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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    https://x.com/afpost/status/1893061259160912083

    Kash Patel sworn in as FBI Director on the Bhagavad Gita instead of the Bible.
    I believe Tulsi Gabbard isn't white either.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    dixiedean said:

    I've just watched him set a new world record for spouting stream of consciousness, non-sequitur bollocks.
    That, and being an longstanding crook and sex pest means he'll need plenty of downtime.
    He should post on PB, he'd fit right in.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Carnyx said:

    Sure, but that was him not you.
    What the actual fuck are you talking about?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Farming is the most heavily subsidised industry going. If the same approach had been taken in other sectors, we'd still have a steelworks in Consett and shipyards on the Tyne.
    Quite, except that it's been conspicuously screwed up in the last 10 years or so. Brexit at one end and supermarkets at the other. IHT is just a displacement activity/mendacious excuse for those who have piled in for land investment reasons.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,059

    I'm starting to feel slightly more optimistic.

    The levels of overreach from AfD's american branch and its own pet teen nazis are going to cause a reaction.

    America is better than this and the fight back will begin soon.
    I’m not convinced - I’ve been reading the NYT and Wapo etc and there are well meaning editorials and the comments are generally against what Trump is doing but there just seems to be inertia - it’s clear that the “opposition” was and is feeling totally defeated.

    I don’t think enough Americans have really yet absorbed how many federal employees have been sacked. Not enough care that their president has done a mafia shakedown of a country that’s been brutalised.

    It’s going to take things ordinary Americans love to go pear shaped before trump starts feeling a backlash. He will inevitably blame it on Musk who will blame it on trump but by then so much damage will be done.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    edited February 22

    Farming is the most heavily subsidised industry going. If the same approach had been taken in other sectors, we'd still have a steelworks in Consett and shipyards on the Tyne.
    Farming is less subsidised in the UK than the French, Germans and Americans subsidise their farmers and our government has clobbered family farms with inheritance tax now too.

    We still do have steel works in Port Talbot and Scunthorpe, indeed Tata Steel Port Talbot received a £500 million government subsidy last year

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9rd54dk24o

    I agree we need more shipyards too, not least due to our now tiny navy in an increasingly dangerous world
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,881

    He should post on PB, he'd fit right in.
    Too wordy.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    What the actual fuck are you talking about?
    Just that arterial plaque isn't mainly calcium - though there is such a thing as calcification later on. Whereas dental tartar is mainly calcium salts. Just wondering if that was a helpful clarification. Evidently not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,107
    edited February 22
    boulay said:

    I’m not convinced - I’ve been reading the NYT and Wapo etc and there are well meaning editorials and the comments are generally against what Trump is doing but there just seems to be inertia - it’s clear that the “opposition” was and is feeling totally defeated.

    I don’t think enough Americans have really yet absorbed how many federal employees have been sacked. Not enough care that their president has done a mafia shakedown of a country that’s been brutalised.

    It’s going to take things ordinary Americans love to go pear shaped before trump starts feeling a backlash. He will inevitably blame it on Musk who will blame it on trump but by then so much damage will be done.
    Don't get me wrong. There's a hell of a lot of damage to come. But what looks likely now is sacking maybe 50% of entire federal workforce, maybe even 75% which was what Muskovic did iirc at Twitter.

    Loads of stuff is gonna stop working.

    The fight back will begin.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited February 22
    Carnyx said:

    Just that arterial plaque isn't mainly calcium - though there is such a thing as calcification later on. Whereas dental tartar is mainly calcium salts. Just wondering if that was a helpful clarification. Evidently not.
    No, it is not helpful, and you can take your opinion up with 'The Cleveland Clinic' as per Tim's link, which evidently you didn’t read, but says the following:
    What is an atheroma made of?
    Atheromas are made of many substances that circulate in your blood. These include:

    Blood cells.
    Calcium.
    Cholesterol and other fats.
    Inflammatory cells.
    Proteins.
    Calcium is a substance that hardens the atheroma. That’s why people with plaque buildup are known to have “hardening of the arteries.”

    Not for the first time, your wish to make other people look foolish is sadly not matched by your actual knowledge on the subject.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    Leon said:

    England did not deserve that

    Nonsense. Scotland missed 3 conversions. Not good enough.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    Well unless you work for a nationalised industry or the state, earn minimum wage or live in state provided housing not a huge amount the government can do about that given the global rise in prices and cost of living since the Ukraine war and Covid and now with Trump's tariffs coming along too. Even council tax is the council's responsibility.

    Though they could maybe do more to support our farmers to reduce food prices and 'drill baby drill' to increase energy supplies. Plenty of votes have been cast in protest for Corbyn and now for Farage, it doesn't mean they have the answers either
    Really do fuck off,government policies have led to the bottom 50% being in this situation and frankly the tories and labour and all politicians can fuck right off. They govern for the interests of people like them and dont give a shit about the rest of us and they wont till we say enough and start dragging them out into to the street
  • boulay said:

    I’m not convinced - I’ve been reading the NYT and Wapo etc and there are well meaning editorials and the comments are generally against what Trump is doing but there just seems to be inertia - it’s clear that the “opposition” was and is feeling totally defeated.

    I don’t think enough Americans have really yet absorbed how many federal employees have been sacked. Not enough care that their president has done a mafia shakedown of a country that’s been brutalised.

    It’s going to take things ordinary Americans love to go pear shaped before trump starts feeling a backlash. He will inevitably blame it on Musk who will blame it on trump but by then so much damage will be done.
    The opposition is defeated currently, they should feel that way. That's the thing with America's democracy, they absorb the election results and don't go immediately for a new Leader of the Opposition or have an ongoing Opposition like we do.

    But next year is an election year, already. That's the other funny thing with America. By this time next year, the opposition should be picking up their socks and working to win the midterms.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695

    Don't get me wrong. There's a hell of a lot of damage to come. But what looks likely now is sacking maybe 50% of entire federal workforce, maybe even 75% which was what Muskovic did iirc at Twitter.

    Loads of stuff is gonna stop working.

    The fight back will begin.
    The markets haven’t reacted yet though. That’s where tariff policy may have a more immediate impact on confidence than DOGE shenanigans.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,617
    HYUFD said:

    Farming is less subsidised in the UK than the French, Germans and Americans subsidise their farmers and our government has clobbered family farms with inheritance tax now too.

    We still do have steel works in Port Talbot and Scunthorpe, indeed Tata Steel Port Talbot received a £500 million government subsidy last year

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9rd54dk24o

    I agree we need more shipyards too, not least due to our now tiny navy in an increasingly dangerous world
    Interesting facts that don't disprove the point I made.

    And slightly going off at a tangent, why does the government just throw money out in subsidies, rather than wanting a share of the asset for its investment? Same with CCS. £22 billion, and after 10 years the taxpayer owns nothing.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,572

    He should post on PB, he'd fit right in.
    I know Casino got a little hot under the collar whilst at Centerparcs but that's taking it a little far, surely?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    dixiedean said:

    Too wordy.
    I don't know, Trump can be pretty wordy too.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,836
    Pagan2 said:

    We won't have a government of national unity within a year because there is no national unity frankly.....there are people like most on here that are ok and thinking the status quo is just dandy....then there is people like me who rent and dont see our pay rising and about to start tearing things down frankly.... my pay rise this year 1%, my power bill up 10% my water up 10% my council tax up 5% rent up 12% food prices up by more than 1% story of the last quarter decade.......where are we going to find national unity when most politicians come from a class that never suffered that and most middle classes like here don't either?
    All fair points. A GNU is a name rather than a description of how unified the huddled masses are. Like 'European Union' or 'United Kingdom of GB and NI' or indeed our old unity loving friends the 'USA'. Who are the problem. The possibility of a GNU within a year arises not out of national harmony and wealth for all but thus - or something like it: Coup in USA (it's just started); Russia in control of Ukraine; Hungary and Slovakia are compliant; italy is Italy; Spain hopes it is far enough away; EU recalls just too late that it has a currency and an anthem but no defence policy; Russia + Belarus + puppet Ukraine attack one of Baltic states or Poland; USA stands idly by; France, Germany and UK form alliance of the willing and declare war. Bingo. Matt cartoon of dad's army rolling up the map of Europe and hapless bloke saying 'Not Another One'; blokes in suits put the lights out in the chancelleries of Europe. GNU. Hope I'm wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565

    Interesting facts that don't disprove the point I made.

    And slightly going off at a tangent, why does the government just throw money out in subsidies, rather than wanting a share of the asset for its investment? Same with CCS. £22 billion, and after 10 years the taxpayer owns nothing.
    Very much they do, we need to subsidise our farmers more and indeed should subsidise core steel and shipyard industries too.

    It is the production that comes out of it that delivers for the taxpayer, they don't need to be all nationalised
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084

    I don't know, Trump can be pretty wordy too.
    He's more look and weep than Look and Read.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695
    edited February 22

    No, it is not helpful, and you can take your opinion up with 'The Cleveland Clinic' as per Tim's link, which evidently you didn’t read, but says the following:

    Not for the first time, your wish to make other people look foolish is sadly not matched by your actual knowledge on the subject.
    This is a needless argument. Atheroma is caused by high cholesterol and fatty matter in the arteries. It is hardened by calcium, which precipitates out in the same way it does
    around blockages in drains.

    It’s one of the more directly fat-caused conditions out there but is still different from the build up of subcutaneous fat. I could get atheroma from high cholesterol despite being skinny, for example.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Foxy said:

    We won't have a government of national unity for the simple and obvious reason that Starmer has a huge parliamentary majority for the next 4 1/2 years.

    You must be in a uniquely moribund line of work, as for the last year private sector mean wages have had bigger rises than either the public sector or inflation.
    Yeah I am a software engineer.....apparently a thing in short supply so we have to offer visas.....no not a moribund career.....now if you show me a average private sector pay rise where you cut out the forced one via min wage and director payrises maybe we can talk....I know people in all sorts of sectors and every year we hear private sector pay had this percentage rise.....funny none of the people I know ever get that much
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,436
    TimS said:

    The markets haven’t reacted yet though. That’s where tariff policy may have a more immediate impact on confidence than DOGE shenanigans.
    I'd love to know what the Dems in the US are doing for opposition because the only dissenting voices are influencers and podcasters.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,231
    Winchy said:

    What makes you think there won't be similar investment opportunities on the eastern side of the ceasefire line? It's quite possible some of the money invested will come from outside the region too. [*] Perhaps from China. Perhaps from the USA or Germany - who knows? Money has no smell.

    * Although probably not from Wales, as in Donetsk which was known as Hughesovka from its foundation until 1924:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hughes_(businessman)

    There is probably a good Millwall joke here somewhere.

    The eastern side of the ceasefire line might not be prepared to roll over to Trump's terms.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    edited February 22
    Pagan2 said:

    Really do fuck off,government policies have led to the bottom 50% being in this situation and frankly the tories and labour and all politicians can fuck right off. They govern for the interests of people like them and dont give a shit about the rest of us and they wont till we say enough and start dragging them out into to the street
    Really? Go back 150-200 years there was no NHS, no minimum wage, no social housing, no unemployment benefits, no state pension etc. Your ancestors really were left to the mercy of the market then with at most a bit of poor relief or the workhouse and the odd alms house and church soup kitchen for support.

    This government I would also remind you was elected, given you couldn't even be bothered to vote in that election why on earth should we care what your opinion is of it and the previous government it defeated anyway?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,612
    TimS said:

    The markets haven’t reacted yet though. That’s where tariff policy may have a more immediate impact on confidence than DOGE shenanigans.
    I think inflation is probably the thing that will do for Trump. So many of his policies are inflationary, and once/if he starts ordering the Fed to cut interest rates things can get out of control.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,946
    edited February 22

    Don't get me wrong. There's a hell of a lot of damage to come. But what looks likely now is sacking maybe 50% of entire federal workforce, maybe even 75% which was what Muskovic did iirc at Twitter.

    Loads of stuff is gonna stop working.

    The fight back will begin.
    I hope those who were fired and voted Trump are proud of themselves ! The Dems need to let the whole thing play out . Trying to save the ungrateful from themselves hasn’t worked in the past . Only a good dose of misery inflicted by Trump might wake them up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,107

    I'd love to know what the Dems in the US are doing for opposition because the only dissenting voices are influencers and podcasters.
    Bernie is starting a resistance tour of town hall meeting I believe.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    Pagan2 said:

    Yeah I am a software engineer.....apparently a thing in short supply so we have to offer visas.....no not a moribund career.....now if you show me a average private sector pay rise where you cut out the forced one via min wage and director payrises maybe we can talk....I know people in all sorts of sectors and every year we hear private sector pay had this percentage rise.....funny none of the people I know ever get that much
    And you expect the government to massively increase pay for private sector software engineers how? All they can do is tax you less if you earn above minimum wage
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    Really? Go back 150-200 years there was no NHS, no minimum wage, no social housing, no unemployment benefits, no state pension etc. Your ancestors really were left to the mercy of the market then with at most a bit of poor relief or the workhouse and the odd alms house and church soup kitchen for support.

    This government I would also remind you was elected, given you couldn't even be bothered to vote in that election why on earth should we care what your opinion is of it and the previous government it defeated anyway?
    I think the NHS was a regrettable development.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,059

    Don't get me wrong. There's a hell of a lot of damage to come. But what looks likely now is sacking maybe 50% of entire federal workforce, maybe even 75% which was what Muskovic did iirc at Twitter.

    Loads of stuff is gonna stop working.

    The fight back will begin.
    It’s not just the fight back that’s necessary, it needs his supporters to feel disillusioned and not support him. It needs multiple equivalents of the hunters and outdoorsmen who use the national parks to find the parks unmanaged and their prey scared off by thousands of unmanaged visitors because all the parks staff have gone.

    It will take a long time for the knock on effects to come through. When everyone knows someone who has lost their job and then they see Musk behaving like a douche and the papers announcing his wealth it will start to grate.

    There is that scene in The Hunt for Red October where the chap on the bad sub turns round to the captain as their own torpedo is about to hit them and says “you arrogant ass, you’ve killed us” - there will be a point where Trump and Musk are saying it to each other - let’s just hope that too much damage is not done by then.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,946
    rkrkrk said:

    I think inflation is probably the thing that will do for Trump. So many of his policies are inflationary, and once/if he starts ordering the Fed to cut interest rates things can get out of control.
    They’ve got that covered . They’ll just manipulate the data .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565

    I'd love to know what the Dems in the US are doing for opposition because the only dissenting voices are influencers and podcasters.
    Americans elected Trump and the GOP, they were defeated and have no chance to do anything about it until next year's midterms
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,107



    Fraser Nelson
    @FraserNelson


    Nigel Farage mocked Keir Starmer for “taking the knee” for Black Lives Matter.

    The mirror image of this identity politics is now here - and Farage now kneeling before the gods of MAGA.

    It might be something which, like Starmer, he will come to regret.

    https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/1893287661520986503
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    Really? Go back 150-200 years there was no NHS, no minimum wage, no social housing, no unemployment benefits, no state pension etc. Your ancestors really were left to the mercy of the market then with at most a bit of poor relief or the workhouse and the odd alms house and church soup kitchen for support.

    This government I would also remind you was elected, given you couldn't even be bothered to vote in that election why on earth should we care what your opinion is of it and the previous government it defeated anyway?
    There is the ballot box when that becomes worthless as it is now there are other boxes
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 586
    Truss and Farage are tying themselves to Trump's car crash policies and slagging off Britain every chance they get. Why don't they bugger off and live there if they love it so much.
  • The air is less polluted than it's ever been.
    Depends on where you live
  • eekeek Posts: 29,539
    nico67 said:

    They’ve got that covered . They’ll just manipulate the data .
    That only works until people look at the cost of eating out / eggs and stop trusing the figures.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,946
    The Dems made a big mistake with their abortion initiatives in certain states . Effectively this allowed some to vote GOP and vote to protect abortion at the same time .

    And many Dem supporters now want the maximum pain inflicted on the country as they see it as the only way to break through the Maga cult .

    The GOP hold all branches of government so the buck stops with them .
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695
    Hmm… if it turns out there’s a bomb on this flight and the mysterious very tall woman in the row in front of me was responsible then please note me down posthumously as having had great foresight.

    If not, then good. Just a late flight with a baggage miscount and a strangely mysterious woman in the row in front of me who’s straight out of a Bond movie.
  • boulay said:

    It’s not just the fight back that’s necessary, it needs his supporters to feel disillusioned and not support him. It needs multiple equivalents of the hunters and outdoorsmen who use the national parks to find the parks unmanaged and their prey scared off by thousands of unmanaged visitors because all the parks staff have gone.

    It will take a long time for the knock on effects to come through. When everyone knows someone who has lost their job and then they see Musk behaving like a douche and the papers announcing his wealth it will start to grate.

    There is that scene in The Hunt for Red October where the chap on the bad sub turns round to the captain as their own torpedo is about to hit them and says “you arrogant ass, you’ve killed us” - there will be a point where Trump and Musk are saying it to each other - let’s just hope that too much damage is not done by then.
    "I would like to have seen Montana..."
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    And you expect the government to massively increase pay for private sector software engineers how? All they can do is tax you less if you earn above minimum wage
    Wasn't asking them to do anything as all politicians are incompetent....when you have worked in various industries since the 80's and never met anyone that has got the payrise that government claims to be the private sector payrise average you begin to think it politicians talking bollocks
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,946
    eek said:

    That only works until people look at the cost of eating out / eggs and stop trusing the figures.
    There are admittedly some independent data collection but it would not shock me in the slightest to see government data manipulated.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,059
    TimS said:

    Hmm… if it turns out there’s a bomb on this flight and the mysterious very tall woman in the row in front of me was responsible then please note me down posthumously as having had great foresight.

    If not, then good. Just a late flight with a baggage miscount and a strangely mysterious woman in the row in front of me who’s straight out of a Bond movie.

    You have nothing to lose then, move and sit next to her, chat her up, if she’s blown you guys up then nothing lost, if she’s just a hot woman on a flight then a nice diversion on a flight.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    We don't have democracy when all we can vote for is A or very slightly different A....discuss
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    I'd love to know what the Dems in the US are doing for opposition because the only dissenting voices are influencers and podcasters.
    Not quite. There are lots of Democrats speaking out. Here's some:

    https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3lipjjcouak2u

    https://bsky.app/profile/petebuttigieg.bsky.social/post/3liptnqdprc2a

    https://bsky.app/profile/warren.senate.gov/post/3liqakmhets2d

    https://bsky.app/profile/sanders.senate.gov/post/3lik6gy4hvc2e

    https://bsky.app/profile/mmpadellan.bsky.social/post/3lipmqnep7k2v

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lildqdqwpj2s

    The last one (a speech from Illinois governor Pritzker) has inspired me to put a fiver on him for next POTUS.

    https://youtu.be/hS66O1C7Gp4?feature=shared

    So there are plenty of Democrats being vocal about Trump. The problem is that with a cabinet and SCOTUS packed with his stooges, and with a Senate and Congress with a Republican majority, there is a limit to what they can do, particularly if the courts are unwilling to force the rule of law.
  • If the Democrats are in power, there might be a renegotiation.

    If there really is an investment of tens of billions of US$ to unlock hundreds of billions of "rare earth metals", that will have a massive effect in the Ukrainian economy. As well as a worldwide effort to support reconstruction, it will be one of the most active economies anywhere. The multiplier used in large civil engineering projects is 2.2 - so every 10 billion spent feels like 22 billion in the local economy.

    Of course, a shiny revitalised Ukraine is going to be an ever more attractive bauble for Putin.
    This is a betting site. What is the price on Trump later cutting in a Russian company to exploit Ukraine's mineral resources?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    Pagan2 said:

    We don't have democracy when all we can vote for is A or very slightly different A....discuss

    We do there is a huge difference from the Greens on the hard left to Reform on the nationalist right with Labour and the Liberals and Conservatives in between.

    Just you are too lazy to bother to read manifestos and vote. 200 years ago you wouldn't have been allowed to vote anyway as you didn't own high enough value property to have a vote, the Chartists and suffragettes fought and sometimes died for the vote, all you do is whinge.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,617
    HYUFD said:

    Very much they do, we need to subsidise our farmers more and indeed should subsidise core steel and shipyard industries too.

    It is the production that comes out of it that delivers for the taxpayer, they don't need to be all nationalised
    Why subsidise British farmers if farmers in other countries can produce the same food at lower cost?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    Pagan2 said:

    There is the ballot box when that becomes worthless as it is now there are other boxes
    Yes, a jail cell
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    We do there is a huge difference from the Greens on the hard left to Reform on the nationalist right with Labour and the Liberals and Conservatives in between.

    Just you are too lazy to bother to read manifestos and vote. 200 years ago you wouldn't have been allowed to vote anyway as you didn't own high enough value property to have a vote, the Chartists and suffragettes fought and sometimes died for the vote, all you do is whinge.
    Bollocks I read manifesto's...tories labour are all versions of A....greens and reform are bat shit crazy

    When A isn't going to work as its just more of how we got here its also batshit crazy.

    So given 3 choices of batshit crazy you wonder why I don't bother and think our democracy is in dire need of reform and no I don't mean pr
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    Pagan2 said:

    Wasn't asking them to do anything as all politicians are incompetent....when you have worked in various industries since the 80's and never met anyone that has got the payrise that government claims to be the private sector payrise average you begin to think it politicians talking bollocks
    Obviously you weren't earning high enough and didn't meet the market forces skill and production level to even meet the average rise for your industry then
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    Pagan2 said:

    Bollocks I read manifesto's...tories labour are all versions of A....greens and reform are bat shit crazy

    When A isn't going to work as its just more of how we got here its also batshit crazy.

    So given 3 choices of batshit crazy you wonder why I don't bother and think our democracy is in dire need of reform and no I don't mean pr
    For what? Corbynism? Marxism? Fascism? Libertarianism? There are and have been parties representing all of that
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164

    ...

    I think the NHS was a regrettable development.
    Since it saved my life, I beg to differ.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,436
    HYUFD said:

    Americans elected Trump and the GOP, they were defeated and have no chance to do anything about it until next year's midterms
    I disagree, the 2 houses are finally balanced. The Dems still voted with Gop in the senate hearings.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    Obviously you weren't earning high enough and didn't meet the market forces skill and production level to even meet the average rise for your industry then
    There was no average rise for the industry senior software engineer jobs were advertised at the same salary for many years....oh would that be because apparently we were in shortage and you tory arseholes issued visas to keep businesses happy at not paying higher wages to compete for our services....oh yes that is right
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    edited February 22

    Why subsidise British farmers if farmers in other countries can produce the same food at lower cost?
    They often can't and as the Ukraine war and Covid lockdowns and Trump's tariffs and our response show that supply can soon be cut off and low cost of imported food rapidly rise, so if we don't produce our own we then starve
  • Pagan2 said:

    Bollocks I read manifesto's...tories labour are all versions of A....greens and reform are bat shit crazy

    When A isn't going to work as its just more of how we got here its also batshit crazy.

    So given 3 choices of batshit crazy you wonder why I don't bother and think our democracy is in dire need of reform and no I don't mean pr
    Sorry but that's just lazy thinking.

    Our parties are not all the same, they're not even the same as their versions of themselves from 5 or 10 years ago.

    Our politics evolves over time, and you can vote for whoever you want to, if your preferred choice isn't winning then that's a case of needing to win over others to your thinking so they vote for you - not change democracy.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695
    HYUFD said:

    Obviously you weren't earning high enough and didn't meet the market forces skill and production level to even meet the average rise for your industry then
    Oh HYUFD, you’re such a charmer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    edited February 22
    Pagan2 said:

    There was no average rise for the industry senior software engineer jobs were advertised at the same salary for many years....oh would that be because apparently we were in shortage and you tory arseholes issued visas to keep businesses happy at not paying higher wages to compete for our services....oh yes that is right
    So there we have it, you want a cross between the BNP and Reform manifestos and ban all immigrant visas
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,231
    HYUFD said:

    Americans elected Trump and the GOP, they were defeated and have no chance to do anything about it until next year's midterms
    In many ways, just let the MAGA fire burn. Let the voters see just how dark their hearts are. Then let them try and explain their actions away as the voters start to react with disgust. When people they know can't afford health treatments. When the stories come out about the terrible effects of cuts to worldwide social programmes for the poorest on the planet. When the job losses impact closer to home, on their friends and families. When the only beneficiaries of Trumpenomics are seen to be the very, very rich.

    When people start seeing this, they might be more receptive to the Democrats.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,617
    HYUFD said:

    Obviously you weren't earning high enough and didn't meet the market forces skill and production level to even meet the average rise for your industry then
    Just like British farmers don't meet the market forces skill and production level to stand on their own two feet.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    Since it saved my life, I beg to differ.
    Being our main source of medical care, and especially emergency medical care, it has saved millions of lives. If we had an updated version of the patchwork of friendly societies, private hospitals, charitable hospitals etc. etc. that preceded it, that would be the major saver of lives.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,784
    edited February 22
    Will the last person out of US federal government please turn out the lights! 😂



    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    2h
    Consistent with President
    @realDonaldTrump
    ’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.

    Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Sorry but that's just lazy thinking.

    Our parties are not all the same, they're not even the same as their versions of themselves from 5 or 10 years ago.

    Our politics evolves over time, and you can vote for whoever you want to, if your preferred choice isn't winning then that's a case of needing to win over others to your thinking so they vote for you - not change democracy.
    Do you think the policies coming out would be that much different whether it was tories or labour or even lib dems in government? Frankly the difference wouldn't be much in my view
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164
    edited February 22

    Being our main source of medical care, and especially emergency medical care, it has saved millions of lives. If we had an updated version of the patchwork of friendly societies, private hospitals, charitable hospitals etc. etc. that preceded it, that would be the major saver of lives.
    It would indeed be the major saver of lives... but I very much doubt it would have saved mine.

    You can opine all you like but I had skin in the game.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    So there we have it, you want a cross between the BNP and Reform manifestos and ban all immigrant visas
    Now you put words in my my mouth, issuing visa's however to keep the costs for businesses down does not help the workers of the country but then I guess you just think of us as serfs so it doesn't matter if our pay falls ever lower when you take inflation into account
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,542
    Starmer, per BBC:

    "We have talked about this for long enough. Now it is time for action.
    "President Trump is also right to grasp the nettle and see if a good peace deal is on the table.
    "Every time I have spoken with him, I am struck by his commitment to peace," he wrote.
    Sir Keir also said Ukraine must have a voice in negotiations and needed strong security guarantees, adding: "I believe America must be part of that guarantee."

    Starmer in The Sun:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/33514745/keir-starmer-ukraine-trump-peace-deal/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,522
    GIN1138 said:

    Will the last person out of US federal government please turn out the lights! 😂

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    2h
    Consistent with President
    @realDonaldTrump
    ’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.

    Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.

    Can't be legal.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    It would indeed be the major saver of lives... but I very much doubt it would have saved mine.
    I cannot comment on the specifics of your case. But I will say that I believe in healthcare for all, with provision for those unable to pay. I just think the NHS itself isn't the way to do it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164
    HYUFD said:

    So there we have it, you want a cross between the BNP and Reform manifestos and ban all immigrant visas
    Good grief HY, you're turning into a One Nation Tory.

    Well done!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,617
    HYUFD said:

    They often can't and as the Ukraine war and Covid lockdowns and Trump's tariffs and our response show that supply can soon be cut off and low cost of imported food rapidly rise, so if we don't produce our own we then starve
    OK, so food production is of strategic national importance, so needs to be propped up.

    Better to nationalise it then, to keep it out of the hands of overseas tyrants.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,231
    TimS said:

    Hmm… if it turns out there’s a bomb on this flight and the mysterious very tall woman in the row in front of me was responsible then please note me down posthumously as having had great foresight.

    If not, then good. Just a late flight with a baggage miscount and a strangely mysterious woman in the row in front of me who’s straight out of a Bond movie.

    The odds of a bomb on a flight are 1,000,000 to one.

    The odds of two bombs on a flight are 1,000,000,000,000 to one.

    You know what to do.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,542

    The odds of a bomb on a flight are 1,000,000 to one.

    The odds of two bombs on a flight are 1,000,000,000,000 to one.

    You know what to do.
    Take a bomb on every flight? As Baldrick said, if I have the bullet with my name on it in my pocket...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,107

    Harry Sisson
    @harryjsisson
    ·
    18h
    HAHAHA! A Republican congressman in Wisconsin just got BOOED to his face as he tried to defend Trump and Elon Musk targeting crucial government programs. They should be booed everywhere they go.

    https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1893132303813005326
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,959

    I am very glad we have Sir Keir Starmer as PM now and not Nigel Farage. I do believe he will come to be viewed as one of the great PMs.

    Horse! You have returned!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164
    TimS said:

    Oh HYUFD, you’re such a charmer.
    He's got a point though.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Good grief HY, you're turning into a One Nation Tory.

    Well done!
    Not really he is defending a business is more important than people policy here....there wasn't a shortage of software engineers....there was a shortage of software engineers willing to work for what companies wanted to pay so they imported them
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,059
    GIN1138 said:

    Will the last person out of US federal government please turn out the lights! 😂



    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    2h
    Consistent with President
    @realDonaldTrump
    ’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.

    Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.

    Cool, everyone’s on a report card for Mr Musk. Detentions looming.

    How problematic for the US would it be if every federal employee refused to respond and weren’t at work on Monday?

    When everything grinds to a halt is Trump blaming Musk on Tuesday and the civil war between them starting Wednesday?

    The big title fight between X and Truth Social? Godzilla v Kong.

    I’ve just realised both men have names related to bad smells.

    “He had a certain musk, damp with hints of unwashed. Like a pre-pubescent teenage boy.”

    “The incontinent old man emitted a loud trump which made everyone in the room have to hold their noses to avoid the pungent odour from causing a revisitation of their breakfast.”
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    edited February 22

    OK, so food production is of strategic national importance, so needs to be propped up.

    Better to nationalise it then, to keep it out of the hands of overseas tyrants.
    No, as family farmers know best how to manage and conserve the land and get the best out of land they farm as their families have been doing it for centuries.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,882

    The odds of a bomb on a flight are 1,000,000 to one.

    The odds of two bombs on a flight are 1,000,000,000,000 to one.

    You know what to do.
    Take the train?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,107

    Alex Cole
    @acnewsitics
    ·
    6h
    I love watching videos of Trump supporters who got laid off by Trump's cuts. 🤣🤣🤣

    MAGA: You were supposed to fire the DEI (black) people, not me!!!!

    https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1893314954524033515
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164
    edited February 22


    Harry Sisson
    @harryjsisson
    ·
    18h
    HAHAHA! A Republican congressman in Wisconsin just got BOOED to his face as he tried to defend Trump and Elon Musk targeting crucial government programs. They should be booed everywhere they go.

    https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1893132303813005326

    See also Georgia:

    "At about the same time as Musk was celebrating the work of his so-called "Department of Government Efficiency" at the event near Washington DC, Republican congressman Rich McCormick was holding a town hall forum for his constituents.
    Many in Roswell, Georgia, were angry about the impact of the Musk-inspired cuts and let the congressman know it.
    "Congress controls the budget, not the president," a woman said. "You are doing a disservice to set that down and not stand up for us."
    McCormick's response was drowned out by jeers."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly25yny3ego
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,661
    edited February 22
    Question: how much do I charge for YouTube collaborations?
    Answer: errrrr, let’s consult the tinterweb. Several different formula sites all of which offer wildly different values for how much I should charge…

    @Leon - you charge for your ass. How did you set your initial rate…?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,784
    boulay said:

    Cool, everyone’s on a report card for Mr Musk. Detentions looming.

    How problematic for the US would it be if every federal employee refused to respond and weren’t at work on Monday?

    When everything grinds to a halt is Trump blaming Musk on Tuesday and the civil war between them starting Wednesday?

    The big title fight between X and Truth Social? Godzilla v Kong.

    I’ve just realised both men have names related to bad smells.

    “He had a certain musk, damp with hints of unwashed. Like a pre-pubescent teenage boy.”

    “The incontinent old man emitted a loud trump which made everyone in the room have to hold their noses to avoid the pungent odour from causing a revisitation of their breakfast.”
    #popcorn
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,946
    carnforth said:

    Starmer, per BBC:

    "We have talked about this for long enough. Now it is time for action.
    "President Trump is also right to grasp the nettle and see if a good peace deal is on the table.
    "Every time I have spoken with him, I am struck by his commitment to peace," he wrote.
    Sir Keir also said Ukraine must have a voice in negotiations and needed strong security guarantees, adding: "I believe America must be part of that guarantee."

    Starmer in The Sun:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/33514745/keir-starmer-ukraine-trump-peace-deal/

    The whole article is really good . And Starmer needs to get this across to the public because the sentiments expressed in that I don’t think anyone could argue with .
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,542

    Question: how much do I charge for YouTube collaborations?
    Answer: errrrr, let’s consult the tinterweb. Several different formula sites all of which offer wildly different values for how much I should charge…

    @Leon - you charge for your ass. How did you set your initial rate…?

    Do you mean adverts or making videos with other youtubers?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,107
    One month after President Trump was sworn in for a second term, Democratic despair and denial are giving way to an angry message from party activists and voters to their leaders.

    Do something.

    Across the country, anti-Trump protests and fiery town halls are flickering back to life. In polling, Democratic voters are venting disapproval at congressional Democrats. And in interviews this week with voters, activists and elected officials, many said Democrats were failing to curb Mr. Trump or offer a meaningful countermessage.

    NY Times
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565
    edited February 22
    Pagan2 said:

    Now you put words in my my mouth, issuing visa's however to keep the costs for businesses down does not help the workers of the country but then I guess you just think of us as serfs so it doesn't matter if our pay falls ever lower when you take inflation into account
    Depends if we have a shortage of workers in your industry, however if you want to slash further visas issued you can vote for Farage and Reform or UKIP or the BNP or Britain First, the British Democrats etc.

    Indeed you have a whole range of 'British jobs for British workers', 'send the foreigners back to where they came from' parties to choose from
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164
    Pagan2 said:

    Not really he is defending a business is more important than people policy here....there wasn't a shortage of software engineers....there was a shortage of software engineers willing to work for what companies wanted to pay so they imported them
    Well that's globalisation for you. That ship has sailed though, and is sinking fast.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    HYUFD said:

    Depends if we have a shortage of workers in your industry, however if you want to slash further visas issued you can vote for Farage and Reform or UKIP or the BNP or Britain First, the British Democrats etc.

    Indeed you have a whole range of 'British jobs for British workers', 'send the foreigners back to where they came from' parties to choose from
    I don't object to visa's being issued for genuine shortages.....I do object to visas being offered to keep company costs down when there is no genuine shortage
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164

    I cannot comment on the specifics of your case. But I will say that I believe in healthcare for all, with provision for those unable to pay. I just think the NHS itself isn't the way to do it.
    Without the NHS I would not be able to comment on the specifics of my case.

    For you it's theory; for me it's reality.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,959

    Vaping is linked to colorectal cancer

    Well you can stick that up your...oh :)
  • carnforth said:

    Do you mean adverts or making videos with other youtubers?
    So far I’ve been happy to promote stuff I actually want for getting it free and then commission on referral sales. The latter can be decent!

    But I’m making progress now and have had a couple of “how much do you charge” approaches to hawk stuff I might not be that bothered about. Would be basically make a video to show off whatever it is, plus dropping into other vids where appropriate.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,959

    https://x.com/afpost/status/1893061259160912083

    Kash Patel sworn in as FBI Director on the Bhagavad Gita instead of the Bible.
    He has become death, the destroyer of the FBI...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    HYUFD said:

    Depends if we have a shortage of workers in your industry, however if you want to slash further visas issued you can vote for Farage and Reform or UKIP or the BNP or Britain First, the British Democrats etc.

    Indeed you have a whole range of 'British jobs for British workers', 'send the foreigners back to where they came from' parties to choose from
    The Tories' appallingly lax policies on immigration helped propel you to your worst election result in living history, and still gives Starmer a get out of gaol free card whenever Badenoch challenges him on the issue.

    The policy has not boosted growth, which is moribund, and it has caused other severe structural issues, namely putting immense pressure on utilities, services like health, and housing. It has also greatly undermined social cohesion.

    Some friendly advice - don't go too big on it on the doorsteps when you're canvassing next GE.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    Without the NHS I would not be able to comment on the specifics of my case.

    For you it's theory; for me it's reality.
    OK - if you want to make that experience public, I would certainly be interested. If you don't, that's fine too.
  • viewcode said:

    He has become death, the destroyer of the FBI...
    No need for the FBI. Trump is judge, jury and executor
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,146

    ... sharp rise in cancer cases among young people.

    Diagnoses of the disease among those aged between 25 and 29 have risen by one quarter in the UK since the early 1990s, increasing twice the rate of those over the age of 50.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/22/jessica-brady-new-cancer-training-royal-college-gps/ (£££)

    Do we get our fags back if it turns out smoking causes lung cancer but suppresses other cancers?

    Obesity is a significant cause of cancer AFAIK.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,565

    The Tories' appallingly lax policies on immigration helped propel you to your worst election result in living history, and still gives Starmer a get out of gaol free card whenever Badenoch challenges him on the issue.

    The policy has not boosted growth, which is moribund, and it has caused other severe structural issues, namely putting immense pressure on utilities, services like health, and housing. It has also greatly undermined social cohesion.

    Some friendly advice - don't go too big on it on the doorsteps when you're canvassing next GE.
    To be fair to Rishi and Cleverly they actually tightened up visa wage minimum requirements for immigrants significantly and cut the number of dependents they could bring in too.

    Boris ended EU/EEA free movement but then massively expanded non EU immigrant visas
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