Does this 1992 Scottish constituency result presage the next UK general election?
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It is quite remarkable that the most reprehensible products of Blighty are getting a hearing.Foxy said:
Is Tate anything to do with RefUK? I thought he was BRUV.kinabalu said:
Yes, plenty of grift in there. Eg the risible Tate.noneoftheabove said:
Are Refuk radical? Or deluded charlatans?rottenborough said:
I think radical right is a better term.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
I don't think they are far right but not radical either. Just populist grifters for hire to the elite.
RefUK are more incoherent than radical. It's the nature of Populism.0 -
A podcast that may interest some, ReBuild, by 4 Conservative Police and Crime Commissioners from the South East.
In this podcast they include:
- The best conversation around Elon Musk from the Conservative side of the aisle that I have heard; notably different from what I have heard coming out of the Parliamentary Party eg Chris Philp and Kemi and Bobby G. This mad eme recommend this edition.
- Also discussion of Mike Amesbury & the potential Runcorn byelection. They are obviously politics people, if not to PB levels of obsessive detail.
- Resignation of Labour Broxtowe Councillors.
- Local Government Reorganisation. Interesting stuff I have not heard elsewhere.
Personally I think it is malformed in that such a podcast should be either non-political or cross-party. And preferably PCCs should not be political at all..
To give them their due, back in December I fed back strongly that they should at least be introducing themselves as "Conservative PCCs" not "PCCs", given the amount of "political" rather than "policing" content - which they seem to now have done (on the evidence of this one episode).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXsc-j4Law01 -
Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.8 -
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)1 -
Yawn. Pretending to be obtuse, does not make you clever.bondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.0 -
Lettuce not go there!Foxy said:
Surely that should be very Cos?Nigelb said:
"I am instructing lawyers to write to you to say that I am very cross."bondegezou said:
It gets better.Carnyx said:
"This blogpost will not mention or refer to the law firm.bondegezou said:
This is because we simply do not know what Truss’s instructions were to the law firm nor what advice they gave her about sending this letter.
It may well be that that the letter was sent against legal advice.
It may even be that the letter was sent against emphatic legal advice.
We just do not know.
One should not visit the sins (or otherwise) of the client upon their lawyers."
"There seem many other problems with the letter (subject to the missing second page).
"It sets no deadline.
"It sets out no ultimatum.
"It asks for no undertakings.
"It does not set out what relief or remedies will be sought if Starmer does not comply."1 -
This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
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If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.0 -
"Reform is on the march across the UK, and Scotland is no exception. A new Deltapoll survey has found that Nigel Farage’s party now have the support of 17% of Scottish voters, level with the Labour Party and well ahead of the Conservative Party, which is left languishing on just 12%."
https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-is-reforms-support-growing-in-scotland/
TSE Writes - THIS A SUBSAMPLE.1 -
Telegraph readers wanting fewer care workers. What is the average age of a Telegraph reader.....DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)1 -
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.2 -
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.1 -
He knows. He thinks he's really clever. He's just overly smug.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.0 -
They are going for the poacher turned gamekeeper approach by getting violent criminals to save us from violent crime.Mexicanpete said:
It is quite remarkable that the most reprehensible products of Blighty are getting a hearing.Foxy said:
Is Tate anything to do with RefUK? I thought he was BRUV.kinabalu said:
Yes, plenty of grift in there. Eg the risible Tate.noneoftheabove said:
Are Refuk radical? Or deluded charlatans?rottenborough said:
I think radical right is a better term.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
I don't think they are far right but not radical either. Just populist grifters for hire to the elite.
RefUK are more incoherent than radical. It's the nature of Populism.1 -
Boris was lucky. When he was PM the British Right's big thing was Brexit, of which he was regarded the godfather and saviour. I wonder how he would have fared if it had been immigration (as it is now)? He would probably have been more reviled than Dave.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)2 -
It's shaping up to be Jose Mourinho.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.0 -
It's a simple question. You made the claim. Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Yawn. Pretending to be obtuse, does not make you clever.bondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
You've claimed he does it to "everyone who disagrees with him" and a lot of people disagree with Starmer, so it should be trivially easy for you to name five examples.0 -
We all know they will do nothing about it and we will end up with a further burden on our already stretched finances.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Not all of those migrants will stay and plenty will be students who will return but all the same plenty will. Those who are not a net burden should be encouraged to stay and those who aren’t, especially those with their economically inactive dependents, should get the carriage clock, picture of the spitfire and BFH.1 -
David Moyes has been mentionedTheScreamingEagles said:
It's shaping up to be Jose Mourinho.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.0 -
US mortgage rates nearly at 7%... seems like a bad sign?0
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Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.0 -
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.1 -
I presume Liz Truss' lawyers are happy. Send out a few pointless letters and collect a substantial fee.Malmesbury said:
No, that was not the conclusion. Clowns make people happy. Mostly.Mexicanpete said:
Haven't we done this already? And the analysis concluded that she is a clown.Andy_JS said:"Truss legal threat to PM over claim she crashed economy"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7r7pjy8j1o0 -
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.williamglenn said:
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.0 -
Yes.Casino_Royale said:
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.1 -
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.0 -
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE1 -
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.1 -
That crash could be quickly upon us. The markets are going to get in ahead of the curve.Mexicanpete said:
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.williamglenn said:
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.1 -
Welcome to the moderation team.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE1 -
I suspect his wife would make a better fist of football management. She is gutsy, determinedTaz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.
and smart, as demonstrated when she well and truly rinsed Rebekah.1 -
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.1 -
I'll let you use google if you are that ill informed. Nice try.bondegezou said:
It's a simple question. You made the claim. Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Yawn. Pretending to be obtuse, does not make you clever.bondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
You've claimed he does it to "everyone who disagrees with him" and a lot of people disagree with Starmer, so it should be trivially easy for you to name five examples.0 -
Johnson *and* Farage, that should obviously be.0
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I know. Desperate times and all that.Taz said:
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.0 -
I'd love it if it was Mourinho, but didn't the same owners sack him at Roma?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's shaping up to be Jose Mourinho.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.0 -
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.Casino_Royale said:
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.1 -
The world has changed. Thinking that people will react to Trump by wanting a return to left-liberalism is like someone in 1990s Russia hoping that people will come to their senses and vote the Communists back into power.Mexicanpete said:
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.williamglenn said:
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.
You're right that the Tories have an image problem, but in the scenario I outlined, it wouldn't matter, because the people who hate them would be voting Reform.0 -
Nice of her to offer you a crumb of comfort as the starmerpocalypse engulfs Labour.Mexicanpete said:
I don't think she is annoying anyone anymore. She is just being laughed at.Luckyguy1983 said:
Most PB shrewdies concluded long ago that Truss had 'crashed the economy', and don't take kindly to facts getting in the way, even though Rachel Reeves has come in and helpfully given them a live demonstration on how to *actually* crash an economy.Mexicanpete said:
Haven't we done this already? And the analysis concluded that she is a clown.Andy_JS said:"Truss legal threat to PM over claim she crashed economy"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7r7pjy8j1o
Long may Truss keep annoying them.0 -
Not good for incumbency around the world.MarqueeMark said:
That crash could be quickly upon us. The markets are going to get in ahead of the curve.Mexicanpete said:
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.williamglenn said:
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.0 -
Strong dollarviewcode said:I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger2 -
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.1 -
If anyone feels daunted by giving a eulogy at a funeral, they should watch and copy Jason Carter here at his grandfather's funeral. It's a masterclass in tying together humour, the personal and the public life into an overall picture. I highly recommend the watch:
https://youtu.be/N2UZVanHTF4?feature=shared4 -
Depends how one interpreted his piffle.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.2 -
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don't try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE0 -
Surely if the shit is hitting the fan te last thing you want is more power.TheScreamingEagles said:
She spooked the markets.Luckyguy1983 said:
Most PB shrewdies concluded long ago that Truss had 'crashed the economy', and don't take kindly to facts getting in the way, even though Rachel Reeves has come in and helpfully given them a live demonstration on how to *actually* crash an economy.Mexicanpete said:
Haven't we done this already? And the analysis concluded that she is a clown.Andy_JS said:"Truss legal threat to PM over claim she crashed economy"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7r7pjy8j1o
Long may Truss keep annoying them.
At work we were about to deploy Project Dynamo which is only to be used when the shit hits the fan.
You should never use a dynamo in those situations…
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Wayne Rooney please! 🙏Taz said:
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
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He was cagey about it. It's largely forgotten now but in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, one of the things that torpedoed his chances was Theresa May attacking his position that free movement could continue after Brexit.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.2 -
Liz Truss: The Deep State, Something else, Economic Reform & Free Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELRVlOGrT4
Ninety minutes of everyone's favourite former Prime Minister being interviewed on a podcast (not that I've watched it yet). Published two hours ago.1 -
It won't, it would be purple and red mainly in most of the UK with a few Tory v LD battles still in the poshest seats (and Tory v Labour battles still in London) and Labour v SNP battles in Scotlandwilliamglenn said:
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.0 -
A forum that can't discuss issues seems to be pretty pointless..🥴 Truly Alice through the looking glass territory now..🤔🥴noneoftheabove said:
Welcome to the moderation team.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE3 -
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.3 -
To put it in concrete terms, I think an election where the national share for Reform is ~30% is an election where a seat like Earley and Woodley swings back from Labour to the Tories.HYUFD said:
It won't, it would be purple and red mainly in most of the UK with a few Tory v LD battles still in the poshest seats (and Tory v Labour battles still in London) and Labour v SNP battles in Scotlandwilliamglenn said:
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.williamglenn said:
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.MarqueeMark said:
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.numbertwelve said:One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.1 -
Burnham is the only UK Labour politician with a higher popularity rating than Farage though, 39% to 34% for Farage. 2 Tories also match Burnham, Boris and surprisingly Lord Frost, each also on 39%.Mexicanpete said:
If that isn't rolling the pitch I don't know what is. I think Burnham is more impressive in his own mind than everyone else's, except perhaps BJO.HYUFD said:
His 'manoeuver' is actually only to call for an inquiry into the grooming gangs unlike StarmerCasino_Royale said:If Andy Burnham were on political manoeuvers, then how would he complete them?
I wouldn't want to try to enter the HoC through a by-election atm, as a Labour MP.
https://x.com/Inevitablewest/status/1877377006611939723
On a net basis though Burnham is even higher +28% to -13% for Farage and -25% for Starmer and -12% for Boris
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all1 -
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.Foxy said:
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏Taz said:
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.0 -
MSM finally waking up to the bird flu crisis in America.
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html1 -
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-504127721 -
Or we could put in place 10's of GW of tidal power, by 2040.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.2 -
Could it be prevented by a tremendous ultra violet light or injecting bleach perchance? If so, I know just the man.rottenborough said:MSM finally waking up to the bird flu crisis in America.
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html1 -
His words in that article can be read either way, that was his short term talent.WhisperingOracle said:
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-504127720 -
There is, and has for many years, been a very real risk of a new flu pandemic related to avian flu. What that would be like, it's hard to predict. It probably wouldn't be as bad as COVID-19. We'd probably be able to roll out a vaccine much quicker. People would probably adopt behaviours reducing transmission, like wearing masks, more quickly and on a larger scale than during the last bad flu pandemic (1968-9). Of course, it can be not as bad as COVID-19, but still very bad! Moreover, the impact of anti-vaxx and associated pandemic scepticism in some quarters -- notably red states in the US -- could have fatal implications.rottenborough said:MSM finally waking up to the bird flu crisis in America.
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html0 -
Everton had three very good draws against top-drow opponents. (Then Forest pissed on their chips.) Their goal difference is 5 better than Ipswich. I still think they will stay up.pigeon said:
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.Foxy said:
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏Taz said:
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.0 -
I could link to many examples but in all cases they include 2 banned subject'sbondegezou said:
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don'at try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial1 -
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.1 -
Ipswich have the better squad. As I posted earlier Everton need to spend around £250m to get a squad that will be comfortably mid table without a Dyche type manager.MarqueeMark said:
Everton had three very good draws against top-drow opponents. (Then Forest pissed on their chips.) Their goal difference is 5 better than Ipswich. I still think they will stay up.pigeon said:
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.Foxy said:
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏Taz said:
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.0 -
And ofcourse the vast majority of people will have heard the news snippet as immigration going down, as that's what they voted Brexit for.noneoftheabove said:
His words in that article can be read either way, that was his short term talent.WhisperingOracle said:
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-504127720 -
On the other hand ... vaccines already ordered, for some anyway.rottenborough said:MSM finally waking up to the bird flu crisis in America.
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2717.full
Edit: for that subtype of flu anyway if not specifically human ex-bird flu.0 -
If Starmer is consistent then he now thinks Andy Burnham is a far-right politicianBig_G_NorthWales said:
I could link to many examples but in all cases they include 2 banned subject'sbondegezou said:
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don'at try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial0 -
Stalin did all of that too.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries
because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
It’s not “far right” it’s authoritarian / populist
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If Man U don't improve soon, they may need a new manager such as former Man Utd hero, Wayne Rooney.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.2 -
Yeah but importantly electorally the few percent who voted Brexit to help relatives from the sub continent get easier access to the UK could interpret it very differently.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the vast majority of people will have heard the news snippet as immigration going down, as that's what they voted Brexit for.noneoftheabove said:
His words in that article can be read either way, that was his short term talent.WhisperingOracle said:
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.WhisperingOracle said:
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-504127721 -
It is hugely frustrating as the banned subject has dominated the broadcast media, the HOC, and the press and really has been the only story in town for daysSonofContrarian said:
A forum that can't discuss issues seems to be pretty pointless..🥴 Truly Alice through the looking glass territory now..🤔🥴noneoftheabove said:
Welcome to the moderation team.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
However @TSE E has banned any discussion on it for both legal reasons and the forthcoming OSA so we have to respect his decision
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Next thing TSE will be telling us that Liverpool shouldn't win the title even if they get the most points....0
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And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.1 -
and if Starmer gets toppled well that's just a happy outcome.Malmesbury said:
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.Casino_Royale said:
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !1 -
Which is true and yet we have exactly the same conundrum with higher inflation and interest rate expectations post budget and sterling is tanking.StillWaters said:
Strong dollarviewcode said:I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger0 -
Tidal and nuclear produce a steady base load, gas is the true complement to wind and solar as it's the one you can turn up and down quickly and easily. Batteries may gradually replace gas if their costs move south relative to natural gas.MarqueeMark said:
Or we could put in place 10's of GW of tidal power, by 2040.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.1 -
I like Andy Burnham and he has been fantastic for Greater ManchesterAlanbrooke said:
and if Starmer gets toppled well that's just a happy outcome.Malmesbury said:
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.Casino_Royale said:
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !
He would be a huge improvement on Starmer but I cannot see a pathway there anytime soon0 -
StillWaters said:
Stalin did all of that too.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries
because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
It’s not “far right” it’s authoritarian / populist
It seems the far right has become the scarlet pimpernel of right wing politics. Nowhere to be seen. No siree. That is not in fact a spade, it’s a giant trowel.
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Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.Eabhal said:
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.0 -
His main interest isn't debate isn't in taking out or discrediting those that he believes to be his political opponents.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I could link to many examples but in all cases they include 2 banned subject'sbondegezou said:
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don'at try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go therebondegezou said:
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We cannot answer that as the subject is bannedbondegezou said:
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?CharlieShark said:
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.bondegezou said:
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.CharlieShark said:
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.kinabalu said:
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.RochdalePioneers said:Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial
A sign of weakness.0 -
For the foreseeable future moving from localised combustion in cars and boilers to centralised combustion in gas power plants is going to significantly increase efficiency and reduce emissions anyway.Eabhal said:
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.2 -
I think he doesn’t want it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Andy Burnham and he has been fantastic for Greater ManchesterAlanbrooke said:
and if Starmer gets toppled well that's just a happy outcome.Malmesbury said:
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.Casino_Royale said:
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !
He would be a huge improvement on Starmer but I cannot see a pathway there anytime soon
He wasn’t a success at national level government. But has found his metier as Mayor. Seems to enjoy it, and has managed to actually get some stuff done.
He could easily stay in that post until retirement - it’s effectively a safe seat and he has built a personal vote as well.
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We pay Drax billions in subsidies for the biomass power plants.bondegezou said:
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.Eabhal said:
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.0 -
I agreeMalmesbury said:
I think he doesn’t want it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Andy Burnham and he has been fantastic for Greater ManchesterAlanbrooke said:
and if Starmer gets toppled well that's just a happy outcome.Malmesbury said:
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.Casino_Royale said:
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?TheScreamingEagles said:Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !
He would be a huge improvement on Starmer but I cannot see a pathway there anytime soon
He wasn’t a success at national level government. But has found his metier as Mayor. Seems to enjoy it, and has managed to actually get some stuff done.
He could easily stay in that post until retirement - it’s effectively a safe seat and he has built a personal vote as well.0 -
Because the wimps at the Bank of England aren't raising rates like they should.MaxPB said:
Which is true and yet we have exactly the same conundrum with higher inflation and interest rate expectations post budget and sterling is tanking.StillWaters said:
Strong dollarviewcode said:I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger0 -
It really isn't.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Natural gas stations have low capital and maintenance costs, and high fuel costs. That makes them perfect for filling in gaps.1 -
Let's hope it isn't needed.Carnyx said:
On the other hand ... vaccines already ordered, for some anyway.rottenborough said:MSM finally waking up to the bird flu crisis in America.
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2717.full
Edit: for that subtype of flu anyway if not specifically human ex-bird flu.0 -
We do. It's called Drax. OK, pellets rather than chips.bondegezou said:
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.Eabhal said:
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
But because it is "zero carbon"*, it runs baseload.
*Yes, all that CO2 coming out the stack is actually emitted in Canada when the trees get felled. And the fact that it will take 50 years for it to be sucked back out of the atmosphere by the replacement saplings that may or may not replace the felled trees is overlooked. So no impact on climate change. Really.4 -
Have we done the new More in Common poll? https://x.com/luketryl/status/1877416966601703906
🌳CON 26% (nc)
🌹LAB 26% (nc)
➡️ REF UK 22% (+3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 7% (-1)
🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
N = 2,011 6 - 8 Jan, Change w 10 Dec
Not as good for Reform UK, but they won't be unhappy with +3.0 -
One reason why gas fired generation with CCS is being progressed - low carbon and dispatchable.Pulpstar said:
Tidal and nuclear produce a steady base load, gas is the true complement to wind and solar as it's the one you can turn up and down quickly and easily. Batteries may gradually replace gas if their costs move south relative to natural gas.MarqueeMark said:
Or we could put in place 10's of GW of tidal power, by 2040.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Not everyone agrees that this is the right sector to prioritise for carbon capture.0 -
Coal and wood chips can't be turned on and off easily and quickly. And they are both maintenance heavy, as you need to move physical fuel around, and then deal with ash.bondegezou said:
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.Eabhal said:
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Gas really is the perfect fuel. It's quick to spin up. It is easy to store and move around. And it's highly efficient and relatively non-polluting.0 -
And besides, Ipswich seem to have more fight in them, and they're being active in the transfer market. Everton are presumably mortgaged up to the eyeballs with that new stadium: would they be able to spend even if they weren't distracted by this?noneoftheabove said:
Ipswich have the better squad. As I posted earlier Everton need to spend around £250m to get a squad that will be comfortably mid table without a Dyche type manager.MarqueeMark said:
Everton had three very good draws against top-drow opponents. (Then Forest pissed on their chips.) Their goal difference is 5 better than Ipswich. I still think they will stay up.pigeon said:
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.Foxy said:
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏Taz said:
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!MarqueeMark said:
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.Taz said:
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Sean Dyche sacked.
He’d be a great fit.
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.0 -
"One in ten MPs also sits on a local council, ITV News can reveal"
https://www.itv.com/news/2025-01-06/one-in-ten-mps-also-sits-on-a-local-council-itv-news-can-reveal2 -
What about the gas production/storage/imports? If we're not using it on a day-to-day basis (including in boilers), what will the market look like for it?rcs1000 said:
It really isn't.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Natural gas stations have low capital and maintenance costs, and high fuel costs. That makes them perfect for filling in gaps.0 -
As already discussed on here, that sale of the vaccine factory by the last administration ...rottenborough said:
Let's hope it isn't needed.Carnyx said:
On the other hand ... vaccines already ordered, for some anyway.rottenborough said:MSM finally waking up to the bird flu crisis in America.
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2717.full
Edit: for that subtype of flu anyway if not specifically human ex-bird flu.0 -
Whichever, the story about the rising borrowing rates has today largely ignored that UK rates have tracked US rates pretty closely for several decades, and US rates are also rising sharply. Last night’s Newsnight was a bit more on the money.viewcode said:I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
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But it is requiring the Government to put £26 billion into CCS to keep natural gas a viable Net Zero-compliant option. Add that into the equation and it isn't a cheap way forward at all.rcs1000 said:
Coal and wood chips can't be turned on and off easily and quickly. And they are both maintenance heavy, as you need to move physical fuel around, and then deal with ash.bondegezou said:
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.Eabhal said:
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...TimS said:
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.Eabhal said:
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.Nigelb said:This should probably be getting more attention.
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Gas really is the perfect fuel. It's quick to spin up. It is easy to store and move around. And it's highly efficient and relatively non-polluting.0 -
Johnson was lucky in being able to offer the false promises of both Brexit and levelling up. But everything fell apart after his third false promise of “we’re all in it together”.Stark_Dawning said:
Boris was lucky. When he was PM the British Right's big thing was Brexit, of which he was regarded the godfather and saviour. I wonder how he would have fared if it had been immigration (as it is now)? He would probably have been more reviled than Dave.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)1 -
It will surely depend on the second preferences of the teams being relegated?squareroot2 said:Next thing TSE will be telling us that Liverpool shouldn't win the title even if they get the most points....
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