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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited February 21
    HYUFD said:

    We have a significant pork production industry in the UK, zebra or mouflon meat is almost entirely imported, neither are native British animals like pigs
    Er ... most farming pig breeds are in large part non-native non-British, albeit heavily hybridised ...

    And if it's British to eat that on your logic, surely it's even more British not to?
  • I see Guido has a copy of a 2015 election leaflet from Jonathan Reynolds that states ...'Before that I was a solicitor in Manchester'. It's now the fifth time he has claimed to be a solicitor.

    I think that this has now done for him and he will be gone very shortly. Possibly as an MP too.

    I didn't really see him as a fantasist. Had him as one of the more boring, workmanlike members of the cabinet.

    Becoming a bit of thing now for Labour ministers - Haigh, Siddiq, Gwynne, Reynolds, Reeves.

    Interesting more coming out of the Trigger Me Timbers over Reynolds:

    https://x.com/liambillington/status/1892994721234182348
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,960
    MattW said:

    US Public polling - Trump's actions.


    As an aside, if you ask the illegal immigration question very slightly differently, you get different results.

    So, if you ask "about deporting illegal immigrants who have not been convicted of a criminal offence", then support drops to 39%. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-admin-deporting-illegal-immigrants-convicted-crime-wildly-popular-among-new-york-voters-poll)
  • Had some lovely horsemeat in Italy. Would love to be able to get some in London.
    There are problems with racehorses and others being given medicinal drugs that render them unsuitable for human consumption.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,719
    kle4 said:

    Has their policy on defence spending changed in the last week or so? As prior to that at least they had the exact same policy as Labour on the % and timescale at least.
    They are now arguing for spending 3% of GDP.
    Which is likely what is needed, if the US has de facto left NATO.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    What's happened now?
    I think she's just continuing her MAGA-esq journey, not really that newsworthy - she's a Trump fan, that's baked in now, and there is some support for that in this country, if not as much as she may believe.
  • kle4 said:

    It all seems a bit silly, but politicians have been brought down by even pettier things than CV inflation.
    It's illegal, on various counts.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,221
    kle4 said:

    Why? Look at the venue

    she's speaking at a conference that even Jordan Bardella finds a bit too rancid for his tastes?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,699
    Time to go watch my team lose again. Evens on Brentford to win looks great value. My teams defence is pants.

    At least it's a warmer night.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    kle4 said:

    We accidentally stumbled into a global empire and feel a bit self conscious about it?
    Yes. It’s all a bit embarrassing. It’s like we got a bit too drunk one night at a party, ruined the carpet by spilling wine and asked the hosts’ daughter out.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,699
    kamski said:

    she's speaking at a conference that even Jordan Bardella finds a bit too rancid for his tastes?
    Yes, it is interesting that the Le Pennites are backing off. They know how this stuff goes down in Europe.
  • British appreciation for the underdog is a deep cultural touchstone.

    I think it’s one thing, for example, that divides British culture from American.
    Though being the "underdog" doesn't necessarily make you right.
    I support Ukraine and Israel in their current conflicts, because they are more liberal and democratic than their opponents.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074

    The Tories are running down an ideological cul-de-sac.
    The social post about being defenders of Western Civilidation is utterly bonkers. These are serious times, and Badenoch is simply not serious. Total irrelevance beckons.

    The Lib Dems smell weakness, hopefully.
    There’s an opportunity to position themselves as the mainstream opposition to Labour, with Reform as the supposedly “populist” opposition.

    I agree with your first paragraph, but you lose it on the second.

    Here's an evergreen comment for you: whatever the question, the Liberal Democrats are never the answer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    TimS said:

    I do think the British outrage at Trump’s behaviour is being supercharged by the “not done” way he and his people are going about it. They are uncouth, impolite and lacking any diplomatic manners.

    In this case of course there is bad stuff happening in substance as well as bad rhetoric, but the total lack of manners really rubs it in. The Russians have been equally childishly rude for years. Conversely it’s why China (usually) gets away with doing bad stuff - they remain polite 90% of the time, save for the occasional shouty tantrum.
    Yes, it is hard to separate how rude and crude Trump is, as a general rule, from then trying to analyse individual ideas or policies. Some people who like him are clearly less comfortable with how offensive he can be and either ignore it or excuse it, whilst some numbers (plenty of his supporters) absolutely love it.

    Used to be only the North Koreans who were that rude and petty in diplomatic statements.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,012
    HYUFD said:

    The LDs won lots of seats in 2024 because the Tory voteshare was barely more than half what it was in 2019, little to do with 'hyper local campaigns' except in seats they won narrowly.

    Now it is the Labour voteshare down significantly with the Tory voteshare little changed, so the Tories will gain many more seats from Labour than they lose to the LDs on current polls, indeed they will probably lose more seats to Reform than the Liberals
    In my seat Hamble Valley, the Labour vote ensured the Tories won.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074

    I'm a big fan of rabbit. I like it done the Catalan way - grilled and served with a mound of alioli, roasted peppers and chips. Add a bottle of filthy strong red wine from the Priorat and you're in paradise

    That sounds amazing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378
    edited February 21
    biggles said:

    Yes. It’s all a bit embarrassing. It’s like we got a bit too drunk one night at a party, ruined the carpet by spilling wine and asked the hosts’ daughter out.
    Oddly, since we clobbered them once and for all, it has been all about some concern for the French.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    nico67 said:

    As soon as Zelenskyy signs the minerals deal Trump will say he’s marvellous.

    In an ideal world Zelenskyy would tell Trump to go fxck himself but I expect he has no choice but to sign a deal .

    Hopefully he can at least avoid Trump forcing him to do a photo down on one knee or something.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,309
    kle4 said:

    Anyone who has read Sharpe knows that all the best soliders in the army were Irish, Welsh, or Scottish.

    Christ, notwithstanding Sharpe himself being English I think even the French opponents get fewer villainous mooments than post English officers.
    Don’t forget the Essex Men and cockneys (which Sharpe was).

    The big recruiting grounds were Ireland, and the Highlands (where the army was almost the only career option, both for younger sons of farmers and minor gentry); and places like Essex (which incorporated East London), where poverty was rife, Staffordshire, South Lancs., South Yorks., which were hit by periodic mass unemployment, during industrialisation.

  • nico67 said:

    As soon as Zelenskyy signs the minerals deal Trump will say he’s marvellous.

    In an ideal world Zelenskyy would tell Trump to go fxck himself but I expect he has no choice but to sign a deal .

    The other consequence of such an agreement is Trump would need to protect the deal

    'Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive' [Sir Walter Scott's poem 'Marmion]
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    edited February 21

    In my seat Hamble Valley, the Labour vote ensured the Tories won.
    There was also a 15% Reform vote there and Labour votes going LD would mean Tory gains in Tory v Labour marginals
  • On the US poll It seems my interpretation was not accurate, and for that I apologise and thank those for politely pointing it out
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378
    Sean_F said:

    Don’t forget the Essex Men and cockneys (which Sharpe was).

    The big recruiting grounds were Ireland, and the Highlands (where the army was almost the only career option, both for younger sons of farmers and minor gentry); and places like Essex (which incorporated East London), where poverty was rife, Staffordshire, South Lancs., South Yorks., which were hit by periodic mass unemployment, during industrialisation.

    The Navy was drawing heavily on the Southern coastal areas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    edited February 21
    Carnyx said:

    Er ... most farming pig breeds are in large part non-native non-British, albeit heavily hybridised ...

    And if it's British to eat that on your logic, surely it's even more British not to?
    There are large numbers of pig farms across Britain, very few zebra or mouflon farms.

    In any case Five Guys is a burger chain which has always put bacon on many of its burgers, it never sold zebra or mouflon meat, so it has taken a decision to deliberately remove non halal meat like bacon from its menu in many restaurants
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,012
    HYUFD said:

    I don't think the LDs will gain much, Starmer and Badenoch have equally confirmed support for Zelensky and Ukraine (as to be fair did Truss as PM). Starmer is also very pro EDI unlike Trump and both Starmer and Badenoch as well as Davey oppose Trump's tariffs and Starmer has reiterated support for a 2 state solution between Israel and Palestine. The most pro Trump party is Reform whose voters would never consider the pro EU, pro immigration LDs anyway

    It's getting them noticed and they are articulating what the majority of voters think. It's a good move for Davey and shows a more serious side than people saw in the election.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 572
    edited February 21
    Prediction: by the end of next year there will be crowds of Trump supporters in major cities of the US marching around Sieg Heiling.... and Trump will be applauding it.

    Is there a betting market for this?
  • Need to consider the potential for a by-election in Staylbridge and Hyde.

    Another safe Labour seat, been Labour since 1945. Conservatives have got close on a few occasions, <3000 off in 2019, but Reform second in 2024, 8,500 off.

    Could be interesting.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    Sean_F said:

    Don’t forget the Essex Men and cockneys (which Sharpe was).

    The big recruiting grounds were Ireland, and the Highlands (where the army was almost the only career option, both for younger sons of farmers and minor gentry); and places like Essex (which incorporated East London), where poverty was rife, Staffordshire, South Lancs., South Yorks., which were hit by periodic mass unemployment, during industrialisation.

    Normally army or clergy for younger sons of farmers and gentry with a few lawyers and merchants
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,005

    I agree with your first paragraph, but you lose it on the second.

    Here's an evergreen comment for you: whatever the question, the Liberal Democrats are never the answer.
    Given the Lib Dems now hold almost half the seats in Surrey - what does that say about the modern Tory Party?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,078

    Interesting more coming out of the Trigger Me Timbers over Reynolds:

    https://x.com/liambillington/status/1892994721234182348
    Why would this finish him off ?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378
    MJW said:

    Given the Lib Dems now hold almost half the seats in Surrey - what does that say about the modern Tory Party?
    Safe as houses?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited February 21
    HYUFD said:

    There are large numbers of pig farms across Britain, very few zebra or mouflon farms.

    In any case Five Guys is a burger chain which has always put bacon on many of its burgers, it never sold zebra or mouflon meat, so it has taken a decision to deliberately remove non halal meat like bacon from its menu
    Changing the goalposts yet again, complete no doubt with squirrel meat.

    You claimed that it was outrageous to ban pork because it is NATIVE BRITISH. Native is the word used for breeds, not for individuals, when it is used of farm animals [edit]. And when I point out the breeds aren't very British you suddenly decide it's not relevant.

    You'll need to do better than this on the doorstep.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,868
    edited February 21

    That sounds amazing.
    We haven't eaten rabbit since witnessing the effects of myxomatosis in the rabbit population in Northumberland in the 1950s

    Before that we ate it regularly and I am sure it is a very tasty dish today
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,787
    Taz said:

    Do you really think this is an issue that will do them great damage. Will people care greatly when their own lives are poor, or at least not getting better ?

    Good question and I am going to wait and see. It seemed to me that Reform had got their positioning exactly right: charismatic leader, hidden agendas fairly well hidden, social democrat, NATO, 1955 era, free money for the respectable poor and pensioners but not for the wrong sort, abolish this and that, NHS free at point of delivery, low migration, only lightly attached to conspiracy theory, economics of Toyland. What could possibly go wrong? I think that formula, given the uselessness of the Tories and the realities facing Labour, could get them to 35-37% in the polls.

    But all this is built on a continuation of the post war settlement, in which security is key. At heart I don't think most potential Reform voters want any of: USA supporting Russia; Russia free to trample on Europe, hatred of the underdog; USA telling Reform voters what a bunch of losers Brits are.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    We haven't eaten rabbit since witnessing the effects of myxomatosis in the rabbit population in Northumberland in the 1950s
    My dad was the same.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,078

    That sounds amazing.
    I’ve got homemade gyros with Greek salad and homemade flatbread tonight and it smells amazing but that sounds another level. Awesome.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    HYUFD said:

    There are large numbers of pig farms across Britain, very few zebra or mouflon farms.

    In any case Five Guys is a burger chain which has always put bacon on many of its burgers, it never sold zebra or mouflon meat, so it has taken a decision to deliberately remove non halal meat like bacon from its menu in many restaurants
    The milkshakes are good but not worth the money. being able to customise the burgers is good in theory, but they are nothing special and well overpriced.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,012
    edited February 21
    HYUFD said:

    There was also a 15% Reform vote there and Labour votes going LD would mean Tory gains in Tory v Labour marginals
    TBF Hamble Valley was a new seat and Labour put a lot of effort telling people they, not the LibDems, were the main challenger. In the end Labour barely beat Reform.
  • FffsFffs Posts: 90
    Carnyx said:

    Changing the goalposts yet again, complete no doubt with squirrel meat.

    You claimed that it was outrageous to ban pork because it is NATIVE BRITISH. Native is the word used for breeds, not for individuals, when it is used of farm animals [edit]. And when I point out the breeds aren't very British you suddenly decide it's not relevant.

    You'll need to do better than this on the doorstep.
    Is this not as simple as: Five Guys is a chain with an almost entirely consistent menu, and if you go to one that varies from that by not including certain items it's quite reasonable to be disappointed?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,309
    Omnium said:

    The Navy was drawing heavily on the Southern coastal areas.
    Very much so, but it was quite cosmopolitan
    (about 10% of sailors at Trafalgar were from overseas). There were also lots of Irish sailors. The Royal Navy was actually a pretty good option for the lower classes.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,332
    edited February 21

    Need to consider the potential for a by-election in Staylbridge and Hyde.

    Another safe Labour seat, been Labour since 1945. Conservatives have got close on a few occasions, < 3000 off in 2019, but Reform second in 2024, 8,500 off.

    Could be interesting.

    The Electoral Calculus MRP from last month was predicting a 51% turnout and a Ref gain at the next GE.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    kle4 said:

    He had myxomatosis?
    No, that was sort of the point!
  • kle4 said:

    He had myxomatosis?
    It was awful, and we would deliberately drive over the poor stricken rabbits to put them out of their misery

    There were lots of them on the country roads and it was very unpleasant but necessary
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    MJW said:

    Given the Lib Dems now hold almost half the seats in Surrey - what does that say about the modern Tory Party?
    They're shit, but it doesn't mean the Lib Dems are going anywhere.

    The LDs are the school snitches of the kids playground, the type that "tells Sir", changes their tune depending on what they think will ingratiate themselves with the teachers the most, and couldn't lead a dog.

    No-one looks to them as an alternative.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,509
    Sean_F said:

    Very much so, but it was quite cosmopolitan
    (about 10% of sailors at Trafalgar were from overseas). There were also lots of Irish sailors. The Royal Navy was actually a pretty good option for the lower classes.
    Not a few sailors in the RN were French
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Fffs said:

    Is this not as simple as: Five Guys is a chain with an almost entirely consistent menu, and if you go to one that varies from that by not including certain items it's quite reasonable to be disappointed?
    Not necessarily. It depends on demand - and the meny doesn't have to be identical, does it?

    Plus no point in having stuff hanging around till it goes off - it's a fast food place after all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    edited February 21
    MJW said:

    Given the Lib Dems now hold almost half the seats in Surrey - what does that say about the modern Tory Party?
    Surrey was more Remain than the national average, to be fair the Tories could get into power with Reform now with both making big gains from Labour even if half the Surrey seats stayed LD.

    Though if the next general election saw a Labour minority government with LD confidence and supply that would likely send some of those LD Surrey seats back to the Tories
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    Carnyx said:

    Changing the goalposts yet again, complete no doubt with squirrel meat.

    You claimed that it was outrageous to ban pork because it is NATIVE BRITISH. Native is the word used for breeds, not for individuals, when it is used of farm animals [edit]. And when I point out the breeds aren't very British you suddenly decide it's not relevant.

    You'll need to do better than this on the doorstep.
    No, the point stands absolutely. Five Guys have deliberately removed bacon from its burgers so it just sells halal meat now in many areas.

    There are thousands of pig farms in the UK selling British produced pork and bacon and Five Guys used that in all its restaurants before very happily until now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    Sean_F said:

    Very much so, but it was quite cosmopolitan
    (about 10% of sailors at Trafalgar were from overseas). There were also lots of Irish sailors. The Royal Navy was actually a pretty good option for the lower classes.
    Plenty of exotic foreign travel too and some battles (provided you survived)
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Just seen Steve Bannon. Good grief, how many of these salutes do we need to be able to call this nonsense out for what it is.
  • FffsFffs Posts: 90
    Carnyx said:

    Not necessarily. It depends on demand - and the meny doesn't have to be identical, does it?

    Plus no point in having stuff hanging around till it goes off - it's a fast food place after all.
    Fair enough, they are certainly free to optimise this way, but equally I think it's fine for people not to be thrilled about that, and that this doesn't mark them out as having extreme or unpleasant views.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,005

    They're shit, but it doesn't mean the Lib Dems are going anywhere.

    The LDs are the school snitches of the kids playground, the type that "tells Sir", changes their tune depending on what they think will ingratiate themselves with the teachers the most, and couldn't lead a dog.

    No-one looks to them as an alternative.
    I mean quite clearly they are looking to them in parts of the country that were once true blue Tory. The kind of places that should be ripe for an upbeat, optimistic Conservative message.

    I have some sympathy with your view of the negatives about the Lib Dems - their willingness to go full NIMBY is frustrating. But again, what does it say about the Tories that they've been getting their clock cleaned by a party whose main message is, "You may not agree with us on everything but at least we're not that horrible rabble"?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,979
    Vance now arguing on X with the defence editor of the Economist about who knows more about Russian military strength in Ukr.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    I am sorry as I do not want to project despair on anyone, but the poll does indicate higher approval from the public

    Of course that could change and the one creating despair is Trump and I cannot see that changing unfortunately
    The poll doesn’t show that.
    Also, many of the propositions on there are not fundamentally problematic.

    Yes, a good percentage of the population want immigration controlled. So what, it doesn’t follow that they want to invade Canada.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    Vance now arguing on X with the defence editor of the Economist about who knows more about Russian military strength in Ukr.

    Putin can give him the true deets.
  • FffsFffs Posts: 90
    Fffs said:

    Fair enough, they are certainly free to optimise this way, but equally I think it's fine for people not to be thrilled about that, and that this doesn't mark them out as having extreme or unpleasant views.
    (Not sure why I have weighed in on this, actually. I have no skin in the game because I think Five Guys is absolute crap either way.)
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,221
    HYUFD said:

    There are large numbers of pig farms across Britain, very few zebra or mouflon farms.

    In any case Five Guys is a burger chain which has always put bacon on many of its burgers, it never sold zebra or mouflon meat, so it has taken a decision to deliberately remove non halal meat like bacon from its menu in many restaurants
    So what? what's it to you? unless a restaurant that you go to all the time has stopped serving your favourite dish, in which case I can understand. But your silly references to imposing sharia law suggest you have another agenda.

    unless you have some evidence of people being too scared to sell bacon because of intimidation - like the cow vigilantes in India? AFAIK it's a commercial decision by a few branches of Five Guys
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    Cicero said:

    Pretty weak attack line.

    29 gains more from the Tories and Sir Ed is His Majesty´s leader Leader of the Loyal Opposition.

    The next locals could demonstrate that this is more than possible.

    I am more than sure that there will be increasingly vicious attacks on the Lib Dems, I am increasingly sure that they won´t work.
    But you're a core LD supporter and activist.

    For which perennial delusion is a central requirement.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,444
    kle4 said:

    Putin can give him the true deets.
    Except we know that won’t be the case as every level of Russian management lies to the one above exaggerating what they’ve been told
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378
    Sean_F said:

    Very much so, but it was quite cosmopolitan
    (about 10% of sailors at Trafalgar were from overseas). There were also lots of Irish sailors. The Royal Navy was actually a pretty good option for the lower classes.
    I'm reading NAM Roger's extensive three volume history at the moment. Not easy reads, but outstanding books.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045

    It was awful, and we would deliberately drive over the poor stricken rabbits to put them out of their misery

    There were lots of them on the country roads and it was very unpleasant but necessary
    I know many people don't like shooting, but shooting mixyed rabbits was a mercy. A wild rabbit that lets a dog go up to it without running is a rabbit that is both seriously ill and seriously frightened.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,221
    Fffs said:

    Is this not as simple as: Five Guys is a chain with an almost entirely consistent menu, and if you go to one that varies from that by not including certain items it's quite reasonable to be disappointed?
    yes totally reasonable, but has HYUFD had that experience? and if even if you do have that experience, is it reasonable to start going on about people imposing sharia law
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    eek said:

    Except we know that won’t be the case as every level of Russian management lies to the one above exaggerating what they’ve been told
    Presumably after that caught them out at the start of the 2022 invasion they are at least a bit more honest now, even if not totally so. The lying culture caused an entire repivot (and pretending the goal had not been to take over it all if they could).
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378

    They're shit, but it doesn't mean the Lib Dems are going anywhere.

    The LDs are the school snitches of the kids playground, the type that "tells Sir", changes their tune depending on what they think will ingratiate themselves with the teachers the most, and couldn't lead a dog.

    No-one looks to them as an alternative.
    I'll mark your card as a potential LD voter! Mine too. Just need a different leader.
  • Interesting more coming out of the Trigger Me Timbers over Reynolds:

    https://x.com/liambillington/status/1892994721234182348
    You might be missing the point. No-one cares about a no-name minister. If he goes, he goes.

    The significance might be greater for the Conservative Party because, first, Robert Jenrick will have played a part in bringing down Reynolds, which will strengthen his claim to the leadership. Second, the Tories are not nailed on to win a by-election and might even finish third behind Labour and Reform or Reform and Labour.
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    kamski said:

    yes totally reasonable, but has HYUFD had that experience? and if even if you do have that experience, is it reasonable to start going on about people imposing sharia law
    If restaurants in Muslim majority areas of the UK are only allowed to sell halal meat, in time some Muslim majority areas of the UK could try and impose Sharia law too, indeed there are now 85 Islamic councils and Sharia courts in the UK even if not recognised under national law

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/britain-sharia-law-courts-western-capital
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    But you're a core LD supporter and activist.

    For which perennial delusion is a central requirement.
    To be fair, Tories really to figure out how they lost seats they held for over 100 years. My sincere hope is that they do not ally with Farage and remember what conservatism is all about. You’ll do well if you do.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,221
    eek said:

    Except we know that won’t be the case as every level of Russian management lies to the one above exaggerating what they’ve been told
    IF the Russians have only been using 20% of what they could, then surely numbskulls Trump and Vance should be pissed off with them for needlessly prolonging a pointless war. They could have finished it 3 years ago by just winning.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,439
    Jonathan said:

    To be fair, Tories really to figure out how they lost seats they held for over 100 years. My sincere hope is that they do not ally with Farage and remember what conservatism is all about. You’ll do well if you do.
    Boris won and Farage on some polls is winning seats Labour held for 100 years, it is just the realignment post Brexit.

    White working class areas have moved right and upper middle class areas have moved liberal left
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    Omnium said:

    By observation, she was always odd, and continues to be odd. Odd can be good though, and there has to be a small comfy corner in the world where odd gets to put it feet up.

    It's a psychological firewall she's put around herself to protect her self-esteem.

    The alternative - confronting that she might actually be wrong- is too painful to contemplate.
  • Taz said:

    Why would this finish him off ?
    He's already had a slap on the wrist from SRA for calling himself a solicitor once. It's now 5 times and they are investigating him again. Clear offences. Once is a mistake, five times in a habit.

    He's just committed an offence on an election leaflet, that falls under RPA.

    Combine the two and he is toast.

    In addition, it seems that his expenses are about to become under some scrutiny with additional revelations in TMT posts.

    If he wont go willingly, Starmer is best to get rid.
  • The poll doesn’t show that.
    Also, many of the propositions on there are not fundamentally problematic.

    Yes, a good percentage of the population want immigration controlled. So what, it doesn’t follow that they want to invade Canada.
    You clearly haven't read my comment at 6.25 tonight
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,221
    Jonathan said:

    Just seen Steve Bannon. Good grief, how many of these salutes do we need to be able to call this nonsense out for what it is.

    The Bannon one is an even more clearcut Hitlergruß than Musk's semi-botched attempts, which I would call (also clearcut) fascist-style salutes.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    HYUFD said:

    Boris won and Farage on some polls is winning seats Labour held for 100 years, it is just the realignment post Brexit.

    White working class areas have moved right and upper middle class areas have moved liberal left
    Revolutionary right wing maga style nationalism does not equal British conservatism, it’s almost as far away from it at revolutionary socialism.
  • I know many people don't like shooting, but shooting mixyed rabbits was a mercy. A wild rabbit that lets a dog go up to it without running is a rabbit that is both seriously ill and seriously frightened.
    They were widely shot by farmers across Northumberland at the time
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    Jonathan said:

    Revolutionary right wing maga style nationalism does not equal British conservatism, it’s almost as far away from it at revolutionary socialism.
    It didn't use to equal american conservatism either, but it does now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    Jonathan said:

    To be fair, Tories really to figure out how they lost seats they held for over 100 years. My sincere hope is that they do not ally with Farage and remember what conservatism is all about. You’ll do well if you do.
    Votes leached to Farage and Reform is a far bigger reason for why the LDs "did well" than the innate appeal of LDs.

    They couldn't beat 12% of the vote.

    But, if you were a realist, you wouldn't be a LD; you have to permanently believe the breakthrough is tomorrow to pound those streets.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,095
    US Public polling - Trump's actions.

    It was awful, and we would deliberately drive over the poor stricken rabbits to put them out of their misery

    There were lots of them on the country roads and it was very unpleasant but necessary
    I'm surprised I can't find anything contemporaneous on the disease in the UK.

    Here is a 20 minute documentary about it's use in Australia:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT0d990lauE

    (A few distressing scenes.)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378

    It's a psychological firewall she's put around herself to protect her self-esteem.

    The alternative - confronting that she might actually be wrong- is too painful to contemplate.
    Maybe, and (in my view) that's probably true. I see little merit, and some cruelty in hounding her.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,078

    He's already had a slap on the wrist from SRA for calling himself a solicitor once. It's now 5 times and they are investigating him again. Clear offences. Once is a mistake, five times in a habit.

    He's just committed an offence on an election leaflet, that falls under RPA.

    Combine the two and he is toast.

    In addition, it seems that his expenses are about to become under some scrutiny with additional revelations in TMT posts.

    If he wont go willingly, Starmer is best to get rid.
    Starmer throws Haigh under the bus but will stand by Reynolds.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,979

    Faytuks News
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    French newspaper Le Point says that Trump is set to meet Putin in Moscow on May 9th to commemorate the end of WW2
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    CPAC is at the “Gaylord” conference centre?

    Oh god. LOL
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    MJW said:

    I mean quite clearly they are looking to them in parts of the country that were once true blue Tory. The kind of places that should be ripe for an upbeat, optimistic Conservative message.

    I have some sympathy with your view of the negatives about the Lib Dems - their willingness to go full NIMBY is frustrating. But again, what does it say about the Tories that they've been getting their clock cleaned by a party whose main message is, "You may not agree with us on everything but at least we're not that horrible rabble"?
    You need to do much better for the LDs than to just answer every challenge with, 'What does this say about the Tories?'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,003

    He's already had a slap on the wrist from SRA for calling himself a solicitor once. It's now 5 times and they are investigating him again. Clear offences. Once is a mistake, five times in a habit.

    He's just committed an offence on an election leaflet, that falls under RPA.

    Combine the two and he is toast.

    In addition, it seems that his expenses are about to become under some scrutiny with additional revelations in TMT posts.

    If he wont go willingly, Starmer is best to get rid.
    Look, if the SRA let Womble Bond Dickinson get away with repeatedly falsifying court paperwork to secure verdicts they know to be wrong, and then getting caught lying about it to a judge, are they actually going to care about an MP slightly exaggerating his status?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,925
    edited February 21
    Jonathan said:

    Just seen Steve Bannon. Good grief, how many of these salutes do we need to be able to call this nonsense out for what it is.

    I feel bad for Barbour. They are going to have to do some adverts featuring toffs hunting Nazis in North Yorkshire to neutralise it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    kamski said:

    IF the Russians have only been using 20% of what they could, then surely numbskulls Trump and Vance should be pissed off with them for needlessly prolonging a pointless war. They could have finished it 3 years ago by just winning.
    Had Russia not been advancing in the East in the past year as they unfortunately have done, I wonder if Trump's mission to turn everyone in the GOP against Ukraine would have been as easy as it has been, as he would have had more work to portray Russia as the inevitable victor.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735


    Faytuks News
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    French newspaper Le Point says that Trump is set to meet Putin in Moscow on May 9th to commemorate the end of WW2

    Commemorate or commiserate?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242


    Faytuks News
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    French newspaper Le Point says that Trump is set to meet Putin in Moscow on May 9th to commemorate the end of WW2

    And start of WW3?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,221
    HYUFD said:

    If restaurants in Muslim majority areas of the UK are only allowed to sell halal meat, in time some Muslim majority areas of the UK could try and impose Sharia law too, indeed there are now 85 Islamic councils and Sharia courts in the UK even if not recognised under national law

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/britain-sharia-law-courts-western-capital
    Protesting against restaurants not serving bacon is totally counterproductive if you want to reduce the influence of sharia 'courts'

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,960

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1893010666430116083

    NEW - Trump Job approval

    🟢 Approve 53% (+9)
    🟤 Disapprove 44%

    RMG #B - 3000 RV - 2/21

    Down from +12 a week ago.

    Here's the trend, albeit not yet including RMG: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,378

    You need to do much better for the LDs than to just answer every challenge with, 'What does this say about the Tories?'
    You need to much better for the Tories than worry about the weakest of utterances of (for every fault of their own) a completely inconsequential LD party.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    AFAICT, outside London, it requires quite some effort in this country to find hot food at a moment's notice that isn't cooked breakfast (morning only) pizza, pasta, burgers, (average) steak or fish and chips. And options for side salad, vegetables or fresh fruit for dessert are usually rather limited. In the evenings, you can add a curry, Chinese and a kebab.

    Clearly, that's what the market is demanding, but it's not exactly innovative cuisine or a healthy one.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,003
    biggles said:

    Commemorate or commiserate?
    Or to discuss how the last time the Russians reconquered Ukraine and conducted massacres and ethnic cleansings could be the blueprint for this time?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,078
    Hooters about to go tits up !!

    As a new one opens in the toon.

    https://x.com/exec_sum/status/1892954539348959356?s=61
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    edited February 21
    ydoethur said:

    Or to discuss how the last time the Russians reconquered Ukraine and conducted massacres and ethnic cleansings could be the blueprint for this time?
    If he stands with Putin while the rest of us are in France or Germany….
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,078
    rcs1000 said:

    Down from +12 a week ago.

    Here's the trend, albeit not yet including RMG: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/
    Wait til inflation starts to bite. It’s creeping back up.
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