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JustGetATeslaAt20%MoreRochdalePioneers said:SirEd calling for a Tesla tariff...
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Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.0 -
I voted LD to stop Corbynites winning the seat, the Tories are a distant third.HYUFD said:
Maybe but you voted LD in 2017 and 2019 and basically want the Tories to merge with Davey's LDs, whereas Leon wants them to merge with Farage and ReformTheScreamingEagles said:
I voted Tory at the last election, I am still a member of the party.HYUFD said:
TSE backs the LDs now anyway.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Hunt would be OK but he wouldn't win, he had little MP support when he stood last term, as I said it would be Shadow Chancellor Stride or Shadow HS Philp
As I keep on telling you the Lib Dems aren’t for me.
All they do is object from NIMBYism, to opposing the WFA cut, supporting tax dodging farmers etc.0 -
Just accept that I’m right about everything, it’s best for your mental healthIanB2 said:
But you weren’t brave enough to predict way back in January 2024 that he’d be replaced before the election, for the PB new year competition, unlike some of us.Leon said:You mean - just as an example - like when I pointed out that Sleepy Joe Biden was gaga from about 2022, and I said "this will be a massive problem for the Dems if they don't fix it", and you kept saying, for another 2 years, "No no no, he just likes dribbling and falling over"
Times like that?-1 -
Quick comment for those interested in the Letby case. There is a well informed - from the pro Letby point of view - article in the Guardian today
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/12/lucy-letby-case-trial-justice
which reiterates the inexplicableness of the defence in the trials calling no expert evidence.
What it doesn't go on to say it that the most likely reason this can't be discussed (and hence is inexplicable) is that Letby has not given permission for her confidentiality to be breached in this regard. (The legal privilege belongs to her, not her former lawyers). Until we know exactly why, and what the defence unused evidence would have revealed we are being kept in the dark.1 -
Tories are done. Labour are next in line for the Farage treatment, and like the Tories they don't know how to respond.numbertwelve said:
It increasingly feels to me like the next GE is shaping up to be a Labour/Reform battle.noneoftheabove said:
What can an alternative leader really do though? And do any of the potentials have much about them?RochdalePioneers said:
With this trend as it is there is no way that an intervention will not be made. Kemi's replacement may arrest the slide or may not, but it is coming.HYUFD said:
Gives Labour 187 seats, Reform 178, Conservatives 167 and LDs 60.TheScreamingEagles said:Continuing the trend of virtual 3-way ties, and the Tories drop slightly back in our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention:
➡️ REF UK 25% (+1)
🌹LAB 25% (+1)
🌳CON 23% (-3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 8% (+2)
Dates 7-10/2 Change with 31-3/2 n=2005
https://x.com/luketryl/status/1889606309508509829?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g
So Kemi Kingmaker who could make Starmer or Farage PM
Your problem with these snapshots is that by the time we get to an election the Tory seat count is more like 67 than 167 with the trend as it is...
Yes they will change at some point, but it won't help them. They are floating off to irrelevance.
The Tories might have a part to play, but I don’t think in current form they’re likely to be in any fit state to really challenge for government next time. Of course, things can change, but I am starting to think the only way that happens is by circumstances outside their control - the main one being a Farage flounce.
One argument - listen to voters and show how we get their concerns so here's this propaganda video of us roughing up the forrin as we deport them
Alternately - Diane Abbott asks what the point is of trying to our-Farage Farage as you can never be extreme enough.
I think the sweet spot is in the middle. Don't be dismissive of people's concerns, but instead of dogwhistles propose *actual solutions* which you then implement. Farage and Reform are fishing for low-engagement voters who simply don't know how stuff works and are thus susceptible to crayon policy solutions. But as the Tories found out to their peril, crayon solutions aren't enough - you have to deliver.0 -
Probably not enough people, but they might lose and go quietly into the night with some dignity - or survive long enough to wait out Reformy impulses and rebuild. Unlike now where it's like watching a maimed animal painfully die.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process0 -
Which would make the error clearly obvious.Carnyx said:
Trouble is lack of error checking/sensing. I'm just working with a paper which has a NGR obviously out - but given the area it looks as if a 6 has been typed for a 0 which makes complete sense. With What Three Words, if Leon mistyped 'tart' for 'tarn' you'd probably be 5000 km rather than 500m out ...MattW said:
Yes it is very useful for identifying gates. Especially gates in the middle of nowhere blocking Rights of Way.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I have to admit that we used W3W a fair bit on my watch in my old job. Leicestershire is a very rural county and W3W enabled us to locate incidents quickly if it was used. Even just using it to identify to other crews where we were using a portable pump for water or the best gate to use to traverse a field was a regular occurrence. I haven't used it since, but a couple of Amazon drivers said it helps if people in remote or complex locations put it in their delivery notes on orders.Leon said:PB should ban me from discussing any topic where I am completely right, and eventually shown to be right, and right in a way which horribly annoys everyone else, not least because I gloat, endlessly, about my clairvoyant genius
Unfortunately, going forward, this will restrict me to commentary about Liz Truss and What3Words. And even What3Words is looking a bit perkier than it was
"Ulaanbaatar, December 24, 2024 /MONTSAME/. The National Emergency Management Agency of Mongolia has launched a campaign to encourage every citizen to install the location-identifying What3Words application on their mobile phones. As part of this effort, the app has been installed and implemented for use on the mobile phones of 636,876 Mongolian citizens across 21 aimags of Mongolia."0 -
Senedding the wrong message!
At least a quarter of Labour's Senedd politicians are stepping down at the next election.
So far eight out of the group's 30 members have said they are quitting in 2026.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j8d388j4ro
(It is also adding an extra 35 members to make 95 on top of the existing 60. RefUK will be interested.)0 -
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.2 -
It would be a more dignified way out, as a suicide note, than the current thrashing and wailing like a crippled turtle.MJW said:
Probably not enough people, but they might lose and go quietly into the night with some dignity - or survive long enough to wait out Reformy impulses and rebuild. Unlike now where it's like watching a maimed animal painfully die.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process0 -
There are quite a few opportunities to be more aggressive with Reform, such as their absentee MPs, dearth of NHS ideas, gaping black hole in the manifesto, and their voting against the recent Bill for workers' rights. Especially when some policies start to (maybe) show results.RochdalePioneers said:
Tories are done. Labour are next in line for the Farage treatment, and like the Tories they don't know how to respond.numbertwelve said:
It increasingly feels to me like the next GE is shaping up to be a Labour/Reform battle.noneoftheabove said:
What can an alternative leader really do though? And do any of the potentials have much about them?RochdalePioneers said:
With this trend as it is there is no way that an intervention will not be made. Kemi's replacement may arrest the slide or may not, but it is coming.HYUFD said:
Gives Labour 187 seats, Reform 178, Conservatives 167 and LDs 60.TheScreamingEagles said:Continuing the trend of virtual 3-way ties, and the Tories drop slightly back in our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention:
➡️ REF UK 25% (+1)
🌹LAB 25% (+1)
🌳CON 23% (-3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 8% (+2)
Dates 7-10/2 Change with 31-3/2 n=2005
https://x.com/luketryl/status/1889606309508509829?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g
So Kemi Kingmaker who could make Starmer or Farage PM
Your problem with these snapshots is that by the time we get to an election the Tory seat count is more like 67 than 167 with the trend as it is...
Yes they will change at some point, but it won't help them. They are floating off to irrelevance.
The Tories might have a part to play, but I don’t think in current form they’re likely to be in any fit state to really challenge for government next time. Of course, things can change, but I am starting to think the only way that happens is by circumstances outside their control - the main one being a Farage flounce.
One argument - listen to voters and show how we get their concerns so here's this propaganda video of us roughing up the forrin as we deport them
Alternately - Diane Abbott asks what the point is of trying to our-Farage Farage as you can never be extreme enough.
I think the sweet spot is in the middle. Don't be dismissive of people's concerns, but instead of dogwhistles propose *actual solutions* which you then implement. Farage and Reform are fishing for low-engagement voters who simply don't know how stuff works and are thus susceptible to crayon policy solutions. But as the Tories found out to their peril, crayon solutions aren't enough - you have to deliver.
I tend to agree that focusing the debate around Labour policies which will benefit Ref UK voters, in areas where they are weak, would have more impact.2 -
I suspect her confidence has been hit by the polling and criticism of recent weeks, and it's starting to affect her.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
It's quite clear she's not up to the job. But, outside Jeremy Hunt, I'm not sure who would me.
[FWIW, Jenrick's approach would be to try to ape Farage and he'd do so by being rather nasty, which is no answer and wouldn't work.]0 -
Is *anybody* not a metropolitan commentator these days? "CurrentThing is BAD! We discuss the badness of CurrentThing! I have a mike and a neon sign over my shoulder! I AM VERY IMPORTANT!"CharlieShark said:
It's PoliticsJoe. Are you trying to tell me that they are some kind of independent journalists, not a group of young left wing metropolitan commentators? Jesus.rottenborough said:
He's not the only jouno:CharlieShark said:
The days of Dan Hodges being right on anything have long gone, if they ever existed. He has a pick and mix of bad and dreadful takes, this being another. Starmer didn't answer the questions and looked liked an arrogant twat. It's not a good look, but I understand why Hodges likes it.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
Ava-Santina
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Striking how poorly researched Kemi Badenoch's PMQs are. Best line was about Labour's new borders watchdog that will apparently WFH in Finland, knocked back by Starmer explaining he was hired and worked from home since 2019 under the Tories. Lack of fact-checking extraordinary.
https://x.com/AvaSantina/status/1889651749339685029
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Have you considered that you need an entourage? They would be your sycophants. They would be the ones to say "of course you are always right, oh great one". PB does not, on the whole, tend to be sycophantic.Leon said:
Just accept that I’m right about everything, it’s best for your mental healthIanB2 said:
But you weren’t brave enough to predict way back in January 2024 that he’d be replaced before the election, for the PB new year competition, unlike some of us.Leon said:You mean - just as an example - like when I pointed out that Sleepy Joe Biden was gaga from about 2022, and I said "this will be a massive problem for the Dems if they don't fix it", and you kept saying, for another 2 years, "No no no, he just likes dribbling and falling over"
Times like that?0 -
And you want them to merge with Plaid CymruHYUFD said:
Maybe but you voted LD in 2017 and 2019 and basically want the Tories to merge with Davey's LDs, whereas Leon wants them to merge with Farage and ReformTheScreamingEagles said:
I voted Tory at the last election, I am still a member of the party.HYUFD said:
TSE backs the LDs now anyway.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Hunt would be OK but he wouldn't win, he had little MP support when he stood last term, as I said it would be Shadow Chancellor Stride or Shadow HS Philp0 -
I would.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Centre-right economic competence is the one USP the Tories have left, and Hunt can play it - credibly - if he can escape being boxed in by pensioners, that is.0 -
Systems do not remain static forever, and ultimately the people decide on these things. Do not fret my friend.viewcode said:
If true, and sadly I think it is, then this country is stepmom'd...tlg86 said:...there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with...
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Jeez the bbc is so horrifically and obviously biased against Trump
“Look what he’s done now”
“Musk is an idiot”
“He’s insane isn’t he? - let’s get this Democrat politician on, to agree with us”
You’d think Trump was some tinpot dictator in Central America - not the most powerful politician in the world who holds his position by winning the popular vote in a massive election
When nigel gets in to number 10 he needs to destroy the bbc after he’s sacked every lawyer and judge in the UK2 -
That’s about 2 votes then, good luck with thatCasino_Royale said:
I would.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Centre-right economic competence is the one USP the Tories have left, and Hunt can play it - credibly - if he can escape being boxed in by pensioners, that is.0 -
If Reform hit the 30s then Labour are finished as an electoral force, with the added indignity of losing some of their big names over sectarian issues.numbertwelve said:
It increasingly feels to me like the next GE is shaping up to be a Labour/Reform battle.noneoftheabove said:
What can an alternative leader really do though? And do any of the potentials have much about them?RochdalePioneers said:
With this trend as it is there is no way that an intervention will not be made. Kemi's replacement may arrest the slide or may not, but it is coming.HYUFD said:
Gives Labour 187 seats, Reform 178, Conservatives 167 and LDs 60.TheScreamingEagles said:Continuing the trend of virtual 3-way ties, and the Tories drop slightly back in our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention:
➡️ REF UK 25% (+1)
🌹LAB 25% (+1)
🌳CON 23% (-3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 8% (+2)
Dates 7-10/2 Change with 31-3/2 n=2005
https://x.com/luketryl/status/1889606309508509829?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g
So Kemi Kingmaker who could make Starmer or Farage PM
Your problem with these snapshots is that by the time we get to an election the Tory seat count is more like 67 than 167 with the trend as it is...
Yes they will change at some point, but it won't help them. They are floating off to irrelevance.
The Tories might have a part to play, but I don’t think in current form they’re likely to be in any fit state to really challenge for government next time. Of course, things can change, but I am starting to think the only way that happens is by circumstances outside their control - the main one being a Farage flounce.0 -
It's a good question. I have a tiny suspicion that Badenoch doesn't see the current government and what it does as legitimate - she should be PM. So she has no curiosity about what it does.RochdalePioneers said:On the Chagos thing, is there any valid reason why the Tories are (a) refusing to be briefed and (b) throwing mud other than not caring what the facts are?
The other answer is she doesn't need a briefing. She can ask the people in her own party who were previously negotiating with Mauritius. *
It comes down on both counts to a lack of interest in the topic. In that case why does she make Chagos a centerpiece of her opposition, rather than, say, ordinary people's taxes? I suppose she's just running with whatever headline the Telegraph has that day.
* Edit thinking about it further it's possible Badenoch was involved in cabinet discussions about the negotiation.0 -
It's extraordinarily inept.RochdalePioneers said:Another day of stress aggro. Lets stick PMQs on for a distraction.
Dear God she's awful. The answer to most things she asks appears to be "but you did this and we're fixing it".
Even the Daily Mail lead with the bod wanting to WFH from Finland. Yes - they have been since 2019 and no longer will be!
How can she be this inept?
Who scripts her questions? Is he/she a Labour mole?0 -
In Scotland we have what is, in shorthand, called an Anderson appeal. This allows the appeal court to quash the decision at first instance if the representation at first instance is so defective that a miscarriage of justice may have occurred. The test is a high one. What happens in practice is that the court writes to counsel or the solicitor querying certain decisions. Counsel is able to reply because he is being directed to by the court. The Court are very cautious about second guessing decisions on what witnesses to call, not call or other tactical decisions in the case.algarkirk said:Quick comment for those interested in the Letby case. There is a well informed - from the pro Letby point of view - article in the Guardian today
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/12/lucy-letby-case-trial-justice
which reiterates the inexplicableness of the defence in the trials calling no expert evidence.
What it doesn't go on to say it that the most likely reason this can't be discussed (and hence is inexplicable) is that Letby has not given permission for her confidentiality to be breached in this regard. (The legal privilege belongs to her, not her former lawyers). Until we know exactly why, and what the defence unused evidence would have revealed we are being kept in the dark.
IANAE in English procedure but it is my understanding that the Court of Appeal in England have a similar test that, once again, tries not to second guess the decision, such as a decision not to lead evidence of experts whose reports might be "mixed" with good bits and bad bits.
We don't know yet but it seems very likely that this is the reason why the decision was taken by Letby's former representatives. If so, this will not be a successful ground of appeal.1 -
Question is, what is the underlying cause?RochdalePioneers said:
Its completely bonkers. Someone must have fed the story to the Daily Heil as well - did they think it was a biog gotcha?rottenborough said:The Finland bit was a dire moment for Badenoch.
How could she or her team not know that the reply would be 'you lot appointed him in 2019 and after five years we have now made him work from UK'???
Same with her repeat of the same question. "Are you appealing" - "we're closing the loophole" - "but are you appealing" etc etc
Two things done. Demonstrating that the Tories screwed up the law. And that Labour are fixing it. And she let him hammer that point over and over and over.
How much of it is Badenoch lazily swooping on superficial gotchas like a seagull on chips?
And how much is it a complete lack of backroom boys and girls to game this sort of thing out behind the scenes, because opposition is a very cold and very lonely place?
The first- Kemi's crapness- is fixable by a change of leader. The second- lack of people to do the thinking- is much harder to solve.1 -
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!0 -
I actually suspect the opposite - in that she doesn't read her criticism as dismisses it as biased and can't take it on board and course correct. A month ago, informed and generally unpartisan commentators were writing "she doesn't do detail and the reading, does she, this is why Starmer keeps getting off so lightly on topics that are bad for him/Labour".Casino_Royale said:
I suspect her confidence has been hit by the polling and criticism of recent weeks, and it's starting to affect her.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
It's quite clear she's not up to the job. But, outside Jeremy Hunt, I'm not sure who would me.
[FWIW, Jenrick's approach would be to try to ape Farage and he'd do so by being rather nasty, which is no answer and wouldn't work.]
If she'd read any of that and thought "hmm maybe they have a point"then would be taking a topic and really getting into the weeds and where she could really embarrass the government on it.
I suspect she's too lazy too and just reads the absolute tripe that comes up in her Twitter/X timeline from sycophants who think anyone acting like General Pinochet is great because they're on the same team.0 -
Wonder how that will work since the NHS is nominally (national) insurance based. Will there be a flat scale; or an age based scale; or will pre-existing conditions not be covered. For example, if you are born with a condition that needs constant medical treatment or a visit to the hospital, how will insurance cover it.Nigel_Foremain said:
One of his few sensible ideasrottenborough said:
Farage wants an insurance based health service.HYUFD said:
If Kemi backed withdrawal from the ECHR is there any significant policy difference between her and Farage then apart from Reform are a bit more Nimby?numbertwelve said:I think the point Badenoch was trying to make was that the government need to be open to derogating from the ECHR. But then she started talking about some bloke in Finland.
Government is difficult, complex and has many pitfalls as the previous government found. Easy to have sound-bite politicians moaning on but history suggests they'll be equally incompetent to the last lot.
There are no easy answers.0 -
Just look overseas. Most nations have some kind of insurance based medical system.Battlebus said:
Wonder how that will work since the NHS is nominally (national) insurance based. Will there be a flat scale; or an age based scale; or will pre-existing conditions not be covered. For example, if you are born with a condition that needs constant medical treatment or a visit to the hospital, how will insurance cover it.Nigel_Foremain said:
One of his few sensible ideasrottenborough said:
Farage wants an insurance based health service.HYUFD said:
If Kemi backed withdrawal from the ECHR is there any significant policy difference between her and Farage then apart from Reform are a bit more Nimby?numbertwelve said:I think the point Badenoch was trying to make was that the government need to be open to derogating from the ECHR. But then she started talking about some bloke in Finland.
Government is difficult, complex and has many pitfalls as the previous government found. Easy to have sound-bite politicians moaning on but history suggests they'll be equally incompetent to the last lot.
There are no easy answers.1 -
Nottingham NHS Trust has been fined over £1 million for failures in treatment.
What is the point of fining public bodies? Wouldn’t it be better to fine the individual Board members?2 -
Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.4 -
Just watched PMQs. If I were still a teacher, I'd be keeping Kemi in detention for not doing her homework. During said detention, I would make her write out 100 lines: I must get my ducks in a row.2
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There is no point in appealing if you cannot win. What Starmer said is that the law will be changed. Badenoch should have heard that and moved on. And she absolutely should not have asked about someone who the previous government appointed and allowed to work from Finland. How on earth did she fail to do the basic research that would have told her this was a subject to actively avoid?MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
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Interesting version of chain migration. If the court did support his application there would be bulge in the number of w**kers applying for paternity rights.MattW said:A case about a sperm donor trying to assert parental rights over one of his children-by-donation in the UK.
The Court found he did it to shore up his immigration position to stay here. The Family Court named him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yer90xpzno1 -
Well you may as well vote Starmer Labour then as they are the only main party proposing to build all over the greenbelt, cut pensioners WFA and hammer the farmers who provide our food with taxTheScreamingEagles said:
I voted LD to stop Corbynites winning the seat, the Tories are a distant third.HYUFD said:
Maybe but you voted LD in 2017 and 2019 and basically want the Tories to merge with Davey's LDs, whereas Leon wants them to merge with Farage and ReformTheScreamingEagles said:
I voted Tory at the last election, I am still a member of the party.HYUFD said:
TSE backs the LDs now anyway.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Hunt would be OK but he wouldn't win, he had little MP support when he stood last term, as I said it would be Shadow Chancellor Stride or Shadow HS Philp
As I keep on telling you the Lib Dems aren’t for me.
All they do is object from NIMBYism, to opposing the WFA cut, supporting tax dodging farmers etc.0 -
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-allows-jamaican-drug-dealer-210347846.htmlcarnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.0 -
Electoral Calculus have just stated "We have updated our poll-of-polls prediction , and our user-defined predictor to reflect the new MRP baseline."
That is why there has been a dramatic change in Electoral Calculus predictions, in spite of no dramatic change in polling.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html
Mystery solved. It is the new MRP baseline, whatever that is.0 -
Actually, Jeremy Hunt would be a strong choice for the Tories. Despite his culpability in Sunak’s tax rort, he exudes competence.
He’s untarred by Boris-ism (and the Boriswave) and he stuck at his seat when many might have done a runner.
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Only if Kemi did a deal with Starmer to keep him PM would she likely face the fate of Clegg's LDs, leaking voters en masse to Farage's Reform as he leaked en masse to Ed Miliband's LabourRochdalePioneers said:
Yes. *The most recent poll* will not be frozen in time so that its a likely result in 2028/9. The most recent poll shows that you are sliding every further away. Even assuming that Kemi stays leader she would be very lucky to be kingmaker. And remember how that worked out for Clegg and the LDs.HYUFD said:
No, neither Starmer nor Farage can become PM without Badenoch's support at the moment on the most recent poll.RochdalePioneers said:
With this trend as it is there is no way that an intervention will not be made. Kemi's replacement may arrest the slide or may not, but it is coming.HYUFD said:
Gives Labour 187 seats, Reform 178, Conservatives 167 and LDs 60.TheScreamingEagles said:Continuing the trend of virtual 3-way ties, and the Tories drop slightly back in our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention:
➡️ REF UK 25% (+1)
🌹LAB 25% (+1)
🌳CON 23% (-3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 8% (+2)
Dates 7-10/2 Change with 31-3/2 n=2005
https://x.com/luketryl/status/1889606309508509829?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g
So Kemi Kingmaker who could make Starmer or Farage PM
Your problem with these snapshots is that by the time we get to an election the Tory seat count is more like 67 than 167 with the trend as it is...
For all the hand wringing Kemi is on the latest poll potentially the most powerful party leader after the next GE in terms of deciding the next government, IDS had no chance of deciding who would become PM by contrast, nor did Hague0 -
As Robert pointed out the other day, the US government is an insurance company with its own army. The UK government is not any different. We all share the risk of expensive treatment and contribute premiums (tax) according to our resources (except pensioners, natch).Battlebus said:
Wonder how that will work since the NHS is nominally (national) insurance based. Will there be a flat scale; or an age based scale; or will pre-existing conditions not be covered. For example, if you are born with a condition that needs constant medical treatment or a visit to the hospital, how will insurance cover it.Nigel_Foremain said:
One of his few sensible ideasrottenborough said:
Farage wants an insurance based health service.HYUFD said:
If Kemi backed withdrawal from the ECHR is there any significant policy difference between her and Farage then apart from Reform are a bit more Nimby?numbertwelve said:I think the point Badenoch was trying to make was that the government need to be open to derogating from the ECHR. But then she started talking about some bloke in Finland.
Government is difficult, complex and has many pitfalls as the previous government found. Easy to have sound-bite politicians moaning on but history suggests they'll be equally incompetent to the last lot.
There are no easy answers.0 -
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.0 -
Good afternoon
Just caught up on PMQs and agree with the concensus Kemi was poor though Starmer does avoid answers as all PMs do at PMQs
I listened to Cleverly talking at the Farmers protest and it occurred to me that if he hadn't messed around with votes he would be leader now and would be more authoritative and better briefed
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Surely he should torture the BBC to death after he's hanged every lawyer and judge and anyone who didn't vote for him from the highest yardarm in the fleet?Leon said:Jeez the bbc is so horrifically and obviously biased against Trump
“Look what he’s done now”
“Musk is an idiot”
“He’s insane isn’t he? - let’s get this Democrat politician on, to agree with us”
You’d think Trump was some tinpot dictator in Central America - not the most powerful politician in the world who holds his position by winning the popular vote in a massive election
When nigel gets in to number 10 he needs to destroy the bbc after he’s sacked every lawyer and judge in the UK0 -
I think such a view is largely wrong.Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
Mist judges try fairly to balance the mass of interacting (and sometimes conflicting) legislation that governments have passed over the years.
That's their job - which means they remember more of the stuff which is inconvenient to any given point of view.
I don't know what direct experience you've had of the immigration system, and the law which underlies it, but it's been a morass for years.
Not helped by the frequent changes of policy.
What people don't like is the outcomes - but you can't legislate outcomes.0 -
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.Casino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.0 -
After reading about that judge cited by @carnforth above, I’m tempted to say YesChris said:
Surely he should torture the BBC to death after he's hanged every lawyer and judge and anyone who didn't vote for him from the highest yardarm in the fleet?Leon said:Jeez the bbc is so horrifically and obviously biased against Trump
“Look what he’s done now”
“Musk is an idiot”
“He’s insane isn’t he? - let’s get this Democrat politician on, to agree with us”
You’d think Trump was some tinpot dictator in Central America - not the most powerful politician in the world who holds his position by winning the popular vote in a massive election
When nigel gets in to number 10 he needs to destroy the bbc after he’s sacked every lawyer and judge in the UK
We really do need a Trumpite revolution now. A simple swing of the pendulum is not gonna cut it0 -
When Hunt ran against Boris for the leadership he did argue that failing to bring immigration down would be a betrayal of Brexit, so he'd be in a strong position to avoid the blame for the Boriswave while also steering the party back towards a moderate pro-business position.Gardenwalker said:Actually, Jeremy Hunt would be a strong choice for the Tories. Despite his culpability in Sunak’s tax rort, he exudes competence.
He’s untarred by Boris-ism (and the Boriswave) and he stuck at his seat when many might have done a runner.
He’s even more charismatic than Starmer (obviously a low bar).
He might lose a few votes to Reform but that would do more damage to Labour.1 -
I'd consider voting Tory if Hunt was to be PM.Casino_Royale said:
I would.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Centre-right economic competence is the one USP the Tories have left, and Hunt can play it - credibly - if he can escape being boxed in by pensioners, that is.
I'm politically left of centre, but if the LDs keep being so NIMBY and Labour screw up badly or veer to the left, then I'd consider a vote for a moderate Conservative, especially if that's what was needed to keep Farage away from the levers of power.1 -
Dismissing and replacing judges like this would just shift rather than eliminate the bias. Moving cases over to a jury system where the requestee needed say 80% of the jury to agree that they should stay would move these decisions closer to the views of the (wo)man on the omnibus of your choice.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
Also the squealing from the loss of institutional power would be terribly amusing.0 -
GB News seem to have it in for Kemi as well.
She’s not long for this world.0 -
How can you possibly vote for the Tories and “Jeremy hunt” when you read shit like that? We are way beyond sensible centre right governanceCasino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
We need a hard right revolution that sweeps away the whole rotten edifice. Democratically but very very firmly1 -
https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
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And If I were still a student I would be wondering how close to an f I can make the ds in the later rows without getting more lines.....Northern_Al said:Just watched PMQs. If I were still a teacher, I'd be keeping Kemi in detention for not doing her homework. During said detention, I would make her write out 100 lines: I must get my ducks in a row.
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I think you may mean her position as leader of the conservatives not her longevity!!!Gardenwalker said:GB News seem to have it in for Kemi as well.
She’s not long for this world.0 -
Pretty much my view.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'd consider voting Tory if Hunt was to be PM.Casino_Royale said:
I would.Leon said:
Who the fuck is gonna vote for Jeremy Hunt as PM? lol!TheScreamingEagles said:
It’ll be Hunt.rottenborough said:
Philp?HYUFD said:
They won't, it would be Stride or Philp who replaced her if she did go likely by MPs coronation as when Howard replaced IDS or Sunak replaced Truss. Jenrick and Cleverly failed to win either the Tory MPs vote or members votenumbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
You cannot be serious!!!!
Don’t let the oiks have a vote, leave it to the PCP.
It's a suicide note
I actively want the Tories to drop dead but people like you are speeding the process
Centre-right economic competence is the one USP the Tories have left, and Hunt can play it - credibly - if he can escape being boxed in by pensioners, that is.
I'm politically left of centre, but if the LDs keep being so NIMBY and Labour screw up badly or veer to the left, then I'd consider a vote for a moderate Conservative, especially if that's what was needed to keep Farage away from the levers of power.
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Off topic, but timely:
On Lincoln’s birthday, I always re-read his second inaugural, and again am amazed at the speech, especially that final paragraph:
"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln's_second_inaugural_address
(Lincoln's birthday is still a holiday in some American states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln's_Birthday )0 -
Eminently believable.Casino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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@DPJHodges
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.0 -
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.0 -
Precisely so. He'd rally many of the southern seats too, IMHO.williamglenn said:
When Hunt ran against Boris for the leadership he did argue that failing to bring immigration down would be a betrayal of Brexit, so he'd be in a strong position to avoid the blame for the Boriswave while also steering the party back towards a moderate pro-business position.Gardenwalker said:Actually, Jeremy Hunt would be a strong choice for the Tories. Despite his culpability in Sunak’s tax rort, he exudes competence.
He’s untarred by Boris-ism (and the Boriswave) and he stuck at his seat when many might have done a runner.
He’s even more charismatic than Starmer (obviously a low bar).
He might lose a few votes to Reform but that would do more damage to Labour.1 -
But he also said he thought the judge had made the wrong decision. That's incompatible with closing a loophole.Nigelb said:
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.0 -
How is that judge Jeremy Hunt's fault?Leon said:
How can you possibly vote for the Tories and “Jeremy hunt” when you read shit like that? We are way beyond sensible centre right governanceCasino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
We need a hard right revolution that sweeps away the whole rotten edifice. Democratically but very very firmly
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It's just freedom of speech + internet in operation. I very rarely look at PoliticsJoe but they are not bad, and why shouldn't younger people try to make careers out of whatever opportunity they can find? It's a free market, and no-one is compelled to watch it. And it is much less clickbaity than the Guardian.viewcode said:
Is *anybody* not a metropolitan commentator these days? "CurrentThing is BAD! We discuss the badness of CurrentThing! I have a mike and a neon sign over my shoulder! I AM VERY IMPORTANT!"CharlieShark said:
It's PoliticsJoe. Are you trying to tell me that they are some kind of independent journalists, not a group of young left wing metropolitan commentators? Jesus.rottenborough said:
He's not the only jouno:CharlieShark said:
The days of Dan Hodges being right on anything have long gone, if they ever existed. He has a pick and mix of bad and dreadful takes, this being another. Starmer didn't answer the questions and looked liked an arrogant twat. It's not a good look, but I understand why Hodges likes it.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
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Striking how poorly researched Kemi Badenoch's PMQs are. Best line was about Labour's new borders watchdog that will apparently WFH in Finland, knocked back by Starmer explaining he was hired and worked from home since 2019 under the Tories. Lack of fact-checking extraordinary.
https://x.com/AvaSantina/status/1889651749339685029
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Every day more chaos and controversyGardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
And we have 4 more years of this so goodness only knows where it will all end !!1 -
It’s a good job that England can bat deep…0
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So Europe should be determining what happens in Ukraine, then.Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
If you've no skin in the game, then you don't get to write terms of any settlement. Or nick Ukraine's mineral resources.0 -
Which unelected weirdo oligarch do you want to ‘democratically’ sweep away the whole rotten edifice in the UK?Leon said:
How can you possibly vote for the Tories and “Jeremy hunt” when you read shit like that? We are way beyond sensible centre right governanceCasino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
We need a hard right revolution that sweeps away the whole rotten edifice. Democratically but very very firmly2 -
Oddly enough, many people also starved.HYUFD said:
Historically accurate though, even Oliver Twist got fed gruel not nothing at allJosiasJessop said:
That's a dire post, even by your standards.HYUFD said:
There was a safety net of sorts from the church, Parish Poor Relief and later the workhouse even thenJosiasJessop said:
"Terror of poverty" is most apt in the stuff I've read from that period, both fiction and non-fiction.Carnyx said:
Anyone who's read about the Tolpuddle Martyrs and the Speenhamland System in Dorset will have a very jaundiced idea of any one on PB or otherwise who seriously claims that shire society is the ideal condition of society. That is, inevitably, wish fulfilment and in reality if one were born at that time it was much more likely to be a matter of the short straw even if one survived infancy.Sean_F said:
Many people believe that the pre-industrial world was The Shire, rather than a place of backbreaking labour, terrible housing, and a tiny elite living it up, at their expense.another_richard said:
Not to mention that we're continually told that we need more immigrants to get growth.Fishing said:
That's true but not the only reason. Green propaganda has persuaded a significant part of the population that growth isn't worth it because, well, plastic waste and ugly housing and smokey air and stuff. Old people see there's nothing in it for them because they're on fixed incomes. And many of the young think it's all a capitalist ramp anyway.DavidL said:The reason people think that growth does not benefit them is that it is used for services that they take for granted (since they are "free") such as the NHS.
There is a disconnect between growth and the money government has to spend. This is, in part, because large parts of the media, the third sector and indeed the Labour party, persuaded people that the government was not spending enough on the likes of health because they were mean or uncaring, as opposed to the reality that the tax take from our economy is simply insufficient to meet our aspirations.
Only an idiot denies there are some downsides to economic growth. But it takes a much worse idiot to prefer stagnation or recession.
With many of the places that then get immigrants not seeing, let alone benefitting, from the promised growth.
Mind, Austen didn't have it as nice as some folk might like. There's a savage vein of wish fulfilment and terror of poverty in those novels.
Less important now there is a social welfare safety net.
Have you ever read any Dickens?
Your sort of religio-regressionary worldview - and 'vision' for the future - positively drives people to the left.0 -
Another article that simply does not engage with the evidence presented at trial.algarkirk said:Quick comment for those interested in the Letby case. There is a well informed - from the pro Letby point of view - article in the Guardian today
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/12/lucy-letby-case-trial-justice
which reiterates the inexplicableness of the defence in the trials calling no expert evidence.
What it doesn't go on to say it that the most likely reason this can't be discussed (and hence is inexplicable) is that Letby has not given permission for her confidentiality to be breached in this regard. (The legal privilege belongs to her, not her former lawyers). Until we know exactly why, and what the defence unused evidence would have revealed we are being kept in the dark.1 -
Amazing. Is this the first PB thread ever of genuine political consensus? We all like Jeremy Hunt.1
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There's not much point the US being in NATO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Every day more chaos and controversyGardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
And we have 4 more years of this so goodness only knows where it will all end !!
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Who the fck is Greaser Hegseth to say who will and won’t be protected by NATO in a deterrence force if the US is bailing out?Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.0 -
So, everything Putin wants.Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.0 -
What the hell was that Paddington Bear shit by Stella Creasy?0
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56% of Conservative Party members think Kemi should lead the party into the next GE still a ConHome survey finds, 36% don't. Largely matches the 56.5% of Tory members who voted for Kemi over Jenrick last autumn
https://conservativehome.com/2025/02/12/our-survey-members-think-badenoch-should-lead-the-party-into-the-next-election-but-only-a-third-are-sure/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter for Wednesday 12th February 2025&utm_content=Newsletter for Wednesday 12th February 2025+CID_1d4d6b2ec1c10e21c225b75fd2a5a19e&utm_source=Daily Email&utm_term=Our survey Members think Badenoch should lead the party into the next election - but only a third are sure0 -
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Has anyone asked Zelensky which mineral resources will be used to “pay” the European countries who have supported him or is this a pure US shakedown?Nigelb said:
So Europe should be determining what happens in Ukraine, then.Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
If you've no skin in the game, then you don't get to write terms of any settlement. Or nick Ukraine's mineral resources.0 -
I'm currently listening to the excellent 'revolutions' podcast (about halfway through the Russian revolutions); and it strikes me that revolutions rarely go the way that the people who call for them expect. There is change; but often the people who call loudest for those change end up sorely disappointed by the nature of that change.Theuniondivvie said:
Which unelected weirdo oligarch do you want to ‘democratically’ sweep away the whole rotten edifice in the UK?Leon said:
How can you possibly vote for the Tories and “Jeremy hunt” when you read shit like that? We are way beyond sensible centre right governanceCasino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
We need a hard right revolution that sweeps away the whole rotten edifice. Democratically but very very firmly
Or dead.2 -
When considering alternatives, the bemused patient/tax payer needs to know why some other funding system (insurance/lottery/let them die/debit card only/pay as you go or whatever) is intrinsically better than funding universally by a fairly progressive tax system.turbotubbs said:
Just look overseas. Most nations have some kind of insurance based medical system.Battlebus said:
Wonder how that will work since the NHS is nominally (national) insurance based. Will there be a flat scale; or an age based scale; or will pre-existing conditions not be covered. For example, if you are born with a condition that needs constant medical treatment or a visit to the hospital, how will insurance cover it.Nigel_Foremain said:
One of his few sensible ideasrottenborough said:
Farage wants an insurance based health service.HYUFD said:
If Kemi backed withdrawal from the ECHR is there any significant policy difference between her and Farage then apart from Reform are a bit more Nimby?numbertwelve said:I think the point Badenoch was trying to make was that the government need to be open to derogating from the ECHR. But then she started talking about some bloke in Finland.
Government is difficult, complex and has many pitfalls as the previous government found. Easy to have sound-bite politicians moaning on but history suggests they'll be equally incompetent to the last lot.
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Putin wants Western Europe to become more serious about defence?bondegezou said:
So, everything Putin wants.Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.0 -
GB News is basically Reform TV now so no surpriseGardenwalker said:GB News seem to have it in for Kemi as well.
She’s not long for this world.2 -
No it isn't.tlg86 said:
But he also said he thought the judge had made the wrong decision. That's incompatible with closing a loophole.Nigelb said:
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.
As I pointed out above, laws conflict and produce uncertainties, which is what seems to have happened here. You can think a judgment got the balance wrong, and at the same time recognise that the only way to rectify that might be legislation.
No doubt they're trying to work out whether it's worth the time an appeal might take, along with the uncertain outcome, or whether it's simply more efficient to produce yet more legislation.
If you were designing an immigration system from scratch, you wouldn't start here. But we're not starting, and can't start, with a clean slate.2 -
She asked if he was appealing, which if he disagrees with it, you'd think he would. But he didn't answer. He just carried on about a loophole that no-one knows anything about.Nigelb said:
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.
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MeTheuniondivvie said:
Which unelected weirdo oligarch do you want to ‘democratically’ sweep away the whole rotten edifice in the UK?Leon said:
How can you possibly vote for the Tories and “Jeremy hunt” when you read shit like that? We are way beyond sensible centre right governanceCasino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
We need a hard right revolution that sweeps away the whole rotten edifice. Democratically but very very firmly
It’s Time. Time for the Leon Parliament
My cabinet shall comprise Lord Byronic as Deputy PM, the right honourable Mystic Rose as Home Secretary, the Lady G as COTE, and Goodwife Heathener as Keeper of the Thermos
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Again, its an interesting take.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
Starmer couldn't have been clearer - there is a loophole in the law created by the Tories which he will close.
Legal precedent won't apply when the law is changed. What will he do about it? Change the law.0 -
I don't think it matters.Theuniondivvie said:
Which unelected weirdo oligarch do you want to ‘democratically’ sweep away the whole rotten edifice in the UK?Leon said:
How can you possibly vote for the Tories and “Jeremy hunt” when you read shit like that? We are way beyond sensible centre right governanceCasino_Royale said:
Unbelievable.carnforth said:Casino_Royale said:
Many think immigration control are vexatious and those who want them rather unseemly people, so they view it as their life's work to frustrate it, for which they are applauded professionally and socially.Sean_F said:
I do think that a lot of judges in the Immigration Tribunal system need to be dismissed. They take a kind of wilful delight in frustrating the will of Parliament, whilst pretending to uphold it.Pulpstar said:
One of the things I'm, hoping for if/when Farage gets in is a wholesale clearout of the immigration tribunal system. It's clearly not fit for purpose.tlg86 said:
I think Dan's wrong. Kemi might not be great, but she was very specific with her questions. Starmer wouldn't confirm whether the government would appeal the decision or not. It seems to me that he wants to say that the judge got it right and it was badly drafted legislation by the Tories. That is obviously bollocks, and there's nothing to stop an activist judge overriding whatever legislation Cooper comes up with.rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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That wasn’t just Kemi Badenoch’s worst performance as leader. It was one of the worst performances ever from a leader of the opposition. She had no capacity to readjust after Starmer gave her a clear and direct answer on the Gaza family. It was embarrassing to watch.
I'm sure neutrality descends on them immediately they enter the courtroom.
We need a hard right revolution that sweeps away the whole rotten edifice. Democratically but very very firmly
He just likes the vibe.1 -
On Lincoln's birthday, it is also appropriate to thank those in the UK who supported and advised him, notably John Bright. (I'd be interested in reading a biography of Bright, some time.)0
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Very good, I thought, on a recent News AgentsStark_Dawning said:Amazing. Is this the first PB thread ever of genuine political consensus? We all like Jeremy Hunt.
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Instead of shooting an admiral, from time to time, pour encourager les autres perhaps we should shoot an immigration appeals judge.tlg86 said:
But he also said he thought the judge had made the wrong decision. That's incompatible with closing a loophole.Nigelb said:
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.0 -
Already asked and answered.CharlieShark said:
She asked if he was appealing, which if he disagrees with it, you'd think he would. But he didn't answer. He just carried on about a loophole that no-one knows anything about.Nigelb said:
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.
You're as bad as Kemi.0 -
I actually saw Hunt at a Tory leadership hustings and thought he was excellent. If he had led the Tories in 2019 vs Corbyn I'd have felt bad voting Labour.Stark_Dawning said:Amazing. Is this the first PB thread ever of genuine political consensus? We all like Jeremy Hunt.
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NATO members each have a veto on collective action by NATO. If the US says no, no collective action.Theuniondivvie said:
Who the fck is Greaser Hegseth to say who will and won’t be protected by NATO in a deterrence force if the US is bailing out?Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
Trump hasn’t announced leaving NATO. Yet.1 -
People are really struggling to understand which media organisations are backing who. The Sun backed Labour. GB News is Reform.Gardenwalker said:GB News seem to have it in for Kemi as well.
She’s not long for this world.
Probably deservedly, I doubt there are many friends of Conservatives in the media. Even the Mail was half-hearted, just in an attempt to stop a Labour landslide. That was then, can only imagine now.0 -
Then look at outcomes - e.g. cancer survival. The NHS is pretty good at what it does, but its not perfect. And arguably there are better ways to run it. GP's are used in the UK to stop you getting to secondary care (hospitals) - i.e. they sort the ones who actually need referring on from those who don't. But they do it with less information than they might. In other European nations a lot more scanning, blood testing etc is done at the primary care stage and GP's are not seen as the gate keepers. Its not an easy job spotting the 1 in 10 with what looks like IBS who actually has colon cancer, even though they are late 20's (Deborah James was repeatedly turned away by her GPs in this way before finally being diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer). Or my running friend who just wasn't right and had to go back to the GP 7 times before finally getting a referral which revealed that there was indeed an issue.algarkirk said:
When considering alternatives, the bemused patient/tax payer needs to know why some other funding system (insurance/lottery/let them die/debit card only/pay as you go or whatever) is intrinsically better than funding universally by a fairly progressive tax system.turbotubbs said:
Just look overseas. Most nations have some kind of insurance based medical system.Battlebus said:
Wonder how that will work since the NHS is nominally (national) insurance based. Will there be a flat scale; or an age based scale; or will pre-existing conditions not be covered. For example, if you are born with a condition that needs constant medical treatment or a visit to the hospital, how will insurance cover it.Nigel_Foremain said:
One of his few sensible ideasrottenborough said:
Farage wants an insurance based health service.HYUFD said:
If Kemi backed withdrawal from the ECHR is there any significant policy difference between her and Farage then apart from Reform are a bit more Nimby?numbertwelve said:I think the point Badenoch was trying to make was that the government need to be open to derogating from the ECHR. But then she started talking about some bloke in Finland.
Government is difficult, complex and has many pitfalls as the previous government found. Easy to have sound-bite politicians moaning on but history suggests they'll be equally incompetent to the last lot.
There are no easy answers.2 -
The issue is that it will then be judged that the law is incompatible with various human rights.RochdalePioneers said:
Again, its an interesting take.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
Starmer couldn't have been clearer - there is a loophole in the law created by the Tories which he will close.
Legal precedent won't apply when the law is changed. What will he do about it? Change the law.
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He is the Defense Secretary of the USA, which constitutes by far the most powerful force in NATOTheuniondivvie said:
Who the fck is Greaser Hegseth to say who will and won’t be protected by NATO in a deterrence force if the US is bailing out?Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
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It's probably better to know now, rather than after Trump has tried to write the terms of any settlement, along with his mate Putin.Malmesbury said:
NATO members each have a veto on collective action by NATO. If the US says no, no collective action...Theuniondivvie said:
Who the fck is Greaser Hegseth to say who will and won’t be protected by NATO in a deterrence force if the US is bailing out?Gardenwalker said:https://x.com/dominicwaghorn/status/1889672740237361494?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
Bombshell speech from US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth to Nato:
- US will no longer be the primary guarantor of security in Europe.
- US troops will not be part of any Ukrainian peacekeeping deterrence force
- No Nato protection for any forces that do take part in that force.
NATO will have to wait for another day.
And another president.0 -
He cut capital spending plans in his last budget to fund tax cuts, which was a bit of naked politicking in the run up to the election.Stark_Dawning said:Amazing. Is this the first PB thread ever of genuine political consensus? We all like Jeremy Hunt.
Happily Reeves reversed that, but only to a level that remains wholly inadequate.0 -
"a loophole that no-one knows anything about"CharlieShark said:
She asked if he was appealing, which if he disagrees with it, you'd think he would. But he didn't answer. He just carried on about a loophole that no-one knows anything about.Nigelb said:
He said they intended to close the loophole, and were already planning how to do it.MoonRabbit said:
I disagree, I think Kemi Badenoch was strong at PMQs today, because it was clear Starmer was not answering the question. The question was legal precedent has been set in court, what exactly are you going to do about it? And no answer came from Starmer. Kemi was right to keep pressing him on it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I think so. It's a mixture of poorly balanced and executed policy, and terrible behaviour.Sean_F said:
I doubt it matters any more. The Conservatives have lost the ability to appeal to voters aged under 65, so they'll just fade out, in favour of Reform.numbertwelve said:I used to think that Badenoch was safe until the next GE.
I now think Bobby J or Cleverly are going to be leader by the middle of the parliament.
The chatterati will lazily blame it on Brexit, as they seek to do with everything, but this trend stretches back 25-30 years in the Tory party.
Noticeable Bobby J sits beside her every single week. United front!
An answer she seemed unable to process.
Whether he's telling the truth is open to question. But you can't say he didn't answer.
If there was a better way of asking the question, Badenoch demonstrated she couldn't think of it.
That's the very best of epic fails. The loophole exists - found and exploited by the lawyers and validated by the judge. The loophole is definable as the Home Office are working on a change in the law to close it.
You know who you're talking about when you say "no-one knows anything about"? Its *the Tories*. Inept drafting of the law by *the Tories* and now an inability to understand their own actions by *the Tories*.
Not only did Kemi manage to fall into repeated bear traps of her own laying, she gifted Starmer the ability to detail just how inept the Tories were in government.
Whose law allowed the Palestinian family onto the Ukraine framework? *The Tories*
Who hired someone to WFM from Finland? *The Tories*0 -
The case for a European army to replace NATO is now surely indisputable. The Trump factor has rendered the whole NATO concept utterly redundant.0
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So what you're saying is that providing we ignore the majority of people who don't vote Tory, they are definitely on track to win?CharlieShark said:
People are really struggling to understand which media organisations are backing who. The Sun backed Labour. GB News is Reform.Gardenwalker said:GB News seem to have it in for Kemi as well.
She’s not long for this world.
Probably deservedly, I doubt there are many friends of Conservatives in the media. Even the Mail was half-hearted, just in an attempt to stop a Labour landslide. That was then, can only imagine now.0
