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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127

    German-French statements, general apoplexy..and nothing from the British government on Canada. Charles is head of state of a country that the incoming President is now publicly committed to annexing.

    We are becoming a slightly comical presence on the world stage.

    But nobody’s laughing.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    ydoethur said:

    I thought they were skint too?

    It would be better to invade somewhere with spare cash like Canada.

    Ummm...actually, that might not be a smart suggestion right now.
    I hear the Virgin Islands has a fair amount of cash, on paper at least. Rather inexplicably.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    But nobody’s laughing.
    That's just the German-French humour taking effect.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/GermanHumour/

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083
    ohnotnow said:

    I hear the Virgin Islands has a fair amount of cash, on paper at least. Rather inexplicably.
    Don't tell Trump that, it would give him two reasons to invade.
  • biggles said:

    Regarding Canada, I am sure the King will act as advised by his Government over there.

    As will the British Government. Suggestions we make any statement about Canadian sovereignty they haven’t requested belong in the 19th century.

    More generally, I have felt a bit crap this week. Full on man flu. Felt really miserable. But I have consoled myself with this thought:

    At least I’m not Marco Rubio.

    The King isn't only in one sense accountable to his government I'm Canada, rather than, London, though.
    If nothing is said when Trump lays out a plan to occupy the entire country, it seems to be an admission that the Commonwealth doesn't really exist, and possibly in the long-term our owm monarchical constitutional set-up, too.

    Another increasing sense I have is that parts of the right in the U.K. will eventually have to more publicly come to terms with an underlying U.S. allegiance. That's fine, but it would require more public honesty.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 623

    I’ve heard it said that, in the U.K., the airlines were told off for discussing a joint no-fly list. Get banned on one, get banned on all. The government of the time was worried about backlash….
    Data Protection Act 2018 would apply?

    Mind you think of all those parking ticket cases blocking up the County Courts. Surprised Ryanair found a court slot to mount a claim.
  • His Government *in* Canada, that should ofcourse say.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    The King isn't only in one sense accountable to his government I'm Canada, rather than, London, though.
    If nothing is said when Trump lays out a plan to occupy the entire country, it seems to be an admission that the Commonwealth doesn't really exist, and possibly in the long-term our owm monarchical constitutional set-up, too.

    Another increasing sense I have is that parts of the right in the U.K. will eventually have to more publicly come to terms with an underlying U.S. allegiance. That's fine, but it would require more public honesty.
    I genuinely don’t understand where you are coming from. The Canadian Government isn’t going big on it (for obvious reasons) so why would they want their King or their ally to? And why would we do it without them asking us to?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,195

    Queen Margrethe stood down on 14th January 2024, the 50th anniversary of her accession.
    Thanks for the clarification.

    The G has confused the announcement with the abdication by the look.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Cyclefree said:

    There are many reasons why people commit suicide. There is rarely just one cause and those charities dealing with it always advocate caution about blaming it on one factor alone. Sad as that case was, we only heard the father's story. It is understandable why he might blame what his daughter was seeing online for her death. But that avoids asking some other tough questions about what else was going on and why she was spending so long online. And - brutal as this might sound - is one sad case a sufficient basis for a law which has 241 sections, 12 parts and 17 schedules and still requires loads more regulations and guidance?
    It's not.
    But is it really true to say it's based on "one sad case" ?

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 623

    Presumably you're against the possible annexation of Northern Ireland? Should any moves from the Republic to promote a border poll be condemned?
    Think Northern Ireland is quite, quite safe from annexation by the South. It's an economic basket case and quite within it's rights to get the odd £bn or two from the mugs across the Irish Sea. So, so generous.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083
    Battlebus said:

    Think Northern Ireland is quite, quite safe from annexation by the South. It's an economic basket case and quite within its rights to get the odd £bn or two from the mugs across the Irish Sea. So, so generous.
    We send a billion or two to the South? Why?
  • biggles said:

    I genuinely don’t understand where you are coming from. The Canadian Government isn’t going big on it (for obvious reasons) so why would they want their King or their ally to? And why would we do it without them asking us to?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news
    As I remember it, the Commonwealth Charter is full of provisions on self-determination, peace and equality of nations. If a neighbour.is committed to taking over a member, obviously its head would be expected to take a position.

    Starmer would then be responsible for giving Charles and the Conmonwealth its voice. So far it doesn't seem to have one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    edited January 8
    biggles said:

    I genuinely don’t understand where you are coming from. The Canadian Government isn’t going big on it (for obvious reasons) so why would they want their King or their ally to? And why would we do it without them asking us to?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news
    We were talking a scenario where Trump sent US troops over the Canadian border to invade and capture Ottowa. Even if still very unlikely the Canadian government wouldn't have much choice but to respond then and so would the King and his UK government too on behalf of the King's realm of Canada
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    ydoethur said:

    We send a billion or two to the South? Why?
    Ten container ships of Guinness a week, plus Graham Norton and some cricketers?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    HYUFD said:

    The US intervened in Grenada in the 1980s only to stop a Marxist coup and even then Reagan got some strong words from Thatcher. A US invasion of Canada would be a different scenario. I would suspect France would also intervene given Quebec and as I also said in the highly unlikely event Trump followed through with all his threats he could also be facing a war with Mexico on his southern flank

    It was actually a coup within a Marxist dictatorship. The head chap wasn’t as batshit* Marxist as some of the others, so they murdered him for his moderation.

    *he had loopy ideas, such as making sure the economy didn’t collapse rather than ideological purity.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083

    It was actually a coup within a Marxist dictatorship. The head chap wasn’t as batshit* Marxist as some of the others, so they murdered him for his moderation.

    *he had loopy ideas, such as making sure the economy didn’t collapse rather than ideological purity.
    So Trump wouldn't have lifted a finger to save him?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    edited January 8
    Nigelb said:

    It's not.
    But is it really true to say it's based on "one sad case" ?

    It's not unique. One of my neices developed anorexia severe enough for her to be hospitalised, encouraged by "pro-rexia" Social Media sites.

    There's a real issue out there.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    biggles said:

    None. We borrow up front to increase the size and capability of the armed forces, and then pay it back by ransacking France and Ireland like the old days.
    If a plane crashes on the U.K./Ukrainian border….
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    As I remember it, the Commonwealth Charter is full of provisions on self-determination, peace and equality of nations. If a neighbour.is committed to taking over a member, obviously its head would be expected to take a position.

    Starmer would then be responsible for giving Charles and the Conmonwealth its voice. So far it doesn't seem to have one.
    But not without the Canadian Government asking us to…
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914
    HYUFD said:

    We were talking a scenario where Trump sent US troops over the Canadian border to invade and capture Ottowa. Even if still very unlikely the Canadian government wouldn't have much choice but to respond then
    Just had a text from my son and Canadian daughter in law in Vancouver in stitches about Trump and his ramblings

    It is not going to happen, and no need to waste time on here with absurd scenarios of invading Ottawa or anywhere else in Canada
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    HYUFD said:

    We were talking a scenario where Trump sent US troops over the Canadian border to invade and capture Ottowa. Even if still very unlikely the Canadian government wouldn't have much choice but to respond then and so would the King and his UK government too on behalf of the King's realm of Canada
    Oh in that scenario? Well, yes, but as you say that obviously won’t happen. I thought we were talking about Trump’s rhetoric, which the Canadian Government obviously wants to mostly downplay and ignore.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    If a plane crashes on the U.K./Ukrainian border….
    Nah. I don’t fancy Belarus and we’d never beat the Poles.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    ydoethur said:

    So Trump wouldn't have lifted a finger to save him?
    And/or made him Vice President of the United States. It’s Trump, after all.

    Apparently Bishop was a one of those people who could talk his way *into* anything.
  • biggles said:

    But not without the Canadian Government asking us to…
    I think the set-up of the Commonwealth is that the Head takes a position for the whole organisation. This is whyna group members were so keen to change who the head was, a few years back, now, I think.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    biggles said:

    None. We borrow up front to increase the size and capability of the armed forces, and then pay it back by ransacking France and Ireland like the old days.
    Worked in France up to about 1422 then things went downhill. And I’m not sure Ireland was ever that profitable.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484
    As Trudeau has prorogued parliament for 3 months, perhaps the King should step in to provide leadership during this tense time?
  • This is *why a group of", that should be there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Foxy said:

    It's not unique. One of my neices developed anorexia severe enough for her to be hospitalised, encouraged by "pro-rexia" Social Media sites.

    There's a real issue out there.
    And it's hardly the only issue which was the genesis for the Act.

    It's a truly badly thought out piece of legislation, but let's not pretend that simply doing nothing was a realistic option.

    This lengthy piece of work from 2019 is worth a read.
    https://carnegieuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Online-harm-reduction-a-statutory-duty-of-care-and-regulator-2.pdf
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,430

    As Trudeau has prorogued parliament for 3 months, perhaps the King should step in to provide leadership during this tense time?

    Surely the governor general will be in charge there?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484

    Surely the governor general will be in charge there?
    Doesn't have the international profile of Charles III.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Doesn't have the international profile of Charles III.
    The Governor General formally exercises the King's duties in Canada day to day and of course Trudeau remains PM until the next Liberal leader and therefore PM of Canada is chosen
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,780

    As Trudeau has prorogued parliament for 3 months, perhaps the King should step in to provide leadership during this tense time?

    Has anyone asked Baroness Hale what she thinks about this prorogation? :D
  • Surely the governor general will be in charge there?
    Interesting. The current Governor-Generai is Mary Simon.
    She's Inuk, which is a same ethnicity found in Greenland.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    Nigelb said:

    And it's hardly the only issue which was the genesis for the Act.

    It's a truly badly thought out piece of legislation, but let's not pretend that simply doing nothing was a realistic option.

    This lengthy piece of work from 2019 is worth a read.
    https://carnegieuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Online-harm-reduction-a-statutory-duty-of-care-and-regulator-2.pdf
    It’s such a complex one though. If you’re looking for those forums then you’re probably really looking for them. Will this Act, or any form of restriction, stop you or will it see you start using VPNs and gravitating to the dark web if you need to? If you do the latter, you’ll find even worse.

    We need to really think about this one.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484
    GIN1138 said:

    Has anyone asked Baroness Hale what she thinks about this prorogation? :D
    Gina Miller was full of praise for Trudeau.

    https://x.com/thatginamiller/status/1876571217055871245
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    Just had a text from my son and Canadian daughter in law in Vancouver in stitches about Trump and his ramblings

    It is not going to happen, and no need to waste time on here with absurd scenarios of invading Ottawa or anywhere else in Canada
    Very unlikely I agree but a rehash of the War of 1812 is no longer an impossibility, nor for that matter is a repeat of the Mexican and American Wars of the 1830s and 1840s
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    Sir Sheer Wanker.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    I do think the late Queen might have sent a subtle signal. Perhaps a deniable broach? The King should look to his tie collection.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    edited January 8
    Catching up, but Kemi Badenoch did a very good job at PMQs I thought. Sir Funeral Director scraped through with his righteous chin wobbling indignation that anyone should dare to put his vital child welfare bill in jeopardy, but it was fairly thin stuff and I think Kemi had the best of it and it wasn't close.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,780

    Gina Miller was full of praise for Trudeau.

    https://x.com/thatginamiller/status/1876571217055871245
    Blaming it all on Thatcher and Reagan even though they left power 35 and 37 years ago respectively.

    And who's Justine Trudeau? Is that his "non-binary" name? :D
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,780
    edited January 8

    Catching up, but Kemi Badenoch did a very good job at PMQs I thought. Sir Funeral Director scraped through with his righteous chin wobbling indignation that anyone should dare to put his vital child welfare bill in jeopardy, but it was fairly thin stuff and I think Kemi had the best of it and it wasn't close.

    I don't think we're supposed to be discussing PMQ's (well not the PM/LOTO part of it anyway)

    But I agree. Starmar was absolutely woeful today. I wonder if he has a smell formaldehyde about him? 😂
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,561
    edited January 8
    Foxy said:

    The Yanks bought their Virgin isles off Denmark in 1917, for US 25 million, by agreement of both countries, and there had been a plebiscite on the Islands previously.

    Incidentally, as part of the treaty of transfer, the United States accepted a Danish demand for a declaration stating that they would "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland"



    They still drive on the left in the USVI thanks to their Danish heritage - in US-built left-hand-drive vehicles massively too wide for the roads. The islands are a bit rough but 'interesting' and definitely not a suitable destination for a self-drive holiday.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    ...
    GIN1138 said:

    I don't think we're supposed to be discussing PMQ's (not not the PM/LOTO part of it)

    But I agree. Starmar was absolutely woeful today. I wonder is he has a smell formaldehyde about him? 😂
    Eh?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602
    edited January 8
    viewcode said:

    Well, when you start with the poo-pooing, where does it all end? You poo-poo the poo-poo, which then gets poo-poo'd, and it all
    goes wrong. And why? Because poo-poo!
    And pretty soon you are into Buffalo buffalo Buffallo buffallo buffallo Buffallo buffallo territory
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,882
    edited January 8
    I think Canada and Greenland need to form a defense pact/union. Greencanadaland.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    GIN1138 said:

    I don't think we're supposed to be discussing PMQ's (well not the PM/LOTO part of it anyway)

    But I agree. Starmar was absolutely woeful today. I wonder is he has a smell formaldehyde about him? 😂
    How much would we have to pay Mauritius to take him?

    I'd be willing to pay quite a bit more tax for it.
  • Battlebus said:

    Data Protection Act 2018 would apply?

    Mind you think of all those parking ticket cases blocking up the County Courts. Surprised Ryanair found a court slot to mount a claim.
    Good point but the action is being brought in the Irish courts!
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,561
    HYUFD said:

    Very unlikely I agree but a rehash of the War of 1812 is no longer an impossibility, nor for that matter is a repeat of the Mexican and American Wars of the 1830s and 1840s
    So how far would a column of tanks get before the Canucks wiped them out?
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 203
    edited January 8
    If Trump does keep threatening to take over Canada I trust the Canadians will bomb acting clan the Baldwins in a preemptive strike.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFKdg-WQnbE
  • "British Commonwealth" is trending internationaly on twitter, which must be.a first.

    No statements so far from its Head.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Thanks @GarethoftheVale for an excellent thread today - needless to say I agree with every word.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,780

    How much would we have to pay Mauritius to take him?

    I'd be willing to pay quite a bit more tax for it.
    Good idea. The whole country has been under a cloud of depression since he and Rachel ascended...
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347

    I think Canada and Greenland need to form a defense pact/union. Greencanadaland.

    Sounds like an ITV franchise.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484
    GIN1138 said:

    Blaming it all on Thatcher and Reagan even though they left power 35 and 37 years ago respectively.

    And who's Justine Trudeau? Is that his "non-binary" name? :D
    I didn't notice she'd called him Justine. Maybe she thinks it's the French spelling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Former Reform UK London Mayoral candidate and Dover candidate last year Howard Cox leaves the party

    https://x.com/HowardCCox/status/1877048451428384782
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484
    Foss said:

    Sounds like an ITV franchise.
    Or Canagreen, a new alcopop.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017

    "Musk will spend millions to turn Europe into a populist paradise", Steve Bannon tells Bloomberg.
    Great.

    Has there ever been a populist paradise? People in populist countries seem quite depressed, if and when they are allowed to voice it.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347

    Or Canagreen, a new alcopop.
    Only a supermarket own brand one though.
  • The statements from some Canadians on the "British Commonwealth" tag on X News are rather interesting.

    "Canada is part of the British Commonwealth, so stick it."

    "We are British Commonwealth, so Britain won't give us up.:
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    "British Commonwealth" is trending internationaly on twitter, which must be.a first.

    No statements so far from its Head.

    Seriously, the King of Canada will say nothing unless his ministers tell him to. Nor will the King of the U.K., and his ministers would need to be asked by Canada. And the Head of the Commonwealth won’t discuss Canada without consulting with… Canada.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484

    The statements from some Canadians on the "British Commonwealth" tag on X News are rather interesting.

    "Canada is part of the British Commonwealth, so stick it."

    "We are British Commonwealth, so Britain won't give us up.:

    Now's our chance to make CANZUK happen. Perhaps it's a shame we don't have Boris as leader at this moment as he'd be more nimble in charting a course for Britain in this new era.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    Has there ever been a populist paradise? People in populist countries seem quite depressed, if and when they are allowed to voice it.
    I’m told the trains tend to run on time.
  • biggles said:

    Seriously, the King of Canada will say nothing unless his ministers tell him to. Nor will the King of the U.K., and his ministers would need to be asked by Canada. And the Head of the Commonwealth won’t discuss Canada without consulting with… Canada.
    As I mentioned, though, that's not the leadership structure of the organisation.
    Otherwise, all those African countries wouldn't have been so keen to change the Head.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    Now's our chance to make CANZUK happen. Perhaps it's a shame we don't have Boris as leader at this moment as he'd be more nimble in charting a course for Britain in this new era.
    If Greenland joins and we invade the Canarys, we can describe an “I” shape across the planet.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    edited January 8

    As I mentioned, though, that's not the leadership structure of the organisation.
    Otherwise, all those African countries wouldn't have been so keen to change the Head.
    Where on earth are you getting this from? With the exception of countries on the naughty step like SA back in the day, give one example of the Head of the Commonwealth commenting on events within a Commonwealth nation without its permission, after about 1965.

    That sort of thing just isn’t done.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484
    biggles said:

    If Greenland joins and we invade the Canarys, we can describe an “I” shape across the planet.
    Or maybe Greenland instead of Canada. Then we'd be symmetrical with a big island and an archipelago at both ends.
  • I agree that it would probably be difficult in practice, though, for Charles to say something yet.
    He's going to have to at some point.
  • Now's our chance to make CANZUK happen. Perhaps it's a shame we don't have Boris as leader at this moment as he'd be more nimble in charting a course for Britain in this new era.
    I don't think so. A friend of many Trumpites, who campaigned with him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,484

    I don't think so. A friend of many Trumpites, who campaigned with him.
    That's why he'd be the best person to make it happen without too much pushback from Trump.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    "Back off or I'll make Harry the Prince of British America."
    “Those drones you can’t identify or catch? You don’t seriously think our whole defence budget only pays for the pittance that’s visible do you?

    All your bases are now belong to us”.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602

    "Back off or I'll make Harry the Prince of British America."
    Perhaps Washington State should join Canada?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,540
    biggles said:

    I’m told the trains tend to run on time.
    Salvini being the minister accountable for a 2 day national meltdown of Italy's signalling system last year did not pass entirely unremarked.

    https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/10/02/chaos-grips-italys-rail-network-as-trains-fail-to-depart-from-romes-two-biggest-stations
  • biggles said:

    Where on earth are you getting this from? With the exception of countries on the naughty step like SA back in the day, give one example of the Head of the Commonwealth commenting on events within a Commonwealth nation without its permission, after about 1965.

    That sort of thing just isn’t done.
    All I can go on is what seems to be the precedent. After the first Commonwealth governmemyal meeting, which turns out in Canada, the protocol seems to be that in any crisis, Charles would consult with all members, and then make his own choice of vhairman-type statement.

    If Trump and Musk continue on this road, he'll have to speed up that process.
  • Chairman, sorry.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008

    Catching up, but Kemi Badenoch did a very good job at PMQs I thought. Sir Funeral Director scraped through with his righteous chin wobbling indignation that anyone should dare to put his vital child welfare bill in jeopardy, but it was fairly thin stuff and I think Kemi had the best of it and it wasn't close.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/pmqs-uk-keir-starmer-wins-as-kemi-badenoch-goes-full-elon-musk/

    When Starmer asked Kemi “have you ever mentioned this before Musk did, as MP or Minister” and Kemi couldn’t answer, that was the zinger that won it for Starmer today.

    That in a nutshell is the Tory weakness trying to match Reform on this, it’s so transparent they didn’t ask these questions till in opposition.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,371
    HYUFD said:

    Former Reform UK London Mayoral candidate and Dover candidate last year Howard Cox leaves the party

    https://x.com/HowardCCox/status/1877048451428384782

    Does he think Reform UK are too racist, or not racist enough?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    Yes. I was right. We can call it peak Liverpool for this season. They only got on a run due to easy run of fixtures, now they are leggy, off ball like watching players running through treacle. The press fell apart against Manchester Utd, the press was nonexistent this evening against Spurs reserves.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,092

    https://www.politico.eu/article/pmqs-uk-keir-starmer-wins-as-kemi-badenoch-goes-full-elon-musk/

    When Starmer asked Kemi “have you ever mentioned this before Musk did, as MP or Minister” and Kemi couldn’t answer, that was the zinger that won it for Starmer today.

    That in a nutshell is the Tory weakness trying to match Reform on this, it’s so transparent they didn’t ask these questions till in opposition.
    Guys, there is a ban on this subject here on PB thanks to new Online Safety issues.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914

    https://www.politico.eu/article/pmqs-uk-keir-starmer-wins-as-kemi-badenoch-goes-full-elon-musk/

    When Starmer asked Kemi “have you ever mentioned this before Musk did, as MP or Minister” and Kemi couldn’t answer, that was the zinger that won it for Starmer today.

    That in a nutshell is the Tory weakness trying to match Reform on this, it’s so transparent they didn’t ask these questions till in opposition.
    I think you should delete that post as it is a banned subject
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,430

    I think you should delete that post as it is a banned subject
    Sarcastic?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914

    Sarcastic?
    No - haven't you seen @TSE repeated warnings this subject is banned due to the OSA ?

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    Yes. I was right. We can call it peak Liverpool for this season. They only got on a run due to easy run of fixtures, now they are leggy, off ball like watching players running through treacle. The press fell apart against Manchester Utd, the press was nonexistent this evening against Spurs reserves.

    Let's see how they crumble at the City Ground againt the Mighty Reds....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    edited January 8

    They still drive on the left in the USVI thanks to their Danish heritage - in US-built left-hand-drive vehicles massively too wide for the roads. The islands are a bit rough but 'interesting' and definitely not a suitable destination for a self-drive holiday.
    I went there in the 1970s, flying with the famous "Antillies Airboats" airline. They flew ex-war Grumman Goose's between the islands, landing in the harbour, then taxi-ing up the slipway. We flew from St Croix to St Thomas on them, over to St John, and the BVI, then vin a Short Sandringham flying boat to Puerto Rico. I think it likely that we flew on the one that the boss pranged and died in a few years later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilles_Air_Boats

    My Dad loved flying, though gave up his licence after leaving the RAF. He didn't trust civvy maintenance engineers.



  • No - haven't you seen @TSE repeated warnings this subject is banned due to the OSA ?

    Chilling.

    The UK desperately needs that Act repealing and a First Amendment replacement.

    It doesn't matter that Musk etc are batshit crazy, that power could be abused by anyone.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    I like the theory that Trump is obsessed with Greenland because he thinks it's so big, not realising that that is a misleading result of the Mercator projection.

    Nobody tell him how big Nigeria really is...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,973
    edited January 8

    It is chilling if people on a forum about politics cannot discuss the exchange between the prime minister and the LOTO at PMQs. That CANNOT be the intention of the OSA.
    As TSE has repeatedly advised us, it's not due to the OSA but because discussion of the topic stimulated a number of defamatory posts.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914

    Chilling.

    The UK desperately needs that Act repealing and a First Amendment replacement.

    It doesn't matter that Musk etc are batshit crazy, that power could be abused by anyone.
    @Cyclefree has done an excellent header on this subject and it seems the ECHR may be the only forum to appeal to but in the meantime PB must listen to @TSE or PB will not survive
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Eabhal said:

    As TSE has repeatedly advised us, it's not due to the OSA but because discussion of the topic stimulated a number of defamtory posts.
    In which discussing PMQs is fine, and posters are incorrect to suggest discussing it are banned?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914
    Eabhal said:

    As TSE has repeatedly advised us, it's not due to the OSA but because discussion of the topic stimulated a number of defamtory posts.
    @TSE has coupled it with the OSA and at least on the banned subject we should all know it is not to be discussed
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,914

    In which discussing PMQs is fine, and posters are incorrect to suggest discussing it are banned?
    It is banned by @TSE and that ban must be respected if we want PB to continue
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    biggles said:

    It’s such a complex one though. If you’re looking for those forums then you’re probably really looking for them. Will this Act, or any form of restriction, stop you or will it see you start using VPNs and gravitating to the dark web if you need to? If you do the latter, you’ll find even worse.

    We need to really think about this one.
    Oh, I'm not defending the Act itself.
    But if you're going to attack it, suggesting that there's no problem to be addressed, including by legislation, is not a sensible strategy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902

    Sarcastic?
    No.
    @TheScreamingEagles has repeatedly and clearly said that, until further notice, it's a banned topic for discussion.
    Posters were getting carried away and posting potentially libellous comments - fur which gets site can be liable.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,780
    edited January 8

    https://www.politico.eu/article/pmqs-uk-keir-starmer-wins-as-kemi-badenoch-goes-full-elon-musk/

    When Starmer asked Kemi “have you ever mentioned this before Musk did, as MP or Minister” and Kemi couldn’t answer, that was the zinger that won it for Starmer today.

    That in a nutshell is the Tory weakness trying to match Reform on this, it’s so transparent they didn’t ask these questions till in opposition.
    The Tories were in power a long time and made many mistakes. That is true. But they are now in Opposition and their role now is to probe, ask questions and subject the government to scrutiny for THEIR decisions.

    Otherwise what is the point of the Opposition?

    I thought Kemi did very well today and Starmer was woeful (easily his worse performance since July)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Nigelb said:

    No.
    @TheScreamingEagles has repeatedly and clearly said that, until further notice, it's a banned topic for discussion.
    Posters were getting carried away and posting potentially libellous comments - fur which gets site can be liable.
    I can respect that, but surely discussing PMQs is not the same thing?
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