, and slightly further afield, Australia and New Zealand. They're all "dog meat", are they?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,153

    What basics?
    Stepovyna is gone. They're not joining NATO or whatever succeeds it. Z has to fuck off.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,508

    https://x.com/frasernelson/status/1898322047824003203

    VERY good q. If just 6% of Birkenhead is unemployed, how can 51% of central Birkenhead be on out-of-work benefits?

    Answer is the smoke-and-mirrors of categorisation. Those on sickness benefit don't show up on unemployent figures.

    The DWP list of all "out-of-work benefits" gives the full picture

    At last count, just 1.7m are claimant unemployed.
    Reality: a full 6m out-of-work benefits...


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    It is a significant problem. Our government/political machine has been captured by the "one more cut" mentality. How have we got all these people now in work claiming "benefits?" Lets cut. How have we got few unemployed but lots on the sick? Lets cut.

    You can cut the funding, but you can't cut the need. We need to go after the roots of the problem:
    Too many jobs do not pay the bills
    Jobs which invest zero in training and skills
    Not enough jobs
    Not enough childcare at times / prices to enable work
    Not enough money invested in preventative care as its been cut

    We could take an axe to "benefits: in Birkenhead. The people on them won't be driven back into work as the work isn't there and what work there is isn't viable to live on. So then you get a big uplift in crime which costs loads and crapifies whole communities which costs loads more.

    We need to completely reimagine work and social security. And I am increasingly persuaded that UBI needs to be at the heart of it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461
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    Now there are country parks, community woodlands, nature reserves across the old coalfields.

    Or housing estates and business parks.

    I don't know about the specifics of Brimington or Shirebrook but this is what happened just up the M1 at Orgreave:

    100 acres (40 ha) of the site has been redeveloped as the Advanced Manufacturing Park. In 2008, Harworth Estates submitted a planning application to redevelop 300 acres (120 ha) as the Waverley community, which will include 4,000 homes and some commercial development. 222 acres (90 ha) is being restored as green space including recreation areas, parks, woods, three lakes and a reservoir.

    Between 2012 and 2016, housebuilder's Taylor Wimpey, Harron Homes and Barratt Homes delivered the first 500 homes on the site. In 2017, Avant became the fourth housebuilder on site, purchasing two plots of land to build a total of 281 homes, and in the same year, Taylor Wimpey purchased further land to build another 130 new homes. In 2019 Harworth sold the latest residential phase to Barratt Homes to build 177 new homes.

    Waverley Junior Academy, located within the redeveloped area, is operated by Aston Community Education Trust.

    At the same time further land reclamation activities had increased the size of the Advanced Manufacturing Park to 150 acres (61 ha).


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgreave,_South_Yorkshire

    Now perhaps some old timers fondly reminisce about the industries which destroyed the environment and health of workers.

    But I prefer what we have now - cleaner, greener, with full employment and still affordable housing.
    But half naked men pouring steel is the only kind of industry!
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,860

    Stunning that we are writing sentences like this, even though seems true.

    Just incredible that the US can be turned to support a sworn enemy of decades standing on the say so of one man.
    That's the problem with Republics.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,329
    HYUFD said:

    Not entirely true given new Trump sanctions on Russia. It is more a question of where the territorial boundaries go in a ceasefire, even Trump is not giving Russia all of Ukraine
    Let’s be clear: Trump is absolutely fucking Ukraine over. They are grinding down the Russians - at great cost to themselves. With the support from Western allies Russia’s reserves are being drained.

    There is a risk that at some point Russia will break - slowly and then all at once. Trump is basically locking in for Russia their maximum point of gain and cutting off the downside risk. He will also force Ukraine to hand back their main negotiating card - Kursk.

    You can see this in Russia taking advantage of the technical support withdrawal to amp up attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure - a war crime for what it is worth. You can also see it in Russia’s demands for all of the four provinces they incorporated into Russia despite not actually occupying them and their starting red line that they won’t “give up an inch of Russian land”.

    Trump is trying to force Ukraine to surrender without anything to protect them in future.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,445

    Trump thinks it is Yalta. But unlike in the 1940 and 50s when the us had 60% of world GDP, it now has 12%. There are too many alternate economic and defense pathways for international.agreements to carve things up into clearcut zones.
    Yes, but.

    The world is dominated by US brands and products. Probably more so than in the 50s, and we more highly dependent on them than we were then.

    I am writing this on an iPhone. I’m getting my social media from X (though a diminishing amount), Instagram, and now Bluesky. All of them American. Much of my traditional media consumption is now ultimately American owned. So are at least half of the other apps on my phone.

    I spend money using Visa, Mastercard and American Express. (But at least fintech is still largely British dominated).

    Most of the media and electronics I consume, if it’s not American, is Chinese.

    Weaning off that is difficult.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,376

    Oh please...

    The BRICS doesn't include countries like Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, and slightly further afield, Australia and New Zealand. They're all "dog meat", are they?
    Korea has dog meat. Does that count?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,871

    That's the problem with Republics.
    On the other hand, the terrible quartet of Musk, Vance, Thiel and Yarvin, seem to want an absolute monarchy.

    Charles looks like a picture of benign civility, compared. He's just launched a new platform On Spotify to "share his music choices with the world, and encourage friendly discussion."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,257

    Now there are country parks, community woodlands, nature reserves across the old coalfields.

    Or housing estates and business parks.

    I don't know about the specifics of Brimington or Shirebrook but this is what happened just up the M1 at Orgreave:

    100 acres (40 ha) of the site has been redeveloped as the Advanced Manufacturing Park. In 2008, Harworth Estates submitted a planning application to redevelop 300 acres (120 ha) as the Waverley community, which will include 4,000 homes and some commercial development. 222 acres (90 ha) is being restored as green space including recreation areas, parks, woods, three lakes and a reservoir.

    Between 2012 and 2016, housebuilder's Taylor Wimpey, Harron Homes and Barratt Homes delivered the first 500 homes on the site. In 2017, Avant became the fourth housebuilder on site, purchasing two plots of land to build a total of 281 homes, and in the same year, Taylor Wimpey purchased further land to build another 130 new homes. In 2019 Harworth sold the latest residential phase to Barratt Homes to build 177 new homes.

    Waverley Junior Academy, located within the redeveloped area, is operated by Aston Community Education Trust.

    At the same time further land reclamation activities had increased the size of the Advanced Manufacturing Park to 150 acres (61 ha).


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgreave,_South_Yorkshire

    Now perhaps some old timers fondly reminisce about the industries which destroyed the environment and health of workers.

    But I prefer what we have now - cleaner, greener, with full employment and still affordable housing.
    I agree with your last sentence, but I suggest that miners strike and subsequent closure of the pits happened in the mid to late 80's; twenty to thirty years before the welcome developments you describe.
    Some thought should have been given to what would replace the pits, etc. but as we know it wasn't.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,329
    edited March 8

    Stunning that we are writing sentences like this, even though seems true.

    Just incredible that the US can be turned to support a sworn enemy of decades standing on the say so of one man.
    It’s not just one man. It’s also the supine GOP, the shattered Democrats and the neutered media.

    I’ve got to say that the single most depressing thing about this: where are Clinton, Obama, Bush and the others. I’ve seen Romney and Pence speak out, and Liz Cheney of course. But where are the leaders of the Republic?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    The Daily T podcast seems to be back on the TDS.

    They are viewing his 'SOTU' speech as they did his inauguration speech, where they got excited about the strong man claims, whilst ignoring that many of them were outright fabrications.

    The Daily T: Trump’s speech masterclass – and what world leaders can learn
    The President’s humour and showmanship had Republicans in rapture and made a laughing stock of Democrats


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QrOMHDFR48
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    edited March 8

    It is a significant problem. Our government/political machine has been captured by the "one more cut" mentality. How have we got all these people now in work claiming "benefits?" Lets cut. How have we got few unemployed but lots on the sick? Lets cut.

    You can cut the funding, but you can't cut the need. We need to go after the roots of the problem:
    Too many jobs do not pay the bills
    Jobs which invest zero in training and skills
    Not enough jobs
    Not enough childcare at times / prices to enable work
    Not enough money invested in preventative care as its been cut

    We could take an axe to "benefits: in Birkenhead. The people on them won't be driven back into work as the work isn't there and what work there is isn't viable to live on. So then you get a big uplift in crime which costs loads and crapifies whole communities which costs loads more.

    We need to completely reimagine work and social security. And I am increasingly persuaded that UBI needs to be at the heart of it.
    You can have such low wages that you qualify for benefits so as not to starve to death

    https://www.health.org.uk/evidence-hub/money-and-resources/poverty/in-work-poverty-trends

    Better minimum wage incentivises people to work. Why work and still be poor? But from the employers perspective the current system of topping up low wages is a subsidy to paying living wages. I don't think the poor are to blame for the perverse incentivisation.... it is industry keeping it in place to keep their perks
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    @aneil

    BEAR shits in wood. ANDREW NEIL explains how the toiletary habits of ursines have SHOCKED and SURPRISED him: "They don't even wipe!!"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14474223/
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,561

    In the real world, voters not only aren't listening to you, they don't care what you say. They *are* listening to Reform, because Reform are listening to them. Our country needs the Tories to wake up and start connecting with voters again, because unless you do we get Reform. And you saying that actually no we don't actually just makes Reform even more likely to happen.

    The Tories need a leader that is listening to the voters that the voters will listen to.

    in the last 50 years 4 out of the their 11 leaders can claim this. mostly for only a short period.
    Thatcher until some point after the 1987 election when she stopped listening
    Major until the ERM debacle when people stopped listing to him
    Cameron until Brexit when he quit
    Johnson until it started falling apart at the beginning of 2022

    I'd argue that only Tony Blair has managed it for Labour.
    Kier Starmer, once the lucky general, appears to be doing well enough with the foreign policy for people to start but Rachel from accounts is doing her best to scupper him. Even if he does he'll be well into his 60's by the next election and I'd be surprised if he makes it that far.

    People aren't listening to Badenoch at the moment. that may change but I suspect not.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    eek said:

    That Trump is very happy for people in the Ukraine to be Russia's next source of cannon fodder when Putin decides to invade the next country..
    People in the occupied areas of Ukraine have already been forcibly conscripted to the Russian Army.

    It will take a bit of digging to find a source and some numbers, though.

    (And I need to go out.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    kle4 said:

    And even his domestic opponents seem cowed and oddly passive about it. Like, they are outraged, but in an exhausted way.
    The Democratic establishment has past its sell by date.
    There are exceptions, but typically they're still appointing 80yr olds to key positions in Congress.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    MattW said:

    People in the occupied areas of Ukraine have already been forcibly conscripted to the Russian Army.

    It will take a bit of digging to find a source and some numbers, though.

    (And I need to go out.)
    I don't need the source - we both know it's a fact - and LuckyGuy would deny that the story is true even if we had a video of Putin saying it was the case..
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561

    Oh please...

    The BRICS doesn't include countries like Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, and slightly further afield, Australia and New Zealand. They're all "dog meat", are they?
    Your knowledge of international relations is woeful. I recomment you look up ASEAN, which falls under the US defense.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASEAN

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3973788/us-department-of-defense-vision-statement-for-a-prosperous-and-secure-southeast/
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    Hunter Biden has fallen on tough financial times amid his legal woes and his father’s departure from the White House.

    The former president’s son, in a filing with a federal court this week, said he’s struggling to sell his artwork and his book sales have plummeted as well. He also lost his rental home in the California wildfires and can’t find a place to live.

    He told the judge he’s in such financial straits that he has to drop a lawsuit he’d filed against a former Trump aide, and he hinted some other civil lawsuits he’s filed may also have to end.

    “Since late 2023 and through today, my income has decreased significantly,” Mr. Biden told the court.

    During the early years of his father’s term in the White House, Mr. Biden said he sold 27 pieces of art for an average of nearly $55,000 apiece. But since December 2023 he’s sold just one for $36,000.

    Meanwhile, sales of his memoir, “Beautiful Things,” dropped from 500 books a month to fewer than 200.

    He said he’d been lured into believing his work would have more staying power.

    “Given the positive feedback and reviews of my artwork and memoir, I was expecting to obtain paid speaking engagements and paid appearances, but that has not happened,” he said.

    Mr. Biden’s art dealer had praised him as a major talent in the art world.

    His critics said his buyers were paying for access to the Biden family, not for the artwork.

    In his court filing, Mr. Biden said he has “significant debt,” nodding at press reports that put it at “several million dollars.” He said he’s unable to get new loans.

    He also said his rental home was rendered unlivable by the Palisades fire in January. “I am having difficulty in finding a new permanent place to live,” he said.

    Mr. Biden’s 2024 also saw him convicted of federal gun and tax evasion charges. His father, Joseph R. Biden, gave him a pardon in December when he was still president.


    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/mar/6/nobodys-buying-hunter-bidens-art-anymore-even-lost-home/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,189
    Dura_Ace said:

    Stepovyna is gone. They're not joining NATO or whatever succeeds it. Z has to fuck off.
    Though in an odd way, the ire of Trump makes it slightly more likely that Zelensky will survive.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    edited March 8
    TimS said:

    Yes, but.

    The world is dominated by US brands and products. Probably more so than in the 50s, and we more highly dependent on them than we were then.

    I am writing this on an iPhone. I’m getting my social media from X (though a diminishing amount), Instagram, and now Bluesky. All of them American. Much of my traditional media consumption is now ultimately American owned. So are at least half of the other apps on my phone.

    I spend money using Visa, Mastercard and American Express. (But at least fintech is still largely British dominated).

    Most of the media and electronics I consume, if it’s not American, is Chinese.

    Weaning off that is difficult.
    The ownership structure of those "american" brands is far more complicated and distributed than you think. Look up any major company you like and the notion of them having any national allegiance is quite superficial. It is just global capital and it moves about all the time. Look at the 1980s I think 8 of the 10 biggest corporations were Japanese... there are none left. Capital splashes about on a path of least resistance ..... and let me tell you: there is resistance in the US now.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    It is a significant problem. Our government/political machine has been captured by the "one more cut" mentality. How have we got all these people now in work claiming "benefits?" Lets cut. How have we got few unemployed but lots on the sick? Lets cut.

    You can cut the funding, but you can't cut the need. We need to go after the roots of the problem:
    Too many jobs do not pay the bills
    Jobs which invest zero in training and skills
    Not enough jobs
    Not enough childcare at times / prices to enable work
    Not enough money invested in preventative care as its been cut

    We could take an axe to "benefits: in Birkenhead. The people on them won't be driven back into work as the work isn't there and what work there is isn't viable to live on. So then you get a big uplift in crime which costs loads and crapifies whole communities which costs loads more.

    We need to completely reimagine work and social security. And I am increasingly persuaded that UBI needs to be at the heart of it.
    The little food bank I'm connected with has families where both parents have full time jobs but their combined income still doesn't cover the bills.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,142

    Your knowledge of international relations is woeful. I recomment you look up ASEAN, which falls under the US defense.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASEAN

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3973788/us-department-of-defense-vision-statement-for-a-prosperous-and-secure-southeast/
    You are so hysterical that you don't realise how incoherent your arguments are.

    ASEAN "falls under the US defense"? Is that the same US that you have just said is collapsing and betraying all its allies?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    AnneJGP said:

    The little food bank I'm connected with has families where both parents have full time jobs but their combined income still doesn't cover the bills.
    Is that because of food prices or because of housing costs ?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,329

    I was wondering this morning how long it will be before we see some of the US intelligence service people claiming asylum in other NATO countries because they were being asked to pass intelligence to the Russians.

    That won’t be publicly disclosed
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Dura_Ace said:

    Stepovyna is gone. They're not joining NATO or whatever succeeds it. Z has to fuck off.
    That's certainly the pitch.
    Question is whether Europe has the sense to say no.
    That would be far better for its future, beyond the next twelve months.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666

    The ownership structure of those "american" brands is far more complicated and distributed than you think. Look up any major company you like and the notion of them having any national allegiance is quite superficial. It is just global capital and it moves about all the time. Look at the 1980s I think 8 of the 10 biggest corporations were Japanese... there are none left. Capital splashes about on a path of least resistance ..... and let me tell you: there is resistance in the US now.
    "Trump thinks it is Yalta"

    I doubt he's ever heard of it frankly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    edited March 8
    MattW said:

    The Daily T podcast seems to be back on the TDS.

    They are viewing his 'SOTU' speech as they did his inauguration speech, where they got excited about the strong man claims, whilst ignoring that many of them were outright fabrications.

    The Daily T: Trump’s speech masterclass – and what world leaders can learn
    The President’s humour and showmanship had Republicans in rapture and made a laughing stock of Democrats


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QrOMHDFR48

    Well I'll have a pint of whatever the Telegraph is drinking.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,325

    "Trump thinks it is Yalta"

    I doubt he's ever heard of it frankly.
    More like Yoda
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    Is that because of food prices or because of housing costs ?
    I don't know, being a back-office person. It's true that there's are a lot more things these days that are effectively essentials - the days when people could just not spend money on what would have been considered "non-essentials" have gone. And I don't mean Sky packages etc.

    When I was young, if you had rent, clothes, food, fuel & household sundries you were OK; you could walk or cycle to work. Nowadays, not so much.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    IanB2 said:

    Leondamus strikes again.
    Wrong Sean surely.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,658
    edited March 8
    spudgfsh said:

    The Tories need a leader that is listening to the voters that the voters will listen to.

    in the last 50 years 4 out of the their 11 leaders can claim this. mostly for only a short period.
    Thatcher until some point after the 1987 election when she stopped listening
    Major until the ERM debacle when people stopped listing to him
    Cameron until Brexit when he quit
    Johnson until it started falling apart at the beginning of 2022

    I'd argue that only Tony Blair has managed it for Labour.
    Kier Starmer, once the lucky general, appears to be doing well enough with the foreign policy for people to start but Rachel from accounts is doing her best to scupper him. Even if he does he'll be well into his 60's by the next election and I'd be surprised if he makes it that far.

    People aren't listening to Badenoch at the moment. that may change but I suspect not.
    There are reasons why people are not listening to Badenoch. Among them are that there is a worldwide Trumpian crisis going on, touching UK's deepest interests, in which the only useful job an opposition can do is be loyal. This leaves little spare attention for domestic discussions.

    Also, through circumstance Starmer has suddenly gone to being a person who matters on the world stage, so he gets some extra time to sort out how to simultaneously spend more, spend, less, tax less, tax others, dish out more and less free stuff, and perform 7 million operations and conduct 40,000 sex offences trials in a month while emptying the prisons.

    So far anyway, Badenoch offers no 'big picture change', so in fact the question is can they run the country more competently than Labour. As the answer is 'No' there again is little to think about.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    AnneJGP said:

    I don't know, being a back-office person. It's true that there's are a lot more things these days that are effectively essentials - the days when people could just not spend money on what would have been considered "non-essentials" have gone. And I don't mean Sky packages etc.

    When I was young, if you had rent, clothes, food, fuel & household sundries you were OK; you could walk or cycle to work. Nowadays, not so much.
    Whereabouts are you (as I can't remember). I'm seeing on Reddit an awful lot of people down South being kicked out of their rental homes only to discover that the new market rents are well beyond the level they can afford...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,289

    Well I'll have a pint of whatever the Telegraph is drinking.
    Just say no, kids.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197

    "Trump thinks it is Yalta"

    I doubt he's ever heard of it frankly.
    He thinks it's the Apprentice writ large.

    That was every bit as delusional/chaotic - but had a very good editor. Elon and JD aren't that.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197

    Well I'll have a pint of whatever the Telegraph is drinking.
    I wouldn't. The Koolaid is poisonous.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,508
    AnneJGP said:

    The little food bank I'm connected with has families where both parents have full time jobs but their combined income still doesn't cover the bills.
    Universal Basic Income. Give every adult their tax free allowance as cash from the government. We're given a grand a month. Any money you earn is taxed. So we hugely simplify the tax system. We don't need means tested "benefits" as we're all getting them, so we can hugely simplify social security. The sick and disabled who need more support get it based on their need, not their income.

    A vast array of painful pointless bureaucracy removed, and people can have enough money to live on. Which means money circulates through our economy - shops, hospitality and businesses actually have customers. Which creates jobs and investment. We take all of the stresses of money away and people live happier lives, less broken families etc etc etc.

    The key challenge is to remove the mentality that these are "benefits". Pay it to everyone and hopefully this issue can no longer be weaponised by the right to set the poor against the poorer for the benefit of the ultra rich.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,445

    The ownership structure of those "american" brands is far more complicated and distributed than you think. Look up any major company you like and the notion of them having any national allegiance is quite superficial. It is just global capital and it moves about all the time. Look at the 1980s I think 8 of the 10 biggest corporations were Japanese... there are none left. Capital splashes about on a path of least resistance ..... and let me tell you: there is resistance in the US now.
    That’s true of traditional consumer brands. It’s much less true of tech and social media. The money and power is very concentrated. All the listed groups are on Nasdaq or NYSE, most of the PE backed ones are US houses, and almost all privately owned big tech is Americans.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,445
    algarkirk said:

    There are reasons why people are not listening to Badenoch. Among them are that there is a worldwide Trumpian crisis going on, touching UK's deepest interests, in which the only useful job an opposition can do is be loyal. This leaves little spare attention for domestic discussions.

    Also, through circumstance Starmer has suddenly gone to being a person who matters on the world stage, so he gets some extra time to sort out how to simultaneously spend more, spend, less, tax less, tax others, dish out more and less free stuff, and perform 7 million operations and conduct 40,000 sex offences trials in a month while emptying the prisons.

    So far anyway, Badenoch offers no 'big picture change', so in fact the question is can they run the country more competently than Labour. As the answer is 'No' there again is little to think about.
    She just seems a bit lightweight, rightly or wrongly. The same student politics air that undermined Corbyn.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054

    "Trump thinks it is Yalta"

    I doubt he's ever heard of it frankly.
    It was the year before he was born.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,325

    Universal Basic Income. Give every adult their tax free allowance as cash from the government. We're given a grand a month. Any money you earn is taxed. So we hugely simplify the tax system. We don't need means tested "benefits" as we're all getting them, so we can hugely simplify social security. The sick and disabled who need more support get it based on their need, not their income.

    A vast array of painful pointless bureaucracy removed, and people can have enough money to live on. Which means money circulates through our economy - shops, hospitality and businesses actually have customers. Which creates jobs and investment. We take all of the stresses of money away and people live happier lives, less broken families etc etc etc.

    The key challenge is to remove the mentality that these are "benefits". Pay it to everyone and hopefully this issue can no longer be weaponised by the right to set the poor against the poorer for the benefit of the ultra rich.
    How would this work with pensions etc?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    I’ve heard from a solid source that medical supplies from US to frontline medics in Ukraine are being withheld through USAID and military logistics. If true this is absolutely unacceptable.
    https://x.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1898044590029992080

    And absolutely unsurprising.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,561
    algarkirk said:

    There are reasons why people are not listening to Badenoch. Among them are that there is a worldwide Trumpian crisis going on, touching UK's deepest interests, in which the only useful job an opposition can do is be loyal. This leaves little spare attention for domestic discussions.

    Also, through circumstance Starmer has suddenly gone to being a person who matters on the world stage, so he gets some extra time to sort out how to simultaneously spend more, spend, less, tax less, tax others, dish out more and less free stuff, and perform 7 million operations and conduct 40,000 sex offences trials in a month while emptying the prisons.

    So far anyway, Badenoch offers no 'big picture change', so in fact the question is can they run the country more competently than Labour. As the answer is 'No' there again is little to think about.
    For her, there's an amount of 'it's too soon after the last Tory government' about it. by the next election it's going to be less of a thing. between now and then (when people will actually start to take notice of the opposition leader) she needs to form a coherent vision for the country and the policies which will enable that. The problem is that I don't think she's got it in her.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,935
    spudgfsh said:

    For her, there's an amount of 'it's too soon after the last Tory government' about it. by the next election it's going to be less of a thing. between now and then (when people will actually start to take notice of the opposition leader) she needs to form a coherent vision for the country and the policies which will enable that. The problem is that I don't think she's got it in her.
    She also has to create a team around her that is both loyal and suggests competence. Neither are plausible.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,240

    Ah, that's what happened.

    You want to remain blissfully ignorant of what is going on? No problem! That's how you lose to a party that gets a third of the vote and a majority of 174.

    Listen to what people are saying. Listen to what your former voters are saying. Your former donors. Go and speak to people in the Real World - the ones who know how bad the economy is and long since stopped listening to whatever spin you disingenuously tried to present as the truth.

    What we know about young voters and dispossessed voters is that the pollsters barely know they exist. You are being hammered in the polls - down to third and sliding and have come on here claiming you are doing better than the party in first gaining ground?

    There are two realities. The political bubble, where actually people like you actually can haughtily dictate to actual people how their lives actually are actually, and then there is lived reality.

    In the real world, voters not only aren't listening to you, they don't care what you say. They *are* listening to Reform, because Reform are listening to them. Our country needs the Tories to wake up and start connecting with voters again, because unless you do we get Reform. And you saying that actually no we don't actually just makes Reform even more likely to happen.
    No poll forecasts a Reform majority, at most Farage could become PM with Kemi’s support.

    You also forget most Tory voters would prefer Reform in government to another Labour government.

    Left liberals like you may despise Farage but unless you tactically vote Tory in seats where the Tories were first and Reform second at the last general election like mine then your lectures mean nothing. Labour will lose its red wall seats to Reform most likely regardless anyway
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    eek said:

    Whereabouts are you (as I can't remember). I'm seeing on Reddit an awful lot of people down South being kicked out of their rental homes only to discover that the new market rents are well beyond the level they can afford...
    South west. People are in difficulties with finding affordable rental properties, e.g an elderly and ill couple sofa-surfing with relations who treat them like servants. But what can the council do? They have to deal with the highest-priority people first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,240

    Universal Basic Income. Give every adult their tax free allowance as cash from the government. We're given a grand a month. Any money you earn is taxed. So we hugely simplify the tax system. We don't need means tested "benefits" as we're all getting them, so we can hugely simplify social security. The sick and disabled who need more support get it based on their need, not their income.

    A vast array of painful pointless bureaucracy removed, and people can have enough money to live on. Which means money circulates through our economy - shops, hospitality and businesses actually have customers. Which creates jobs and investment. We take all of the stresses of money away and people live happier lives, less broken families etc etc etc.

    The key challenge is to remove the mentality that these are "benefits". Pay it to everyone and hopefully this issue can no longer be weaponised by the right to set the poor against the poorer for the benefit of the ultra rich.
    Which means extra burden on taxpayers to fund benefits for millionaires of working age. Unemployment benefit whether via JSA or UC is well under £12k, other benefits are for the disabled, rent etc
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666
    "several federal judges in the Washington DC area had received pizzas sent anonymously to their homes, a gesture that police interpreted as “a form of intimidation meant to convey that a target’s address is known”."

    Guardian
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,990
    TimS said:

    She just seems a bit lightweight, rightly or wrongly. The same student politics air that undermined Corbyn.
    Kemi needs to distance herself from Trump and all he entails - and fasten Farage to him with superglue.

    Earn some respect in France and Germany.

    That would be a big win for the next six months.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Russia is already subject to “large-scale banking sanctions.” There is nothing left to sanction Russia with when it comes to their financial sector. This is an empty threat meant to fool the gullible MAGA rubes.
    https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1898028608960000322
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249
    Is it wrong to wish that Trump, Vance, Musk, Hegseth, Gabbard, Waltz, and Rubio finish up in front of a firing squad?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,240
    edited March 8
    AnneJGP said:

    The little food bank I'm connected with has families where both parents have full time jobs but their combined income still doesn't cover the bills.
    Do they have TVs, internet, cars, phones, alcohol, cigarettes, holidays, meals out etc? If so then their incomes probably cover the basic essentials of food and drink, clothing and accommodation, just the food bank helps them afford relative luxuries
  • TresTres Posts: 2,754

    The London summit shows that predictions that Brexit would render the UK irrelevant were categorically wrong.
    where have you been for the past 10 years? we only regained relevance because the US have gone round the twist
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018
    edited March 8
    Nigelb said:

    Russia is already subject to “large-scale banking sanctions.” There is nothing left to sanction Russia with when it comes to their financial sector. This is an empty threat meant to fool the gullible MAGA rubes.
    https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1898028608960000322

    And for international 'pragmatists' to fool themselves that he is being 'neutral' rather than taking a side?

    Just own it if you believe it is good.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,935

    "several federal judges in the Washington DC area had received pizzas sent anonymously to their homes, a gesture that police interpreted as “a form of intimidation meant to convey that a target’s address is known”."

    Guardian

    Any pineapple involved?
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    Tres said:

    where have you been for the past 10 years? we only regained relevance because the US have gone round the twist
    This guy is a post op lobotomy patient
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    .
    Sean_F said:

    Is it wrong to wish that Trump, Vance, Musk, Hegseth, Gabbard, Waltz, and Rubio finish up in front of a firing squad?

    Yes.
    Think about the kind of regime which would probably need to succeed them, for that to happen.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,240
    edited March 8
    Sean_F said:

    1. Accede to Russian territorial demands.

    2. Acknowledge that what is left becomes a Russian satellite.

    3. Agree to let the country be strip-mined by the USA.

    That is the “peace” that Trump is seeking.
    I don’t think even Putin let alone Trump has said western Ukraine can’t join the EU as long as it doesn’t join NATO.

    It is eastern Ukraine Putin wants and in the Crimea, Donbass etc there are many ethnic Russians
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666

    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham
    ·
    2h
    — No10 see an opportunity to dominate the centreground with pragmatic leadership giving the right nowhere to go

    — they know the path ahead is fraught with danger too

    — if it all goes wrong with Trump, internal dissent will be the least of their problems

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1898306483206397971
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,606
    HYUFD said:

    Do they have TVs, internet, cars, phones, alcohol, cigarettes, holidays, meals out etc? If so then their incomes probably cover the basic essentials of food and drink, clothing and accommodation, just the food bank helps them afford relative luxuries
    You might have forgotten that it is increasingly necessary to have a smartphone (at the least) just to deal with DWP - or HMG at all - and that means buying a new one every 3 years or so if it is to be secure at all. Ditto operating the necessary bank account.

    That's under the policies of Conservative administrations (with a little help from the Libs to begin with) over 14 years,.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,508
    HYUFD said:

    No poll forecasts a Reform majority, at most Farage could become PM with Kemi’s support.

    You also forget most Tory voters would prefer Reform in government to another Labour government.

    Left liberals like you may despise Farage but unless you tactically vote Tory in seats where the Tories were first and Reform second at the last general election like mine then your lectures mean nothing. Labour will lose its red wall seats to Reform most likely regardless anyway
    You do know that I wrote a piece saying how Farage can win?

    One of us despises him and is desperately trying to pretend it isn't a threat. And it's not me.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,990
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Yes.
    Think about the kind of regime which would probably need to succeed them, for that to happen.
    The Justice League of America?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,508
    HYUFD said:

    Do they have TVs, internet, cars, phones, alcohol, cigarettes, holidays, meals out etc? If so then their incomes probably cover the basic essentials of food and drink, clothing and accommodation, just the food bank helps them afford relative luxuries
    That was a party political broadcast on behalf of vote for anyone other than the Tories.

    Is it possible for you to be any more disconnected from how people live? Its no wonder you lot are getting reamed by Reform.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    HYUFD said:

    Do they have TVs, internet, cars, phones, alcohol, cigarettes, holidays, meals out etc? If so then their incomes probably cover the basic essentials of food and drink, clothing and accommodation, just the food bank helps them afford relative luxuries
    Again I don't know, but I do know our front-of-shop people aren't pushovers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,240
    spudgfsh said:

    The Tories need a leader that is listening to the voters that the voters will listen to.

    in the last 50 years 4 out of the their 11 leaders can claim this. mostly for only a short period.
    Thatcher until some point after the 1987 election when she stopped listening
    Major until the ERM debacle when people stopped listing to him
    Cameron until Brexit when he quit
    Johnson until it started falling apart at the beginning of 2022

    I'd argue that only Tony Blair has managed it for Labour.
    Kier Starmer, once the lucky general, appears to be doing well enough with the foreign policy for people to start but Rachel from accounts is doing her best to scupper him. Even if he does he'll be well into his 60's by the next election and I'd be surprised if he makes it that far.

    People aren't listening to Badenoch at the moment. that may change but I suspect not.
    They stopped listening to Blair too after Iraq, just the average voter preferred him to IDS and Howard still
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,508

    How would this work with pensions etc?
    What pension? UBI as I've set it pays more than the state pension. Many pensioners are disabled and need further assistance - which I'd have awarded based on medical need rather than income. Otherwise, its a universal income. Everyone gets it, from 18 to 108.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,049

    "Trump thinks it is Yalta"

    I doubt he's ever heard of it frankly.
    He may not have heard of Yalta, but he will have the general principle that USA and Russia are the two great powers, whatever they agree on goes and the little people can FI or FO.

    One of the things MAGA is about is resentment that that isn't really the case now, and practical MAGA is based on the theory that it's a failure of will, rather than the world having changed.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,445
    Nigelb said:

    This applies well beyond YouTube.

    https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8705
    ...In science, it’s obvious to everyone that the burden of proof is on whoever is presenting the new idea—and that this burden is high, especially with anything as well-trodden and skull-strewn as the foundations of quantum mechanics, albeit not infinitely high. The way the game works is: other people try as hard as they can to shoot the new idea down, so we see how it fares under duress. This is not a sign of contempt for new ideas, but of respect for them.

    On YouTube, the situation is precisely reversed. There, anyone perceived as the “mainstream establishment” faces a near-insurmountable burden of proof, while anyone perceived as “renegade” wins by default if they identify any hole whatsoever in mainstream understanding
    . Crucially, the renegade’s own alternative theories are under no particular burden; indeed, the details of their theories are not even that important or relevant...

    Been the story with online climate change contrarianism since the dawn of time. Also seen in creationist circles.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    .
    HYUFD said:

    I don’t think even Putin let alone Trump has said western Ukraine can’t join the EU as long as it doesn’t join NATO.

    It is eastern Ukraine Putin wants and in the Crimea, Donbass etc there are many ethnic Russians
    How does a "de-militarised" "de-nazified" rump Ukraine avoid becoming a Russian puppet? "Denazification" is in fact what Russians call installing a puppet regime.

    These remain Russia's demands.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 770
    HYUFD said:

    No poll forecasts a Reform majority, at most Farage could become PM with Kemi’s support.

    You also forget most Tory voters would prefer Reform in government to another Labour government.

    Left liberals like you may despise Farage but unless you tactically vote Tory in seats where the Tories were first and Reform second at the last general election like mine then your lectures mean nothing. Labour will lose its red wall seats to Reform most likely regardless anyway
    Your views seem entirely based on current opinion polls. Sometimes that's right and means you can actually listen to what people are saying rather than drown it out with your own biases. On this though I think you're wrong. Reform have demonstrated time and time again that they don't have the structure and discipline to break through as a serious party. They massively underperformed their vote share at the last election and I don't see anything that suggests they won't do so again. This whole Rupert Lowe farce just proves this. Farage for all of his skills as a public personality is a terrible party leader who can barely be bothered to fulfil that function. To succeed they need good candidate selection, strong party organisation and a way of turning supporters into activists. I don't see any signs of that whatsoever.
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