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edited February 18 in General
Standing shoulder to shoulder with Trump might not be very popular – politicalbetting.com

Its inauguration day in the US and new polling by @IpsosUK shows 63% of Britons have an unfavourable view of incoming President Trump.https://t.co/hZebGgK8Zy pic.twitter.com/MEI2aHT3ty

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,116
    First!! Like America when it renames most of the Northern hemisphere map.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,398
    edited January 20
    I don't believe Trump's absurd tariff policy will help Starmer much either.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,116
    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    A leader like Blair would seize the opportunity to stand shoulder to shoulder with the US as they face down the Mexican terrorist cartels and pledge British military support.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,757
    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Amazon is based in Seattle too isn’t it?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,116
    Anecdata.

    But my wife's carer walked in this evening as we were watching the last few TV minutes of Trump speech at Capitol and she said - "Urhhh. He's really scary. What's going to happen to us all?"

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,398
    edited January 20
    williamglenn said:

    A leader like Blair would seize the opportunity to stand shoulder to shoulder with the US as they face down the Mexican terrorist cartels and pledge British military support.

    Like he did in Iraq?

    Next.

    And stop diminishing us Mexicans.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,116
    Omnium said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
    Seems a long way to go for water.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,353
    SHOULDER to SHOUDLER?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,350
    Very similar age split on Musk too. UK pensioners detest him, yet Reform voters are very keen. Not really sure what to make of all this, other than there is a glimmer of hope for One Nation Conservatism.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,471
    Mexicanpete said:

    I don't believe it will help Starmer either.

    Quite soon Starmer is going to get asked some mad questions like "do you support the US invasion of Panama?" No answer will do him any favours. If we stick to our principles we'll be picking a fight with the US, if we side with them we will be utterly craven. And I don't think we will be able to duck these sort of issues and pretend crazy shit isn't happening.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,353
    Omnium said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
    Can't make a decent Mars Bar without water.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,831
    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,401
    "shoudler"?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,353
    Fun fact: Van Buren was the only President whose first language wasn't English, it was Dutch.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    SHOULDER to SHOUDLER?

    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    There are no typos in the header.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    rottenborough said:

    Omnium said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
    Seems a long way to go for water.

    Indeed. So Musk will sow up the water. The Russians will try too (and fail), and the Chinese will do well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,859
    Omnium said:

    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?

    I'm fairly sure it will be the Mormon God, who will be particularly angry with "traditional" Christians for failing to recognize the new prophet he sent to earth via Joseph Smith.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,353
    edited January 20
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    SHOULDER to SHOUDLER?

    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    There are no typos in the header.
    :innocent:

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/01/20/standing-shoulder-to-shoudler-with-trump-might-not-be-very-popular/
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    glw said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I don't believe it will help Starmer either.

    Quite soon Starmer is going to get asked some mad questions like "do you support the US invasion of Panama?" No answer will do him any favours. If we stick to our principles we'll be picking a fight with the US, if we side with them we will be utterly craven. And I don't think we will be able to duck these sort of issues and pretend crazy shit isn't happening.
    The right answer to that question is pretty obvious. As is the answer to a question on the merits of tariffs.

    France showed in 2003 that it’s perfectly possible to be outspoken in criticism and condemnation of US policy, and not damage the long term relationship. Besides, Trump gives it so he needs to be able to take it. We don’t always have to be supine.

    I think harder ones will be about US domestic policies like mass deportation or shelving net zero.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited January 20
    Interesting Trump has his highest unfavourables with pensioners in the UK, which ties in with the US results where Trump won the popular vote nationally but only tied Harris with American Seniors. In France too Le Pen and her party did worst against Macron and his party with French pensioners. Which confirms that while pensioners are more conservative than the average voter they are also less likely to vote for the nationalist far right than the average voter.

    Only Reform voters give Trump a net favourable rating so while Farage can stay close to him other party leaders can't
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,757
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    Can we have HS2, A1 duelled north of Morpeth, and a repaired/replaced Gateshead flyover pls
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    Interesting. The young, and this is understandable, are much more inclined to go for Hobbesian style leadership than older people (like me) brought up in a climate in which old fashioned democracy seemed to work rather well and horrendous 'strong man' alternatives (Hitler, Stalin etc) were very obviouly not to be preferred.

    IMHO, short term, from a western perspective Trump is going to surprise on the upside, and Reform are likely to be the UK gainers. Establishment parties are going to have to be very nimble to keep up.

    Long term? No idea.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    Sunil_Prasannan said:



    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    SHOULDER to SHOUDLER?

    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    There are no typos in the header.
    :innocent:

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/01/20/standing-shoulder-to-shoudler-with-trump-might-not-be-very-popular/
    Clearly a Wordpress issue and nothing to do with me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    Omnium said:

    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?

    Next Archbishop market is now open

    https://www.olbg.com/news/next-archbishop-canterbury-betting-odds-dr-guli-francis-dehqani-leads-betting-odds-be-first-female-archbishop-canterbury-after-1400-years
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,116
    Gallowgate said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    Can we have HS2, A1 duelled north of Morpeth, and a repaired/replaced Gateshead flyover pls
    No. You are not from London. :smile:
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,501
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    Alternatively

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,568
    edited January 20
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    TBF; I believe that someone else is paying for all of those (excepting the Thames Crossing).
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Fun fact: Van Buren was the only President whose first language wasn't English, it was Dutch.

    Not so much fun if you're Dutch. World domination buggered up in a Hhh' E 'Moment YY De brickfuckup!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    Hurrah.

    The Government has offered to align with EU laws on chemicals in the latest sign of Labour’s willingness to roll back Brexit.

    If new packaging rules from Brussels force UK companies to stop supplying Northern Ireland, then Westminster will rewrite British laws to come in line with the EU’s.

    Hilary Benn, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, made the promise after refusing a demand from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) through the “Stormont brake” mechanism to stop the regulation from taking effect.

    Northern Ireland continues to follow hundreds of EU laws which the rest of the UK does not because of the Brexit deal to prevent a hard border with Ireland.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/labour-offers-align-with-eu-rules-in-latest-brexit-rollback/
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    Treasury accounting doubtless doing its thing.
    They need to get on and do HS2 to Manc and Leeds, NPR, build a new city in the fens, a bridge across the Irish Sea, and do a deal with Spain to lease them the Isle of Portland.

    Thing is these sorts of projects would actually excite people. When Boris promised them everyone thought “yeah right”, but with this Labour leadership, they’re not exactly known for over-promising exciting things.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,757
    Talking of packaging, has the requirement to the state origin of food gone? Or maybe it never existed? Tons of food in the supermarket now say things like “mix of EU and non-EU [ingredients]”. I would like to know where there stuff came from…
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,710
    Omnium said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
    Mars will be how it’s all going to fall apart because Musk and Trump need to rename things. Musk will want to call Mars “Z” and Trump will want to call it “America World”.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,350
    Omnium said:

    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?

    My money's on the Buddhists. None will turn up as they don't exist.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Are we expecting Starmer to impose tariffs?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,244
    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    algarkirk said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Fishing said:

    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
    Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
    So liberal that they refuse to hold same sex weddings in their churches.

    Though same sex couples can now get prayers for them in services and conservative evangelicals opposed even that
    No wonder churches are declining with such a patronising attitude

    Who needs the church anyway
    That's a very interesting question to ask about the (almost) only institution that has survived intact from the earliest days of the Roman empire, continues to engage some of the brightest brains on the planet and is the world's largest identifiable organisation in respect of personal adherence, and is currently larger than any time in history and which, in our day, is nowhere compulsory.

    And also as to your question, I need it, along with a couple of billion others.
    Why do you need it? I'm genuinely curious.
    All the answers are too long, but in short I think it really reflects truths as well as we know how; it's a fabulous overarching metanarrative with huge explanatory power, it operates at every level from illiterate peasant to St Thomas Aquinas, it grounds the idea of morality being not just made up, it has capacity to develop, it is realistic about the human condition, it is, in its modern forms, immensely tolerant, and it is profoundly humanist.

    Try a book. The astonishing and eye opening Unapologetic by Francis Spufford.
    But the Christian story has some weird things in it. The immaculate conception by an angel. The Trinity. Transubstantiation. Not to mention the problem of evil.

    Try "The non-existence of God" by Nicholas Everitt.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Non-existence-God-Nicholas-Everitt/dp/0415301076



  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,398
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The Government has offered to align with EU laws on chemicals in the latest sign of Labour’s willingness to roll back Brexit.

    If new packaging rules from Brussels force UK companies to stop supplying Northern Ireland, then Westminster will rewrite British laws to come in line with the EU’s.

    Hilary Benn, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, made the promise after refusing a demand from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) through the “Stormont brake” mechanism to stop the regulation from taking effect.

    Northern Ireland continues to follow hundreds of EU laws which the rest of the UK does not because of the Brexit deal to prevent a hard border with Ireland.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/labour-offers-align-with-eu-rules-in-latest-brexit-rollback/

    Have the Telegraph called out this treason yet?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,748
    Gallowgate said:

    Talking of packaging, has the requirement to the state origin of food gone? Or maybe it never existed? Tons of food in the supermarket now say things like “mix of EU and non-EU [ingredients]”. I would like to know where there stuff came from…

    Most of the fresh fruit and veg I've seen in Tesco does have the country on it.
    Grapes from Spain, asparagus from Peru etc.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,831
    Foss said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    TBF; I believe that someone else is paying for all of those (excepting the Thames Crossing).
    Problem is the Thames Crossing is needed but it won't help anyone north of Romford / Watford.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,244
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    How about Hammersmith Bridge?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    edited January 20
    Mexicanpete said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The Government has offered to align with EU laws on chemicals in the latest sign of Labour’s willingness to roll back Brexit.

    If new packaging rules from Brussels force UK companies to stop supplying Northern Ireland, then Westminster will rewrite British laws to come in line with the EU’s.

    Hilary Benn, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, made the promise after refusing a demand from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) through the “Stormont brake” mechanism to stop the regulation from taking effect.

    Northern Ireland continues to follow hundreds of EU laws which the rest of the UK does not because of the Brexit deal to prevent a hard border with Ireland.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/labour-offers-align-with-eu-rules-in-latest-brexit-rollback/

    Have the Telegraph called out this treason yet?
    The real treason was by Boris Johnson and the Tories leaving Northern Ireland under EU rule.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,381
    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.

    The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,568
    dixiedean said:

    Omnium said:

    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?

    My money's on the Buddhists. None will turn up as they don't exist.
    It's a shame Phil the Greek is dead - he could have opened a fete on the way to smiting the unbeliever.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    dixiedean said:

    Omnium said:

    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?

    My money's on the Buddhists. None will turn up as they don't exist.
    Top blokes Buddhists. (Just to be clear non-blokes are blokes too)

    What Ho, anyway - hard to fault the world. It's been going quite well in the last few thousand years. Rum thing though that there's no betting on the main Archbish and Mullahs main event.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,036
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    So if you are not in London (or Luton) you won't have the JSO/XR mob blocking roads to stop airport expansion.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,665
    Trump has listened to my suggestion and has created an External Revenue Service to place a tax on All Foreigners Living Abroad.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,400
    @atrupar

    um

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1881431018017554762

    He hit it again facing away, in case anyone thinks its a fluke.

    https://x.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1881436301221896306
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,665
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    WRONG. With 3 new runways at London airports it will be much easier to fly to London from the provinces.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,400
    JosiasJessop said:

    Or should that be shitocrazy?

    See above...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,859
    edited January 20
    Barnesian said:

    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    algarkirk said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Fishing said:

    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
    Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
    So liberal that they refuse to hold same sex weddings in their churches.

    Though same sex couples can now get prayers for them in services and conservative evangelicals opposed even that
    No wonder churches are declining with such a patronising attitude

    Who needs the church anyway
    That's a very interesting question to ask about the (almost) only institution that has survived intact from the earliest days of the Roman empire, continues to engage some of the brightest brains on the planet and is the world's largest identifiable organisation in respect of personal adherence, and is currently larger than any time in history and which, in our day, is nowhere compulsory.

    And also as to your question, I need it, along with a couple of billion others.
    Why do you need it? I'm genuinely curious.
    All the answers are too long, but in short I think it really reflects truths as well as we know how; it's a fabulous overarching metanarrative with huge explanatory power, it operates at every level from illiterate peasant to St Thomas Aquinas, it grounds the idea of morality being not just made up, it has capacity to develop, it is realistic about the human condition, it is, in its modern forms, immensely tolerant, and it is profoundly humanist.

    Try a book. The astonishing and eye opening Unapologetic by Francis Spufford.
    But the Christian story has some weird things in it. The immaculate conception by an angel. The Trinity. Transubstantiation. Not to mention the problem of evil.

    Try "The non-existence of God" by Nicholas Everitt.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Non-existence-God-Nicholas-Everitt/dp/0415301076



    Ummmm...

    It wasn't Jesus's conception that was immaculate.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,381
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    Isn't Universal Studios theme park in Bedford, not London? That was the old site.

    Though still quite south, though. They're talking about altering the East-West Rail plans to cope with it, but resiting a station right by the park's boundary.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,348
    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,171
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    First - and I quite like the idea of Religious betting - which god turns up first?

    I'm fairly sure it will be the Mormon God, who will be particularly angry with "traditional" Christians for failing to recognize the new prophet he sent to earth via Joseph Smith.
    I seem to remember an old Mitchel & Webb radio sketch where you only got into heaven if you followed God's latest fad. At the time being 'voting LibDem'.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,400
    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    twice
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    edited January 20
    Giorgia Meloni says that Rome should be the capital of the EU. (Video apparently from 2019.)

    https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1880708265975431194
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,036
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Talking of packaging, has the requirement to the state origin of food gone? Or maybe it never existed? Tons of food in the supermarket now say things like “mix of EU and non-EU [ingredients]”. I would like to know where there stuff came from…

    Most of the fresh fruit and veg I've seen in Tesco does have the country on it.
    Grapes from Spain, asparagus from Peru etc.
    Sainsbury's too.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,757
    williamglenn said:

    Giorgia Meloni says that Rome should be the capital of the EU.

    https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1880708265975431194

    Well it is the Treaty of Rome
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    SHOULDER to SHOUDLER?

    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    There are no typos in the header.
    And there never was, I believe you, boss.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    williamglenn said:

    Giorgia Meloni says that Rome should be the capital of the EU. (Video apparently from 2019.)

    https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1880708265975431194

    I wonder how she came up with that idea.

    Italian is a good language to give an empassioned speech though.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,665
    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,036
    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
    Mars will be how it’s all going to fall apart because Musk and Trump need to rename things. Musk will want to call Mars “Z” and Trump will want to call it “America World”.
    Nah -Trumptopia
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,630
    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Giorgia Meloni says that Rome should be the capital of the EU. (Video apparently from 2019.)

    https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1880708265975431194

    I wonder how she came up with that idea.

    Italian is a good language to give an empassioned speech though.
    The capital of the EU should be on neutral ground. London.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.

    Not until they set up an Efficiency Task Force to question if questioning if the new office for value for money is value for money.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,400
    ohnotnow said:

    Liverpool is getting some data-centres. For a couple of years. Until they're sold off at a loss.

    Fujitsu has a really nice data centre just outside London

    Built by a dotcom during the boom, bought for sweeties in the crash...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,757
    williamglenn said:

    Giorgia Meloni says that Rome should be the capital of the EU. (Video apparently from 2019.)

    https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1880708265975431194

    The European nouveau right is at least youthful - unlike the dross the anglosphere has with Trump and Farage.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    edited January 20
    Barnesian said:

    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    algarkirk said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Fishing said:

    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
    Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
    So liberal that they refuse to hold same sex weddings in their churches.

    Though same sex couples can now get prayers for them in services and conservative evangelicals opposed even that
    No wonder churches are declining with such a patronising attitude

    Who needs the church anyway
    That's a very interesting question to ask about the (almost) only institution that has survived intact from the earliest days of the Roman empire, continues to engage some of the brightest brains on the planet and is the world's largest identifiable organisation in respect of personal adherence, and is currently larger than any time in history and which, in our day, is nowhere compulsory.

    And also as to your question, I need it, along with a couple of billion others.
    Why do you need it? I'm genuinely curious.
    All the answers are too long, but in short I think it really reflects truths as well as we know how; it's a fabulous overarching metanarrative with huge explanatory power, it operates at every level from illiterate peasant to St Thomas Aquinas, it grounds the idea of morality being not just made up, it has capacity to develop, it is realistic about the human condition, it is, in its modern forms, immensely tolerant, and it is profoundly humanist.

    Try a book. The astonishing and eye opening Unapologetic by Francis Spufford.
    But the Christian story has some weird things in it. The immaculate conception by an angel. The Trinity. Transubstantiation. Not to mention the problem of evil.

    Try "The non-existence of God" by Nicholas Everitt.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Non-existence-God-Nicholas-Everitt/dp/0415301076



    Thanks. Yes. All interpretative accounts of universes have weird things. The dominant empiricism of the west massively underestimates the difficulties of, and weirdness of, for example: a universe that makes itself from nothing; regularities of physical laws that have no origin; the self assembly of life; the mechanics of consciousness; the problem of good; the apparently objective nature of ethical values and so on.

    For an excellent book backing atheism, J.L Mackie The Miracle of Theism is first rate. (Dawkins is risible by the way). David Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion remain the best thing of all though for undermining faith. And sometimes very funny.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Musk was namedropped as a great man in that show IIRC.

    Must have been right before his reputation went from being just among nerdish fanboys to alt right trolls.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,381
    Just a reminder that the Apollo project was not a particularly popular project in 1960s America:

    "Consistently throughout the 1960s a majority of Americans did not believe Apollo was worth the cost, with the one exception to this a poll taken at the time of the Apollo 11 lunar landing in July 1969. And consistently throughout the decade 45–60 percent of Americans believed that the government was spending too much on space, indicative of a lack of commitment to the spaceflight agenda."

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0265964603000390
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    eek said:

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881415617426944446

    Govt is poised to:
    - give public support to third runway at Heathrow
    - sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
    - approve Lower Thames Crossing
    - approve a Universal Studios theme park

    So if you are not in London - you aren't seeing any investment.

    So in about 4 years time maybe additional legal challenges to Heathrow expansion will be exhausted and it can be stalled for an election?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Gallowgate said:

    williamglenn said:

    Giorgia Meloni says that Rome should be the capital of the EU.

    https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1880708265975431194

    Well it is the Treaty of Rome
    Let's just rebrand it as the new Roman Empire, according to some meme I didn't catch the point of apparently people spend a lot of time thinking about it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,141
    JosiasJessop said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.

    The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
    I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,171
    kle4 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.

    Not until they set up an Efficiency Task Force to question if questioning if the new office for value for money is value for money.
    The Office for Monitoring the Efficiency Task Force will take some setting up, however.

    And then the official quango to oversee and report on it. Plus all the spin-off think-tanks to write reports, spawn headlines, podcasts, inquiries into where it all went wrong.

    GDP up!
  • glwglw Posts: 10,471
    "Prime Minister will you be meeting with the Nazi Elon Musk when he travels to the UK?"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    edited January 20
    Fairliered said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.

    The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
    I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
    Nah, I nominate Musk to be the first man to walk on The Sun, the Neil Armstrong of our generation.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,171
    Fairliered said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    The US are having enough trouble getting people back to the Moon. Going to Mars is going to be *very* complex and *very* costly. Basically it will take a decade or more, and will involve chucking Musk more money and power.

    The USA is in the hands of the shitocracy. Or should that be shitocrazy?
    I nominate Musk for Captain of the first manned flight to Mars.
    I would like to nominate him for the first manned flight to somewhere without an internet connection. Maybe the Cornwall or Northumbria.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,141
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.

    The Office for Value for Money’s first report will be to show that the Treasury is not value for money.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,350
    edited January 20
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.

    Edit. Beaten.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,141
    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.

    Not until they set up an Efficiency Task Force to question if questioning if the new office for value for money is value for money.
    The Office for Monitoring the Efficiency Task Force will take some setting up, however.

    And then the official quango to oversee and report on it. Plus all the spin-off think-tanks to write reports, spawn headlines, podcasts, inquiries into where it all went wrong.

    GDP up!
    At this rate we will need a NU15K!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.

    The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.

    Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.

    The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,171
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Daveyboy1961 said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Talking of packaging, has the requirement to the state origin of food gone? Or maybe it never existed? Tons of food in the supermarket now say things like “mix of EU and non-EU [ingredients]”. I would like to know where there stuff came from…

    Most of the fresh fruit and veg I've seen in Tesco does have the country on it.
    Grapes from Spain, asparagus from Peru etc.
    Sainsbury's too.
    My local hippy-dippy veg shop has the distance the produce has travelled on the labels. Tatties from Ayrshire? 20miles. Red peppers from Spain? "Hunners and hunners".
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,990
    So it seems that the 'Biden crime family' claims have been confirmed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,401
    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,403
    another_richard said:

    So it seems that the 'Biden crime family' claims have been confirmed.

    More MAGA nonsense.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    MikeL said:

    I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.

    The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.

    Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.

    The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.

    And even then it'd presumably need to be very carefully drafted. Miss one crucial reference to some other legislation and the professional JR objectors will get in.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,400
    viewcode said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute
    ...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,401
    kle4 said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Musk was namedropped as a great man in that show IIRC.

    Must have been right before his reputation went from being just among nerdish fanboys to alt right trolls.
    Yup. Series 1 of Star Trek: Discovery (2017). Lorca said it. It did stand out a bit because Star Trek canon regarding the late 20th/early 21st century is totally f****d at this point.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,990
    The UK is the second most attractive country for investment behind the US, signalling a climb up the rankings, according to an annual survey of global business leaders by the consultancy PwC.

    Published at the start of the World Economic Forum (WEF) in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, the survey of almost 5,000 chief executives from 109 countries puts the UK in second place, ahead of China, Germany and India.

    That marks the highest ranking for the UK in the survey’s 28-year history – up from fourth in 2024 - and appears to belie some of the gloom that has hovered over the economy in recent months.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/uk-second-most-attractive-country-for-investment-survey-finds

    Because/despite Brexit, because/despite Starmer and Reeves.

    Delete as you see fit.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    Omnium said:

    rottenborough said:

    FPT:

    Musk went a bit mental when Trump told him that America would plant a flag on Mars.

    It has cost Elon several dozen million and counting but he got what he paid for.

    Maybe Microsoft are too cool for all this shit? Or maybe they are not really The Valley but Washington State which is a bit removed from all this bollocks???

    Mars is Musk's. He's made that very clear. The Chinese will grab a decent chunk. The key is water.
    The chief interest, at the moment, of the Chinese, in the North Polar region of the moon. Where there is quite a bit of water, as it happens.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Musk was namedropped as a great man in that show IIRC.

    Must have been right before his reputation went from being just among nerdish fanboys to alt right trolls.
    Yup. Series 1 of Star Trek: Discovery (2017). Lorca said it. It did stand out a bit because Star Trek canon regarding the late 20th/early 21st century is totally f****d at this point.
    We were supposed to have the Eugenics Wars in the 1990s. Just been pushed back a bit I guess.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute
    ...
    Is having someone part time 'work' in the Department of Government Efficiency on brand or not?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,831
    MikeL said:

    I wonder whether construction will actually start on the Lower Thames Crossing before the next GE.

    The Stonehenge tunnel cleared all legal appeals including the Supreme Court in the last few months and construction could have been underway literally right now.

    Instead even if they do approve the Lower Thames Crossing we will then be into the endless legal charade which will take 2 to 3 years even if a Court doesn't block it or ask for some part of the process to be redone etc.

    The only solution would be to put the whole thing into primary legislation to prevent the endless legal wrangling.

    We need to fix things so projects deemed essential by the Government don't spend years in court...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,400
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    CatMan said:

    Errrr...

    "Wait, did Musk just do a Nazi salute?"

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1881433923433169381

    Definitely not a Nazi salute. Looked closer to the salute used by the Terran empire in the Star Trek mirror universe. That Empire's flag was the Earth with a reet big dagger through it, so its perfectly acceptable obviously.
    Erm, the Terran Empire's salute is a clenched fist to the chest, followed by an extension of the arm *horizontally* with the fingers extended and the palm down. The Nazi salute, a variation of the Roman salute, has the arm extended *upwards*. They are different.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute
    ...
    Is having someone part time 'work' in the Department of Government Efficiency on brand or not?
    He is about to make the trains run on time...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,350
    another_richard said:

    The UK is the second most attractive country for investment behind the US, signalling a climb up the rankings, according to an annual survey of global business leaders by the consultancy PwC.

    Published at the start of the World Economic Forum (WEF) in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, the survey of almost 5,000 chief executives from 109 countries puts the UK in second place, ahead of China, Germany and India.

    That marks the highest ranking for the UK in the survey’s 28-year history – up from fourth in 2024 - and appears to belie some of the gloom that has hovered over the economy in recent months.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/uk-second-most-attractive-country-for-investment-survey-finds

    Because/despite Brexit, because/despite Starmer and Reeves.

    Delete as you see fit.

    It's relative too. If the rest of the world is on fire, the UK looks quite nice.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,398
    another_richard said:

    So it seems that the 'Biden crime family' claims have been confirmed.

    Very silly. Did you right wingers miss Trump's pre-Presidential life, his Presidency, his sedition, his trials including the adjudicated rape trial and his currency scam.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    Fairliered said:

    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Treasury Committee question if new Office for Value for Money is value for money
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-committee-question-if-new-office-for-value-for-money-is-value-for-money-13292921

    Probably not but it has all gone a bit meta.

    Not until they set up an Efficiency Task Force to question if questioning if the new office for value for money is value for money.
    The Office for Monitoring the Efficiency Task Force will take some setting up, however.

    And then the official quango to oversee and report on it. Plus all the spin-off think-tanks to write reports, spawn headlines, podcasts, inquiries into where it all went wrong.

    GDP up!
    At this rate we will need a NU15K!
    I have already setup the Office of Recursive Organisational Efficiency. We just need a logo, a Richard Rodgers building and 25,000 staff.
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