If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Minority Report style, you mean? I doubt many of those were originally banged up for what would be capital offences. Unless you're going to hang everyone convicted of any crime?
Why bother with a conviction: if the police said he did it, that's good enough for me.
In more anti-Semitism MAGA news, Andrew Kloster has been appointed as general counsel for the US government’s human resources agency, the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). He used to be counsel to Matt Gaetz (a man who needed a good lawyer).
That would be what the third worst election performance for the Tories since universal suffrage?
I consider that a shellacking.
A shellacking is not gaining 50 seats, Labour losing its majority after having won a landslide the previous GE would be more of a shellacking in terms of relative change
What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad
Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws
It’s from Kachin. $105
I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven cotton
“Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status
Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:
Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.
Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.
Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”
$105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
Is that your hotel room. I would be seriously concerned if you made your bed up every day like that in NW1.
HW1 is a bit suburban, n'est-ce pas?
I spent several years living in EC2.
EC2 is sweet
It’s my proud boast that I have lived in nearly all the “1s”
W1. SW1, EC1, N1, WC1, E1 and now NW1
Only one missing is SE1. But I’ll cope
A pedant notes: there are postcodes outside London too.
But that is quite remarkable. The average first number in my postcode is 13 1/8. If it's weighted by the length of time I've spent there it's 16.7. And that's someone who's lived somewhere fairly urban all his life (though my 1 "1" was DL1, so my least metropolitan address).
You must have a remarkably low average postcode score.
Actually this is true
The only other places I have lived in the UK are Hereford - HR4 - and Truro - TR1 - TR1!!
So, that’s 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4, 1
Mean postcode score of 1 1/3. Remarkable. My guess is that there will be no-one in the country with 9 (or more) different UK adresses with a lower score.
For contrast, can any pb-ers give us an unsually high score?
I love this kind of shit.
For me 90/5/2/2
So a mean score of 24.5
90?! The only 90 I know is Manchester Airport. Which presumably wasn't your address.
Hm. A bit of research also allows Worksop, Solihull and somewhere in Glasgow as possibilities
I am 90 (Solihull), 6, 2, 6, 3, 29, 8, 13
I was in OX1 for a bit. I hate my current postcode as I'm just outside by native and far superior CT and at the top numerical end of the very naff TN.
In London I was SE11, N19, N1 and SE10 so nothing to write home about there either. I am postcode declasse.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Much greater support for the death penalty for serial killers and terrorists who kill than for single murderers though, majority support for the former but not the latter except by a narrow margin for killing a police officer.
'Seven in ten would support capital punishment for serial murder or terrorism that results in death. A majority also backed using the death penalty against rapists, with 56 per cent in favour and 44 per cent opposed. A slim majority of 51 per cent to 49 per cent backed it for murdering a police officer. Some 46 per cent think that murder should warrant the punishment.'
Reform voters most in favour unsurprisingly, LDs most opposed
'Capital punishment is politically divisive. Of Conservative voters, 62 per cent support reintroducing the death penalty and 28 per cent oppose while for Labour, 49 per cent support it and 43 per cent oppose it.
Support is strongest among Reform UK voters, with 79 per cent supportive and just 14 per cent opposed. Of all UK political parties, including the Green Party, support is weakest among Liberal Democrat voters, of whom 37 per cent support it while 54 per cent oppose it.'
TBF to Parris, whilst he's a twat for doing it as the whole world knows already, he has the correct conclusion - take the motors out and pedestrianise / cycle.
There's the capacity, and it will get short / local journeys off the roads.
One in 20 members of the public even backed using capital punishment against shoplifters.
That's the didn't read, lobotomised, wind-up artist, or nutter demographic, surely?
I recall one where several percent of African-Americans thought slavery was a good thing.
No, that is the voice of desperation in the face of rising crime. Nothing else works, try this. Older PBers will remember so-called leftist Bill Clinton's 3-strikes law and life imprisonment for relatively minor offences.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad
Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws
It’s from Kachin. $105
I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven cotton
“Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status
Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:
Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.
Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.
Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”
$105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
Is that your hotel room. I would be seriously concerned if you made your bed up every day like that in NW1.
HW1 is a bit suburban, n'est-ce pas?
I spent several years living in EC2.
EC2 is sweet
It’s my proud boast that I have lived in nearly all the “1s”
W1. SW1, EC1, N1, WC1, E1 and now NW1
Only one missing is SE1. But I’ll cope
A pedant notes: there are postcodes outside London too.
But that is quite remarkable. The average first number in my postcode is 13 1/8. If it's weighted by the length of time I've spent there it's 16.7. And that's someone who's lived somewhere fairly urban all his life (though my 1 "1" was DL1, so my least metropolitan address).
You must have a remarkably low average postcode score.
Actually this is true
The only other places I have lived in the UK are Hereford - HR4 - and Truro - TR1 - TR1!!
So, that’s 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4, 1
Mean postcode score of 1 1/3. Remarkable. My guess is that there will be no-one in the country with 9 (or more) different UK adresses with a lower score.
For contrast, can any pb-ers give us an unsually high score?
I love this kind of shit.
For me 90/5/2/2
So a mean score of 24.5
90?! The only 90 I know is Manchester Airport. Which presumably wasn't your address.
Hm. A bit of research also allows Worksop, Solihull and somewhere in Glasgow as possibilities
I am 90 (Solihull), 6, 2, 6, 3, 29, 8, 13
I was in OX1 for a bit. I hate my current postcode as I'm just outside by native and far superior CT and at the top numerical end of the very naff TN.
In London I was SE11, N19, N1 and SE10 so nothing to write home about there either. I am postcode declasse.
30/34/14/16/4/5
Have you moved in the last few years? I thought you lived in Tameside (which would be the 14/16, I suppose). Looking to bring down your average postcode score, I guess.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Minority Report style, you mean? I doubt many of those were originally banged up for what would be capital offences. Unless you're going to hang everyone convicted of any crime?
Why bother with a conviction: if the police said he did it, that's good enough for me.
“All suspects are guilty. Period. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be suspect.”
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
One in 20 members of the public even backed using capital punishment against shoplifters.
That's the didn't read, lobotomised, wind-up artist, or nutter demographic, surely?
I recall one where several percent of African-Americans thought slavery was a good thing.
Slavery gets shit done.
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour.
Slavery did not exactly work for the Third Reich.
Slavery is probably effective (not moral obvs.) if the slaves are picking cotton, or working in fields or a quarry, or building a monument from stone blocks.
It is probably much less effective if the slaves are making a rocket or a jet engine.
I've been around round round round, I've been around.
In the words of Willie Rushton:
I’ve been as far as Orpington, Tufnell Park and Golders Green Seen the Northern Lights of Harlesden and visited East Sheen I’ve travelled out to Ongar on the dear old Central Line I even went to Ruislip in nineteen forty nine I’ve been far south as Tooting Bec, where sheep may safely graze And I sometimes think it’s hard to say where I’d like to end my days But then I shout, Oh Arthur! What a berk you are! There’s that little place you love just off the North Circular They call it Neasden....
No, she wouldn't make the best Prime Minister. But she is probably the best Prime Minister in the present House of Commons.
That's a bit like saying that syphilis is the best STD to catch.
In that it’s factually untrue. (Chlamydia clearly a preferable STD to catch.)
He said, 'best', not 'most preferable'. So it depends how you define 'best'. (I'd agree that Chlam is 'preferable'.) It's like Harold Shipman being described as the UK's worst serial killer. I'd describe him as the UK's best serial killier. The UK's worst serial killer is one of the presumably numerous people who have killed exactly 2 people. (Someone who has committed one murder is not a serial killer, and someone who has committed no murders is not a killer at all.)
What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad
Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws
It’s from Kachin. $105
I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven cotton
“Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status
Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:
Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.
Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.
Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”
$105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
Is that your hotel room. I would be seriously concerned if you made your bed up every day like that in NW1.
HW1 is a bit suburban, n'est-ce pas?
I spent several years living in EC2.
EC2 is sweet
It’s my proud boast that I have lived in nearly all the “1s”
W1. SW1, EC1, N1, WC1, E1 and now NW1
Only one missing is SE1. But I’ll cope
A pedant notes: there are postcodes outside London too.
But that is quite remarkable. The average first number in my postcode is 13 1/8. If it's weighted by the length of time I've spent there it's 16.7. And that's someone who's lived somewhere fairly urban all his life (though my 1 "1" was DL1, so my least metropolitan address).
You must have a remarkably low average postcode score.
Actually this is true
The only other places I have lived in the UK are Hereford - HR4 - and Truro - TR1 - TR1!!
So, that’s 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4, 1
Mean postcode score of 1 1/3. Remarkable. My guess is that there will be no-one in the country with 9 (or more) different UK adresses with a lower score.
For contrast, can any pb-ers give us an unsually high score?
I love this kind of shit.
For me 90/5/2/2
So a mean score of 24.5
90?! The only 90 I know is Manchester Airport. Which presumably wasn't your address.
Hm. A bit of research also allows Worksop, Solihull and somewhere in Glasgow as possibilities
I am 90 (Solihull), 6, 2, 6, 3, 29, 8, 13
I was in OX1 for a bit. I hate my current postcode as I'm just outside by native and far superior CT and at the top numerical end of the very naff TN.
In London I was SE11, N19, N1 and SE10 so nothing to write home about there either. I am postcode declasse.
30/34/14/16/4/5
Have you moved in the last few years? I thought you lived in Tameside (which would be the 14/16, I suppose). Looking to bring down your average postcode score, I guess.
There are 2 Tameside addresses from my childhood and young adulthood, but a 14 to 16 move?, wash your mouth out.
I've long been West Yorkshire based, but within quick bolting distance of the right side.
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour."
Many archaeologists disagree: "There is a consensus among Egyptologists that the Great Pyramids were not built by slaves.[19][20][21] According to noted archeologists Mark Lehner and Zahi Hawass, the pyramids were not built by slaves; Hawass's archeological discoveries in the 1990s in Cairo show the workers were paid laborers rather than slaves.[22][20][23][24] Rather it was farmers who built the pyramids during flooding, when they could not work their lands,"
"There is no evidence of "traitors" in Canada's parliament plotting with foreign governments to interfere with elections, a Canadian public inquiry has said.
The foreign interference commission's final report, released on Tuesday, said attempts by foreign states to meddle in recent elections were "troubling" but had "minimal impact"."
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
The murders would also not have occurred had the murderers simply been in prison.
If anyone that should receive the death penalty under a capital system is, instead, kept in prison for life then the risk to the public* from either system is the same.
*you can of course argue about risks to prison staff/other inmates/possibility of escape etc, but then you have to balance against that the risks of execution for those wrongly convicted who do eventually get released when convictions are overturned
No, she wouldn't make the best Prime Minister. But she is probably the best Prime Minister in the present House of Commons.
That's a bit like saying that syphilis is the best STD to catch.
In that it’s factually untrue. (Chlamydia clearly a preferable STD to catch.)
He said, 'best', not 'most preferable'. So it depends how you define 'best'. (I'd agree that Chlam is 'preferable'.) It's like Harold Shipman being described as the UK's worst serial killer. I'd describe him as the UK's best serial killier. The UK's worst serial killer is one of the presumably numerous people who have killed exactly 2 people. (Someone who has committed one murder is not a serial killer, and someone who has committed no murders is not a killer at all.)
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I think volume is the wrong measure, or at least incomplete. Probably some kind of scoring system needed with judges.
Or, the best serial killers are those we don't know about, I guess (after all, if you're really good at your trade, why would you be caught or - potentially - even detected?).
Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.
If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
Every week I go to the cash point and take out a fixed amount of cash. It helps me budget during the week. I also get the slip that tells me how much money I have and enter that in a spreadsheet. I have been doing that for more decades than I like to think.
Just go the whole hog and fucking move into Beamish.
I think the cashpoints in the 1820s still used CRTs, and only worked if the rubber band was wound up.
Nah, they were getting really excited about the new steam engines with mechanical processing. Mr Babbage and all that.
That was all TechBroHype. Government invested a fortune and got nothing. The mechanical computing market collapsed for decades.
Clement and then Whitworth made fortunes of delivering bit for machines that were never built. They used the money to build their own businesses at government expense.
The financial enquiry still hasn’t reported - the specific enquiry into the usefulness of the project showed it was a waste of time.
Isn't that being more than a little unfair on Joey Whitworth?
Clement, in particular, optimised his return from the Difference Machine contracts. Rather well.
Whitworth wasn’t far behind.
Do you have any details on that please, as I've not heard of that accusation before. Joseph Whitworth was twelve years younger than Babbage, and twenty-four younger than Clement. He was just thirty when the Difference Engine project was scrapped by the government, so was hardly a senior partner in the relationship. Besides, AIUI he only started working for Clement in 1830, and Clement and Babbage's falling out was the year after.
Given what they were trying to do, and Babbage's need for unprecedented precision, it is unsurprising they had massive difficulties in making the thing. Probably not helped by Babbage's many changes of plan...
"There is no evidence of "traitors" in Canada's parliament plotting with foreign governments to interfere with elections, a Canadian public inquiry has said.
The foreign interference commission's final report, released on Tuesday, said attempts by foreign states to meddle in recent elections were "troubling" but had "minimal impact"."
When I lived in Aberystwyth it took me a while to figure out what SY represents.
viewcode: what does SY represent in Aberystwyth postcodes copilot: The "SY" in Aberystwyth postcodes stands for the Shrewsbury postcode area. The SY postcode area covers a large region, including parts of Shropshire, north Powys, north Ceredigion, and some areas in north Herefordshire, south Cheshire, and Wrexham County Borough2.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
That's not the point. Some of these people will initially doubtless have been convicted of drugs offences, or other serious offences, others will not. Some will have been on community sentences for, say, criminal damage, or TWOC, or benefit fraud. Getting back to the point, you're advocating hanging every single one of these individuals because they might have gone on to commit murder. Which is a form of preventative human culling. Quite the step.
Unless they work in tunnel maintenance or design, someone deciding they want to talk through the Rotherhithe tunnel instantly disqualifies them from having anything useful to say about life.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
Christ almighty that set you off on one.
Home Secretary, shit Defence Barrister and hanger and flogger David Waddington would have been happy to see his innocent client Stefan Kizsko swing. That case alone is enough for me. Perhaps when you rid the nation of dodgy cops and shit Defence Lawyers perhaps you can revisit.*
Gen Z are today's youth and more opposed, millennials are now approaching middle age
'Generation Z, who are aged between 18 and 26, are the most conflicted over the return of the death penalty, with 45 per cent in favour, 42 per cent against and 14 per cent unsure.
Most of the baby boomer generation — aged 60-74 — are in favour by a margin of 58 to 34 per cent, while 50 per cent of the over-75s are supportive and 37 per cent against.'
Ah ok, thank heavens for that. It'd be a worry if young people were more up for executions than older generations. Millennials are youth to me. Guess that's where I went wrong there.
I find it interesting how very old people are often more liberal than the cohort a notch or two younger. I think this is because of a WW2 hinterland and how this makes you nurture a better, more idealistic self.
Gen Z are today's youth and more opposed, millennials are now approaching middle age
'Generation Z, who are aged between 18 and 26, are the most conflicted over the return of the death penalty, with 45 per cent in favour, 42 per cent against and 14 per cent unsure.
Most of the baby boomer generation — aged 60-74 — are in favour by a margin of 58 to 34 per cent, while 50 per cent of the over-75s are supportive and 37 per cent against.'
Ah ok, thank heavens for that. It'd be a worry if young people were more up for executions than older generations. Millennials are youth to me. Guess that's where I went wrong there.
I find it interesting how very old people are often more liberal than the cohort a notch or two younger. I think this is because of a WW2 hinterland and how this makes you nurture a better, more idealistic self.
The 80+ crowd are also a bit less engaged on social media. A lot of the most loony types are those who retired and live their lives on facebook. Those are the ones who think London is under sharia law etc.
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
You do realise that despite your world view, the UK havent had liberals in charge of much for the last few decades? Either authoritartian left or right have been more dominant than brief periods of Clegg, Cameron or Clarke being involved.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
That's not the point. Some of these people will initially doubtless have been convicted of drugs offences, or other serious offences, others will not. Some will have been on community sentences for, say, criminal damage, or TWOC, or benefit fraud. Getting back to the point, you're advocating hanging every single one of these individuals because they might have gone on to commit murder. Which is a form of preventative human culling. Quite the step.
Even just hanging the killers would save dozens of people per decade:
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
I am relieved you are not a hanger and flogger. I am somewhat surprised. However the "educated almost exclusively by leftists" comment requires a citation or a sack of salt.
The Trump ban on federal employee WFH and the hiring freeze may have looked smart on paper but in my little corner of the world it is going to cause a huge amount of damage.
Around 95% of US Patent and Trademark Office staff, including examiners and judicial personnel, work remotely. All are highly skilled, highly qualified and highly coveted. They have all just been told they have to return to the office. The problem is (1) the office is not big enough (it can house 25% of staff max); (2) most staff do not live within commutable distance anyway; and (3) they can al move to other jobs pretty easily.
So, the upshot is that the backlog of examinations is likely to grow very quickly, meaning US companies that want patents are going to have to wait far longer to get them, while disputes about grants will also take much longer to resolve. The impact on smaller businesses looking for investment will be significant and hugely negative.
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
Checks notes, millennials are people born between 1981 and 1996, I am fairly certain most of them would have been educated under Tory governments, for the most part.
I mean over the last 44 years, 31 one of those years were when we had Tory governments or Tory led governments.
I've been around round round round, I've been around.
That's a lot of addresses. But again, there's a world outside London - aren't you from Yorkshire?
Indeed I am. Plus some sojourns abroad.
But yes it's a lot of London addresses due to moving around so much. I didn't what you might call "settle" until I was 46. I suppose this is why I'm not your normal 64 year old. I've only been settled for 18 years so it makes me more like, say, 50.
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
Checks notes, millennials are people born between 1981 and 1996, I am fairly certain most of them would have been educated under Tory governments, for the most part.
I mean over the last 44 years, 31 one of those years were when we had Tory governments or Tory led governments.
As long as you count New Labour as a sort of Tory Govt 😬
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
Checks notes, millennials are people born between 1981 and 1996, I am fairly certain most of them would have been educated under Tory governments, for the most part.
I mean over the last 44 years, 31 one of those years were when we had Tory governments or Tory led governments.
It's odd when they're the ones who've been educated almost exclusively by leftists. Maybe it's some sort of backlash. I'm not happy because I'm against the death penalty.
Checks notes, millennials are people born between 1981 and 1996, I am fairly certain most of them would have been educated under Tory governments, for the most part.
I mean over the last 44 years, 31 one of those years were when we had Tory governments or Tory led governments.
That article in the Mail proves they are a bunch of woke snowflakes, they say
He used the sordid term, which refers to three-way sex, about his BBC colleague Janette Manrara. It’s about as crude and offensive a suggestion as you can make.
I can think of at least 100 more crude and offensive suggestions than that.
A search on the Waily Mail website reveals hundreds of references, as would be expected.
The Trump ban on federal employee WFH and the hiring freeze may have looked smart on paper but in my little corner of the world it is going to cause a huge amount of damage.
Around 95% of US Patent and Trademark Office staff, including examiners and judicial personnel, work remotely. All are highly skilled, highly qualified and highly coveted. They have all just been told they have to return to the office. The problem is (1) the office is not big enough (it can house 25% of staff max); (2) most staff do not live within commutable distance anyway; and (3) they can al move to other jobs pretty easily.
So, the upshot is that the backlog of examinations is likely to grow very quickly, meaning US companies that want patents are going to have to wait far longer to get them, while disputes about grants will also take much longer to resolve. The impact on smaller businesses looking for investment will be significant and hugely negative.
This whole thing is a Musk wheeze. Move fast and break things is the silicon valley bro approach.
We’re going to find out how much breakage the US can take I guess.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Much greater support for the death penalty for serial killers and terrorists who kill than for single murderers though, majority support for the former but not the latter except by a narrow margin for killing a police officer.
'Seven in ten would support capital punishment for serial murder or terrorism that results in death. A majority also backed using the death penalty against rapists, with 56 per cent in favour and 44 per cent opposed. A slim majority of 51 per cent to 49 per cent backed it for murdering a police officer. Some 46 per cent think that murder should warrant the punishment.'
Reform voters most in favour unsurprisingly, LDs most opposed
'Capital punishment is politically divisive. Of Conservative voters, 62 per cent support reintroducing the death penalty and 28 per cent oppose while for Labour, 49 per cent support it and 43 per cent oppose it.
Support is strongest among Reform UK voters, with 79 per cent supportive and just 14 per cent opposed. Of all UK political parties, including the Green Party, support is weakest among Liberal Democrat voters, of whom 37 per cent support it while 54 per cent oppose it.'
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
That's not the point. Some of these people will initially doubtless have been convicted of drugs offences, or other serious offences, others will not. Some will have been on community sentences for, say, criminal damage, or TWOC, or benefit fraud. Getting back to the point, you're advocating hanging every single one of these individuals because they might have gone on to commit murder. Which is a form of preventative human culling. Quite the step.
Even just hanging the killers would save dozens of people per decade:
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11, statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.
Even when we had capital punishment, most murderers had their death sentences commuted to life imprisonment, which then as now, meant release after 10+ years.
In reality, public opinion would not accept that *all* murderers should be executed, only the worst. But, the devil is in the detail, of deciding which are the worst.
In general, I think it's easier to accept capital punishment in war (if we're killing the enemy, why bother to let traitors and spies live?), and in the immediate aftermath of it, for war criminals, than in peace time.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
No the point is that you got caught posting misleading horseshit yet again, and now you're shamelessly trying to bullshit your way out of it.
The Trump ban on federal employee WFH and the hiring freeze may have looked smart on paper but in my little corner of the world it is going to cause a huge amount of damage.
Around 95% of US Patent and Trademark Office staff, including examiners and judicial personnel, work remotely. All are highly skilled, highly qualified and highly coveted. They have all just been told they have to return to the office. The problem is (1) the office is not big enough (it can house 25% of staff max); (2) most staff do not live within commutable distance anyway; and (3) they can al move to other jobs pretty easily.
So, the upshot is that the backlog of examinations is likely to grow very quickly, meaning US companies that want patents are going to have to wait far longer to get them, while disputes about grants will also take much longer to resolve. The impact on smaller businesses looking for investment will be significant and hugely negative.
This whole thing is a Musk wheeze. Move fast and break things is the silicon valley bro approach.
We’re going to find out how much breakage the US can take I guess.
Yes, the septic tank is heading the way of a failed state with all the grant freezes from the NIH, foreign aid, medicaid, redundancies etc.
It will be interesting to see how people cope. It's good to be a safe distance away.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
That's not the point. Some of these people will initially doubtless have been convicted of drugs offences, or other serious offences, others will not. Some will have been on community sentences for, say, criminal damage, or TWOC, or benefit fraud. Getting back to the point, you're advocating hanging every single one of these individuals because they might have gone on to commit murder. Which is a form of preventative human culling. Quite the step.
Even just hanging the killers would save dozens of people per decade:
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11, statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.
Even when we had capital punishment, most murderers had their death sentences commuted to life imprisonment, which then as now, meant release after 10+ years.
In reality, public opinion would not accept that *all* murderers should be executed, only the worst. But, the devil is in the detail, of deciding which are the worst.
The Birmingham 6, Bridgewater 4, Guildford 4, Cardiff 3, Judith Ward and Stefan Kizsko would have been slam dunk swingers
The Trump ban on federal employee WFH and the hiring freeze may have looked smart on paper but in my little corner of the world it is going to cause a huge amount of damage.
Around 95% of US Patent and Trademark Office staff, including examiners and judicial personnel, work remotely. All are highly skilled, highly qualified and highly coveted. They have all just been told they have to return to the office. The problem is (1) the office is not big enough (it can house 25% of staff max); (2) most staff do not live within commutable distance anyway; and (3) they can al move to other jobs pretty easily.
So, the upshot is that the backlog of examinations is likely to grow very quickly, meaning US companies that want patents are going to have to wait far longer to get them, while disputes about grants will also take much longer to resolve. The impact on smaller businesses looking for investment will be significant and hugely negative.
This whole thing is a Musk wheeze. Move fast and break things is the silicon valley bro approach.
We’re going to find out how much breakage the US can take I guess.
Yes, the septic tank is heading the way of a failed state with all the grant freezes from the NIH, foreign aid, medicaid, redundancies etc.
It will be interesting to see how people cope. It's good to be a safe distance away.
Errr ... plenty of airliners full of bird flu (human-adapted variety) coming to an airport near you ere long?
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Much greater support for the death penalty for serial killers and terrorists who kill than for single murderers though, majority support for the former but not the latter except by a narrow margin for killing a police officer.
'Seven in ten would support capital punishment for serial murder or terrorism that results in death. A majority also backed using the death penalty against rapists, with 56 per cent in favour and 44 per cent opposed. A slim majority of 51 per cent to 49 per cent backed it for murdering a police officer. Some 46 per cent think that murder should warrant the punishment.'
Reform voters most in favour unsurprisingly, LDs most opposed
'Capital punishment is politically divisive. Of Conservative voters, 62 per cent support reintroducing the death penalty and 28 per cent oppose while for Labour, 49 per cent support it and 43 per cent oppose it.
Support is strongest among Reform UK voters, with 79 per cent supportive and just 14 per cent opposed. Of all UK political parties, including the Green Party, support is weakest among Liberal Democrat voters, of whom 37 per cent support it while 54 per cent oppose it.'
(Narrator: the "1" code in the postcode suffix/inward code indicates the post sorting office for the area and is not necessarily the centre of town)
Over Christmas I was speaking to a relative in his seventies, who hadn't realized until that point that the RH in his postcode stood for Red Hill.
When I lived in Aberystwyth it took me a while to figure out what SY represents.
Abertawe.
Edit: ha, no it isn’t, I too lived there and had it wrong all that time!
That's Swansea.
They should have made it AM or AW just to confuse the fuck out of everybody.
Especially HD2, late of this board, who groused loudly about getting notices in Welsh from RM despite living in Shropshire, because Shrewsbury covered the Mid Wales area.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
That's not the point. Some of these people will initially doubtless have been convicted of drugs offences, or other serious offences, others will not. Some will have been on community sentences for, say, criminal damage, or TWOC, or benefit fraud. Getting back to the point, you're advocating hanging every single one of these individuals because they might have gone on to commit murder. Which is a form of preventative human culling. Quite the step.
Even just hanging the killers would save dozens of people per decade:
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11, statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.
Even when we had capital punishment, most murderers had their death sentences commuted to life imprisonment, which then as now, meant release after 10+ years.
In reality, public opinion would not accept that *all* murderers should be executed, only the worst. But, the devil is in the detail, of deciding which are the worst.
The Birmingham 6, Bridgewater 4, Guildford 4, Cardiff 3, Judith Ward and Stefan Kizsko would have been slam dunk swingers
I can never understand why the women who lied about Kizsko for shit and giggles, were never prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
One in 20 members of the public even backed using capital punishment against shoplifters.
That's the didn't read, lobotomised, wind-up artist, or nutter demographic, surely?
I recall one where several percent of African-Americans thought slavery was a good thing.
Slavery gets shit done.
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour.
Don't be silly, that was extra-terrestrials!
Pyramids are anyway shit. And hardly feats of engineering at all. There's a reason nobody's bothered building any since the ancient Egyptians - they're pointless, boring and a complete waste of time, space and money.
Quite the political earthquake in Germany today. Merz working with the AfD to obtain a majority in parliament will make another grand coalition harder for the SPD to accept.
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Much greater support for the death penalty for serial killers and terrorists who kill than for single murderers though, majority support for the former but not the latter except by a narrow margin for killing a police officer.
'Seven in ten would support capital punishment for serial murder or terrorism that results in death. A majority also backed using the death penalty against rapists, with 56 per cent in favour and 44 per cent opposed. A slim majority of 51 per cent to 49 per cent backed it for murdering a police officer. Some 46 per cent think that murder should warrant the punishment.'
Reform voters most in favour unsurprisingly, LDs most opposed
'Capital punishment is politically divisive. Of Conservative voters, 62 per cent support reintroducing the death penalty and 28 per cent oppose while for Labour, 49 per cent support it and 43 per cent oppose it.
Support is strongest among Reform UK voters, with 79 per cent supportive and just 14 per cent opposed. Of all UK political parties, including the Green Party, support is weakest among Liberal Democrat voters, of whom 37 per cent support it while 54 per cent oppose it.'
If you go back to the second world war, public support for the death penalty has been pretty consistently above 50%, with dips below whenever there are obvious miscarriages of justice. Imagine if we'd hanged the Guilford Four, for example.
Just imagine if we'd hanged the people who commited these murders:
More than 750 killings since 2010 carried out by criminals on probation
Unless I am misunderstanding you mean we should have hanged them for the initial offence so they wouldn't have committed the murders on probation? Nearly all were on probation for offenses other than murder when they committed the murders - only 20 were out on licence having served the minimum custodial element for life sentences. So I think you're suggesting we apply the death penalty pre-emptively for less serious offences, unless you meant something else, which is quite the step.
The point is that the ledger has two sides when considering the risks to innocent people, but it's true that there's no reason why murder should be the only capital offence, unless you believe in a strict 'eye for an eye' policy.
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
That's not the point. Some of these people will initially doubtless have been convicted of drugs offences, or other serious offences, others will not. Some will have been on community sentences for, say, criminal damage, or TWOC, or benefit fraud. Getting back to the point, you're advocating hanging every single one of these individuals because they might have gone on to commit murder. Which is a form of preventative human culling. Quite the step.
Even just hanging the killers would save dozens of people per decade:
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11, statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.
Even when we had capital punishment, most murderers had their death sentences commuted to life imprisonment, which then as now, meant release after 10+ years.
In reality, public opinion would not accept that *all* murderers should be executed, only the worst. But, the devil is in the detail, of deciding which are the worst.
The Birmingham 6, Bridgewater 4, Guildford 4, Cardiff 3, Judith Ward and Stefan Kizsko would have been slam dunk swingers
I can never understand why the women who lied about Kizsko for shit and giggles, were never prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
Detectives were also as dodgy as f***. Weren't they aware at trial that Kizsco was physically incapable of leaving the key evidence at the crime scene because he had a medical condition that meant he couldn't produce semen?
The trial of the Coppers who fitted up the Cardiff 3 was either a hilarious comedy of errors or a disgusting cover up. South Wales Police "lost" all the evidence on the eve of trial so the accused Coppers walked free. After the verdicts the file was found again. Handy, that.
Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.
If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
Every week I go to the cash point and take out a fixed amount of cash. It helps me budget during the week. I also get the slip that tells me how much money I have and enter that in a spreadsheet. I have been doing that for more decades than I like to think.
Just go the whole hog and fucking move into Beamish.
I think the cashpoints in the 1820s still used CRTs, and only worked if the rubber band was wound up.
Nah, they were getting really excited about the new steam engines with mechanical processing. Mr Babbage and all that.
That was all TechBroHype. Government invested a fortune and got nothing. The mechanical computing market collapsed for decades.
Clement and then Whitworth made fortunes of delivering bit for machines that were never built. They used the money to build their own businesses at government expense.
The financial enquiry still hasn’t reported - the specific enquiry into the usefulness of the project showed it was a waste of time.
Isn't that being more than a little unfair on Joey Whitworth?
Clement, in particular, optimised his return from the Difference Machine contracts. Rather well.
Whitworth wasn’t far behind.
Do you have any details on that please, as I've not heard of that accusation before. Joseph Whitworth was twelve years younger than Babbage, and twenty-four younger than Clement. He was just thirty when the Difference Engine project was scrapped by the government, so was hardly a senior partner in the relationship. Besides, AIUI he only started working for Clement in 1830, and Clement and Babbage's falling out was the year after.
Given what they were trying to do, and Babbage's need for unprecedented precision, it is unsurprising they had massive difficulties in making the thing. Probably not helped by Babbage's many changes of plan...
Not really an accusation. The government ended up with nothing. Babbage kinda complete the design to Diff Eng 2 - but never finished building anything. Clement and Whitworth built big businesses on the back of it.
Whitworth started his own company while working for Clement, effectively becoming a subcontractor.
https://amzn.eu/d/fExZUwr is a good book on the overall project, why it failed and the fun with actually building No. 2
One in 20 members of the public even backed using capital punishment against shoplifters.
That's the didn't read, lobotomised, wind-up artist, or nutter demographic, surely?
I recall one where several percent of African-Americans thought slavery was a good thing.
Slavery gets shit done.
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour.
Don't be silly, that was extra-terrestrials!
Pyramids are anyway shit. And hardly feats of engineering at all. There's a reason nobody's bothered building any since the ancient Egyptians - they're pointless, boring and a complete waste of time, space and money.
One in 20 members of the public even backed using capital punishment against shoplifters.
That's the didn't read, lobotomised, wind-up artist, or nutter demographic, surely?
I recall one where several percent of African-Americans thought slavery was a good thing.
Slavery gets shit done.
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour.
Don't be silly, that was extra-terrestrials!
Pyramids are anyway shit. And hardly feats of engineering at all. There's a reason nobody's bothered building any since the ancient Egyptians - they're pointless, boring and a complete waste of time, space and money.
That's a bit historically challenged.
Let's remember President Mitterand, but also that there is a big, blue one in Stockport.
Just like a larger version of the one Fergie used to desport herself beneath.
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https://www.pogo.org/investigations/raging-misogynist-now-federal-government-h-r-s-top-lawyer
He once complained, “Hollywood is populated with Kabbalists”. He once tweeted, “I need a woman who looks like she got punched.”
Large groups both in support of and opposed to him, a very polarising character.
I recall one where several percent of African-Americans thought slavery was a good thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLK-64GR6c
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour.
(This is one of pb's more esoteric threads.)
'Seven in ten would support capital punishment for serial murder or terrorism that results in death.
A majority also backed using the death penalty against rapists, with 56 per cent in favour and 44 per cent opposed. A slim majority of 51 per cent to 49 per cent backed it for murdering a police officer.
Some 46 per cent think that murder should warrant the punishment.'
Reform voters most in favour unsurprisingly, LDs most opposed
'Capital punishment is politically divisive. Of Conservative voters, 62 per cent support reintroducing the death penalty and 28 per cent oppose while for Labour, 49 per cent support it and 43 per cent oppose it.
Support is strongest among Reform UK voters, with 79 per cent supportive and just 14 per cent opposed. Of all UK political parties, including the Green Party, support is weakest among Liberal Democrat voters, of whom 37 per cent support it while 54 per cent oppose it.'
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/majority-britons-support-death-penalty-poll-scw7glncg
There's the capacity, and it will get short / local journeys off the roads.
I've been around round round round, I've been around.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves
From the greatest police documentary ever - https://youtu.be/5HO70-Rk3jE?si=ecIMK26sr2hxg3q_
Take Singapore's policy of executing people for drug trafficking for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtVUYtMBPFw
"This is not a matter discussed between the chancellor and me. Its a Singapore issue. We have stated our position clearly. We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death. In this case it was an enormous amount of drugs being trafficked. Its nearly 400 grammes of pure heroin, which is equivalent to 26,000 doses of heroin if you do it shot by shot. Which means untold misery and suffering to hundreds if not thousands of addicts and their families. The man was charged, convicted, appealed, dismissed. He put up a clemency petition. The clemency petition was considered all factors were taken into account including petitions and letters from Australian leaders. Finally the government decided the law had to take its course. And the law will have to take its course."
It is probably much less effective if the slaves are making a rocket or a jet engine.
I’ve been as far as Orpington, Tufnell Park and Golders Green
Seen the Northern Lights of Harlesden and visited East Sheen
I’ve travelled out to Ongar on the dear old Central Line
I even went to Ruislip in nineteen forty nine
I’ve been far south as Tooting Bec, where sheep may safely graze
And I sometimes think it’s hard to say where I’d like to end my days
But then I shout, Oh Arthur! What a berk you are!
There’s that little place you love just off the North Circular
They call it Neasden....
So it depends how you define 'best'. (I'd agree that Chlam is 'preferable'.)
It's like Harold Shipman being described as the UK's worst serial killer. I'd describe him as the UK's best serial killier. The UK's worst serial killer is one of the presumably numerous people who have killed exactly 2 people. (Someone who has committed one murder is not a serial killer, and someone who has committed no murders is not a killer at all.)
pedantic-betting.com
I've long been West Yorkshire based, but within quick bolting distance of the right side.
Best feat in engineering are the Pyramids, all thanks to slave labour."
Many archaeologists disagree:
"There is a consensus among Egyptologists that the Great Pyramids were not built by slaves.[19][20][21] According to noted archeologists Mark Lehner and Zahi Hawass, the pyramids were not built by slaves; Hawass's archeological discoveries in the 1990s in Cairo show the workers were paid laborers rather than slaves.[22][20][23][24] Rather it was farmers who built the pyramids during flooding, when they could not work their lands,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
Mauretania, where about 10 percent of the population are slaves, is not noted for being remarkably productive.
Yes, I know, TSE is mostly joking, but the existence of modern slavery is not a matter that it is easy to joke about.
If you haven't read Francis Bok's autobiography, you ought to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bok
The foreign interference commission's final report, released on Tuesday, said attempts by foreign states to meddle in recent elections were "troubling" but had "minimal impact"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y0nkd132o
If anyone that should receive the death penalty under a capital system is, instead, kept in prison for life then the risk to the public* from either system is the same.
*you can of course argue about risks to prison staff/other inmates/possibility of escape etc, but then you have to balance against that the risks of execution for those wrongly convicted who do eventually get released when convictions are overturned
Or, the best serial killers are those we don't know about, I guess (after all, if you're really good at your trade, why would you be caught or - potentially - even detected?).
Given what they were trying to do, and Babbage's need for unprecedented precision, it is unsurprising they had massive difficulties in making the thing. Probably not helped by Babbage's many changes of plan...
( https://archives.imeche.org/archive/industrial/whitworth/593877-1856-1857-sir-joseph-whitworth )
copilot: The "SY" in Aberystwyth postcodes stands for the Shrewsbury postcode area. The SY postcode area covers a large region, including parts of Shropshire, north Powys, north Ceredigion, and some areas in north Herefordshire, south Cheshire, and Wrexham County Borough2.
https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/egyptian-laborers-strike-pay-1170-bce
Home Secretary, shit Defence Barrister and hanger and flogger David Waddington would have been happy to see his innocent client Stefan Kizsko swing. That case alone is enough for me. Perhaps when you rid the nation of dodgy cops and shit Defence Lawyers perhaps you can revisit.*
* There will always be bent coppers.
(I imagine most of you can think of similar programs in the UK.)
I find it interesting how very old people are often more liberal than the cohort a notch or two younger. I think this is because of a WW2 hinterland and how this makes you nurture a better, more idealistic self.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16638227
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11, statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.
Around 95% of US Patent and Trademark Office staff, including examiners and judicial personnel, work remotely. All are highly skilled, highly qualified and highly coveted. They have all just been told they have to return to the office. The problem is (1) the office is not big enough (it can house 25% of staff max); (2) most staff do not live within commutable distance anyway; and (3) they can al move to other jobs pretty easily.
So, the upshot is that the backlog of examinations is likely to grow very quickly, meaning US companies that want patents are going to have to wait far longer to get them, while disputes about grants will also take much longer to resolve. The impact on smaller businesses looking for investment will be significant and hugely negative.
I mean over the last 44 years, 31 one of those years were when we had Tory governments or Tory led governments.
But yes it's a lot of London addresses due to moving around so much. I didn't what you might call "settle" until I was 46. I suppose this is why I'm not your normal 64 year old. I've only been settled for 18 years so it makes me more like, say, 50.
* Niche
We’re going to find out how much breakage the US can take I guess.
In reality, public opinion would not accept that *all* murderers should be executed, only the worst. But, the devil is in the detail, of deciding which are the worst.
In general, I think it's easier to accept capital punishment in war (if we're killing the enemy, why bother to let traitors and spies live?), and in the immediate aftermath of it, for war criminals, than in peace time.
It will be interesting to see how people cope. It's good to be a safe distance away.
Especially HD2, late of this board, who groused loudly about getting notices in Welsh from RM despite living in Shropshire, because Shrewsbury covered the Mid Wales area.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/auschwitz-befreiung-am-27-januar-1945-wuerdigung-der-ns-opfer-im-bundestag-a-21bbe591-3b68-4f10-988d-0360967a0201
Die Inkaufnahme der AfD-Stimmen im Bundestag, um eine Mehrheit zu erreichen, ist ein Tabubruch, der bleiben wird.
Labour 25%
Reform 24%
Conservatives 20%
Greens 13% (!!!!)
LibDems 12%
SNP 3%
Others 3%
I have never heard of Whitestone before. That Green number looks way too high.
The trial of the Coppers who fitted up the Cardiff 3 was either a hilarious comedy of errors or a disgusting cover up. South Wales Police "lost" all the evidence on the eve of trial so the accused Coppers walked free. After the verdicts the file was found again. Handy, that.
Whitworth started his own company while working for Clement, effectively becoming a subcontractor.
https://amzn.eu/d/fExZUwr is a good book on the overall project, why it failed and the fun with actually building No. 2
Hmm.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0306690 (free access)
Let's remember President Mitterand, but also that there is a big, blue one in Stockport.
Just like a larger version of the one Fergie used to desport herself beneath.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4078402,-2.1744073,3a,75y,272.18h,101.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJC_YFPG9WszqynggFYr8xQ!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=-11.841045419868365&panoid=JC_YFPG9WszqynggFYr8xQ&yaw=272.18101467875294!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
(A pyramid could make sense on three sides as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trombe_wall or Solar Conservatories.)