So it begins. The elephant in the 2028 presidential election room – politicalbetting.com
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"That's not how it works" (sic)Casino_Royale said:
No, he can't.Scott_xP said:
He can do what we wants. SCOTUS said soCasino_Royale said:
Whether he cares or not is entirely immaterial. He can't do it.Scott_xP said:
He doesn't careCasino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway
That's what a constitution means.
Trump can do what he likes until someone stops him, and so far nobody has shown any inclination to do so3 -
Four years is a very long time in politics. The assumption the US under Trump is going to soar until 2028 is as brave as the one that Labour will lose the next UK election.Mexicanpete said:
Voters and client media seemed far more concerned by Biden's cognitive decline than Trump's. Jesse Watters, Hannity and Laura Ingraham can normally explain Trump gobbledegook into a rational narrative.SouthamObserver said:Anyway, I suspect Mr G is right - at 82, Trump will just be too old to run again. He is already clearly far less coherent and sharp than he was last time he was President and the decline is only going to accelerate.
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Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten
For years he’s been adamant Covid came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"If I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along2 -
Also there is no incentive for him to follow the rules as even if he breaks laws persistently and deliberately the SC has ruled he cannot be prosecuted for that.Scott_xP said:
"That's not how it works" (sic)Casino_Royale said:
No, he can't.Scott_xP said:
He can do what we wants. SCOTUS said soCasino_Royale said:
Whether he cares or not is entirely immaterial. He can't do it.Scott_xP said:
He doesn't careCasino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway
That's what a constitution means.
Trump can do what he likes until someone stops him, and so far nobody has shown any inclination to do so0 -
On the latter point.moonshine said:
As I said above, Grant, Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt all sought a third term but lost (either at the general or nominations phase).Malmesbury said:a
The two term unwritten law thing is a bit of a myth.Cicero said:
Term limits came in after FDR left office,. Though in any event, changing Presidents in 1944 or even 1940 would probably have been unwise anyway.Stuartinromford said:
Term limits or not isn't particularly fascist. Personally, I don't like them but I can see the legitimate case.moonshine said:
Hmmm fair enough. Since FDR did it?Stuartinromford said:
No.moonshine said:Trump running for a third term would be the most fascist thing in world affairs since Blair did the same. Am I doing it right?
What isn't on is changing the rules on the fly because it's convenient for the current leader.
FDR broke an unwritten convention of a limit of two terms. He did not break a law, still less revoke a constitutional ammendment.
Some said it existed - others planned to run for 3 terms.
It just didn’t happen until FDR.
Personally I think term limits can be a good idea, especially in rotten constituencies. But I doubt you’ll see a move from Congress to align the principle from the executive to legislature and judiciary.
Where term limits can be catastrophic is in technocratic roles like the MPC, where we’ve used up all the good economists and now have it stuffed with incompetents.
I find this whole thread amusing. Not sure why people still can’t understand that if you don’t like trump or his policies, just find an effective and relatable candidate that can beat him.
How about Dems campaigning for three terms to get Obama back?
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I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.2 -
You just hate that I'm right. AgainRochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.0 -
That would be unconstitutional.dixiedean said:
On the latter point.moonshine said:
As I said above, Grant, Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt all sought a third term but lost (either at the general or nominations phase).Malmesbury said:a
The two term unwritten law thing is a bit of a myth.Cicero said:
Term limits came in after FDR left office,. Though in any event, changing Presidents in 1944 or even 1940 would probably have been unwise anyway.Stuartinromford said:
Term limits or not isn't particularly fascist. Personally, I don't like them but I can see the legitimate case.moonshine said:
Hmmm fair enough. Since FDR did it?Stuartinromford said:
No.moonshine said:Trump running for a third term would be the most fascist thing in world affairs since Blair did the same. Am I doing it right?
What isn't on is changing the rules on the fly because it's convenient for the current leader.
FDR broke an unwritten convention of a limit of two terms. He did not break a law, still less revoke a constitutional ammendment.
Some said it existed - others planned to run for 3 terms.
It just didn’t happen until FDR.
Personally I think term limits can be a good idea, especially in rotten constituencies. But I doubt you’ll see a move from Congress to align the principle from the executive to legislature and judiciary.
Where term limits can be catastrophic is in technocratic roles like the MPC, where we’ve used up all the good economists and now have it stuffed with incompetents.
I find this whole thread amusing. Not sure why people still can’t understand that if you don’t like trump or his policies, just find an effective and relatable candidate that can beat him.
How about Dems campaigning for three terms to get Obama back?2 -
What are the what.three.words location for the lab?Leon said:
You just hate that I'm right. AgainRochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.6 -
The Supreme Court certainly hasn't ruled that. It came up with a broader view of immunity than prosecutors would have liked, but explicitly rejected Trump's argument for blanket immunity. Indeed, he is a convicted felon.noneoftheabove said:
Also there is no incentive for him to follow the rules as even if he breaks laws persistently and deliberately the SC has ruled he cannot be prosecuted for that.Scott_xP said:
"That's not how it works" (sic)Casino_Royale said:
No, he can't.Scott_xP said:
He can do what we wants. SCOTUS said soCasino_Royale said:
Whether he cares or not is entirely immaterial. He can't do it.Scott_xP said:
He doesn't careCasino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway
That's what a constitution means.
Trump can do what he likes until someone stops him, and so far nobody has shown any inclination to do so0 -
Just fed this thread into Google Notebook to create a podcast - with two chirpy Americans discussing our discussion:
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/874f9155-e00e-4490-968e-38e610dcd8b9/audio0 -
No, the SC cannot rule the constitution says what it doesn't say - regardless if it has a sympathetic majority.RochdalePioneers said:
What is a constitution? Its a set of laws drawn up by legislators *and interpreted by judges*.Casino_Royale said:
No, he can't.Scott_xP said:
He can do what we wants. SCOTUS said soCasino_Royale said:
Whether he cares or not is entirely immaterial. He can't do it.Scott_xP said:
He doesn't careCasino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway
That's what a constitution means.
The constitution is not black and white. The right to bear arms talks about militias. The SC has adjudged that to mean the right to carry an AR15 round Walmart for self defence.
None of the laws are clear and unambiguous enough to not be challenged legally. SO challenge the 22nd. Our boy can run can't he? SC says yes. Job done. You say "no he can't". But how would you challenge it? Take Trump to the SC? They already said yes.
The text of the 22nd Amendment is very clear.3 -
This will be the new spin from the wet marketeers and zoonosis types
"Oh what does it matter where it came from, so yeah fuck it, so it came from the lab, I kinda believed that all along even though I banged on about the market all that time but anyway who cares, yawn, it only killed twenty million people and decimated the global economy, it's not like it's that important, let's talk about something - anything - else. Please. PLEASE"2 -
No, he can't, and yes, plenty have.Scott_xP said:
"That's not how it works" (sic)Casino_Royale said:
No, he can't.Scott_xP said:
He can do what we wants. SCOTUS said soCasino_Royale said:
Whether he cares or not is entirely immaterial. He can't do it.Scott_xP said:
He doesn't careCasino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway
That's what a constitution means.
Trump can do what he likes until someone stops him, and so far nobody has shown any inclination to do so
You are a tedious idiot.1 -
Of course it canCasino_Royale said:No, the SC cannot rule the constitution says what it doesn't say
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The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.2 -
If Trump is not dead or totally 'out of it' then 2028 will not remotely be a normal election.RochdalePioneers said:
This. The law, and law enforcement, and the supreme court. All will be owned by Trump. They learned the lesson of the first term, and are exclusively appointing foaming loyalists to every position and in every agency. Especially the ones who are clearly not up to the job. Their job isn't to be good, its to ensure the thing is loyal to Trump.rottenborough said:
I suspect he and the GOP will just run him (assume he has not shuffled off this mortal coil).TheScreamingEagles said:
He doesn't need to pass an amendment, he just needs SCOTUS to rule that the 22nd Amendment only applies to consecutive terms.Casino_Royale said:
Ok, but am I wrong? How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?Theuniondivvie said:
I don’t think precise design is an accurate description of the US constitution, more a lash up with several ancient components not fit for modern purpose and subject to constant tinkering.Casino_Royale said:There is some Trump paranoia /derangement going on here. He's just one man. Sure, a demented one, but the constitution of the USA was designed with its checks and balances precisely for this.
I don't see, with the Dems holding essentially half the House and 45%+ of the Senate, plus many states, how any of these criteria pass.
Assume he wins they will then just plough on with the certification etc etc. Vance is veep. So he certifies.
Whose gonna stop it?
As I understand it the states have the ability to run general elections as they see fit. Some will likely see that Trump is a Bad Man. And find themselves removed from the process by the government. Remember that states rights only works when the state agrees with the centre (also cf Thatcher vs Livingstone) - if a groovy state decides that Trump can't be on the ballot, they won't be allowed to set the ballot. And imagine the fun should He be excluded in a state - they'd simply declare the state void and insert delegates for Trump.
The American system doesn't elect the president anyway, merely electors who are appointed by the state. A streamlined more modern process would be to simply have the state appoint electors - or should the state prove to be full of traitors have the local GOP do it. Far more democratic.
Seriously - who would stop him? The FBI? Run by Trump. State courts? Ignore them. Local police? ignore them. The Supreme Court? Owned by Trump.2 -
Look for the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control, 300 yards from the wet marketTheScreamingEagles said:
What are the what.three.words location for the lab?Leon said:
You just hate that I'm right. AgainRochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.0 -
Come on PBers, this post deserves more likes.Theuniondivvie said:Andy Ogles conjures up one of Epstein’s ‘parties’.
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"Don't tell him, Pike"Casino_Royale said:
Top speed would be a backwards pike rather than a Nazi salute.TheScreamingEagles said:PB exclusive
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Democracy is power of the people. If they could convince the instruments of US democracy to let Barry back on the ballot and then he won the vote, all power to him. The Constitution is there for the amending…RochdalePioneers said:
That would be unconstitutional.dixiedean said:
On the latter point.moonshine said:
As I said above, Grant, Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt all sought a third term but lost (either at the general or nominations phase).Malmesbury said:a
The two term unwritten law thing is a bit of a myth.Cicero said:
Term limits came in after FDR left office,. Though in any event, changing Presidents in 1944 or even 1940 would probably have been unwise anyway.Stuartinromford said:
Term limits or not isn't particularly fascist. Personally, I don't like them but I can see the legitimate case.moonshine said:
Hmmm fair enough. Since FDR did it?Stuartinromford said:
No.moonshine said:Trump running for a third term would be the most fascist thing in world affairs since Blair did the same. Am I doing it right?
What isn't on is changing the rules on the fly because it's convenient for the current leader.
FDR broke an unwritten convention of a limit of two terms. He did not break a law, still less revoke a constitutional ammendment.
Some said it existed - others planned to run for 3 terms.
It just didn’t happen until FDR.
Personally I think term limits can be a good idea, especially in rotten constituencies. But I doubt you’ll see a move from Congress to align the principle from the executive to legislature and judiciary.
Where term limits can be catastrophic is in technocratic roles like the MPC, where we’ve used up all the good economists and now have it stuffed with incompetents.
I find this whole thread amusing. Not sure why people still can’t understand that if you don’t like trump or his policies, just find an effective and relatable candidate that can beat him.
How about Dems campaigning for three terms to get Obama back?
It is an interesting contrast between him and Trump. Obama was the president that at a personal level inspired and set the example to your kids. Trump is basically the opposite.
But with the passage of time, Obama’s policy failings on the world stage have metastasised into quite awful instability. Trump’s style might just restore some order again. A shame we can’t have a president that somehow manages to combine the two features.0 -
Also have you tried saying this to any of the relatives of the TWENTY MILLION people - that died of Covid?RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
I have a weird feeling that even if you are "so bored of Covid", they might have a ather different take, and be quite interested in knowing exactly why their father, mother, child, grandparent, died a horrible death, choking on their own lungs
Even if it bores YOU0 -
He can't be prosecuted for any official acts. Deciding to replace the leaders of the military and the courts would be official acts, as would declaring a state of emergency and postponing the next election or running again.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Supreme Court certainly hasn't ruled that. It came up with a broader view of immunity than prosecutors would have liked, but explicitly rejected Trump's argument for blanket immunity. Indeed, he is a convicted felon.noneoftheabove said:
Also there is no incentive for him to follow the rules as even if he breaks laws persistently and deliberately the SC has ruled he cannot be prosecuted for that.Scott_xP said:
"That's not how it works" (sic)Casino_Royale said:
No, he can't.Scott_xP said:
He can do what we wants. SCOTUS said soCasino_Royale said:
Whether he cares or not is entirely immaterial. He can't do it.Scott_xP said:
He doesn't careCasino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway
That's what a constitution means.
Trump can do what he likes until someone stops him, and so far nobody has shown any inclination to do so0 -
Idiot.Scott_xP said:
Of course it canCasino_Royale said:No, the SC cannot rule the constitution says what it doesn't say
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Grant was thinking of a third term, until all the scandals exploded.dixiedean said:
On the latter point.moonshine said:
As I said above, Grant, Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt all sought a third term but lost (either at the general or nominations phase).Malmesbury said:a
The two term unwritten law thing is a bit of a myth.Cicero said:
Term limits came in after FDR left office,. Though in any event, changing Presidents in 1944 or even 1940 would probably have been unwise anyway.Stuartinromford said:
Term limits or not isn't particularly fascist. Personally, I don't like them but I can see the legitimate case.moonshine said:
Hmmm fair enough. Since FDR did it?Stuartinromford said:
No.moonshine said:Trump running for a third term would be the most fascist thing in world affairs since Blair did the same. Am I doing it right?
What isn't on is changing the rules on the fly because it's convenient for the current leader.
FDR broke an unwritten convention of a limit of two terms. He did not break a law, still less revoke a constitutional ammendment.
Some said it existed - others planned to run for 3 terms.
It just didn’t happen until FDR.
Personally I think term limits can be a good idea, especially in rotten constituencies. But I doubt you’ll see a move from Congress to align the principle from the executive to legislature and judiciary.
Where term limits can be catastrophic is in technocratic roles like the MPC, where we’ve used up all the good economists and now have it stuffed with incompetents.
I find this whole thread amusing. Not sure why people still can’t understand that if you don’t like trump or his policies, just find an effective and relatable candidate that can beat him.
How about Dems campaigning for three terms to get Obama back?0 -
Obama has no interest in a comeback. Michelle even less.dixiedean said:
On the latter point.moonshine said:
As I said above, Grant, Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt all sought a third term but lost (either at the general or nominations phase).Malmesbury said:a
The two term unwritten law thing is a bit of a myth.Cicero said:
Term limits came in after FDR left office,. Though in any event, changing Presidents in 1944 or even 1940 would probably have been unwise anyway.Stuartinromford said:
Term limits or not isn't particularly fascist. Personally, I don't like them but I can see the legitimate case.moonshine said:
Hmmm fair enough. Since FDR did it?Stuartinromford said:
No.moonshine said:Trump running for a third term would be the most fascist thing in world affairs since Blair did the same. Am I doing it right?
What isn't on is changing the rules on the fly because it's convenient for the current leader.
FDR broke an unwritten convention of a limit of two terms. He did not break a law, still less revoke a constitutional ammendment.
Some said it existed - others planned to run for 3 terms.
It just didn’t happen until FDR.
Personally I think term limits can be a good idea, especially in rotten constituencies. But I doubt you’ll see a move from Congress to align the principle from the executive to legislature and judiciary.
Where term limits can be catastrophic is in technocratic roles like the MPC, where we’ve used up all the good economists and now have it stuffed with incompetents.
I find this whole thread amusing. Not sure why people still can’t understand that if you don’t like trump or his policies, just find an effective and relatable candidate that can beat him.
How about Dems campaigning for three terms to get Obama back?0 -
The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?3 -
This in a nutshell explains why Trump won the election.moonshine said:It is an interesting contrast between him and Trump. Obama was the president that at a personal level inspired and set the example to your kids. Trump is basically the opposite.
Obama is the exemplar American President, to non-Americans.
Trump is the most American candidate in decades
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Well I never thought somebody could become President unless they signed up to the democratic process. So ...0
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Andrew LilicoLeon said:This will be the new spin from the wet marketeers and zoonosis types
"Oh what does it matter where it came from, so yeah fuck it, so it came from the lab, I kinda believed that all along even though I banged on about the market all that time but anyway who cares, yawn, it only killed twenty million people and decimated the global economy, it's not like it's that important, let's talk about something - anything - else. Please. PLEASE"
@andrew_lilico
Lab leaks have occurred many times through history - e.g. the last person to die from smallpox died after a lab leak. I never saw any good reason why some people were so aggressively opposed to the idea that should be regarded as a possibility.
https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/18833042008573913980 -
Possibly. Is that allowed in the constitution ?CarlottaVance said:
Couldn't he do a Putin - have some stooge run for President and be his VP? Stooge bows out.....Taz said:
It’s not going to happen. He will look to anoint a successor.Casino_Royale said:
HE CAN'T IGNORE THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONScott_xP said:
The political reality on the ground is that Trump will ignore the requirements.Casino_Royale said:How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?
He couldn't legally fire a bunch of people on Friday night. He did it anyway0 -
If he says something vaguely positive about Rachel Reeves, I can see the British right starting to talk about the 25th Amendment rather than the 22nd!SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?4 -
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league1 -
Casino_Royale said:
Idiot.Scott_xP said:
Of course it canCasino_Royale said:No, the SC cannot rule the constitution says what it doesn't say
"You just hate that I'm right. Again "2 -
Should Trump's America soar (unlikely) Starmer Labour being dragged along in the slipstream can only be a positive for the incumbent Government.SouthamObserver said:
Four years is a very long time in politics. The assumption the US under Trump is going to soar until 2028 is as brave as the one that Labour will lose the next UK election.Mexicanpete said:
Voters and client media seemed far more concerned by Biden's cognitive decline than Trump's. Jesse Watters, Hannity and Laura Ingraham can normally explain Trump gobbledegook into a rational narrative.SouthamObserver said:Anyway, I suspect Mr G is right - at 82, Trump will just be too old to run again. He is already clearly far less coherent and sharp than he was last time he was President and the decline is only going to accelerate.
As an off topic aside. The broadcast and print medias have picked up that Sainsbury, Morrisons and Asda are all blaming job cuts from closing service counters like Delis as a direct result of Reeves's budget. Does that mean that Tesco pre-empted Reeves's NI changes several years ago by closing their deli counters under the previous Government?1 -
The other thing is that “bio security” at nearly every lab doing biological research is not spacesuits and airlocks. That stuff is incredibly rare.rottenborough said:
Andrew LilicoLeon said:This will be the new spin from the wet marketeers and zoonosis types
"Oh what does it matter where it came from, so yeah fuck it, so it came from the lab, I kinda believed that all along even though I banged on about the market all that time but anyway who cares, yawn, it only killed twenty million people and decimated the global economy, it's not like it's that important, let's talk about something - anything - else. Please. PLEASE"
@andrew_lilico
Lab leaks have occurred many times through history - e.g. the last person to die from smallpox died after a lab leak. I never saw any good reason why some people were so aggressively opposed to the idea that should be regarded as a possibility.
https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1883304200857391398
In reality, its rules about not mouth pipetting, using fume cupboards, cleaning the lab tables at regular intervals and not putting your lunch in the sample fridge…1 -
The policy response also led to world wide inflation, long term impacts on public health and education, and a widening rich-poor gap. If we don’t understand how it happened and seek to address the causes, it will happen all over again. “Oh well it’s just another Chinese lab leak, who cares, you’re boring Leon” will be a pretty fringe view if it does.Leon said:
Also have you tried saying this to any of the relatives of the TWENTY MILLION people - that died of Covid?RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
I have a weird feeling that even if you are "so bored of Covid", they might have a ather different take, and be quite interested in knowing exactly why their father, mother, child, grandparent, died a horrible death, choking on their own lungs
Even if it bores YOU1 -
Also causes problems for UK’s Labour supporters - if Trump thinks Starmer is doing a good job/ a good egg then something’s going very wrong.SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?0 -
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?1 -
Becauserottenborough said:
Andrew LilicoLeon said:This will be the new spin from the wet marketeers and zoonosis types
"Oh what does it matter where it came from, so yeah fuck it, so it came from the lab, I kinda believed that all along even though I banged on about the market all that time but anyway who cares, yawn, it only killed twenty million people and decimated the global economy, it's not like it's that important, let's talk about something - anything - else. Please. PLEASE"
@andrew_lilico
Lab leaks have occurred many times through history - e.g. the last person to die from smallpox died after a lab leak. I never saw any good reason why some people were so aggressively opposed to the idea that should be regarded as a possibility.
https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1883304200857391398
1. Trump was saying it
2. China hosted this science
3. The USA funded this science
4. Defend science!
An awful lot of involved parties - not least the two most powerful nations on earth - had a vested interest in pretending that the blindingly obvious - the bat virus probably came from the bat lab down the road? - was not in fact true. Hence it has taken us 5 years to get to this point1 -
It would never get that far because DJT could federalize the states' National Guards by calling them to active duty. It's hard to see how a civil war develops because actual fighting power is massively centralised at a federal level. There would be some refuseniks who might form militias but no air power, no intelligence gathering, no logistics etc. means it'd be a massively one-sided affair.RochdalePioneers said:@Casino_Royale "Then, you'd get civil war" (block quotes messed up)
That's been brewing for a long time. I fully expect some anti-constitutional shenanigans from Trump. Which will be waved through by the sheep in the SC. States who disagree can do what? The federal military swears an oath to the constitution - which is whatever the SC says it is. Lets assume we have a Deep Blue state - Vermont perhaps - who say "bugger this" and declare that they won't acquiesce.
How would that civil war play out? Vermont's National Guard vs the US? Or does Washington allow traitors to leave and simply economically reduce them to rubble?2 -
This book may help your debate. It is available from your local library
"How to rig an election" https://www.londonreviewbookshop.co.uk/stock/how-to-rig-an-election-nic-cheeseman-brian-klaas
(Incidentally @Andy_JS , I've reserved "The New Leviathans" at my library)0 -
I would just add you do not need to be dead or totally out of it to be unable to deal with the physical effort of being POTUS at 82rottenborough said:
If Trump is not dead or totally 'out of it' then 2028 will not remotely be a normal election.RochdalePioneers said:
This. The law, and law enforcement, and the supreme court. All will be owned by Trump. They learned the lesson of the first term, and are exclusively appointing foaming loyalists to every position and in every agency. Especially the ones who are clearly not up to the job. Their job isn't to be good, its to ensure the thing is loyal to Trump.rottenborough said:
I suspect he and the GOP will just run him (assume he has not shuffled off this mortal coil).TheScreamingEagles said:
He doesn't need to pass an amendment, he just needs SCOTUS to rule that the 22nd Amendment only applies to consecutive terms.Casino_Royale said:
Ok, but am I wrong? How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?Theuniondivvie said:
I don’t think precise design is an accurate description of the US constitution, more a lash up with several ancient components not fit for modern purpose and subject to constant tinkering.Casino_Royale said:There is some Trump paranoia /derangement going on here. He's just one man. Sure, a demented one, but the constitution of the USA was designed with its checks and balances precisely for this.
I don't see, with the Dems holding essentially half the House and 45%+ of the Senate, plus many states, how any of these criteria pass.
Assume he wins they will then just plough on with the certification etc etc. Vance is veep. So he certifies.
Whose gonna stop it?
As I understand it the states have the ability to run general elections as they see fit. Some will likely see that Trump is a Bad Man. And find themselves removed from the process by the government. Remember that states rights only works when the state agrees with the centre (also cf Thatcher vs Livingstone) - if a groovy state decides that Trump can't be on the ballot, they won't be allowed to set the ballot. And imagine the fun should He be excluded in a state - they'd simply declare the state void and insert delegates for Trump.
The American system doesn't elect the president anyway, merely electors who are appointed by the state. A streamlined more modern process would be to simply have the state appoint electors - or should the state prove to be full of traitors have the local GOP do it. Far more democratic.
Seriously - who would stop him? The FBI? Run by Trump. State courts? Ignore them. Local police? ignore them. The Supreme Court? Owned by Trump.0 -
The journey to autocracy is usually a journey, not a one time power grab. Putsches sometimes succeed but as Trump found in 2020, it’s hard. Better to get there slowly through a series of ratchets.
So he’s not going to jump straight to removing term limits or rigging elections. The ground needs to be laid first through an increasing grip on media and social media, ongoing replacement of independent officials with loyalists, and slow but steady subversion of electoral processes.
It took Erdogan 2 decades to get to where he is now, and he still has some distance to go before he’s a bona fide autocrat. He’s a rather more wily and subtle character than Trump but he shows the way.4 -
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying3 -
Why are you so scared of upsetting the Chinese communists and American pharma interests that were probably the cause of it?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?0 -
Brit Patriots on X (the sorts of patriots who hate their country) are having conniptions. They thought their man was going to come over and help depose Starmer, like some latter day William of Orange*, and now he’s saying nice things.SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?
*cue @ydoethur pun1 -
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying1 -
Actual LOL here in Rangoon, Burmamoonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
Note the continuing efforts to get MAGA loyalists in as election officials - and kick out the non-MAGA. From the lowest levels upwards.TimS said:The journey to autocracy is usually a journey, not a one time power grab. Putsches sometimes succeed but as Trump found in 2020, it’s hard. Better to get there slowly through a series of ratchets.
So he’s not going to jump straight to removing term limits or rigging elections. The ground needs to be laid first through an increasing grip on media and social media, ongoing replacement of independent officials with loyalists, and slow but steady subversion of electoral processes.
It took Erdogan 2 decades to get to where he is now, and he still has some distance to go before he’s a bona fide autocrat. He’s a rather more wily and subtle character than Trump but he shows the way.0 -
YouTube explainers on the book "How to Rig an Election"viewcode said:This book may help your debate. It is available from your local library
"How to rig an election" https://www.londonreviewbookshop.co.uk/stock/how-to-rig-an-election-nic-cheeseman-brian-klaas
(Incidentally Andy_JS , I've reserved "The New Leviathans" at my library)- (short: 2 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDB8SiQdXl4
- (long: 100 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X4uKUtScNA
0 - (short: 2 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDB8SiQdXl4
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The government is going to introduce stricter age verification checks and ban on doorstep drops for knives to greater protect young people
In the case of Rudakubana it was his father who took in the parcel !!!!!!2 -
I disagree. Trump wasn't very bright at 42, but someone like yourself as sharp as a tack at 82 could make appropriate policy. From the physicality point of view, so long as you can handle a Sharpie pen you could do just fine. Remember you would have lackies to do the actual and metaphorical heavy lifting.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would just add you do not need to be dead or totally out of it to be unable to deal with the physical effort of being POTUS at 82rottenborough said:
If Trump is not dead or totally 'out of it' then 2028 will not remotely be a normal election.RochdalePioneers said:
This. The law, and law enforcement, and the supreme court. All will be owned by Trump. They learned the lesson of the first term, and are exclusively appointing foaming loyalists to every position and in every agency. Especially the ones who are clearly not up to the job. Their job isn't to be good, its to ensure the thing is loyal to Trump.rottenborough said:
I suspect he and the GOP will just run him (assume he has not shuffled off this mortal coil).TheScreamingEagles said:
He doesn't need to pass an amendment, he just needs SCOTUS to rule that the 22nd Amendment only applies to consecutive terms.Casino_Royale said:
Ok, but am I wrong? How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?Theuniondivvie said:
I don’t think precise design is an accurate description of the US constitution, more a lash up with several ancient components not fit for modern purpose and subject to constant tinkering.Casino_Royale said:There is some Trump paranoia /derangement going on here. He's just one man. Sure, a demented one, but the constitution of the USA was designed with its checks and balances precisely for this.
I don't see, with the Dems holding essentially half the House and 45%+ of the Senate, plus many states, how any of these criteria pass.
Assume he wins they will then just plough on with the certification etc etc. Vance is veep. So he certifies.
Whose gonna stop it?
As I understand it the states have the ability to run general elections as they see fit. Some will likely see that Trump is a Bad Man. And find themselves removed from the process by the government. Remember that states rights only works when the state agrees with the centre (also cf Thatcher vs Livingstone) - if a groovy state decides that Trump can't be on the ballot, they won't be allowed to set the ballot. And imagine the fun should He be excluded in a state - they'd simply declare the state void and insert delegates for Trump.
The American system doesn't elect the president anyway, merely electors who are appointed by the state. A streamlined more modern process would be to simply have the state appoint electors - or should the state prove to be full of traitors have the local GOP do it. Far more democratic.
Seriously - who would stop him? The FBI? Run by Trump. State courts? Ignore them. Local police? ignore them. The Supreme Court? Owned by Trump.0 -
If you actually read my posts on this, you'd see me saying that what we ought to be slamming the Chinese for is the thing we absolutely 100% know they did wrong: the way they allowed the pandemic to spread by not being truthful about how bad it was in the early days. A massive opportunity was lost to, at worse, buy time.moonshine said:
Why are you so scared of upsetting the Chinese communists and American pharma interests that were probably the cause of it?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I'm unsure how saying the Chinese did a massive wrong that killed many people is my being scared of upsetting the Chinese communists. But you be you.1 -
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
No they haven't. Gun control is a state competency and quite few states ban 'assault weapons' - New York and California for a start.RochdalePioneers said:The SC has adjudged that to mean the right to carry an AR15 round Walmart for self defence.
In the Maryland case, the Supreme Court has explicit stated that AR-15 weapons fall outside 2A protection. Although this will probably be tested again at some point.1 -
Can't say I'm enthusiastic but I recognise that we need amicable relations with the US, and Trump seems to operate at a superficial level. A few polite phrases each way can ward off serious financial damage. Perhaps.boulay said:
Also causes problems for UK’s Labour supporters - if Trump thinks Starmer is doing a good job/ a good egg then something’s going very wrong.SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?5 -
You are right I must away. Perhaps you’ll get your wish and I’ll fall off the ladder taking down the Xmas lights.JosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
Calm down dear.JosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying
Do you not have a list of f***tards whose posts you scroll right past? I do.1 -
Taking down Christmas lights on the 26th January? That's bad luck calling, right there.moonshine said:
You are right I must away. Perhaps you’ll get your wish and I’ll fall off the ladder taking down the Xmas lights.JosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
I think the derangement is the idea that Trump et al will simply follow the rules. Indeed, the fact he has become President again after Jan 6th suggests that the US system is unchecked and unbalanced.Casino_Royale said:There is some Trump paranoia /derangement going on here. He's just one man. Sure, a demented one, but the constitution of the USA was designed with its checks and balances precisely for this.
I don't see, with the Dems holding essentially half the House and 45%+ of the Senate, plus many states, how any of these criteria pass.1 -
Well if we're doing questions. Why are you pretending you have the remotest clue about the origins of Covid?moonshine said:
Why are you so scared of upsetting the Chinese communists and American pharma interests that were probably the cause of it?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?1 -
Another year for me to achieve 82, but the physical effort day to day would make it impossible no matter how many helpers were availableMexicanpete said:
I disagree. Trump wasn't very bright at 42, but someone like yourself as sharp as a tack at 82 could make appropriate policy. From the physicality point of view, so long as you can handle a Sharpie pen you could do just fine. Remember you would have lackies to do the actual and metaphorical heavy lifting.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would just add you do not need to be dead or totally out of it to be unable to deal with the physical effort of being POTUS at 82rottenborough said:
If Trump is not dead or totally 'out of it' then 2028 will not remotely be a normal election.RochdalePioneers said:
This. The law, and law enforcement, and the supreme court. All will be owned by Trump. They learned the lesson of the first term, and are exclusively appointing foaming loyalists to every position and in every agency. Especially the ones who are clearly not up to the job. Their job isn't to be good, its to ensure the thing is loyal to Trump.rottenborough said:
I suspect he and the GOP will just run him (assume he has not shuffled off this mortal coil).TheScreamingEagles said:
He doesn't need to pass an amendment, he just needs SCOTUS to rule that the 22nd Amendment only applies to consecutive terms.Casino_Royale said:
Ok, but am I wrong? How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?Theuniondivvie said:
I don’t think precise design is an accurate description of the US constitution, more a lash up with several ancient components not fit for modern purpose and subject to constant tinkering.Casino_Royale said:There is some Trump paranoia /derangement going on here. He's just one man. Sure, a demented one, but the constitution of the USA was designed with its checks and balances precisely for this.
I don't see, with the Dems holding essentially half the House and 45%+ of the Senate, plus many states, how any of these criteria pass.
Assume he wins they will then just plough on with the certification etc etc. Vance is veep. So he certifies.
Whose gonna stop it?
As I understand it the states have the ability to run general elections as they see fit. Some will likely see that Trump is a Bad Man. And find themselves removed from the process by the government. Remember that states rights only works when the state agrees with the centre (also cf Thatcher vs Livingstone) - if a groovy state decides that Trump can't be on the ballot, they won't be allowed to set the ballot. And imagine the fun should He be excluded in a state - they'd simply declare the state void and insert delegates for Trump.
The American system doesn't elect the president anyway, merely electors who are appointed by the state. A streamlined more modern process would be to simply have the state appoint electors - or should the state prove to be full of traitors have the local GOP do it. Far more democratic.
Seriously - who would stop him? The FBI? Run by Trump. State courts? Ignore them. Local police? ignore them. The Supreme Court? Owned by Trump.1 -
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
Oh I agree it’s good that we have amicable relations. I was highlighting that using Trump’s words as a dig at the right opens up the problem that Trump’s words are also problematic for the left, especially those who really despise him and all he stands for (ok that’s not just the left).NickPalmer said:
Can't say I'm enthusiastic but I recognise that we need amicable relations with the US, and Trump seems to operate at a superficial level. A few polite phrases each way can ward off serious financial damage. Perhaps.boulay said:
Also causes problems for UK’s Labour supporters - if Trump thinks Starmer is doing a good job/ a good egg then something’s going very wrong.SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?0 -
Nah. It's robust, jokey conversation on t'Internet. At least that's what you always claim when you say utter rubbish.Leon said:
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
You are a total knob to be fair.moonshine said:
You are right I must away. Perhaps you’ll get your wish and I’ll fall off the ladder taking down the Xmas lights.JosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
Well, yes, but I don't tell other PB-ers to "fuck off and ***"JosiasJessop said:
Nah. It's robust, jokey conversation on t'Internet. At least that's what you always claim when you say utter rubbish.Leon said:
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying
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You've done much worse.Leon said:
Well, yes, but I don't tell other PB-ers to "fuck off and ***"JosiasJessop said:
Nah. It's robust, jokey conversation on t'Internet. At least that's what you always claim when you say utter rubbish.Leon said:
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying2 -
Stop being woke. This is the Internet not a fucking Edith Wharton novel.Leon said:
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying6 -
I see Leon has self-appointed himself as PB's morality police commissionaire.
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Labour members won't mind Trump saying diplomatic things about Starmer. They will mind - to the point of open revolt - if the government prioritises trade relations with the US over the EU. And at some point during the next four years that choice will probably have to be made.boulay said:
Oh I agree it’s good that we have amicable relations. I was highlighting that using Trump’s words as a dig at the right opens up the problem that Trump’s words are also problematic for the left, especially those who really despise him and all he stands for (ok that’s not just the left).NickPalmer said:
Can't say I'm enthusiastic but I recognise that we need amicable relations with the US, and Trump seems to operate at a superficial level. A few polite phrases each way can ward off serious financial damage. Perhaps.boulay said:
Also causes problems for UK’s Labour supporters - if Trump thinks Starmer is doing a good job/ a good egg then something’s going very wrong.SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?
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Aw, couple of conspiracy nuts having a cuddle. Sweet!Leon said:
Actual LOL here in Rangoon, Burmamoonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
I see paranoia has even infiltrated the headers.1
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(Laughs out loud)Leon said:
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying
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BigG - this just puts a similar responsibility on deliveries from Amazon as it does on people selling knives in small shops. There were plenty of times where I refused to sell a knife to some kids/drunk people because it was either illegal to do so or I was concerned about public safety.Big_G_NorthWales said:The government is going to introduce stricter age verification checks and ban on doorstep drops for knives to greater protect young people
In the case of Rudakubana it was his father who took in the parcel !!!!!!
It's not going to stop every attack, but I'd hope prevents some of them - would you also abolish the law about carrying knives in public? We've had a spate of terrible stabbings for under 16s in Edinburgh recently, and anything to reduce that is welcome IMO.1 -
It was a genuinely well-honed insult, I am paying respect to a fellow craftsmankinabalu said:
Aw, couple of conspiracy nuts having a cuddle. Sweet!Leon said:
Actual LOL here in Rangoon, Burmamoonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying
Biting, funny, acid, all in 16 words, and accurate enough to be personally cutting - hence the explosive reaction
Chapeau, @moonshine0 -
What I want to know is which states permit the shopping trolley to carry an Emerson twin 0.5 turret on the rear end.Dura_Ace said:
No they haven't. Gun control is a state competency and quite few states ban 'assault weapons' - New York and California for a start.RochdalePioneers said:The SC has adjudged that to mean the right to carry an AR15 round Walmart for self defence.
In the Maryland case, the Supreme Court has explicit stated that AR-15 weapons fall outside 2A protection. Although this will probably be tested again at some point.0 -
Cmon lighten up. It was figurative.Leon said:
That's quite out of orderJosiasJessop said:
Fuck off, twat. Seriously, go away. FOAD.moonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
I agree with you and absolutely reject any right for carrying knives in publicEabhal said:
BigG - this just puts a similar responsibility on deliveries from Amazon as it does on people selling knives in small shops. There were plenty of times where I refused to sell a knife to some kids/drunk people because it was either illegal to do so or I was concerned about public safety.Big_G_NorthWales said:The government is going to introduce stricter age verification checks and ban on doorstep drops for knives to greater protect young people
In the case of Rudakubana it was his father who took in the parcel !!!!!!
It's not going to stop every attack, but I'd hope prevents some of them - would you also abolish the law about carrying knives in public? We've had a spate of terrible stabbings for under 16s in Edinburgh recently, and anything to reduce that is welcome IMO.
The point I was making that in this outrage his father accepted the parcel so it would not have prevented the delivery to him1 -
I bought an antique lacquered "jattaka" Mandalay box today. And a jade bracelet. All from Bogyoke Aung Sun market
And then I had an amazing passionfruit cheesecake at Junction City, watching the beautiful children of the Burmese junta wandering around the mall like they were in downtown Santa Monica (minus the fires, but with added powercuts)
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Again?Leon said:
You just hate that I'm right. AgainRochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
Even if you're right this time, which isn't a given, when was the other time?0 -
So CIA, what first attracted you to the theory that triggers the G spot of the MAGA crowd who now control you every single fcking time?3
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This 'environment budget' exists and is called Biodiversity Net Gain.JosiasJessop said:
From the same link (which I have posted on here before):Luckyguy1983 said:FPT
FPT
Sorry but that is not true.JosiasJessop said:On the HS2 bat tunnel, my *guess* is the following happened:
*) A very detailed ecological assessment was done.
*) Bats were identified in the area.
*) The planners and designers were told to prevent as much damage as possible (because of protestors)
*) Therefore the bats had to be protected.
*) A very expensive 'solution' was designed to protect the bats.
From what I've heard (Green Signals podcast and elsewhere), there did not appear to have been any external input into the decisions HS2 made.
And at no stage was there someone representing the taxpayers saying: "Hang on, is this really needed, or if it is, can it be mitigated in a cheaper manner?" Or even: "f*** the bats."
We have got very scared of NIMBYs and protestors in this country. Not helped by the media often treating them as heroes (remember Swampy at Newbury? He's still around and doing the same old tricks).
Natural England has said that they were consulted by HS2 on whether the bat tunnel made them legally compliant. They confirmed it did.
https://naturalengland.blog.gov.uk/2024/11/08/natural-england-role-in-high-speed-2/Natural England was consulted by HS2 on whether the proposal designed to mitigate the impact of the railway on rare and protected bats was sufficient to comply with environmental law - we advised that it was.
Not running into bats was not essential because of 'protestors', you just made that up. It was essential due to the Habitats and Species regulations and legislation which are transpositions of EU directives.
Natural England's rather mealy mouthed admission is at odds with their advice to prospective planners here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/protected-species-how-to-review-planning-applicationsYou must consult Natural England if a development proposal:
might affect a site of special scientific interest (SSSI)
needs an environmental impact assessment
needs an appropriate assessment under the Habitats Regulations
Natural England may:
object to a planning application if it’s likely to harm a protected species on a SSSI
give you advice about a protected species affected by a planning proposal or on a specific issue that is not covered by this guidance
You should get advice from a qualified ecologist to help you reach a decision if you need it.
You can find one using either the:
Chartered Institute of Ecology and Environment Management (CIEEM) directory
Environmental Data Services directory
There are separate guides for:
developers to prepare a planning proposal to avoid harm or disturbance to protected species
the effect of nationally significant infrastructure projects on protected species
habitats and species of principal importance in England (Section 41 list)
The National Planning Policy Framework explains how you should apply government planning policies to a planning proposal. It sets out the mitigation hierarchy of avoiding adverse effects, mitigating for impacts if this is not possible and, as a last resort, compensating for impacts. Further guidance is set out in the natural environment planning practice guidance.
"Natural England has not required HS2 Ltd to build the reported structure, or any other structure, nor advised on the design or costs. The need for the structure was identified by HS2 Ltd more than 10 years ago, following extensive surveying of bat populations by its own ecologists in the vicinity of Sheephouse Wood."
Which was very, very different from what the HS2 bod said.
The protestors matter because HS2 (and other large projects) really, really want to avoid the protestors, who cost f-loads of money and bad publicity. Therefore they go out of their way to stop any valid (or seemingly valid) concern that agencies or protestors may come up with.
As the NE statement says, they did not require HS2 to build the tunnel. It's perfectly possible that NE might have approved an approach that was lesser cost; but HS2 decided to gold-plate it. Perhaps NE would have declined any other approach, but it appears they were not consulted.
What should have happened, once the bats were identified in the area, was for HS2 and NE to work together to see the best way to mitigate the damage that might occur to the bats' habitat, with the taxpayer's interests weighed up as well.
Another approach - which I would like to see - is for a set part of any large project's budget - say, 5% - to be placed into an 'environment' budget. This money is then spent on mitigating the project's effects. But it is a limited amount that cannot expand, and it would be up to NE, EH and all other interested organisations to allocate and spend.
A project is supposed to evaluate the habitat that is being destroyed and pay for equivalent 'value' habitat improvements either on their own land or on someone else's land.
Unfortunately the scheme was designed by DEFRA and is the worst piece of inconsistent tick box crap imaginable. No sane ecologist wants to get involved. Mrs Flatlander is flatly refusing to do any BNG assessments for development work so it will and up as a licence to print money for the big consultancies.
In any case, irreplaceable habitat such as ancient woodland has to be treated differently as you can't just plant a few trees in a field to compensate.
Something like HS2 needs the government just to say, sod it, we are doing this - using legislation if needed. If they want to throw some sops to the protestors by having an 'HS2 environment improvement fund' then fine.3 -
When he kept calmer with Starmer?ydoethur said:
Again?Leon said:
You just hate that I'm right. AgainRochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
Even if you're right this time, which isn't a given, when was the other time?0 -
Oh dear, how squabbly.
*goes off to finish a novel*0 -
Of course, there are other people who are right all the time.Scott_xP said:
He counts all the times he took both sides of the bet as "being right"ydoethur said:Even if you're right this time, which isn't a given, when was the other time?
Musk and Trump, for instance, are not just right but positively far right all the time.1 -
WrongTheuniondivvie said:So CIA, what first attracted you to the theory that triggers the G spot of the MAGA crowd who now control you every single fcking time?
It was the Biden admin that asked the CIA to re-examine all the evidence on Covid, and take a stance on the Origin
It's made quite clear in the NYT article and no one claims otherwise. The only difference now is that Trump has put his man at the top, John Ratcliffe. and he has made this internal judgment public1 -
That depends. I'm 82 this April. I'm going skiing this March. I think I'd cope with being President or PM, given the chance.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another year for me to achieve 82, but the physical effort day to day would make it impossible no matter how many helpers were availableMexicanpete said:
I disagree. Trump wasn't very bright at 42, but someone like yourself as sharp as a tack at 82 could make appropriate policy. From the physicality point of view, so long as you can handle a Sharpie pen you could do just fine. Remember you would have lackies to do the actual and metaphorical heavy lifting.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would just add you do not need to be dead or totally out of it to be unable to deal with the physical effort of being POTUS at 82rottenborough said:
If Trump is not dead or totally 'out of it' then 2028 will not remotely be a normal election.RochdalePioneers said:
This. The law, and law enforcement, and the supreme court. All will be owned by Trump. They learned the lesson of the first term, and are exclusively appointing foaming loyalists to every position and in every agency. Especially the ones who are clearly not up to the job. Their job isn't to be good, its to ensure the thing is loyal to Trump.rottenborough said:
I suspect he and the GOP will just run him (assume he has not shuffled off this mortal coil).TheScreamingEagles said:
He doesn't need to pass an amendment, he just needs SCOTUS to rule that the 22nd Amendment only applies to consecutive terms.Casino_Royale said:
Ok, but am I wrong? How does Trump pass an amendment to it with these requirements and the political reality on the ground?Theuniondivvie said:
I don’t think precise design is an accurate description of the US constitution, more a lash up with several ancient components not fit for modern purpose and subject to constant tinkering.Casino_Royale said:There is some Trump paranoia /derangement going on here. He's just one man. Sure, a demented one, but the constitution of the USA was designed with its checks and balances precisely for this.
I don't see, with the Dems holding essentially half the House and 45%+ of the Senate, plus many states, how any of these criteria pass.
Assume he wins they will then just plough on with the certification etc etc. Vance is veep. So he certifies.
Whose gonna stop it?
As I understand it the states have the ability to run general elections as they see fit. Some will likely see that Trump is a Bad Man. And find themselves removed from the process by the government. Remember that states rights only works when the state agrees with the centre (also cf Thatcher vs Livingstone) - if a groovy state decides that Trump can't be on the ballot, they won't be allowed to set the ballot. And imagine the fun should He be excluded in a state - they'd simply declare the state void and insert delegates for Trump.
The American system doesn't elect the president anyway, merely electors who are appointed by the state. A streamlined more modern process would be to simply have the state appoint electors - or should the state prove to be full of traitors have the local GOP do it. Far more democratic.
Seriously - who would stop him? The FBI? Run by Trump. State courts? Ignore them. Local police? ignore them. The Supreme Court? Owned by Trump.2 -
KBAndersen refers to Stephen Kotkin, one of my favourite lecturers, enlivened by the fact that he is a Joe Pesci looky-likey. Kotkin's article is here: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/trump-and-future-american-power-stephen-kotkinScott_xP said:
This in a nutshell explains why Trump won the election.moonshine said:It is an interesting contrast between him and Trump. Obama was the president that at a personal level inspired and set the example to your kids. Trump is basically the opposite.
Obama is the exemplar American President, to non-Americans.
Trump is the most American candidate in decades
https://x.com/KBAndersen/status/18816826467593507060 -
Writing I hope.Carnyx said:Oh dear, how squabbly.
*goes off to finish a novel*
Perhaps a Flashmanesque romp involving the RN at height of Empire?0 -
Compliments from Trump only become a problem if we start believing he's sincere.boulay said:
Oh I agree it’s good that we have amicable relations. I was highlighting that using Trump’s words as a dig at the right opens up the problem that Trump’s words are also problematic for the left, especially those who really despise him and all he stands for (ok that’s not just the left).NickPalmer said:
Can't say I'm enthusiastic but I recognise that we need amicable relations with the US, and Trump seems to operate at a superficial level. A few polite phrases each way can ward off serious financial damage. Perhaps.boulay said:
Also causes problems for UK’s Labour supporters - if Trump thinks Starmer is doing a good job/ a good egg then something’s going very wrong.SouthamObserver said:The UK's Trumpists may have to confront his cognitive decline sooner than expected.
Keir Starmer is "a very good person" doing "a very good job", the US president says. "I have a very good relationship with him." That wasn't supposed to be part of the narrative, was it?1 -
Babar Azam and Saud Shakeel doing a fine job for Pakistan here.
West Indies will be pretty gutted if they lose this, but it's looking very possible.
Edit - damn, I'm good.0 -
I know causation ≠correlation, but is it a coincidence that the PB conspiracy nuts have changed their usernames at least once?kinabalu said:
Aw, couple of conspiracy nuts having a cuddle. Sweet!Leon said:
Actual LOL here in Rangoon, Burmamoonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0 -
Ed Miliband showed how quickly ministers can act when they have a policy and not just a vague aspiration.Taz said:Another potentially good move by Reeves who seems to get it with regard to growth and is not just talking about it but doing stuff. Reeves has had a good couple of weeks I think in looking at putting in place foundations to fire up growth.
https://x.com/sam_dumitriu/status/1883446963842265123?s=61
Meanwhile labour figures are starting to brief against fanatic Ed Miliband.
https://x.com/mailonline/status/1883206341746995667?s=61
As technocrats, Reeves and Starmer sincerely believe that departmental experts must know the objectively correct solution that the evil Tories were blocking. Well, the Tories have gone so why is nothing improving? Ah, complacent bath water!0 -
Those who doubt Trump will try for a 3rd time should have a think and write down the piece of evidence that would change their mind... then if it happens, they can change their mind?
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No, you were doing playground ganging up.Leon said:
It was a genuinely well-honed insult, I am paying respect to a fellow craftsmankinabalu said:
Aw, couple of conspiracy nuts having a cuddle. Sweet!Leon said:
Actual LOL here in Rangoon, Burmamoonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying
Biting, funny, acid, all in 16 words, and accurate enough to be personally cutting - hence the explosive reaction
Chapeau, @moonshine
A specialism of PB rightists, I've noticed. You guys can be quite infantile in that respect.1 -
What about those who have changed their usernames but are not conspiracy nuts?Theuniondivvie said:
I know causation ≠correlation, but is it a coincidence that the PB conspiracy nuts have changed their usernames at least once?kinabalu said:
Aw, couple of conspiracy nuts having a cuddle. Sweet!Leon said:
Actual LOL here in Rangoon, Burmamoonshine said:
Often I come to the site and feel intellectually enriched. And other times, JossiasJessop is here.Leon said:
Seriously? It's "fairly irrelevant" if this global pandemic was caused by dangerous science?JosiasJessop said:
"But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters"Leon said:
This is bollocks, I have been quite forceful in saying the later lockdowns were a disaster, and they wereSonofContrarian said:
The real controversy is our response to COVID, which Leon never goes near of course..🤨😏RochdalePioneers said:
I know that this subject obsesses you. Can you understand how most of us are so deeply bored of Covid that we don't care either way? It happened. It was shit. Move on. You think we can keep digging away at this and find named culprits? Individuals who can be brought to justice for Covid?Leon said:Laydeez and genullmen, harken to the words of Germany’s “leading” virologist Christan Drosten,
For years he’s been adamant it came from the wet market. Now, surprise surprise - as the CIA says it likely came from the lab - he’s suddenly seen the light
"The more I think about it, the more skeptical I become"
"In my initial assessment of the origin of the virus, I didn't know anything about it. In 2021, with the help of the American FOIA, it was published that American scientists had already applied for research funding in 2018 for work that, in my opinion, is by no means harmless."
"I were to insert an artificial furin cleavage site into Sars viruses, I would be doing something that may not even exist in nature and which I could already assume makes the virus more transmissible."
"The public is rightly asking...I have doubted that for a long time. But recently I have sometimes had a bad feeling."
https://taz.de/Christian-Drosten/!6061896/
Watch as they all do this. The last virologists pretending it came from the market will quietly pretend they were “skeptical” all along
We have enough of today's problems to deal with than to worry about all that. Even your AI obsession is more relevant than Covid.
And masking has been terrible for many societies, eg Japan, Korea - I explicitly said that on my recent visit to Japan and Korea
But the ORIGIN of Covid ALSO matters
FFS this site gets massively exercised by the Post Office subpostmasters scandal. And that was, indeed, a scandal. But Covid dwarves it by seventy eight orders of magnitude. MILLIONS died because of out-of-control science in badly run labs
Bad as she is Paula Vennels is not quite in that league
Why?
I'd argue it's fairly irrelevant unless you want to make something else out of it. Which, of course, you never would.
If natural via wet market, or lab-leak, the important thing is to ensure it never happens again. Brainlessly going on about one of the possibilities means that the other one get ignored. And it is not as though pandemics have ever started naturally before, is it?
I mean, lol. Stupefying0
