Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
I think radical right is a better term.
Are Refuk radical? Or deluded charlatans?
I don't think they are far right but not radical either. Just populist grifters for hire to the elite.
Yes, plenty of grift in there. Eg the risible Tate.
Is Tate anything to do with RefUK? I thought he was BRUV.
RefUK are more incoherent than radical. It's the nature of Populism.
It is quite remarkable that the most reprehensible products of Blighty are getting a hearing.
A podcast that may interest some, ReBuild, by 4 Conservative Police and Crime Commissioners from the South East.
In this podcast they include:
- The best conversation around Elon Musk from the Conservative side of the aisle that I have heard; notably different from what I have heard coming out of the Parliamentary Party eg Chris Philp and Kemi and Bobby G. This mad eme recommend this edition. - Also discussion of Mike Amesbury & the potential Runcorn byelection. They are obviously politics people, if not to PB levels of obsessive detail. - Resignation of Labour Broxtowe Councillors. - Local Government Reorganisation. Interesting stuff I have not heard elsewhere.
Personally I think it is malformed in that such a podcast should be either non-political or cross-party. And preferably PCCs should not be political at all..
To give them their due, back in December I fed back strongly that they should at least be introducing themselves as "Conservative PCCs" not "PCCs", given the amount of "political" rather than "policing" content - which they seem to now have done (on the evidence of this one episode).
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
Yawn. Pretending to be obtuse, does not make you clever.
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
"Reform is on the march across the UK, and Scotland is no exception. A new Deltapoll survey has found that Nigel Farage’s party now have the support of 17% of Scottish voters, level with the Labour Party and well ahead of the Conservative Party, which is left languishing on just 12%."
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Telegraph readers wanting fewer care workers. What is the average age of a Telegraph reader.....
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
He knows. He thinks he's really clever. He's just overly smug.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
I think radical right is a better term.
Are Refuk radical? Or deluded charlatans?
I don't think they are far right but not radical either. Just populist grifters for hire to the elite.
Yes, plenty of grift in there. Eg the risible Tate.
Is Tate anything to do with RefUK? I thought he was BRUV.
RefUK are more incoherent than radical. It's the nature of Populism.
It is quite remarkable that the most reprehensible products of Blighty are getting a hearing.
They are going for the poacher turned gamekeeper approach by getting violent criminals to save us from violent crime.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Boris was lucky. When he was PM the British Right's big thing was Brexit, of which he was regarded the godfather and saviour. I wonder how he would have fared if it had been immigration (as it is now)? He would probably have been more reviled than Dave.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
We all know they will do nothing about it and we will end up with a further burden on our already stretched finances.
Not all of those migrants will stay and plenty will be students who will return but all the same plenty will. Those who are not a net burden should be encouraged to stay and those who aren’t, especially those with their economically inactive dependents, should get the carriage clock, picture of the spitfire and BFH.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
Yawn. Pretending to be obtuse, does not make you clever.
It's a simple question. You made the claim. Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
You've claimed he does it to "everyone who disagrees with him" and a lot of people disagree with Starmer, so it should be trivially easy for you to name five examples.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.
That crash could be quickly upon us. The markets are going to get in ahead of the curve.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
I suspect his wife would make a better fist of football management. She is gutsy, determined and smart, as demonstrated when she well and truly rinsed Rebekah.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
Yawn. Pretending to be obtuse, does not make you clever.
It's a simple question. You made the claim. Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
You've claimed he does it to "everyone who disagrees with him" and a lot of people disagree with Starmer, so it should be trivially easy for you to name five examples.
I'll let you use google if you are that ill informed. Nice try.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.
The world has changed. Thinking that people will react to Trump by wanting a return to left-liberalism is like someone in 1990s Russia hoping that people will come to their senses and vote the Communists back into power.
You're right that the Tories have an image problem, but in the scenario I outlined, it wouldn't matter, because the people who hate them would be voting Reform.
Haven't we done this already? And the analysis concluded that she is a clown.
Most PB shrewdies concluded long ago that Truss had 'crashed the economy', and don't take kindly to facts getting in the way, even though Rachel Reeves has come in and helpfully given them a live demonstration on how to *actually* crash an economy.
Long may Truss keep annoying them.
I don't think she is annoying anyone anymore. She is just being laughed at.
Nice of her to offer you a crumb of comfort as the starmerpocalypse engulfs Labour.
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
But the Tories remain universally hated. Their salvation is a long way off.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.
That crash could be quickly upon us. The markets are going to get in ahead of the curve.
I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Strong dollar
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
If anyone feels daunted by giving a eulogy at a funeral, they should watch and copy Jason Carter here at his grandfather's funeral. It's a masterclass in tying together humour, the personal and the public life into an overall picture. I highly recommend the watch:
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don't try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.
Haven't we done this already? And the analysis concluded that she is a clown.
Most PB shrewdies concluded long ago that Truss had 'crashed the economy', and don't take kindly to facts getting in the way, even though Rachel Reeves has come in and helpfully given them a live demonstration on how to *actually* crash an economy.
Long may Truss keep annoying them.
She spooked the markets.
At work we were about to deploy Project Dynamo which is only to be used when the shit hits the fan.
Surely if the shit is hitting the fan te last thing you want is more power.
You should never use a dynamo in those situations…
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
He was cagey about it. It's largely forgotten now but in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, one of the things that torpedoed his chances was Theresa May attacking his position that free movement could continue after Brexit.
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
It won't, it would be purple and red mainly in most of the UK with a few Tory v LD battles still in the poshest seats (and Tory v Labour battles still in London) and Labour v SNP battles in Scotland
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
Welcome to the moderation team.
A forum that can't discuss issues seems to be pretty pointless..🥴 Truly Alice through the looking glass territory now..🤔🥴
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
One poll, but I think what Labour and the Tories have to fear the most is a tipping point.
I mentioned this in the GE campaign . If there were to be a sustained period of Reform outpolling the Tories, such as the VI shown here, and particularly if say this is reinforced by Reform beating the Tories in Wales and Scotland in 2026, there could be a huge and significant shift in the Tory vote over to Reform, as the stop Labour, new party of the right.
I’m not saying it will definitely happen but it has to be plausible that we go into the next GE with a lot of voters who would have voted Tory reconciled to a Reform vote.
A hell of a lot of Tory voters, past and present, will still never vote for Reform.
At a certain point, negative polarisation will push up both the Tories and Reform.
I am not sure how you reach that answer. Please show your workings.
If Reform are around 30%, they will be ahead in swathes of 'Labour' seats so they will become the default anti-Tory vote. Meanwhile who do you vote for in non-Labour areas if you don't want Reform? Labour or the Lib Dems would be a wasted vote, so it's got to be the Tories. The future political map of Britain will be blue and purple.
It won't, it would be purple and red mainly in most of the UK with a few Tory v LD battles still in the poshest seats (and Tory v Labour battles still in London) and Labour v SNP battles in Scotland
To put it in concrete terms, I think an election where the national share for Reform is ~30% is an election where a seat like Earley and Woodley swings back from Labour to the Tories.
If that isn't rolling the pitch I don't know what is. I think Burnham is more impressive in his own mind than everyone else's, except perhaps BJO.
Burnham is the only UK Labour politician with a higher popularity rating than Farage though, 39% to 34% for Farage. 2 Tories also match Burnham, Boris and surprisingly Lord Frost, each also on 39%.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Or we could put in place 10's of GW of tidal power, by 2040.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.
There is, and has for many years, been a very real risk of a new flu pandemic related to avian flu. What that would be like, it's hard to predict. It probably wouldn't be as bad as COVID-19. We'd probably be able to roll out a vaccine much quicker. People would probably adopt behaviours reducing transmission, like wearing masks, more quickly and on a larger scale than during the last bad flu pandemic (1968-9). Of course, it can be not as bad as COVID-19, but still very bad! Moreover, the impact of anti-vaxx and associated pandemic scepticism in some quarters -- notably red states in the US -- could have fatal implications.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.
Everton had three very good draws against top-drow opponents. (Then Forest pissed on their chips.) Their goal difference is 5 better than Ipswich. I still think they will stay up.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don'at try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.
I could link to many examples but in all cases they include 2 banned subject's
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.
Everton had three very good draws against top-drow opponents. (Then Forest pissed on their chips.) Their goal difference is 5 better than Ipswich. I still think they will stay up.
Ipswich have the better squad. As I posted earlier Everton need to spend around £250m to get a squad that will be comfortably mid table without a Dyche type manager.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don'at try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.
I could link to many examples but in all cases they include 2 banned subject's
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial
If Starmer is consistent then he now thinks Andy Burnham is a far-right politician
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Stalin did all of that too.
It’s not “far right” it’s authoritarian / populist
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
And ofcourse the Telegraph will never tell the truth to its readers about why the Sainted Boris felt he had to do that, and then lie about it.
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
Did Boris lie about it? My recollection is Boris was openly pro-immigration but that no-one other than me noticed because every Brexiteer had their own unique position.
As mentioned in an early thread on PB this week, at the 2019 election he pledged the unskilled migration would go down, and also that overall immigration would go down. They knew this was total rubbish, and that Brexit was likely to make the opposite necessary.
His words in that article can be read either way, that was his short term talent.
And ofcourse the vast majority of people will have heard the news snippet as immigration going down, as that's what they voted Brexit for.
Yeah but importantly electorally the few percent who voted Brexit to help relatives from the sub continent get easier access to the UK could interpret it very differently.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
Welcome to the moderation team.
A forum that can't discuss issues seems to be pretty pointless..🥴 Truly Alice through the looking glass territory now..🤔🥴
It is hugely frustrating as the banned subject has dominated the broadcast media, the HOC, and the press and really has been the only story in town for days
However @TSE E has banned any discussion on it for both legal reasons and the forthcoming OSA so we have to respect his decision
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Strong dollar
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger
Which is true and yet we have exactly the same conundrum with higher inflation and interest rate expectations post budget and sterling is tanking.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Or we could put in place 10's of GW of tidal power, by 2040.
Tidal and nuclear produce a steady base load, gas is the true complement to wind and solar as it's the one you can turn up and down quickly and easily. Batteries may gradually replace gas if their costs move south relative to natural gas.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Stalin did all of that too.
It’s not “far right” it’s authoritarian / populist
It seems the far right has become the scarlet pimpernel of right wing politics. Nowhere to be seen. No siree. That is not in fact a spade, it’s a giant trowel.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.
Its one poll and its very amusing. The trend? Less amusing. Unless there is some kind of radical change in performance from Labour the conclusion that they have failed will be hard to avoid. The Tories? Failed hard, elected woke Queen, failing harder.
That leaves a vacuum and all kinds of things will get sucked in. Reform don't need to offer very much substantial to do very well - just show that they understand.
This is a poll in January 2025 showing mega-splittage and Reform doing very well. A map with an awful lot of purple on it. Now extend the trend forward and think what could be the same poll in 12 months time. Or 24 months...
The far right are on the march and are going to take some stopping, esp with Trump/Musk rolling the pitch. Can we avoid going that way here? Hope so, think so, but I am anxious about it. You think this sort of stuff can't gain critical mass in the UK until, oh, it has and it's here. Then what.
Probably the best way of stopping the far right is to stop calling everyone who disagrees with 'you' far right, then maybe some of that anxiety might dissipate.
He isn't calling everyone who disagree with him "far right". He's implying Musk and Trump are far right.
Musk has called for military force to overthrow the democratically-elected government and the immediate release of a violent repeat offender who led the English Defence League. There are also the tweets where Musk endorsed a Holocaust denier and where he said Jews were conspiring to flood the US with immigrants. If that's not far right, what is?
Trump has said he will deport US citizens, which would be in contravention of the US Constitution. He has spread conspiracy theories about immigrants. He is threatening to invade several countries because he wants their land. He encouraged a violent riot to try to overturn a democratic election 4 years ago. Again, seems pretty far right to me.
Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'. It will inevitably back-fire, as it is a lie. Like all of his other lies.
Who has Starmer called "far right" who isn't far right?
We cannot answer that as the subject is banned
Charlie claimed this had been happening for "the last six months", so there should be plenty of examples not relating to any banned topic.
The response would also involve the banned subject and as @TSE has just rightly reminded everyone not to go there
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
This has nothing to do with a banned subject. Don'at try hiding behind that. Charlie claimed, "Starmer has spent the last six months deliberately calling everyone who disagrees with him 'far right'." Vast numbers of people have disagreed with Starmer in this period, over numerous subjects (including but certainly not limited to dressgate, the Budget, Chagos, and winter fuel allowance). If there is any truth to this claim, surely you could find just one measly example.
I could link to many examples but in all cases they include 2 banned subject's
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial
His main interest isn't debate isn't in taking out or discrediting those that he believes to be his political opponents.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
For the foreseeable future moving from localised combustion in cars and boilers to centralised combustion in gas power plants is going to significantly increase efficiency and reduce emissions anyway.
Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?
Yes.
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
and if Starmer gets toppled well that's just a happy outcome.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !
I like Andy Burnham and he has been fantastic for Greater Manchester
He would be a huge improvement on Starmer but I cannot see a pathway there anytime soon
I think he doesn’t want it.
He wasn’t a success at national level government. But has found his metier as Mayor. Seems to enjoy it, and has managed to actually get some stuff done.
He could easily stay in that post until retirement - it’s effectively a safe seat and he has built a personal vote as well.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.
We pay Drax billions in subsidies for the biomass power plants.
Next time people discuss the grooming story I will have to issue bans, my requests asking you nicely to not discuss the story isn't working.
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
Can we discuss Andy Burnham's political aspirations in a neutral way, given that it might have betting implications?
Yes.
I don’t think Burnham is on manoeuvres.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
and if Starmer gets toppled well that's just a happy outcome.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !
I like Andy Burnham and he has been fantastic for Greater Manchester
He would be a huge improvement on Starmer but I cannot see a pathway there anytime soon
I think he doesn’t want it.
He wasn’t a success at national level government. But has found his metier as Mayor. Seems to enjoy it, and has managed to actually get some stuff done.
He could easily stay in that post until retirement - it’s effectively a safe seat and he has built a personal vote as well.
I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Strong dollar
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger
Which is true and yet we have exactly the same conundrum with higher inflation and interest rate expectations post budget and sterling is tanking.
Because the wimps at the Bank of England aren't raising rates like they should.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
It really isn't.
Natural gas stations have low capital and maintenance costs, and high fuel costs. That makes them perfect for filling in gaps.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.
We do. It's called Drax. OK, pellets rather than chips.
But because it is "zero carbon"*, it runs baseload.
*Yes, all that CO2 coming out the stack is actually emitted in Canada when the trees get felled. And the fact that it will take 50 years for it to be sucked back out of the atmosphere by the replacement saplings that may or may not replace the felled trees is overlooked. So no impact on climate change. Really.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
Or we could put in place 10's of GW of tidal power, by 2040.
Tidal and nuclear produce a steady base load, gas is the true complement to wind and solar as it's the one you can turn up and down quickly and easily. Batteries may gradually replace gas if their costs move south relative to natural gas.
One reason why gas fired generation with CCS is being progressed - low carbon and dispatchable.
Not everyone agrees that this is the right sector to prioritise for carbon capture.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.
Coal and wood chips can't be turned on and off easily and quickly. And they are both maintenance heavy, as you need to move physical fuel around, and then deal with ash.
Gas really is the perfect fuel. It's quick to spin up. It is easy to store and move around. And it's highly efficient and relatively non-polluting.
Former Everton hero, Wayne Rooney, is out of management at the moment.
He’d be a great fit.
Everton-fan of my acquaintence (my hairdresser) thought the other day that Dyche was a goner. Suggested Rooney as a stop gap to the end of the season. Then assess who is available.
Christ, I was kidding given how shit he was at Plymouth, Birmingham and Derby !!
Wayne Rooney please! 🙏
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Everton are going down. Being both a very illustrious old name and long standing fixture in the league is no defence against being awful, as Villa found out not so long ago. But I don't think Leicester will profit from it. Sorry.
Everton had three very good draws against top-drow opponents. (Then Forest pissed on their chips.) Their goal difference is 5 better than Ipswich. I still think they will stay up.
Ipswich have the better squad. As I posted earlier Everton need to spend around £250m to get a squad that will be comfortably mid table without a Dyche type manager.
And besides, Ipswich seem to have more fight in them, and they're being active in the transfer market. Everton are presumably mortgaged up to the eyeballs with that new stadium: would they be able to spend even if they weren't distracted by this?
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
It really isn't.
Natural gas stations have low capital and maintenance costs, and high fuel costs. That makes them perfect for filling in gaps.
What about the gas production/storage/imports? If we're not using it on a day-to-day basis (including in boilers), what will the market look like for it?
I've had a look at my savings spreadsheet and although the pound hasn't been this low against USD since November 2023, it is the highest it's been against the Euro since Feb 2022. Is the current kerfuffle cause by a strong dollar or a weak pound?
Whichever, the story about the rising borrowing rates has today largely ignored that UK rates have tracked US rates pretty closely for several decades, and US rates are also rising sharply. Last night’s Newsnight was a bit more on the money.
It's pretty tight at the moment, nearly 50GW of demand and wind was down at only 4GW yesterday evening.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
We’re possibly in that future now. It’s pretty rare that most gas capacity is being used. As more wind comes on stream that will become even rarer, but the amount of reserve capacity needed will also drop.
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
And widespread use of variable tariffs. Would be great if everyone with an EV could unplug until 1am...
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
Could you have a bunch of power stations that burn woodchips instead? Presumably they can be turned off an on almost as quickly.
Coal and wood chips can't be turned on and off easily and quickly. And they are both maintenance heavy, as you need to move physical fuel around, and then deal with ash.
Gas really is the perfect fuel. It's quick to spin up. It is easy to store and move around. And it's highly efficient and relatively non-polluting.
But it is requiring the Government to put £26 billion into CCS to keep natural gas a viable Net Zero-compliant option. Add that into the equation and it isn't a cheap way forward at all.
Britain is running out of time to fix a £61 billion mistake A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances ... What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Boris was lucky. When he was PM the British Right's big thing was Brexit, of which he was regarded the godfather and saviour. I wonder how he would have fared if it had been immigration (as it is now)? He would probably have been more reviled than Dave.
Johnson was lucky in being able to offer the false promises of both Brexit and levelling up. But everything fell apart after his third false promise of “we’re all in it together”.
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In this podcast they include:
- The best conversation around Elon Musk from the Conservative side of the aisle that I have heard; notably different from what I have heard coming out of the Parliamentary Party eg Chris Philp and Kemi and Bobby G. This mad eme recommend this edition.
- Also discussion of Mike Amesbury & the potential Runcorn byelection. They are obviously politics people, if not to PB levels of obsessive detail.
- Resignation of Labour Broxtowe Councillors.
- Local Government Reorganisation. Interesting stuff I have not heard elsewhere.
Personally I think it is malformed in that such a podcast should be either non-political or cross-party. And preferably PCCs should not be political at all..
To give them their due, back in December I fed back strongly that they should at least be introducing themselves as "Conservative PCCs" not "PCCs", given the amount of "political" rather than "policing" content - which they seem to now have done (on the evidence of this one episode).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXsc-j4Law0
Just because somebody else discusses the story doesn't give you an excuse to discuss the story.
A wave of low-skilled migration is about to become eligible for indefinite leave to remain – and crush the public finances
...
What we actually got was the “Boriswave” – an unprecedented surge that saw net migration rise from 184,000 in 2019 to a peak of 906,000 in the year to June 2023.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/09/britain-running-time-fix-boris-johnson-immigration-betrayal/ (£££)
Yesterday the GB power market came within 580 MW of demand control or a blackout on what was the tightest day since 2011 or before
@neso_energy issued its first Electricity Market Notice of the winter and third (quickly cancelled) Capacity Market Notice
https://x.com/KathrynPorter26/status/1877232061347438985
https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-is-reforms-support-growing-in-scotland/
TSE Writes - THIS A SUBSAMPLE.
He’d be a great fit.
Not all of those migrants will stay and plenty will be students who will return but all the same plenty will. Those who are not a net burden should be encouraged to stay and those who aren’t, especially those with their economically inactive dependents, should get the carriage clock, picture of the spitfire and BFH.
You've claimed he does it to "everyone who disagrees with him" and a lot of people disagree with Starmer, so it should be trivially easy for you to name five examples.
Reform on the other hand offer Trumpian triumphalism, and are capturing the zeitgeist. If Trump crashes the World, Reform may suffer by association.
In some ways you are provoking a response that you know cannot be properly answered
I could read chapter and verse to you on this, but I simply will not prejudice @TSE
Whole sectors of the economy denuded of workers after Brexit. as discussed exhaustively on here. Health, social care, retail, tourism, accommodation, and much else. Johnson are Farage are really charlatans of the worst kind, but still they get a free pass.
and smart, as demonstrated when she well and truly rinsed Rebekah.
From his history over Hillsborough, I think he sees a thorough and effective inquiry as getting answers and catharsis for the community/survivors.
You're right that the Tories have an image problem, but in the scenario I outlined, it wouldn't matter, because the people who hate them would be voting Reform.
Inflation will be higher under Trump therefore interest rates higher therefore dollar stronger
https://youtu.be/N2UZVanHTF4?feature=shared
You should never use a dynamo in those situations…
Leicester need 3 teams blow us and currently only one is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELRVlOGrT4
Ninety minutes of everyone's favourite former Prime Minister being interviewed on a podcast (not that I've watched it yet). Published two hours ago.
In the future, we're going to end up in a position where we need loads of gas capacity that is very rarely used. The economics of that is rather interesting.
On a net basis though Burnham is even higher +28% to -13% for Farage and -25% for Starmer and -12% for Boris
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all
As I have posted before this is a shitstorm of generational scale just waiting to happen the way it is being handled.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14267633/killer-fludemic-Covid.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50412772
You are trying to provoke a response but there is no doubt Starmer has attempted to brand those who disagree with him as far right for quite some time and to argue otherwise is simply being in denial
Take right now: 47gw demand of which gas is 21 and wind is 13. A few years ago on similar loadings wind would have been low single figures. With a doubling of capacity tonight would be 26 wind and 8 gas. Battery storage should help too.
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2717.full
Edit: for that subtype of flu anyway if not specifically human ex-bird flu.
It’s not “far right” it’s authoritarian / populist
However @TSE E has banned any discussion on it for both legal reasons and the forthcoming OSA so we have to respect his decision
The problem is if are in a dead calm for 7 days - you'd need an enormous amount of BESS to make up for it. Tidal has significant intermittency challenges too. Having a bunch of gas power stations on standby is always going to be cheaper - just need to plant a load of trees to make up for it.
King of the North, King of the North, King of the North !
He would be a huge improvement on Starmer but I cannot see a pathway there anytime soon
It seems the far right has become the scarlet pimpernel of right wing politics. Nowhere to be seen. No siree. That is not in fact a spade, it’s a giant trowel.
A sign of weakness.
He wasn’t a success at national level government. But has found his metier as Mayor. Seems to enjoy it, and has managed to actually get some stuff done.
He could easily stay in that post until retirement - it’s effectively a safe seat and he has built a personal vote as well.
Natural gas stations have low capital and maintenance costs, and high fuel costs. That makes them perfect for filling in gaps.
But because it is "zero carbon"*, it runs baseload.
*Yes, all that CO2 coming out the stack is actually emitted in Canada when the trees get felled. And the fact that it will take 50 years for it to be sucked back out of the atmosphere by the replacement saplings that may or may not replace the felled trees is overlooked. So no impact on climate change. Really.
🌳CON 26% (nc)
🌹LAB 26% (nc)
➡️ REF UK 22% (+3)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% ( -1)
🌍 GREEN 7% (-1)
🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
N = 2,011 6 - 8 Jan, Change w 10 Dec
Not as good for Reform UK, but they won't be unhappy with +3.
Not everyone agrees that this is the right sector to prioritise for carbon capture.
Gas really is the perfect fuel. It's quick to spin up. It is easy to store and move around. And it's highly efficient and relatively non-polluting.
https://www.itv.com/news/2025-01-06/one-in-ten-mps-also-sits-on-a-local-council-itv-news-can-reveal