Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.
The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.
Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.
The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.
And even then it'd presumably need to be very carefully drafted. Miss one crucial reference to some other legislation and the professional JR objectors will get in.
See link to chronology of what happened with the Stonehenge Tunnel.
It's like Fawlty Towers - literally endless applications for JRs, appeals, futher appeals etc etc etc.
And every little step takes months, eg:
- Minister issues DCO - Then wait time period when someone can apply for JR - JR applied for on last possible day - Wait months for Court hearing - Wait more months for Judgement
Govt is poised to: - give public support to third runway at Heathrow - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions - approve Lower Thames Crossing - approve a Universal Studios theme park
So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.
If true, that's excellent news and should have been done years ago.
Talking of packaging, has the requirement to the state origin of food gone? Or maybe it never existed? Tons of food in the supermarket now say things like “mix of EU and non-EU [ingredients]”. I would like to know where there stuff came from…
Most of the fresh fruit and veg I've seen in Tesco does have the country on it. Grapes from Spain, asparagus from Peru etc.
Sainsbury's too.
My local hippy-dippy veg shop has the distance the produce has travelled on the labels. Tatties from Ayrshire? 20miles. Red peppers from Spain? "Hunners and hunners".
Trouble is that once the EU folk run into droughts and so on, we get cut first cos it's more expensive to deal with the UK than the EU.
My community shop isn't quite so precise, but one can work it out on Google Maps from the postcodes. Meat from East Lothian and Tweeddale. Not thje other side of the world.
I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.
The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.
Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.
The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.
And even then it'd presumably need to be very carefully drafted. Miss one crucial reference to some other legislation and the professional JR objectors will get in.
See link to chronology of what happened with the Stonehenge Tunnel.
It's like Fawlty Towers - literally endless applications for JRs, appeals, futher appeals etc etc etc.
And every little step takes months, eg:
- Minister issues DCO - Then wait time period when someone can apply for JR - JR applied for on last possible day - Wait months for Court hearing - Wait more months for Judgement
What are you complaining about? Stonehenge took a lot longer to build originally. Like millennia. And just getting the Welsh planning permission to demolish that circle in the Preselis ...
Govt is poised to: - give public support to third runway at Heathrow - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions - approve Lower Thames Crossing - approve a Universal Studios theme park
So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.
If true, that's excellent news and should have been done years ago.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.
The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
Nah, I nominate Musk to be the first man to walk on The Sun, the Neil Armstrong of our generation.
The DfE are booked for that flight. Parliament is going to Pluto Uranus, maybe??
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
Reports are that Microsoft are in the doghouse due to their close association with the ICC, upgrading their IT systems.
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.
The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
Nah, I nominate Musk to be the first man to walk on The Sun, the Neil Armstrong of our generation.
The DfE are booked for that flight. Parliament is going to Pluto Uranus, maybe??
As my other half, friends, and colleagues all say, I am such a fucking child.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
Reports are that Microsoft are in the doghouse due to their close association with the ICC, upgrading their IT systems.
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.
The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
Nah, I nominate Musk to be the first man to walk on The Sun, the Neil Armstrong of our generation.
The DfE are booked for that flight. Parliament is going to Pluto Uranus, maybe??
As my other half, friends, and colleagues all say, I am such a fucking child.
{Narrator : some say that a gentle, underarm lob to a prepared batsman is not cricket…}
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.
The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
Nah, I nominate Musk to be the first man to walk on The Sun, the Neil Armstrong of our generation.
The DfE are booked for that flight. Parliament is going to Pluto Uranus, maybe??
As my other half, friends, and colleagues all say, I am such a fucking child.
Meh, it's better than becoming a joyless old fart. Seriousness should only be when the situation demands it.
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
So it seems that the 'Biden crime family' claims have been confirmed.
Very silly. Did you right wingers miss Trump's pre-Presidential life, his Presidency, his sedition, his trials including the adjudicated rape trial and his currency scam.
That just means we have a Trump crime family to go with the Biden crime family.
I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.
The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.
Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.
The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.
And even then it'd presumably need to be very carefully drafted. Miss one crucial reference to some other legislation and the professional JR objectors will get in.
See link to chronology of what happened with the Stonehenge Tunnel.
It's like Fawlty Towers - literally endless applications for JRs, appeals, futher appeals etc etc etc.
And every little step takes months, eg:
- Minister issues DCO - Then wait time period when someone can apply for JR - JR applied for on last possible day - Wait months for Court hearing - Wait more months for Judgement
What are you complaining about? Stonehenge took a lot longer to build originally. Like millennia. And just getting the Welsh planning permission to demolish that circle in the Preselis ...
They say that phase II of Offa's Dyke is nearly ready. Just need to sort out the design for bat proofing it….
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Musk was namedropped as a great man in that show IIRC.
Must have been right before his reputation went from being just among nerdish fanboys to alt right trolls.
Yup. Series 1 of Star Trek: Discovery (2017). Lorca said it. It did stand out a bit because Star Trek canon regarding the late 20th/early 21st century is totally f****d at this point.
There's something about trying to claim Muskybaby was apeing fascist Kirk that I thought would suggest I'm not remotely serious. Incidentally, "not remotely serious" is the best way to describe Star Trek Discovery.
Fix the canon by forgetting it ever existed. Just like I have Twitter. For a happier life.
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
The UK is the second most attractive country for investment behind the US, signalling a climb up the rankings, according to an annual survey of global business leaders by the consultancy PwC.
Published at the start of the World Economic Forum (WEF) in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, the survey of almost 5,000 chief executives from 109 countries puts the UK in second place, ahead of China, Germany and India.
That marks the highest ranking for the UK in the survey’s 28-year history – up from fourth in 2024 - and appears to belie some of the gloom that has hovered over the economy in recent months.
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.
The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.
Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.
The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.
And even then it'd presumably need to be very carefully drafted. Miss one crucial reference to some other legislation and the professional JR objectors will get in.
See link to chronology of what happened with the Stonehenge Tunnel.
It's like Fawlty Towers - literally endless applications for JRs, appeals, futher appeals etc etc etc.
And every little step takes months, eg:
- Minister issues DCO - Then wait time period when someone can apply for JR - JR applied for on last possible day - Wait months for Court hearing - Wait more months for Judgement
What are you complaining about? Stonehenge took a lot longer to build originally. Like millennia. And just getting the Welsh planning permission to demolish that circle in the Preselis ...
They say that phase II of Offa's Dyke is nearly ready. Just need to sort out the design for bat proofing it….
BTW, do you have a reference for that old naval gunnery calibre/windage research stuff please, that you mentioned the other day? Feel free to PM if you prefer not to disclose your associates to all and sundry.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
Reports are that Microsoft are in the doghouse due to their close association with the ICC, upgrading their IT systems.
Was Tim Cook there?
Yep - saw him on the podium behind the President - so in the posh seats
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
Reports are that Microsoft are in the doghouse due to their close association with the ICC, upgrading their IT systems.
Well, the Usonians don't like cricket so it's hardly surprising.
Meanwhile, just outside the doors to the Capital One Arena, it appears a lot of people were willing to sacrifice their bags to get inside (which weren’t allowed in).
People on the streets have been going around scooping about the dozens of abandoned handbags.
This just seems bizarre.
Being able to leave bags outside seems like a potential terrorism threat and people just walking off with them looks like blatant theft.
I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.
The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.
Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.
The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.
And even then it'd presumably need to be very carefully drafted. Miss one crucial reference to some other legislation and the professional JR objectors will get in.
See link to chronology of what happened with the Stonehenge Tunnel.
It's like Fawlty Towers - literally endless applications for JRs, appeals, futher appeals etc etc etc.
And every little step takes months, eg:
- Minister issues DCO - Then wait time period when someone can apply for JR - JR applied for on last possible day - Wait months for Court hearing - Wait more months for Judgement
What are you complaining about? Stonehenge took a lot longer to build originally. Like millennia. And just getting the Welsh planning permission to demolish that circle in the Preselis ...
They say that phase II of Offa's Dyke is nearly ready. Just need to sort out the design for bat proofing it….
BTW, do you have a reference for that old naval gunnery calibre/windage research stuff please, that you mentioned the other day? Feel free to PM if you prefer not to disclose your associates to all and sundry.
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
One good thing about the UK is that I'm confident that acting like Musk has today would be the end of his political/government career if he did that here.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
One good thing about the UK is that I'm confident that acting like Musk has today would be the end of his political/government career if he did that here.
Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.
It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.
Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.
The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
Nah, I nominate Musk to be the first man to walk on The Sun, the Neil Armstrong of our generation.
The DfE are booked for that flight. Parliament is going to Pluto Uranus, maybe??
As my other half, friends, and colleagues all say, I am such a fucking child.
Mum just called me a 50 year-old man-child! (don't ask!)
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
His Mum was white.
WhisperingOrcale said "of not entirely" rather than "entirely not of".
Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
I would have thought Germany has a higher prevalence of Bushes.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Georges Bouche.
I am assured by several French ex-pats living here that rumours of Bush predominating in France are bullshit.
I wonder how Donald Trump feels tonight about being upstaged on his big day.
It is going to be very interesting to see how the Trump/Musk thing works out now that the power relationship has changed significantly - with Trump now having Presidential power.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Comes on stage bouncing and cheering like a toddler Says this is what victory feels like and thumps the lectern like a pre-teen Does the Duce salute twice and says "my heart goes out to you" Gets giddy about a Murican landing on Mars and plants the flag twice in a madly over the top way Sounds very Sarfafricaan at times
Not remotely a Nazi salute. Just a small child innocently doing the most inappropriate thing at the most inappropriate time because doesn't know any better.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
which one?
Dubya, but you have to go back a long way. Harry Truman had some French ancestry, again going a long way back.
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Just means HMRC will* have to set up a new system to do the collection from the exporters and the payment for any exports to the US. Anything else would be a massive subsidy to the exporters from the taxpayer.
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ? Quite curious, if so.
Yes. (If you count France as North European. A few Presidents have had some French ancestry, most recently Bush.)
Why am I not surprised that Bush originates from France.
Georges Bouche.
I like the instant new Twitter term for Musk.
Il Douche.
That's very good.
Better than my suggestion, which was sadly censored by this site.
On topic. It’s still socially unacceptable in the UK to admit you were relieved by the election of Trump, even if he is a bit of a bar steward. Anecdotally I think this is starting to recede. “I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but…” is something increasingly heard.
The But being variously fiscal discipline (relatively), credible deterrence to autocrats, the watering down of DEI, purring animal spirits etc…
One wonders how these British voters will assess the trump project if economically it’s a clear success and if by 2029 we see cargo landings on Mars. How many I wonder will claim that back in 2024 they always backed him over Biden? Not many dare say it today because it remains a thought crime. But I suspect it won’t stay that way for long.
Comes on stage bouncing and cheering like a toddler Says this is what victory feels like and thumps the lectern like a pre-teen Does the Duce salute twice and says "my heart goes out to you" Gets giddy about a Murican landing on Mars and plants the flag twice in a madly over the top way Sounds very Sarfafricaan at times
Not remotely a Nazi salute. Just a small child innocently doing the most inappropriate thing at the most inappropriate time because doesn't know any better.
Doesn’t know any better and doesn’t care. I think that’s the difference. I don’t think for a moment he was intending a fascist salute, and I could imagine another individuals doing something like that unintentionally and then realising and trying to cover it up (say by joining it with other hand), but he sees no need to.
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Just means HMRC will* have to set up a new system to do the collection from the exporters and the payment for any exports to the US. Anything else would be a massive subsidy to the exporters from the taxpayer.
On topic. It’s still socially unacceptable in the UK to admit you were relieved by the election of Trump, even if he is a bit of a bar steward. Anecdotally I think this is starting to recede. “I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but…” is something increasingly heard.
The But being variously fiscal discipline (relatively), credible deterrence to autocrats, the watering down of DEI, purring animal spirits etc…
One wonders how these British voters will assess the trump project if economically it’s a clear success and if by 2029 we see cargo landings on Mars. How many I wonder will claim that back in 2024 they always backed him over Biden? Not many dare say it today because it remains a thought crime. But I suspect it won’t stay that way for long.
Let’s say Trump imposes a 20% tariff on a thing. That means the person importing the thing has to pay 20% of its value to the US Government
In other words, tariffs will put up the price of everything Murica imports which has one slapped on it. Which may be an awful lot of stuff.
The “China will pay the China tariff” suggestion was latched onto by low information Trump voters who mystified and then angry in vox pops when the usually smart arsed interviewer explains it to them
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Eh?
I don't think that's true at all.
You can trace the logic.
1. Tariffs are a lovely alternative to Americans paying taxes. 2. But if American consumers have to pay them, then prices will go up bigly. 3. And if firms exporting into America have to pay them, they will have to put their prices up. 4. Erm... 5. Foreign governments should pay them instead. That'll show them. And the important thing is that Americans aren't paying taxes.
I mean, it's proper bonkers, but the logic is traceable.
WCAX-TV is reporting that a Border Patrol Agent has been shot and killed by an Illegal Immigrant on I-91 in Vermont, near the U.S-Canadian Border; with the Shooting happening within the Town of Newport in Orleans County.
Let’s say Trump imposes a 20% tariff on a thing. That means the person importing the thing has to pay 20% of its value to the US Government
In other words, tariffs will put up the price of everything Murica imports which has one slapped on it. Which may be an awful lot of stuff.
The “China will pay the China tariff” suggestion was latched onto by low information Trump voters who mystified and then angry in vox pops when the usually smart arsed interviewer explains it to them
Indeed.
What's not clear is if Trump even understands this. He seems to view a trade deficit as money one country pays another and therefore which those countries "owe" the US, as opposed to people in one country enjoying the purchase of items they want from people in another country.
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Just means HMRC will* have to set up a new system to do the collection from the exporters and the payment for any exports to the US. Anything else would be a massive subsidy to the exporters from the taxpayer.
Just think what could go wrong .....
*Assuming, of course, this commentator is right.
I agree and not sure how accurate his comment it
Having said that ... I sometimes order stuff from overseas. And there is an increasing tendency worldwide to make the overseas firm collect the (in this case) UK VAT and, if applicable, import duties and pay the UK customs. Now in a way this is good because the parcel doesn't have to sit around waiting for HMRC to levy taxes and then the Post Office to get the money off me with an admin charge of £10 or £16, which is a huge pain for small orders.
Not the same thing, of course, but the logic of getting the foreigner to do all the work and cough up in advance is there. So I wonder just a little bit. Especially if the Usonians can say, not a single penny did an American pay in tariffs.
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Eh?
I don't think that's true at all.
It did sound strange
Tariffs are just customs duties. They are assessed by customs officials at the point of importation, and fall on whoever is the owner of the goods - and the importer of record - when they are imported.
Now, sometimes the importer is the company that exported the product (ie the seller). They import, pay the duty then store the goods and sell them on duty-paid. At other times the importer is the buyer - typically if the seller doesn’t have warehouse facilities in the destination country. And sometimes the importer is an intermediary ie a wholesaler / distributor.
Then there’s a load of complexity on top of this, and a bunch of reliefs.
Either way, the financial impact of the duty is borne ultimately by either the end customer or various parties in the supply chain depending on supply/demand economics. It’s a cost of moving goods.
The advantage for the levying nation isn’t usually the duty raised but the ability to protect domestic producers from competition.
Providing they go easy on the thought-police stuff (never a guarantee) this policing bill could be a success for Labour politically.
Where is Kemi on this? I mentioned weeks ago that they should get on the front foot on crime, embracing the 'crush crime' campaign, as it was an all-encompassing issue that pisses off Waitrose shopping Lib Dems (who they inexplicably want to continue to pander to) and Wetherspoons patrons alike.
Instead the USELESS lot of them are sitting on their USELESS behinds, and they're not going to have any response to this crime and policing bill except to vote for it.
So why don't they get their finger out and develop a good crime and justice policy and put it out there, so that when Labour's bill comes out it will either be deemed a copy, or it will be different and they can point to theirs being better.
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Just means HMRC will* have to set up a new system to do the collection from the exporters and the payment for any exports to the US. Anything else would be a massive subsidy to the exporters from the taxpayer.
I wonder how Donald Trump feels tonight about being upstaged on his big day.
It is going to be very interesting to see how the Trump/Musk thing works out now that the power relationship has changed significantly - with Trump now having Presidential power.
A commentator has just said tariffs will be payable by the country's government's and not the exporters
Is this generally understood ?
Just means HMRC will* have to set up a new system to do the collection from the exporters and the payment for any exports to the US. Anything else would be a massive subsidy to the exporters from the taxpayer.
Just think what could go wrong .....
*Assuming, of course, this commentator is right.
I agree and not sure how accurate his comment it
Having said that ... I sometimes order stuff from overseas. And there is an increasing tendency worldwide to make the overseas firm collect the (in this case) UK VAT and, if applicable, import duties and pay the UK customs. Now in a way this is good because the parcel doesn't have to sit around waiting for HMRC to levy taxes and then the Post Office to get the money off me with an admin charge of £10 or £16, which is a huge pain for small orders.
Not the same thing, of course, but the logic of getting the foreigner to do all the work and cough up in advance is there. So I wonder just a little bit. Especially if the Usonians can say, not a single penny did an American pay in tariffs.
That’s just the case where the overseas firm chooses to import the goods itself (usually using a customs agent) because otherwise it would lose customers post-Brexit.
Providing they go easy on the thought-police stuff (never a guarantee) this policing bill could be a success for Labour politically.
Where is Kemi on this? I mentioned weeks ago that they should get on the front foot on crime, embracing the 'crush crime' campaign, as it was an all-encompassing issue that pisses off Waitrose shopping Lib Dems (who they inexplicably want to continue to pander to) and Wetherspoons patrons alike.
Instead the USELESS lot of them are sitting on their USELESS behinds, and they're not going to have any response to this crime and policing bill except to vote for it.
So why don't they get their finger out and develop a good crime and justice policy and put it out there, so that when Labour's bill comes out it will either be deemed a copy, or it will be different and they can point to theirs being better.
Did I say the word USELESS??
No, can't see it in your post even with a text search. Not at all.
Providing they go easy on the thought-police stuff (never a guarantee) this policing bill could be a success for Labour politically.
Where is Kemi on this? I mentioned weeks ago that they should get on the front foot on crime, embracing the 'crush crime' campaign, as it was an all-encompassing issue that pisses off Waitrose shopping Lib Dems (who they inexplicably want to continue to pander to) and Wetherspoons patrons alike.
Instead the USELESS lot of them are sitting on their USELESS behinds, and they're not going to have any response to this crime and policing bill except to vote for it.
So why don't they get their finger out and develop a good crime and justice policy and put it out there, so that when Labour's bill comes out it will either be deemed a copy, or it will be different and they can point to theirs being better.
Did I say the word USELESS??
There’s zero point developing policy on something like that immediately before the government is about to publish their own bill. Of course they should oppose, and point out areas that would be done differently, but they don’t yet net to be a government in waiting.
Let’s say Trump imposes a 20% tariff on a thing. That means the person importing the thing has to pay 20% of its value to the US Government
In other words, tariffs will put up the price of everything Murica imports which has one slapped on it. Which may be an awful lot of stuff.
The “China will pay the China tariff” suggestion was latched onto by low information Trump voters who mystified and then angry in vox pops when the usually smart arsed interviewer explains it to them
Indeed.
What's not clear is if Trump even understands this. He seems to view a trade deficit as money one country pays another and therefore which those countries "owe" the US, as opposed to people in one country enjoying the purchase of items they want from people in another country.
It isn’t about whether Trump understands it. It’s about whether his voters understand it. Slap a 20% tariff on Chinese imports and your iPhone costs $200 more. Not a vote winner! But say we’re bringing jobs home to Murica and China will pay? A vote winner.
When it all goes tits up and your iPhone costs $1,200 not $1,000? Blame the Biden crime family or someone else.
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It's like Fawlty Towers - literally endless applications for JRs, appeals, futher appeals etc etc etc.
And every little step takes months, eg:
- Minister issues DCO
- Then wait time period when someone can apply for JR
- JR applied for on last possible day
- Wait months for Court hearing
- Wait more months for Judgement
and on and on and on it goes.
https://stonehengealliance.org.uk/a303-dco-application-2014-to-present/
My community shop isn't quite so precise, but one can work it out on Google Maps from the postcodes. Meat from East Lothian and Tweeddale. Not thje other side of the world.
Parliament is going to Pluto
Uranus, maybe??
Am I right on thinking that Barack Obama is in fact the only U.S. President there's ever been to be of not entirely North European descent ?
Quite curious, if so.
As my other half, friends, and colleagues all say, I am such a fucking child.
It reminded me of his, almost uncontrolled, jack-in-the-box antics at the Trump campaign rallies.
Full speed ahead to the Musk Von Braun takeover of Mars.
Fix the canon by forgetting it ever existed. Just like I have Twitter. For a happier life.
https://x.com/sharrond62/status/1881444724474831346
But money needs to be invested somewhere.
And if a country can successfully receive investment it can make it even more attractive for future rounds of investment.
Feedback loops.
Senior EU officials are in utter disbelief
Meanwhile, just outside the doors to the Capital One Arena, it appears a lot of people were willing to sacrifice their bags to get inside (which weren’t allowed in).
People on the streets have been going around scooping about the dozens of abandoned handbags.
This just seems bizarre.
Being able to leave bags outside seems like a potential terrorism threat and people just walking off with them looks like blatant theft.
Is there any competent security in Washington ?
There must be volunteers for a one way trip.
Can anybody think of a similarly innocent explanation?
I doubt he would have deleted it himself. The much-vsunted Musk free speech in action, it seems to be.
But I think that highly unfair.
I don't actually turn 50 till the autumn.
August 2024: We have nothing to do with Project 2025
November 7 2024: Sike! Every author of Project 2025 is in the administration
January 20 2025: That wasn't a Nazi salute
March 2025: Every student must Sieg Heil during their pledge to Trump before homeroom
I wonder how Donald Trump feels tonight about being upstaged on his big day.
Il Douche.
Comes on stage bouncing and cheering like a toddler
Says this is what victory feels like and thumps the lectern like a pre-teen
Does the Duce salute twice and says "my heart goes out to you"
Gets giddy about a Murican landing on Mars and plants the flag twice in a madly over the top way
Sounds very Sarfafricaan at times
Not remotely a Nazi salute. Just a small child innocently doing the most inappropriate thing at the most inappropriate time because doesn't know any better.
Is this generally understood ?
I don't think that's true at all.
@Kash_Patel "We just ushered in a new dynasty"
Not sure he meant what he said at that moment but the slip gives away the wider plan.
Just think what could go wrong .....
*Assuming, of course, this commentator is right.
Vivek Ramaswamy will not serve in Donald Trump's new Department of Government Efficiency, the White House says (via AP)
The But being variously fiscal discipline (relatively), credible deterrence to autocrats, the watering down of DEI, purring animal spirits etc…
One wonders how these British voters will assess the trump project if economically it’s a clear success and if by 2029 we see cargo landings on Mars. How many I wonder will claim that back in 2024 they always backed him over Biden? Not many dare say it today because it remains a thought crime. But I suspect it won’t stay that way for long.
Aye, right...
In other words, tariffs will put up the price of everything Murica imports which has one slapped on it. Which may be an awful lot of stuff.
The “China will pay the China tariff” suggestion was latched onto by low information Trump voters who mystified and then angry in vox pops when the usually smart arsed interviewer explains it to them
1. Tariffs are a lovely alternative to Americans paying taxes.
2. But if American consumers have to pay them, then prices will go up bigly.
3. And if firms exporting into America have to pay them, they will have to put their prices up.
4. Erm...
5. Foreign governments should pay them instead. That'll show them. And the important thing is that Americans aren't paying taxes.
I mean, it's proper bonkers, but the logic is traceable.
WCAX-TV is reporting that a Border Patrol Agent has been shot and killed by an Illegal Immigrant on I-91 in Vermont, near the U.S-Canadian Border; with the Shooting happening within the Town of Newport in Orleans County.
As Nikki da Costa says, legislation of this magnitude should be scrutinised in public.
I just put a few £ on Klobuchar at 160/1
What's not clear is if Trump even understands this. He seems to view a trade deficit as money one country pays another and therefore which those countries "owe" the US, as opposed to people in one country enjoying the purchase of items they want from people in another country.
Not the same thing, of course, but the logic of getting the foreigner to do all the work and cough up in advance is there. So I wonder just a little bit. Especially if the Usonians can say, not a single penny did an American pay in tariffs.
Now, sometimes the importer is the company that exported the product (ie the seller). They import, pay the duty then store the goods and sell them on duty-paid. At other times the importer is the buyer - typically if the seller doesn’t have warehouse facilities in the destination country. And sometimes the importer is an intermediary ie a wholesaler / distributor.
Then there’s a load of complexity on top of this, and a bunch of reliefs.
Either way, the financial impact of the duty is borne ultimately by either the end customer or various parties in the supply chain depending on supply/demand economics. It’s a cost of moving goods.
The advantage for the levying nation isn’t usually the duty raised but the ability to protect domestic producers from competition.
For Dem nominee or for Pres?
https://order-order.com/2025/01/20/home-office-developing-plans-to-allow-police-to-seize-stolen-items-without-a-warrant/
Providing they go easy on the thought-police stuff (never a guarantee) this policing bill could be a success for Labour politically.
Where is Kemi on this? I mentioned weeks ago that they should get on the front foot on crime, embracing the 'crush crime' campaign, as it was an all-encompassing issue that pisses off Waitrose shopping Lib Dems (who they inexplicably want to continue to pander to) and Wetherspoons patrons alike.
Instead the USELESS lot of them are sitting on their USELESS behinds, and they're not going to have any response to this crime and policing bill except to vote for it.
So why don't they get their finger out and develop a good crime and justice policy and put it out there, so that when Labour's bill comes out it will either be deemed a copy, or it will be different and they can point to theirs being better.
Did I say the word USELESS??
Responded to Tweet its saying is unavailable?
Reckon it is a trading bet.
Tempted also by the ability to lay Ramaswamy at 44. I mean... FFS.
BF doesn't even have a market up for the individual party nominees.
They need to get a grip.
11AM: How bad could the new administration be?
4PM: And Elon did that how many times?
When it all goes tits up and your iPhone costs $1,200 not $1,000? Blame the Biden crime family or someone else.