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edited March 7 in General
Breaking: Reform – politicalbetting.com

Senior Reform sources say Rupert Lowe was aware of these complaints when he gave incendiary Pierce interview this week attacking Farage. A number of concerns had been raised of late, separately, but credibility of one complainer escalated itNo suspension as of yet however. https://t.co/eWCkeAUxxZ

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015
    That escalated quickly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    fpt

    That Terence McKenna clip, esp at the beginning, is so on point it deserves to be transcribed

    "I think it is just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird, that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. And at that point Novelty Theory can come out of the woods. Because eventually people are going to say 'what the hell is going on, it's just too nuts', it's not enough to say it's nuts, you have to explain WHY it's nuts.

    "I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extra terrestrials, possible human immortality. And at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide, race baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation. Because the systems that are in place to keep the world sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed."

    https://x.com/FrederikNeckar/status/1753170039308427331

    As of now we have

    1. the invention of artificial life

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/15/cambridge-scientists-create-worlds-first-living-organism-with-fully-redesigned-dna

    2. human cloning

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22540374

    3. Extra terrestrial panic, for sure

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress

    4. Human immortality moves closer

    https://medium.com/@david.a.ragland/the-promise-of-longevity-escape-velocity-are-we-on-the-brink-of-reversing-time-2eae526a926b

    I don't think we need links for the brutality, genocide, race baiting, etc


    Terence McKenna gave that interview in 1998, possibly while off his head on shrooms
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988
    Reform: couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of c***s.

    Actually, make that nastier.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461
    DavidL said:

    Isn't amazing how many people who fall out with Farage get into this kind of bother? An unkind person might start to wonder if he is a great judge of character.

    In order to fall out with someone, it is necessary to first fall in with them.

    This leads to consideration of why they fell in with Farage to start with.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
  • Sir Keir Starmer is the luckiest leader in history.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742

    DavidL said:

    Isn't amazing how many people who fall out with Farage get into this kind of bother? An unkind person might start to wonder if he is a great judge of character.

    In order to fall out with someone, it is necessary to first fall in with them.

    This leads to consideration of why they fell in with Farage to start with.
    Well, my guess is that one of them thought that they had a series of beliefs in common and something to work for. The other thought Nigel Farage is a fairly excellent fellow.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,663
    edited March 7
    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,482
    Leon said:

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
    :: sad trombone noises ::
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,656
    edited March 7
    Leon said:

    fpt

    That Terence McKenna clip, esp at the beginning, is so on point it deserves to be transcribed

    "I think it is just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird, that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. And at that point Novelty Theory can come out of the woods. Because eventually people are going to say 'what the hell is going on, it's just too nuts', it's not enough to say it's nuts, you have to explain WHY it's nuts.

    "I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extra terrestrials, possible human immortality. And at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide, race baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation. Because the systems that are in place to keep the world sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed."

    https://x.com/FrederikNeckar/status/1753170039308427331

    As of now we have

    1. the invention of artificial life

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/15/cambridge-scientists-create-worlds-first-living-organism-with-fully-redesigned-dna

    2. human cloning

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22540374

    3. Extra terrestrial panic, for sure

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress

    4. Human immortality moves closer

    https://medium.com/@david.a.ragland/the-promise-of-longevity-escape-velocity-are-we-on-the-brink-of-reversing-time-2eae526a926b

    I don't think we need links for the brutality, genocide, race baiting, etc


    Terence McKenna gave that interview in 1998, possibly while off his head on shrooms

    Keep a balance.

    Artificial life invention is an exaggeration. It is adaptation from original sources. We still have no decent idea how to start it off from raw materials, still less BTW how this could happen by accident.

    Human cloning. Yes. This will happen in time beyond the early embryo stage. Though identical twins are already clones of each other. It's a terrible idea, and people will reject it. Clones will be regarded as being under a curse.

    Extra terrestrials. Zero evidence. (I suspect there aren't any, but I will be in the minority. If there are they are an awfully long way away).

    Human immortality. Even if achieved (it won't be) there is always a way out. The Greeks, IIRC, had a story about living and ageing for ever. horrific thought. Most people know there are lots of worse things than dying.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    edited March 7

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,934

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Are there odds?

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    geoffw said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Are there odds?

    If he has any integrity then he should go
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,934

    geoffw said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Are there odds?

    If he has any integrity then he should go
    Perhaps he's a fighter, not a quitter

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    Leon said:

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
    The problem with the Tory party as a vehicle is that its natural electoral coalition doesn't fit that kind of politics and a lot of the people whose votes you need would be resistant to voting Tory.

    Maybe it's an opportunity for a right-SDP gang of four to create something new and credible: Lowe, Jenrick, Mordaunt (?), Glasman (?). It could then merge with the actual SDP which is confusingly operating in exactly this space at the moment but without any media profile.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,165
    @Leon

    It is true, I didn't Google re. your Atacama pic!

    BUT

    I have a very good memory. Many, many YEARS ago, that pic was your Twitter and PB avatar, and you discussed it on here passim.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,656

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    I think these are the leaks. I am trying, and failing to imagine the depth of Labour fury if the Tories did this.

    While I agree with the main thrust of this, they should also clearly and at the same time increase some taxes on the better off, and get a little bit tough with pensioners by equalising the tax/NI regime and abolishing the triple lock.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-03-07/government-to-make-6bn-welfare-savings-with-benefits-shake-up
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Someone was suggesting Starmer is the luckiest leader in history. But is he that lucky? Getting rid of a walking liability like Miliband would be icing on any cake.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,934
    edited March 7

    Leon said:

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
    The problem with the Tory party as a vehicle is that its natural electoral coalition doesn't fit that kind of politics and a lot of the people whose votes you need would be resistant to voting Tory.

    Maybe it's an opportunity for a right-SDP gang of four to create something new and credible: Lowe, Jenrick, Mordaunt (?), Glasman (?). It could then merge with the actual SDP which is confusingly operating in exactly this space at the moment but without any media profile.
    Rod Liddle plugs them every other week

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Link?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261
    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    fpt

    That Terence McKenna clip, esp at the beginning, is so on point it deserves to be transcribed

    "I think it is just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird, that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. And at that point Novelty Theory can come out of the woods. Because eventually people are going to say 'what the hell is going on, it's just too nuts', it's not enough to say it's nuts, you have to explain WHY it's nuts.

    "I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extra terrestrials, possible human immortality. And at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide, race baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation. Because the systems that are in place to keep the world sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed."

    https://x.com/FrederikNeckar/status/1753170039308427331

    As of now we have

    1. the invention of artificial life

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/15/cambridge-scientists-create-worlds-first-living-organism-with-fully-redesigned-dna

    2. human cloning

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22540374

    3. Extra terrestrial panic, for sure

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress

    4. Human immortality moves closer

    https://medium.com/@david.a.ragland/the-promise-of-longevity-escape-velocity-are-we-on-the-brink-of-reversing-time-2eae526a926b

    I don't think we need links for the brutality, genocide, race baiting, etc


    Terence McKenna gave that interview in 1998, possibly while off his head on shrooms

    Keep a balance.

    Artificial life invention is an exaggeration. It is adaptation from original sources. We still have no decent idea how to start it off from raw materials, still less BTW how this could happen by accident.

    Human cloning. Yes. This will happen in time beyond the early embryo stage. Though identical twins are already clones of each other. It's a terrible idea, and people will reject it. Clones will be regarded as being under a curse.

    Extra terrestrials. Zero evidence. (I suspect there aren't any, but I will be in the minority. If there are they are an awfully long way away).

    Human immortality. Even if achieved (it won't be) there is always a way out. The Greeks, IIRC, had a story about living and ageing for ever. horrific thought. Most people know there are lots of worse things than dying.
    Artificial life is surely just "a life form created by artifice" - artifice in its original meaning = by human effort and with human hands (not relying on evolution)

    We have done that

    "Craig Venter creates synthetic life form

    Craig Venter and his team have built the genome of a bacterium from scratch and incorporated it into a cell to make what they call the world's first synthetic life form"

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form

    As I am not allowed to talk about AI I shall simply say we are very close there, as well
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,854
    So...Rupert Lowe now thinks Farage isn't the messiah, he's a very naughty boy?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,656

    Leon said:

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
    The problem with the Tory party as a vehicle is that its natural electoral coalition doesn't fit that kind of politics and a lot of the people whose votes you need would be resistant to voting Tory.

    Maybe it's an opportunity for a right-SDP gang of four to create something new and credible: Lowe, Jenrick, Mordaunt (?), Glasman (?). It could then merge with the actual SDP which is confusingly operating in exactly this space at the moment but without any media profile.
    I think the acronym for this idea is DOA.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,165

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

    Spacex? :lol:
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,656
    carnforth said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Link?
    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-03-07/government-to-make-6bn-welfare-savings-with-benefits-shake-up
  • Much as I'd love this to be the death of RefUK, this is an example of PB being PB.

    Very few people in the real world know who Rupert Lowe is. Fewer care.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988
    Crufts' judges are being very unadventurous this year. Disappointing. Some interesting examples of minor breeds being overlooked for the big, popular - and safe - breeds.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
    The problem with the Tory party as a vehicle is that its natural electoral coalition doesn't fit that kind of politics and a lot of the people whose votes you need would be resistant to voting Tory.

    Maybe it's an opportunity for a right-SDP gang of four to create something new and credible: Lowe, Jenrick, Mordaunt (?), Glasman (?). It could then merge with the actual SDP which is confusingly operating in exactly this space at the moment but without any media profile.
    I think the acronym for this idea is DOA.
    I quite like the idea of Penny Mordaunt as the Shirley Williams of the right.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    Farage is overplaying his hand because he thinks that Reform's 25% support is a personal vote for him. I can see him getting booed at Reform events after this.

    The problem is Farage is catnip to a lot of voters, but Lowe is popular with the activists

    To me this looks like a potential party-ending clash, and a huge opportunity for the Tories, if they have the good sense to move sharply right and dump Kemi for a Jenrick (or someone like him, that "gets it")
    The problem with the Tory party as a vehicle is that its natural electoral coalition doesn't fit that kind of politics and a lot of the people whose votes you need would be resistant to voting Tory.

    Maybe it's an opportunity for a right-SDP gang of four to create something new and credible: Lowe, Jenrick, Mordaunt (?), Glasman (?). It could then merge with the actual SDP which is confusingly operating in exactly this space at the moment but without any media profile.
    Rod Liddle plugs them every other week

    Not very effectively. I'd love to see a poll that tests what percentage of the voting public even realise the SDP still exists.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866

    Much as I'd love this to be the death of RefUK, this is an example of PB being PB.

    Very few people in the real world know who Rupert Lowe is. Fewer care.

    Indeed. I thought he was Rob Lowe or Rupert Everett, but he seems more like Basil Fawlty, or the far-right cuddly "80s TV personality Norris McWhirter.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    Crufts' judges are being very unadventurous this year. Disappointing. Some interesting examples of minor breeds being overlooked for the big, popular - and safe - breeds.

    Unusually for this site, lots of info about the competitions but no mention of the betting. Don't people bet at Crufts?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,281
    algarkirk said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    I think these are the leaks. I am trying, and failing to imagine the depth of Labour fury if the Tories did this.

    While I agree with the main thrust of this, they should also clearly and at the same time increase some taxes on the better off, and get a little bit tough with pensioners by equalising the tax/NI regime and abolishing the triple lock.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-03-07/government-to-make-6bn-welfare-savings-with-benefits-shake-up
    I don't disagree - the problem is Labour ruled out raising income tax in their manifesto and past history has shown saying something like "read my lips, no new tax rises" and then putting up taxes goes down like a lump of cold sick.

    I agree Starmer didn't need to make that commitment or box his Government into such a corner but he did and breaking that manifesto commitment now would be a millstone he'd be carrying to the next election.

    There is a lot of mileage in cutting welfare because plenty of people who don't get welfare think too much is spent on welfare so we've had the progressive demonisation of "scroungers" and even those on disability. We even hear some on here claiming there are "millions" on welfare who should effectively be forced into work.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    @Leon

    It is true, I didn't Google re. your Atacama pic!

    BUT

    I have a very good memory. Many, many YEARS ago, that pic was your Twitter and PB avatar, and you discussed it on here passim.

    Ah, then I shall reveal all

    On the prior thread others were speculating why this place could be so spooking

    So, here's the answer

    That eerie mining ghost town with the Snoopy and the toys and the crosses is indeed in the Atacama desert, but it is not just in the desert, it is in the driest, most deserty place on earth. A place where it has rained only a few times in 200,000 years

    Such is the aridity of this little zone (subject to a fierce double rain shadow) and the hostility of its soils, it is thought to the the "deathliest" place on the planet, ie the most lifeless, the most sterile. There is very nearly no life here, whereas even in the iceaps of Greenland or Antarctica you can find fairly plentiful microbes and the like, it is much harder to find them here (there are a few if you dig deep). It is THE place on earth which is MOST absent of life, it is the zone of ulimate deadness (which is why I think it should be world famous, and why it is so amazing you can just drive there, and take pictures of Snoopy). NASA goes there to compare it to Mars

    It is called Yungay. I recommend it for all connoisseuers of Extreme Noom. The ambience is intense and menacing

    https://twanight.org/gallery/yungay-the-absolute-desert-on-earth/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141

    Much as I'd love this to be the death of RefUK, this is an example of PB being PB.

    Very few people in the real world know who Rupert Lowe is. Fewer care.

    On the other hand the media landscape is quite different now with GB News and social media, so it will probably cut through with their voters more than you might expect.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505
    The Reform People’s Front are at war with the People’s Front of Reform.

    Whatever happened to the Popular Front? He’s over there - SPLITTER!!!
  • Much as I'd love this to be the death of RefUK, this is an example of PB being PB.

    Very few people in the real world know who Rupert Lowe is. Fewer care.

    On the other hand the media landscape is quite different now with GB News and social media, so it will probably cut through with their voters more than you might expect.
    You're kind of proving my point. People who watch GBBeebies and hang about on Twatter think it's normal. They are wrong.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?

    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    Leon said:

    fpt

    That Terence McKenna clip, esp at the beginning, is so on point it deserves to be transcribed

    "I think it is just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird, that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. And at that point Novelty Theory can come out of the woods. Because eventually people are going to say 'what the hell is going on, it's just too nuts', it's not enough to say it's nuts, you have to explain WHY it's nuts.

    "I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extra terrestrials, possible human immortality. And at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide, race baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation. Because the systems that are in place to keep the world sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed."

    https://x.com/FrederikNeckar/status/1753170039308427331

    As of now we have

    1. the invention of artificial life

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/15/cambridge-scientists-create-worlds-first-living-organism-with-fully-redesigned-dna

    2. human cloning

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22540374

    3. Extra terrestrial panic, for sure

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress

    4. Human immortality moves closer

    https://medium.com/@david.a.ragland/the-promise-of-longevity-escape-velocity-are-we-on-the-brink-of-reversing-time-2eae526a926b

    I don't think we need links for the brutality, genocide, race baiting, etc



    Terence McKenna gave that interview in 1998, possibly while off his head on shrooms

    No one had better tell you about the Monster Raving Loony Party

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/usvsth3m/7-monster-raving-loony-party-5644717
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988
    edited March 7

    The Reform People’s Front are at war with the People’s Front of Reform.

    Whatever happened to the Popular Front? He’s over there - SPLITTER!!!

    What's the chances they have to, ahem, reform?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    The Reform People’s Front are at war with the People’s Front of Reform.

    Whatever happened to the Popular Front? He’s over there - SPLITTER!!!

    What's the chances they have to, ahem, reform?
    A few years ago a new political party had a load of MPs. They had a load of interest, and briefly looked to be filling an obvious gap in our politics. Then personal ambition tore them apart.

    And here we are again. Change Reform UK.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    On topic:


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    20m
    No-one who follows politics closely enough to know who Rupert Lowe is is going to regard these allegations as anything other than a naked hit-job to try to discredit him as a "tallest poppy" - not cos of knowing anything about Lowe. It just seems obvious & Reform looks a joke.

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1898115856288125306
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866
    As per the last thread, I must say the more I look at Vance, the more worrying the future of America looks.

    Look at Thiel, Musk and Vance's seeming mentor. He says fhat "democracy and freedom are incompatible. Then you have other figures like Andreesen and Nick Land, in a cluster of techno-supremacists. Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin are perhaps the two most worrying intellectual influences on Musk and Vance of all, as explicit anti-democrats.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141

    Much as I'd love this to be the death of RefUK, this is an example of PB being PB.

    Very few people in the real world know who Rupert Lowe is. Fewer care.

    On the other hand the media landscape is quite different now with GB News and social media, so it will probably cut through with their voters more than you might expect.
    You're kind of proving my point. People who watch GBBeebies and hang about on Twatter think it's normal. They are wrong.
    GB News overtaking Sky News in average viewership is fairly significant.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054
    DavidL said:

    Isn't amazing how many people who fall out with Farage get into this kind of bother? An unkind person might start to wonder if he is a great judge of character.

    The thing that "amazes" me is how many populist right-wing politicians (MAGA, Reform etc.) turn out to be pieces of shit as people. It's almost as if a political "theory" that bases itself on lying and denigrating others attracts a certain type.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    edited March 7
    Blimey, it's only last week that we had a PB header on How Reform Can Win the Election.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/02/26/how-reform-can-win-the-general-election/

    A week is indeed a long time in politics.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,439

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...

    Not the only thing looking doomed with the Earth yet again seeing the hottest start to a year on record despite a La Niña and global sea ice cover yet again crashing to record lows.

    But I appreciate worrying about climate change is a bit late 2010s and is now unfashionable.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,281
    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,672

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...

    Fingers crossed, £22bn is 8-12 new boats/subs or 100+ fighter jets or a bunch of tanks and amphibious transports.

    £22bn for carbon capture is a gigantic piss away of money.
  • stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Labour has been consistently up 2 or 3 points this week.

    Given an election campaign they'll be back up above 30% no trouble. I still think the odds of their re-election are strangely underpriced.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Obviously with Reform imploding the Tories will soon be on 46%.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,439
    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Reform is defying gravity given the last week’s goings on. Or, the pro-Putin forces of British opinion are coalescing around a single platform.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054
    geoffw said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Are there odds?

    I can't see a current next Cabinet member to leave market.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    Leon said:

    @Leon

    It is true, I didn't Google re. your Atacama pic!

    BUT

    I have a very good memory. Many, many YEARS ago, that pic was your Twitter and PB avatar, and you discussed it on here passim.

    Ah, then I shall reveal all

    On the prior thread others were speculating why this place could be so spooking

    So, here's the answer

    That eerie mining ghost town with the Snoopy and the toys and the crosses is indeed in the Atacama desert, but it is not just in the desert, it is in the driest, most deserty place on earth. A place where it has rained only a few times in 200,000 years

    Such is the aridity of this little zone (subject to a fierce double rain shadow) and the hostility of its soils, it is thought to the the "deathliest" place on the planet, ie the most lifeless, the most sterile. There is very nearly no life here, whereas even in the iceaps of Greenland or Antarctica you can find fairly plentiful microbes and the like, it is much harder to find them here (there are a few if you dig deep). It is THE place on earth which is MOST absent of life, it is the zone of ulimate deadness (which is why I think it should be world famous, and why it is so amazing you can just drive there, and take pictures of Snoopy). NASA goes there to compare it to Mars

    It is called Yungay. I recommend it for all connoisseuers of Extreme Noom. The ambience is intense and menacing

    https://twanight.org/gallery/yungay-the-absolute-desert-on-earth/
    Do you have a What3Words location?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    The Reform People’s Front are at war with the People’s Front of Reform.

    Whatever happened to the Popular Front? He’s over there - SPLITTER!!!

    In front of me I saw - two Fukkers.

    But these Fukkers were Farage and Lowe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Obviously with Reform imploding the Tories will soon be on 46%.
    Farage is on 100%.

    Well, something very high proof, anyway.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,672
    Good to see Labour addressing the PIP, they need to go much further though and rework it completely. Too many people are off "sick" seemingly permanently and the cost of the PIP will eventually bankrupt the nation.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,934
    ydoethur said:

    The Reform People’s Front are at war with the People’s Front of Reform.

    Whatever happened to the Popular Front? He’s over there - SPLITTER!!!

    In front of me I saw - two Fukkers.

    But these Fukkers were Farage and Lowe.
    Was it Fokkers at 4 o'clock?
    (Where's Biggles when you need him?)

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    The revolution will eat itself latest. MAGA turns on Trump appointed Supreme Court justice as she occasionally strays from ultra MAGA line of nothing is anything nor exists but The Donald.




    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-supreme-court-judge-amy-coney-barrett-maga-13323251?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370
    edited March 7
    MaxPB said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
    Fingers crossed, £22bn is 8-12 new boats/subs or 100+ fighter jets or a bunch of tanks and amphibious transports.

    £22bn for carbon capture is a gigantic piss away of money.

    Big things can happen quickly. The EU has gone from not having shared debt to issuing a "once-only" €800m for covid to planning another €800m for defence. I wonder what the next one will be...

    (Vanilla screwed up the blockquoting.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon

    It is true, I didn't Google re. your Atacama pic!

    BUT

    I have a very good memory. Many, many YEARS ago, that pic was your Twitter and PB avatar, and you discussed it on here passim.

    Ah, then I shall reveal all

    On the prior thread others were speculating why this place could be so spooking

    So, here's the answer

    That eerie mining ghost town with the Snoopy and the toys and the crosses is indeed in the Atacama desert, but it is not just in the desert, it is in the driest, most deserty place on earth. A place where it has rained only a few times in 200,000 years

    Such is the aridity of this little zone (subject to a fierce double rain shadow) and the hostility of its soils, it is thought to the the "deathliest" place on the planet, ie the most lifeless, the most sterile. There is very nearly no life here, whereas even in the iceaps of Greenland or Antarctica you can find fairly plentiful microbes and the like, it is much harder to find them here (there are a few if you dig deep). It is THE place on earth which is MOST absent of life, it is the zone of ulimate deadness (which is why I think it should be world famous, and why it is so amazing you can just drive there, and take pictures of Snoopy). NASA goes there to compare it to Mars

    It is called Yungay. I recommend it for all connoisseuers of Extreme Noom. The ambience is intense and menacing

    https://twanight.org/gallery/yungay-the-absolute-desert-on-earth/
    Do you have a What3Words location?
    Brilliantly, yes

    ///premixed.wide.refer
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Go on Conservatives! You can do it! Get to under 20%! It would be a historic achievement!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,558

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Labour remembering that it is the party of workers, not the party of the workshy.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054

    The revolution will eat itself latest. MAGA turns on Trump appointed Supreme Court justice as she occasionally strays from ultra MAGA line of nothing is anything nor exists but The Donald.

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-supreme-court-judge-amy-coney-barrett-maga-13323251?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "Staunch conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett was appointed to America's highest court by Mr Trump in 2020 and has voted for major rulings, including striking down abortion rights."

    That's the problem there. She is a staunch conservative. She believes in basic conservative values. Trump is not a conservative: he is tearing up the system.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    carnforth said:

    MaxPB said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
    Fingers crossed, £22bn is 8-12 new boats/subs or 100+ fighter jets or a bunch of tanks and amphibious transports.

    £22bn for carbon capture is a gigantic piss away of money.
    Big things can happen quickly. The EU has gone from not having shared debt to issuing a "once-only" €800m for covid to planning another €800m for defence. I wonder what the next one will be...

    (Vanilla screwed up the blockquoting.)

    Billions even ?
  • Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Labour remembering that it is the party of workers, not the party of the workshy.
    I definitely get the sense that over the last month or so, McSweeney has finally got control over the party and is putting forward some proper "traditional" Labour flare.

    Sir Keir seems to have grown into the role - like he did LOTO - and seems to have found the right place to pitch Labour.

    Still unsure about the whole vision thing but I think they've got Wes Streeting basically doing that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 7
    TimS said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
    Not the only thing looking doomed with the Earth yet again seeing the hottest start to a year on record despite a La Niña and global sea ice cover yet again crashing to record lows.

    But I appreciate worrying about climate change is a bit late 2010s and is now unfashionable.

    ++++

    What's your beef?

    You have a vineyard fit for English Fizz in Dorset. Climate change is your best buddy
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...

    If so, good. Carbon-capture is expensive, doesn't work, and makes things worse. Over 20 billion is too much. Over 20 pence would be too much. Nuke it from orbit just to be sure.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,663
    edited March 7
    viewcode said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Go on Conservatives! You can do it! Get to under 20%! It would be a historic achievement!
    That is a truly appalling poll for the Tories and dare I say quite good for Labour despite their unpopularity.

    I am also intrigued that the roars about the WFA cut seem to have blown over. Winter is over and I am not aware of any dead pensioner headlines. Labour seem to have weathered the storm?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    viewcode said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Go on Conservatives! You can do it! Get to under 20%! It would be a historic achievement!
    18% on the 5th Feb by find out now
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    TimS said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Reform is defying gravity given the last week’s goings on. Or, the pro-Putin forces of British opinion are coalescing around a single platform.
    I suspect it's more that the majority of voters have not yet cottoned on that Reform = pro-Trump = pro-Putin.

    That message will filter through in time though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    edited March 7
    viewcode said:



    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...

    If so, good. Carbon-capture is expensive, doesn't work, and makes things worse. Over 20 billion is too much. Over 20 pence would be too much. Nuke it from orbit just to be sure.
    Or give it to Elon Musk.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Labour remembering that it is the party of workers, not the party of the workshy.
    I definitely get the sense that over the last month or so, McSweeney has finally got control over the party and is putting forward some proper "traditional" Labour flare.

    Sir Keir seems to have grown into the role - like he did LOTO - and seems to have found the right place to pitch Labour.

    Still unsure about the whole vision thing but I think they've got Wes Streeting basically doing that.
    How can you possibly support Corbyn - which you did - and now eagerly cheerlead for Starmer who is swiftly turning into the most rightwing (cut welfare, boost defence, love Trump) prime minister in Labour's recent history?

    I get that we are all chameleons. I voted for Labour FFS. But I briskly recanted. Yet you seem to genuinely believe in each incarnation of yourself
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275

    As per the last thread, I must say the more I look at Vance, the more worrying the future of America looks.

    Look at Thiel, Musk and Vance's seeming mentor. He says fhat "democracy and freedom are incompatible. Then you have other figures like Andreesen and Nick Land, in a cluster of techno-supremacists. Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin are perhaps the two most worrying intellectual influences on Musk and Vance of all, as explicit anti-democrats.

    He means that democracy for the 99% is incompatible with freedom for the 1%.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777

    viewcode said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if someone has already referenced the weekly Techne poll:

    Labour: 28% (+2)
    Reform: 25% (nc)
    Conservative: 21% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat: 13% (nc)
    Greens: 7% (-1)

    No significant changes though the headline extends Labour's lead over Reform to three points.

    Go on Conservatives! You can do it! Get to under 20%! It would be a historic achievement!
    That is a truly appalling poll for the Tories and dare I say quite good for Labour despite their unpopularity.

    I am also intrigued that the roars about the WFA cut seem to have blown over. Winter is over and I am not aware of any dead pensioner headlines. Labour seem to have weathered the storm?
    The only thing that has changed is that Starmer is performing well in the present crisis and is benefiting from that

    The fundamentals in the economy are truely dreadful and the increases in council tax, energy, broadband, mobile and water charges are eye watering and now billions upon billions on defence spending is needed

    There were, and remain many frightened pensioners and it is beyond complacent to think Labour have weathered the storm which is yet to come

    Every day Trump makes idiotic choices with unknown consequences and it is anyone's guess how this plays out in politics going forward
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742
    edited March 7
    TimS said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
    Not the only thing looking doomed with the Earth yet again seeing the hottest start to a year on record despite a La Niña and global sea ice cover yet again crashing to record lows.

    But I appreciate worrying about climate change is a bit late 2010s and is now unfashionable.


    Not sure what has happened to the blockquote there but my comment starts here.
    It is just an insane waste of money that would make the underlying economic activity completely pointless, indeed expensive. Abandoning this stupidity is about as close to a no brainer as we are likely to find.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    I imagined you would have to proffer some derogatory, discriminatory comments in order to get accepted into Reform. Is that not right?
  • Frankly I think Labour was absolutely right to level the playing field after we spent the last 14 years handing pensioners every penny on a platter. Time to suffer like the rest of us have.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    https://x.com/skynews/status/1898124977355784439

    Gene Hackman's wife died from a rare infectious disease around a week before the actor died, medical investigators have said.

    Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's and died from heart disease.
  • DavidL said:

    Not sure what has happened to the blockquote there but my comment starts here.
    It is just an insane waste of money that would make the underlying economic activity completely pointless, indeed expensive. Abandoning this stupidity is about as close to a no brainer as we are likely to find.

    There you go, I fixed it for you. Does nobody here have even basic computer skills?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    edited March 7

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1898124977355784439

    Gene Hackman's wife died from a rare infectious disease around a week before the actor died, medical investigators have said.

    Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's and died from heart disease.

    Oh. How sad. :(
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777

    Frankly I think Labour was absolutely right to level the playing field after we spent the last 14 years handing pensioners every penny on a platter. Time to suffer like the rest of us have.

    You do know it is Labour who have committed to the triple lock for the rest of this parliament

    As stupid as their manifesto commitment on tax

    At least the conservatives have questioned the triple lock
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    Timothy Snyder
    @TimothyDSnyder

    Curious that all the places Trump wants to annex would be geographically convenient for a Russian partner in annexation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    The revolution will eat itself latest. MAGA turns on Trump appointed Supreme Court justice as she occasionally strays from ultra MAGA line of nothing is anything nor exists but The Donald.

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-supreme-court-judge-amy-coney-barrett-maga-13323251?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "Staunch conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett was appointed to America's highest court by Mr Trump in 2020 and has voted for major rulings, including striking down abortion rights."

    That's the problem there. She is a staunch conservative. She believes in basic conservative values. Trump is not a conservative: he is tearing up the system.
    Many in the GOP used to believe in conservative values but no longer do. The Justices should be more immune to giving over everything to Trump because they will be there after him and have more chances to pursue their own political objectives over the coming decades. I imagine mostly that aligns with Trump, but it shouldn't always do so. As political operators they shouldn't feel the need to be personally loyal to Trump the way he thinks they should.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141

    Timothy Snyder
    @TimothyDSnyder

    Curious that all the places Trump wants to annex would be geographically convenient for a Russian partner in annexation.

    A pointless comment. Would wanting to annex Baja California be less convenient for Russia?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1898124977355784439

    Gene Hackman's wife died from a rare infectious disease around a week before the actor died, medical investigators have said.

    Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's and died from heart disease.

    I get it says they lived a private life, but as rich as they must have been no-one like a maid or carer support was scheduled to be there for over a week? Extremely private I guess.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,835
    edited March 7
    viewcode said:

    >

    If so, good. Carbon-capture is expensive, doesn't work, and makes things worse. Over 20 billion is too much. Over 20 pence would be too much. Nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

    I would be happy for the government to spend 20 pence on CCS.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,439
    edited March 7
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
    Not the only thing looking doomed with the Earth yet again seeing the hottest start to a year on record despite a La Niña and global sea ice cover yet again crashing to record lows.

    But I appreciate worrying about climate change is a bit late 2010s and is now unfashionable.

    ++++

    What's your beef?

    You have a vineyard fit for English Fizz in Dorset. Climate change is your best buddy
    Kent. My friend (and it very much is) is the world’s nemesis.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866

    As per the last thread, I must say the more I look at Vance, the more worrying the future of America looks.

    Look at Thiel, Musk and Vance's seeming mentor. He says fhat "democracy and freedom are incompatible. Then you have other figures like Andreesen and Nick Land, in a cluster of techno-supremacists. Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin are perhaps the two most worrying intellectual influences on Musk and Vance of all, as explicit anti-democrats.

    He means that democracy for the 99% is incompatible with freedom for the 1%.
    Indeed. We really are in the age where tech billionaires think they are gods.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370

    carnforth said:

    MaxPB said:

    Details of Labour’s cuts to welfare have been leaked.

    Will go down badly with the faithful but I suspect but will be more popular with the country at large.

    Also cuts to GB Energy and changes to EV policies

    With the third Heathrow runway and Starmer in favour of the two oil fields currently held up, when will Miliband resign ?
    Those carbon capture billions must be looking pretty doomed...
    Fingers crossed, £22bn is 8-12 new boats/subs or 100+ fighter jets or a bunch of tanks and amphibious transports.

    £22bn for carbon capture is a gigantic piss away of money.
    Big things can happen quickly. The EU has gone from not having shared debt to issuing a "once-only" €800m for covid to planning another €800m for defence. I wonder what the next one will be...

    (Vanilla screwed up the blockquoting.)
    Billions even ?

    Ok, I can't blame that one on Vanilla.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    As per the last thread, I must say the more I look at Vance, the more worrying the future of America looks.

    Look at Thiel, Musk and Vance's seeming mentor. He says fhat "democracy and freedom are incompatible. Then you have other figures like Andreesen and Nick Land, in a cluster of techno-supremacists. Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin are perhaps the two most worrying intellectual influences on Musk and Vance of all, as explicit anti-democrats.

    He means that democracy for the 99% is incompatible with freedom for the 1%.
    Indeed. We really are in the age where tech billionaires think they are gods.
    In much the same way autocrats in places like China probably read dystopian fiction and use it as a manual, the techbros read cautionary tales about the excesses of corporation run futures and AIs controlling human civilization and decide 'Yes, that sounds great'.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,934
     

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1898124977355784439

    Gene Hackman's wife died from a rare infectious disease around a week before the actor died, medical investigators have said.

    Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's and died from heart disease.

    In an interview with Empire in 2020, he said he enjoyed watching DVDs that Arakawa rented.

    Hackman said: 'We like simple stories that some of the little low-budget films manage to produce.

    'Friday night is set aside for a Comedy Channel marathon, with particular attention paid to Eddie Izzard. The speed of thought is amazing.'

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    >

    If so, good. Carbon-capture is expensive, doesn't work, and makes things worse. Over 20 billion is too much. Over 20 pence would be too much. Nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

    I would be happy for the government to spend 20 pence on CCS.
    It'll buy a shoebox to bury it in. Next to the budgie. :)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    edited March 7
    kle4 said:

    As per the last thread, I must say the more I look at Vance, the more worrying the future of America looks.

    Look at Thiel, Musk and Vance's seeming mentor. He says fhat "democracy and freedom are incompatible. Then you have other figures like Andreesen and Nick Land, in a cluster of techno-supremacists. Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin are perhaps the two most worrying intellectual influences on Musk and Vance of all, as explicit anti-democrats.

    He means that democracy for the 99% is incompatible with freedom for the 1%.
    Indeed. We really are in the age where tech billionaires think they are gods.
    In much the same way autocrats in places like China probably read dystopian fiction and use it as a manual, the techbros read cautionary tales about the excesses of corporation run futures and AIs controlling human civilization and decide 'Yes, that sounds great'.
    "Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel "Don't Create The Torment Nexus""
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

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    If so, good. Carbon-capture is expensive, doesn't work, and makes things worse. Over 20 billion is too much. Over 20 pence would be too much. Nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

    I would be happy for the government to spend 20 pence on CCS.
    It'll buy a shoebox to bury it in. Next to the budgie. :)
    As a founding member of the Royal Society For The Protection Of Funerary Arrangements For Ornamental Avians, I must protest….
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