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So it begins. The elephant in the 2028 presidential election room – politicalbetting.com

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  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    That's why he got the votes.

    It'd be like the Tories or Reform actually doing something, here.
    Only the predominant source of net migration to the UK is regular (a large chunk of which helps to keep the listing health and social care sectors just about afloat,) and starting a trade war with the European Union to try to force the French to take the boat people back would be unlikely to end well.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    Taz said:

    The last two were before my time.
    Tim was fine.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,086

    Tim was fine.
    Never knew him so cannot really offer a view.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,588
    kyf_100 said:

    I left this site after you described all trans women as 'mutilated men', which would include my partner.

    What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    Done with this place - but please get off your high horse, you dish it out as much as anyone else.
    Ahem - you were gleefully posting abuse at me (including your despicable refusal to display any sort of empathy with female rape victims put at risk by men in rape crisis centres) while I was still here and again about me in my absence long after I left this site earlier last year and stating your hope that I would not return. So to be accurate I left first and in part because of you.

    And today is the first I have ever heard anything about your partner. All transwomen remain of the male sex. Not all have surgery of course. The majority of trans identified males do not have surgery. And that all trans identified males (without a GRC) remain of the male sex is the official position of the Scottish government, as it expressly made clear during its arguments to the Supreme Court in November on the precise question of what the consequences of a GRC are. According to the Scottish government transwomen (without a GRC) are men - not women. I must have missed it being accused of transphobia by the usual suspects.

    That this is the complete opposite of what the Scottish government has previously said in Holyrood and elsewhere and what many of their supporters believe and repeat at every turn is one of the many bizarre aspects of this issue. But maybe the SC judgment will clear this up. Or maybe not.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045
    Taz said:

    Indeed, as you proved with that dig at me for no good reason. Yet you act all butthurt and play the victim when you receive a minor doing back. 🤷‍♂️

    I’m getting the word……..hypocrite.

    Oh and your use of smileys is something I care nothing about and have never offered an opinion on.
    ".. that dig at me for no good reason."

    Before that, you said: "although his burn of JJ was a classic" ...

    So you acted all butthurt and played the victim when you received a minor doing back... :)
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953
    Cyclefree said:

    Ahem - you were gleefully posting abuse at me (including your despicable refusal to display any sort of empathy with female rape victims put at risk by men in rape crisis centres) while I was still here and again about me in my absence long after I left this site earlier last year and stating your hope that I would not return. So to be accurate I left first and in part because of you.

    And today is the first I have ever heard anything about your partner. All transwomen remain of the male sex. Not all have surgery of course. The majority of trans identified males do not have surgery. And that all trans identified males (without a GRC) remain of the male sex is the official position of the Scottish government, as it expressly made clear during its arguments to the Supreme Court in November on the precise question of what the consequences of a GRC are. According to the Scottish government transwomen (without a GRC) are men - not women. I must have missed it being accused of transphobia by the usual suspects.

    That this is the complete opposite of what the Scottish government has previously said in Holyrood and elsewhere and what many of their supporters believe and repeat at every turn is one of the many bizarre aspects of this issue. But maybe the SC judgment will clear this up. Or maybe not.

    The funny thing is, I absolutely agree with you on pretty much everything else you post - including and especially male violence against women. Your post on Afghanistan earlier this month was the sort of thing I want to stand up and applaud. I couldn't agree more with everything else you write. All of it.

    I just happen to believe trans women are women, something of which I have more experience of than you. That includes the amount of transphobia, discrimination, and other things I've encountered IRL. Trans people just want to live their lives without the hatred they are subjected to by the likes of people like you on a daily basis.

    I'm far from an absolutist - for example, I'm against self-ID and trans women in sports. Which places me outside the 'radical' trans orthodoxy, for example. The irony is that seeing the amount of discrimination my partner faced, the sexism she was subjected to, the objectification, and worse - occasional violence she was subjected to - turned me from being a 'lads mags era bloke' into something of an ardent feminist. She is, was, and always will be, a better, kinder, more decent human being - and more of a woman than you will ever be.

    I genuinely miss posting here, and have had a lot of fun over the years. But your comments were beyond rude and offensive. Imagine trying to debate homosexuality with someone who calls all gay people f*****s. That's what debating with you is like. Others who I've disagreed with - Carlotta for example - are at least civil, and i can respect that. You show no such compunction.

    While I have disagreed with others here on the trans debate (for reasons that should be patently obvious, I have talked about having a "trans loved one" in my life many times over the debate) you are the only one whose comments have been completely beyond the pale. The misgendering and 'mutilated man' stuff. No thanks.

    If PB is a pub, I don't want my local to be the kind of place where I pop in for a couple of pints to find people either slagging off my wife or, in your case, denying her right to even exist.

    Your posts have repeatedly dripped with hatred and contempt of trans people, which includes someone I love dearly. Again, to use the pub analogy, don't expect me to be polite to you when you come in here repeatedly slagging off my Mrs.

    Anyway, enjoy your website - it's all yours now.

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,086
    edited January 26

    ".. that dig at me for no good reason."

    Before that, you said: "although his burn of JJ was a classic" ...

    So you acted all butthurt and played the victim when you received a minor doing back... :)
    I wasn’t even addressing you or being rude about you or to you. Your dig was needless and personally abusive. It’s hardly ‘butthurt’, whatever that means, to point it out and point out your hypocrisy. You seem to make a habit of baiting and attacking people then playing the victim. This is what I said.

    ‘ Moonshine certainly is a rank amateur, although his burn of JJ was a classic, when compared to Ishmael who could be bludgeon or rapier dependent on the ABV of his blood at the time.’

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045
    Taz said:

    I wasn’t even addressing you or being rude about you or to you. Your dig was needless and personally abusive. It’s hardly ‘butthurt’, whatever that means, to point it out and point out your hypocrisy. You seem to make a habit of baiting and attacking people then playing the victim. This is what I said.

    ‘ Moonshine certainly is a rank amateur, although his burn of JJ was a classic, when compared to Ishmael who could be bludgeon or rapier dependent on the ABV of his blood at the time.’
    And I said in return was that it was hardly a classic. But I daresay you can see why LOLing at the 'burn' of someone else is not exactly 'not addressing' them. Or indeed, it could be perceived as being rude.

    As for baiting, that could be seen as being the intent of your original post...
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,086
    edited January 26

    And I said in return was that it was hardly a classic. But I daresay you can see why LOLing at the 'burn' of someone else is not exactly 'not addressing' them. Or indeed, it could be perceived as being rude.

    As for baiting, that could be seen as being the intent of your original post...
    As I was not addressing you and didn’t even tag you it clearly wasn’t. There was no LOL either.

    Your response was disproportionate. Trying to get you to see it. You can’t. You seem to get into a lot of these scrapes where others don’t. Tells me where the problem is, I suspect you’re on the spectrum. Done here on this.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,231
    Leon said:

    Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten

    For years he’s been adamant Covid came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light

    "The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"

    "In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."

    "If I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."

    "The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."

    https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/

    Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along

    It's going to come as a surprise to Drosten that he's seen the light as he still thinks a natural origin is the most likely.

    You say 'For years he's been adamant...'

    And yet he doesn't seem to have changed his position since February 2022:

    https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/corona-wiesendanger-drosten-1.5524315

  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,231

    I see Leon has self-appointed himself as PB's morality police commissionaire. ;)

    Did he not realise you already had the job?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045
    Taz said:

    As I was not addressing you and didn’t even tag you it clearly wasn’t. There was no LOL either.

    Your response was disproportionate. Trying to get you to see it. You can’t. You seem to get into a lot of these scrapes where others don’t. Tells me where the problem is, I suspect you’re on the spectrum. Done here on this.
    So who was the 'JJ' you were referring to? Another JJ who had suffered an (apparent) burn? No?

    The idea that you were not referring to me, and that I had no right to respond, is silly.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045
    kamski said:

    Did he not realise you already had the job?
    Thank you for your contribution. It was valued. :)
  • Someone on the previous thread made the jibe that the average farming income is £22k. They did not mention that that is for a 70 hour week with NO paid holidays - you have to pay someone to cover if you go away. By the standards of being on call as per Local Goverment it is a 168 hours on call business. Even when I was in NZ I was covering for some business in the UK, such as the VAT balance sheets as I remember and balancing the Higher Level Stewardship, Upper Entry Level Stewardship, Sustainable Farming Incentive for a whole fell.

    You don't have the option of doing what you want - I could build 20 houses and my IHT issues are solved as would be my successors. Oh, but you can't do that, people would want to live in them and they would spoil the view.
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