To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
Not a restaurant, but my grandmother, a fine Hebridean woman and a good cook, was a bit hard nosed about food storage (she’d laughingly describe her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it). Gran tended to store cooked foods in the larder rather than the fridge, and more than once I doggedly munched on food I knew was on the edge of safety. The worst occasion was cooked chicken that I knew was off but persisted with. Foolishly went drinking in Edinburgh afterwards to get the taste away, bagged off with someone, post coital puke in their lav, diarrhoea on the first train back to Glasgow, poop turned white for a couple of days. The 80s were great.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Not saying you're wrong, but where does this 250,000 children figure come from? It sounds implausible to me.
250,000 acts of abuse with many children abused many times to get to that figure seems more plausible.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Between 250,000 and 500,000 children were not involved. Those numbers are entirely unsubstantiated.
The numbers involved are horrific, with the Jay inquiry estimating 1400 children abused and maybe more in Rotherham, but there were not 100+ Rotherhams.
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
Not a restaurant, but my grandmother, a fine Hebridean woman and a good cook, was a bit hard nosed about food storage (she’d laughingly describe her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it). Gran tended to store cooked foods in the larder rather than the fridge, and more than once I doggedly munched on food I knew was on the edge of safety. The worst occasion was cooked chicken that I knew was off but persisted with. Foolishly went drinking in Edinburgh afterwards to get the taste away, bagged off with someone, post coital puke in their lav, diarrhoea on the first train back to Glasgow, poop turned white for a couple of days. The 80s were great.
Well, not many peatbogs in Edinburgh to bury your guga in. Very antiseptic, sphagnum peat. (My mum told me about her time as a girl collecting it during the war for dressings.)
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
And it's not just America is it. Does Tim think we are being unfairly tarnished? If we were getting international opprobrium over say the plight of the poor I doubt the people who are so unhappy with us taking regard of what others say on grooming gangs would have the same attitude.
I just find the idea of Americans lecturing us on the iniquities of misogyny a little irritating. We have a problem- the whole world has a problem. But let us criticise ourselves. Not pay such obsessive attention to what a mad billionaire is saying.
Surely, the problem is our refusing to criticise ourselves?
Very good move by Nige to separate himself from Elon Musk yesterday surrounding Tommy Robinson. Nige remains the country's most astute politician by a country mile. What Reform may lose on the very far right to the EDL they will gain 10x on the left and right.
I was talking to an American about all of this controversy at lunch today and he put it in perspective for me as to why it's blowing up in the US and why Tommy Robinson is seen as a "freedom fighter" rather than a far right nut. He says that Americans haven't previously heard of the rape gang scandal/coverup, they aren't as jaded with the British establishment as we are so their anger around the thought of 250,000 girls being raped over two decades with no action taken by the authorities under the guise of not wanting to be seen as racist has captured everyone's attention. Not just on the right wing but among liberals like him too, who see similar policies in liberal cities and now think twice about having the concept of "protected people/culture" or having any single culture above criticism as Muslim culture has become in the UK. He said they only see whatever Robinson and his supporters put on YT about the rape gangs over the past 10 years and suddenly everything he's been saying seems prophetic and his imprisonment looks like the state attempting to silence him over these videos.
He suggested that it simply doesn't compute to any American that the systematic rape of young girls by a group of people can be overlooked by law enforcement. He pointed out that the catholic church in the US has had it's reckoning and one of the reasons why it carried on for so long was that the church made a lot of effort to hide and cover everything up internally so there was no chance of external investigations by police or the FBI. What he said that has made the US public so confused is that the authorities looked the other way after being told by numerous people that this was happening at a huge scale in northern cities.
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What has surprised me is the outrage and repulsion in the LIBERAL Anglosphere. Australia, Canada, America, and beyond. All saying "Britain has lost all right to lecture anyone on human rights, rape culture, misogyny, racism"
Basically, we are humiliated. Our only choice is to face up to it. I hope Starmer sees this, with his speech
I know quite a lot about the grooming gangs, taxi driver, night time economy preying on vulnerable kids with drugs and whatnot and really horrible...but the real stomach churning paedophiles who abused pre-pubescent kids, many within their own families and their own children were almost universally white men..
You're right about the last point, yet when did the police and authorities cover up for those paedophiles and refuse to investigate multiple reports of gang rapes? What people like you and others on here don't understand is that the anger across the world is about the coverup by the British establishment that allowed the rapists to continue raping these poor children at will. A rapist is going to rape, sadly there is little we can do to stop that other than remove that person from society.
When those cases with those disgusting men raping their daughters/sons/nieces/nephews came to light charges were brought and they got locked up, the failure there a lot of the time was among other family members not coming forwards to make those reports and children feeling unable to do so, however when those reports are made action is usually taken and investigations made. The difference here is that those actions and investigations never happened, those rapists were allowed to continue with impunity even after reports were made to the police and other people in authority.
Do you see the difference, people understand that the rapists are awful and clearly need to be locked up and I'm glad that there has been action to do so over the last decade (though not nearly enough and sentences haven't been anywhere near tough enough). What we need answers on are the systemic coverups that seemingly cut across all parts of the state. What drove these ordinary people who probably were decent in their daily lives to turn a blind eye to the suffering of these girls and allow these rapists to continue and how many of them are still operating in children's services, how do we change that culture of valuing cultural harmony higher than the kids who were being raped? These are questions that need answers.
I think you'll find that those vulnerable kids are still being exploited in much the same way...local authorities simply pay for them to be cared for by unregulated providers and ship them to other areas of the country to avoid responsibility....
In my experience there really was no cover up...the police were just not interested (and didn't have the time) in hearing about 16 year old kids in care taking drugs and not returning to placements...and they are as hopeless now in dealing with it as they were then....
I honestly try to avoid this kind of discussion because it is too close to home, but the level of ignorance is astonishing...
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Anybody who claims to be concerned about trafficking, grooming, and the sexual abuse of children and then hangs around with Donald Trump, best friend of Jeffrey Epstein, and a person with dozens of accusations of sexual abuse of his own is not sincere. It's plainly nonsensical.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Not saying you're wrong, but where does this 250,000 children figure come from? It sounds implausible to me.
250,000 acts of abuse with many children abused many times to get to that figure seems more plausible.
Ann Cryer who did a lot of legwork on this estimated that 250k children were abused by these rape gangs over a 20-30 year period as a low estimate. Over that timeframe it seems plausible when you consider the national scale of the problem.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
At the university canteen in Dar Es Salaam I chomped into a chicken thigh and felt a pop, then a squirt. A large pus-filled abscess hidden next to the thigh bone had exploded in my mouth. A day later I succumbed to fever and diarrhoea which stayed with me for a week.
You win. My worst was finding a drawing pin in a roll at a motorway service station. Presumably the pin had been attaching a label.
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
Not a restaurant, but my grandmother, a fine Hebridean woman and a good cook, was a bit hard nosed about food storage (she’d laughingly describe her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it). Gran tended to store cooked foods in the larder rather than the fridge, and more than once I doggedly munched on food I knew was on the edge of safety. The worst occasion was cooked chicken that I knew was off but persisted with. Foolishly went drinking in Edinburgh afterwards to get the taste away, bagged off with someone, post coital puke in their lav, diarrhoea on the first train back to Glasgow, poop turned white for a couple of days. The 80s were great.
My childhood piano teacher had no fridge. He used to keep supermarket yoghurts in the larder, and reckoned they tasted best between two weeks and a month.
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
Not a restaurant, but my grandmother, a fine Hebridean woman and a good cook, was a bit hard nosed about food storage (she’d laughingly describe her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it). Gran tended to store cooked foods in the larder rather than the fridge, and more than once I doggedly munched on food I knew was on the edge of safety. The worst occasion was cooked chicken that I knew was off but persisted with. Foolishly went drinking in Edinburgh afterwards to get the taste away, bagged off with someone, post coital puke in their lav, diarrhoea on the first train back to Glasgow, poop turned white for a couple of days. The 80s were great.
lol. Great story!
This is an immortal line btw
"her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it"
The BBC's over-U.S. focus gets ever more egregious
Three out of four of tonight's headline TV news were essentially U.S. news, or U.S domestic news. Bad weather in the U.K, bad weather about to be a problem in the U.S. Musk's views on Trump, and live from the Golden Globes, from Hollywood tonight. No wonder Musk thinks he has an automatic right to interfere here
So what other big news did they not cover?
Also bad weather in Germany ; developments in South Korea ; Israel-Hamas ; Protests by farmers in France re-starting.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
This is infinitely vaster, longer, greater, horribler than the Pelicot case, or indeed anything in the USA in terms of sex crime and state cover-up. But if that gets you through your Lib Dem multikulti day, do carry on
I've come to the conclusion that whatever ideology people claim to believe in, some people are so far up their party political arses they can't see the wood for the trees. I onced got involved in a political campaign and quickly realised that the need to continually chant the mantra wasn't for me.
Just read an extraordinary piece by former Tory MP for Telford Lucy Allan. I don't know anything of her but it fits with so much of what I've heard about this story down the years. For those who think I have an agenda against Muslims I will say this. There are many men who if allowed to will commit sexual abuse. I'm kind of cynical in this respect. But what outrages me is how so much of the British state seems to have engaged in a deliberate attempt to betray it's own citizens right to justice when they have been the victims of the most appalling crimes.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
The BBC's over-U.S. focus gets ever more egregious
Three out of four of tonight's headline TV news were essentially U.S. news, or U.S domestic news. Bad weather in the U.K, bad weather about to be a problem in the U.S. Musk's views on Trump, and live from the Golden Globes, from Hollywood tonight. No wonder Musk thinks he has an automatic right to interfere here
So what other big news did they not cover?
Also bad weather in Germany ; developments in South Korea ; Israel-Hamas ; Protests by farmers in France re-starting.
Ukraine's new Kursk offensive; Austrian government collapse; Indian journalist found dead in septic tank; political unrest in Mozambique
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
My uncle once had a seafood starter that was so off that he collapsed in minutes, and an ambulance was called because everyone assumed he'd had a heart attack. The place was closed done a few months later when it was discovered they'd been storing all their food in an unrefrigerated shed.
Keep them coming! It takes something to relegate abscess noshing to runner up.
A friend of mine at University once used the sink for vomiting and the toilet for diarrhoea at the same time. Such are small bathrooms.
We’ve all done that at least once!
Haven’t we?
Before or after pissing on the floor?
My worst episode of that coincided with the need to get an Edinburgh Science Festival talk written up for a newspaper feature for a deadline first thing the next day. Triangular orbit between WC, sink and keyboard.
What was so annoying was that the resulting piece was so good that an old uni colleague who had become a science journalist (and a well-known name to many on here, and not an obvious one either) was so impressed that he recommended I enter it for a major science journalism prize. Unfortinately it was under my name and that of my colleague so it didn't qualify - but I've often thought it was a fine example of focussing on the basics and not worrying about the footling details (so long as it was correct, of course).
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
This is infinitely vaster, longer, greater, horribler than the Pelicot case, or indeed anything in the USA in terms of sex crime and state cover-up. But if that gets you through your Lib Dem multikulti day, do carry on
The Pelicot case is different, to be fair. Smaller, but more disturbing for ordinary French people. Because they see the perpetrators as being just like them. The grooming gangs story can be - and is being, now - painted as something done by “them”, not us. And the institutional failing are also “them” - the bureaucrats and police.
The very mundanity of the rapists of Pelicot, and the innocence of the police and other institutions, is what makes it so troubling.
The BBC's over-U.S. focus gets ever more egregious
Three out of four of tonight's headline TV news were essentially U.S. news, or U.S domestic news. Bad weather in the U.K, bad weather about to be a problem in the U.S. Musk's views on Trump, and live from the Golden Globes, from Hollywood tonight. No wonder Musk thinks he has an automatic right to interfere here
So what other big news did they not cover?
Also bad weather in Germany ; developments in South Korea ; Israel-Hamas ; Protests by farmers in France re-starting.
Ukraine's new Kursk offensive; Austrian government collapse; Indian journalist found dead in septic tank; political unrest in Mozambique
The Austrian Government one is interesting. The aim is to find a Government that isn’t the Russia leaning FPO which is proving impossible. Meanwhile the FPO are gaining in the polls so a second election doesn’t look like a good idea.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
There is already evidence in Holland, and elsewhere. In the Netherlands it is called "loverboy" syndrome
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
This is infinitely vaster, longer, greater, horribler than the Pelicot case, or indeed anything in the USA in terms of sex crime and state cover-up. But if that gets you through your Lib Dem multikulti day, do carry on
The Pelicot case is different, to be fair. Smaller, but more disturbing for ordinary French people. Because they see the perpetrators as being just like them. The grooming gangs story can be - and is being, now - painted as something done by “them”, not us. And the institutional failing are also “them” - the bureaucrats and police.
The very mundanity of the rapists of Pelicot, and the innocence of the police and other institutions, is what makes it so troubling.
Pelicot is disturbing for the same reason as Rotheram: the sheer percentage of men involved, and the zero whistleblowers. Not one of the Pelicot men turned up, saw an unconscious, real, in-the-flesh woman and thought "What the fuck did I agree to?". Obviously hard to go to the police when you've already agreed to it, but still: not one out of 70?
(At the risk of being extraordinarly gross: how did she not end up with every STD?)
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
This is infinitely vaster, longer, greater, horribler than the Pelicot case, or indeed anything in the USA in terms of sex crime and state cover-up. But if that gets you through your Lib Dem multikulti day, do carry on
The Pelicot case is different, to be fair. Smaller, but more disturbing for ordinary French people. Because they see the perpetrators as being just like them. The grooming gangs story can be - and is being, now - painted as something done by “them”, not us. And the institutional failing are also “them” - the bureaucrats and police.
The very mundanity of the rapists of Pelicot, and the innocence of the police and other institutions, is what makes it so troubling.
The Pelicot case is horrific in the same way as Fred West is horrific. It illuminates a disgusting, depraved little corner of Fench life, as Fred and Rose did in the UK
The Muslim gang rapes thing is in an entirely different league. It was hundreds of thousands, over decades, and right across the country. How can you not see this?!
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
Not a restaurant, but my grandmother, a fine Hebridean woman and a good cook, was a bit hard nosed about food storage (she’d laughingly describe her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it). Gran tended to store cooked foods in the larder rather than the fridge, and more than once I doggedly munched on food I knew was on the edge of safety. The worst occasion was cooked chicken that I knew was off but persisted with. Foolishly went drinking in Edinburgh afterwards to get the taste away, bagged off with someone, post coital puke in their lav, diarrhoea on the first train back to Glasgow, poop turned white for a couple of days. The 80s were great.
Is this the famous missing chapter from Train Spotting?
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Very good move by Nige to separate himself from Elon Musk yesterday surrounding Tommy Robinson. Nige remains the country's most astute politician by a country mile. What Reform may lose on the very far right to the EDL they will gain 10x on the left and right.
I was talking to an American about all of this controversy at lunch today and he put it in perspective for me as to why it's blowing up in the US and why Tommy Robinson is seen as a "freedom fighter" rather than a far right nut. He says that Americans haven't previously heard of the rape gang scandal/coverup, they aren't as jaded with the British establishment as we are so their anger around the thought of 250,000 girls being raped over two decades with no action taken by the authorities under the guise of not wanting to be seen as racist has captured everyone's attention. Not just on the right wing but among liberals like him too, who see similar policies in liberal cities and now think twice about having the concept of "protected people/culture" or having any single culture above criticism as Muslim culture has become in the UK. He said they only see whatever Robinson and his supporters put on YT about the rape gangs over the past 10 years and suddenly everything he's been saying seems prophetic and his imprisonment looks like the state attempting to silence him over these videos.
He suggested that it simply doesn't compute to any American that the systematic rape of young girls by a group of people can be overlooked by law enforcement. He pointed out that the catholic church in the US has had it's reckoning and one of the reasons why it carried on for so long was that the church made a lot of effort to hide and cover everything up internally so there was no chance of external investigations by police or the FBI. What he said that has made the US public so confused is that the authorities looked the other way after being told by numerous people that this was happening at a huge scale in northern cities.
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What has surprised me is the outrage and repulsion in the LIBERAL Anglosphere. Australia, Canada, America, and beyond. All saying "Britain has lost all right to lecture anyone on human rights, rape culture, misogyny, racism"
Basically, we are humiliated. Our only choice is to face up to it. I hope Starmer sees this, with his speech
We still 'punched above our weight' in international legal institutions, so this kind of scandal cuts at the heart of our soft power. Something is rotten in the state of Britain.
Yes, exactly. Liberal human rights lawyers - including Keir Starmer, of course- love to believe this. Britain is an exemplar. That's PRECISELY why they've tried to do the insane Diego Garcia deal, to make them feel good, personally, and to gain some illusory soft power of moral superiority. It was already delusional and pathetic, but now?
Now we look like some grotesque version of a dystopian Somalia, with 100,000-1,000,000 raped underage kids, and an entire Liberal elite class that ignored it, or actually enabled it, and then covered it up, and over decades. In my opinion, it is the worst scandal to hit any western nation in the post war era. It was always lurking, now Musk has made sure the iceberg has met the Titanic
Can you imagine any British politician daring to lecture anyone else, around the world, after this?
You really are naively ignorant about all this Sean....you are a mouthpiece for this kind of racism....
White kids. mostly those in the care system, have been appallingly left to the wolves for decades, and exploited by white men....it seems to be only the Asian connection now that stokes your vile hatred....
Another question would be why are there so few Asian, teenage girls in the care system that suffer this same kind of abuse?....we talk about a lot about honour stuff in relation to Asian girls, but their kids are not left languishing unprotected in the care system...
Wow 'Another question would be why are there so few Asian, teenage girls in the care system that suffer this same kind of abuse?....we talk about a lot about honour stuff in relation to Asian girls, but their kids are not left languishing unprotected in the care system...'
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
There is already evidence in Holland, and elsewhere. In the Netherlands it is called "loverboy" syndrome
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
I obviously agree that this is our national shame and it needs to be dealt with, I've said as much. Though after thinking about prevailing attitudes across parts of Europe being relatively similar to ours and the proliferation of Muslim migrants from Afghanistan and Pakistan, especially after the Merkel "all are welcome" stupidity I'd be very surprised if people looked hard enough they'd find similar gangs operating in Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and France at least.
The BBC's over-U.S. focus gets ever more egregious
Three out of four of tonight's headline TV news were essentially U.S. news, or U.S domestic news. Bad weather in the U.K, bad weather about to be a problem in the U.S. Musk's views on Trump, and live from the Golden Globes, from Hollywood tonight. No wonder Musk thinks he has an automatic right to interfere here
So what other big news did they not cover?
Also bad weather in Germany ; developments in South Korea ; Israel-Hamas ; Protests by farmers in France re-starting.
Nothing there that is going to knock the Golden Globes off their slot.
bondegezou: "Ukraine's new Kursk offensive; Austrian government collapse; Indian journalist found dead in septic tank; political unrest in Mozambique"
Ditto. The Kursk offensive might prove to be newsworthy, but for now alll we have are Russian social media reports. The Ukrainians are being VERY tight-lipped.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
There is already evidence in Holland, and elsewhere. In the Netherlands it is called "loverboy" syndrome
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
I obviously agree that this is our national shame and it needs to be dealt with, I've said as much. Though after thinking about prevailing attitudes across parts of Europe being relatively similar to ours and the proliferation of Muslim migrants from Afghanistan and Pakistan, especially after the Merkel "all are welcome" stupidity I'd be very surprised if people looked hard enough they'd find similar gangs operating in Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and France at least.
Oh, I am sure it happens. I am also sure we have the worst example of this particular presentation
It's like every European country has a different flavour. In Britain is it gang rape. In Sweden it is bombs and guns. In Germany it is cars and Christmas markets. In France is it beheaded teachers and burned churches. And so on
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
At the university canteen in Dar Es Salaam I chomped into a chicken thigh and felt a pop, then a squirt. A large pus-filled abscess hidden next to the thigh bone had exploded in my mouth. A day later I succumbed to fever and diarrhoea which stayed with me for a week.
So, if I am ever in Dar Es Salaam University canteen, don't choose the chicken. Every day a learning day on PB.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
There is already evidence in Holland, and elsewhere. In the Netherlands it is called "loverboy" syndrome
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
I obviously agree that this is our national shame and it needs to be dealt with, I've said as much. Though after thinking about prevailing attitudes across parts of Europe being relatively similar to ours and the proliferation of Muslim migrants from Afghanistan and Pakistan, especially after the Merkel "all are welcome" stupidity I'd be very surprised if people looked hard enough they'd find similar gangs operating in Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and France at least.
Our grooming gangs look to have been established years, often decades before Merkel. We have had south Asian migration on a significant scale. Not exclusively the problem, but a large population pool for a few bad apples to hide amongst - and then proliferate when it looked to be a no risk activity.
I do wonder whether there might have been some element of police/MI5 informers who were untouchable because of intel they passed on regarding Muslim terrorism. If there were few ways of accessing closed societies, then it might have been an easy blind eye to turn in return for solid information that got us on the inside.
Over 50 years ago a friend worked in a boys' 'care home' during the university vacation. It had previously been an approved school, and the name change had done nothing to alter its culture. His chilling description of the inmates haunts me still: "They're only interested in cigarettes and buggery," were his exact words.
It was a highly sexualised milieu involving adolescent boys and predatory men from the nearby town and it was self-sustaining like a chain reaction. Each new tranche of residents were initiated by older boys against an implicit threat of bullying and violence if they resisted. The adult predators took full advantage without needing to manage anything - the boys did the dirty work for them ... for cigarettes.
After the dam burst there was a public enquiry and 'lessons were learnt' as usual. Hopefully it doesn't happen like this any more, but how could anyone be certain? We shouldn't underestimate the difficulty breaking up a culture of exploitation within a closed community when the victims don't fully understand their victimhood. This is certainly not to excuse the grooming gangs, who deserve the punishment they get, but their crimes reflected a much older social evil that was well-entrenched in the 'host' community.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
So is Musk planning to stand for election in 2029 in Clacton ?
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
There is already evidence in Holland, and elsewhere. In the Netherlands it is called "loverboy" syndrome
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
I obviously agree that this is our national shame and it needs to be dealt with, I've said as much. Though after thinking about prevailing attitudes across parts of Europe being relatively similar to ours and the proliferation of Muslim migrants from Afghanistan and Pakistan, especially after the Merkel "all are welcome" stupidity I'd be very surprised if people looked hard enough they'd find similar gangs operating in Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and France at least.
Oh, I am sure it happens. I am also sure we have the worst example of this particular presentation
It's like every European country has a different flavour. In Britain is it gang rape. In Sweden it is bombs and guns. In Germany it is cars and Christmas markets. In France is it beheaded teachers and burned churches. And so on
A further point is in muslim areas muslims are starting to take control of local councils which leads to all sorts of other issues.
It is not just sex. The ingredients are the same here: gangs exploiting children.
Indeed. Heroin was central to the Glasgow gang rape case. Drugs are a huge part of the sexual abuse problem too.
Yes in most rape gang cases (including these ones) the girls being plied with drugs and alcohol to the point of addiction is a very common theme.
If this is the trial I am thinking of there were originally 11 accused and the charges included charges of witchcraft (which were dropped before the case got to the jury). I asked one of the defence counsel how it was going and he said that they had just had evidence of a boy being turned into a dog from one of the witnesses. They appear to have pretended to their victims that they had magical powers that could control them. Even by Glasgow standards it was weird. As bad as Hamilton.
Commentary over recent days has sadly convinced me that it is the right time for me to move on from here. I send everyone my best wishes.
Good luck. The uk is sadly becoming increasingly polarised. We have a toxic combination of declining living standards and mass immigration with social media putting rocket boosters under this.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
So is Musk planning to stand for election in 2029 in Clacton ?
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
It is incredible how they just don't get How this looks. Imagine if we discovered in one weekend all this about Spain, or Canada, or Australia, that they essentially allowed 500,000 white girls to be raped and tortured by racist Muslim rape gangs, over decades, on the basis that properly investigating it would "harm community relations". And that many politicians, cops, councillors, journalists, actively conspired to cover it all up
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
What's scary is that I think my American friend is right and we'll eventually find evidence of these rape gangs operating across lots of European cities, it won't just be the UK.
There is already evidence in Holland, and elsewhere. In the Netherlands it is called "loverboy" syndrome
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
I obviously agree that this is our national shame and it needs to be dealt with, I've said as much. Though after thinking about prevailing attitudes across parts of Europe being relatively similar to ours and the proliferation of Muslim migrants from Afghanistan and Pakistan, especially after the Merkel "all are welcome" stupidity I'd be very surprised if people looked hard enough they'd find similar gangs operating in Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and France at least.
Our grooming gangs look to have been established years, often decades before Merkel. We have had south Asian migration on a significant scale. Not exclusively the problem, but a large population pool for a few bad apples to hide amongst - and then proliferate when it looked to be a no risk activity.
I do wonder whether there might have been some element of police/MI5 informers who were untouchable because of intel they passed on regarding Muslim terrorism. If there were few ways of accessing closed societies, then it might have been an easy blind eye to turn in return for solid information that got us on the inside.
It's obviously a significant problem in this country and for a very long time. Though I think that it will also be a problem in France too which has a long history of migration from Muslim countries too, for the others it will be more recent but I'd be surprised if there aren't rape gangs of similar types operating in all of those countries. Simply they all have the same defensive attitudes about multikulti as we did/do. Look at how Germany media and authorities minimised the Cologne new years migrant sexual abuse scandal just after the first wave of Muslim migrants arrived. That's the kind of attitudes that allow these kinds of gangs proliferate.
On the intelligence point, I had a similar thought, yet these gangs commenced in the 80s and 90s when the threat of Islamic terrorism was very low and the clampdown started in the 00s and 10s when the threat was very high so I don't think it tracks. Also, I don't think there would be a need for intelligence "greater good" and the balance of good would not be in favour of allowing this to continue, simply there would have been an intelligence whistle blower very quickly because the scale of abuse was off the charts.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
So is Musk planning to stand for election in 2029 in Clacton ?
I suspect he might not be eligible.
On what grounds?
As someone pointed out on Twitter, Musk could be Prime minister of the UK (from the Lords) and Prime minister of Canada (from the Senate) at the same time.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
So is Musk planning to stand for election in 2029 in Clacton ?
Commentary over recent days has sadly convinced me that it is the right time for me to move on from here. I send everyone my best wishes.
Good luck. The uk is sadly becoming increasingly polarised. We have a toxic combination of declining living standards and mass immigration with social media putting rocket boosters under this.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
So is Musk planning to stand for election in 2029 in Clacton ?
I suspect he might not be eligible.
Ex-President of Peru, Fujimori, while under investigation, opened a drawer in his home office.
And discovered a Japanese passport in his name, that he'd never applied for.
So he did what anyone would do, when discovering a passport you hand't applied for. He booked a one way flight (first class) to Japan.
There is a genre of Peruvian jokes about people buying Mr Fujimori's desk and what they find in the drawers.
I saw a video from Benidorm and it seems Robinson has mass support amongst the uk working class. Obviously this isnt enough to win an election but with some drift from the middle classes its possible.
I saw a video from Benidorm and it seems Robinson has mass support amongst the uk working class. Obviously this isnt enough to win an election but with some drift from the middle classes its possible.
Certainly an interesting way of Putin it, I would agree.
Got to admit, it would be an incredible achievement if either Tate or Tommy managed to beat Count Binface in the Holborn and St Pancras constituency in 2029.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
Got to admit, it would be an incredible achievement if either Tate or Tommy managed to beat Count Binface in the Holborn and St Pancras constituency in 2029.
Well strange things can happen. Some bad actors in this world with malign intent. They may put their thumbs on the scales.
Wow. If this goes on it will destroy Nigel. Even with his charisma and nous, I just can't see how he can survive someone like Elon using X as weapon against him.
Why? Musk can bring attention to an issue that the establishment wants to avoid but I'm not sure he'll change many peoples' minds.
Elon is portraying himself as the true voice of British patriotism while slamming Nigel as a weak and impotent quisling. Fair or not much of that will stick. The situation is now that you can support Elon or Nigel; you can't support both. And I strongly suspect the voters both men need will now break for Elon.
So is Musk planning to stand for election in 2029 in Clacton ?
I suspect he might not be eligible.
On what grounds?
As someone pointed out on Twitter, Musk could be Prime minister of the UK (from the Lords) and Prime minister of Canada (from the Senate) at the same time.
He just shat on the only party leader remotely likely to put in him the Lords.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
Crickey, that sounds a lot more rational than any of the tat that the parties put up in 2024. I might vote for that myself, albeit not this month, of course.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
Crickey, that sounds a lot more rational than any of the tat that the parties put up in 2024. I might vote for that myself, albeit not this month, of course.
I advocate a return to Georgian style elections.
Two weeks for voting, public holiday every single day, and a complete ban on all political advertising. Apart from bribing the electorate with gin.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
I'm sure you do. The job doesn't do itself, and there are the Mail, Sun abd Mirror talk boards to post on, too. You need to knock off for the weekend.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
I am british working class.....yeah we dont like tate mostly
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
Benidorm central having fallen to the Gaza independents in July.
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
I am british working class.....yeah we dont like tate mostly
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
In your next incarnation are you planning on coming as May, or Clarkson?
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
In your next incarnation are you planning on coming as May, or Clarkson?
Surely russian trolls that fail get an office with a window
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
I am british working class.....yeah we dont like tate mostly
Is it just me or are the latest trolls really incompetent.
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
Is Benidorm South not a marginal?
No, that’s Benidorm West. Benidorm South has been a Lib Dem stronghold, ever since the 1923 by-election, when Sir John Sidney Snoringham won it for the Liberals, on a unique platform of Free Trade and Free Gin.
On a serious note unlike most of you i mix with the british working class and let me tell you there is a seething anger amongst them such as you have never seen.
I am british working class.....yeah we dont like tate mostly
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Not saying you're wrong, but where does this 250,000 children figure come from? It sounds implausible to me.
250,000 acts of abuse with many children abused many times to get to that figure seems more plausible.
Ann Cryer who did a lot of legwork on this estimated that 250k children were abused by these rape gangs over a 20-30 year period as a low estimate. Over that timeframe it seems plausible when you consider the national scale of the problem.
If is worth remembering that if you believe those numbers, then you are saying sending like 5% of young women of a certain age were abused by the gangs.
I struggle to believe that.
It's also worth remembering that the majority of kids who were abused were in the care system (where sexual abuse is still rife today), which again makes it hard to get to those kinds of total numbers.
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
This is infinitely vaster, longer, greater, horribler than the Pelicot case, or indeed anything in the USA in terms of sex crime and state cover-up. But if that gets you through your Lib Dem multikulti day, do carry on
The Pelicot case is different, to be fair. Smaller, but more disturbing for ordinary French people. Because they see the perpetrators as being just like them. The grooming gangs story can be - and is being, now - painted as something done by “them”, not us. And the institutional failing are also “them” - the bureaucrats and police.
The very mundanity of the rapists of Pelicot, and the innocence of the police and other institutions, is what makes it so troubling.
Pelicot is disturbing for the same reason as Rotheram: the sheer percentage of men involved, and the zero whistleblowers. Not one of the Pelicot men turned up, saw an unconscious, real, in-the-flesh woman and thought "What the fuck did I agree to?". Obviously hard to go to the police when you've already agreed to it, but still: not one out of 70?
(At the risk of being extraordinarly gross: how did she not end up with every STD?)
She did: after the abuse was discovered Wikipedia says she was found to be infected with four different STDs. Somehow she managed to avoid being infected with HIV.
Some initial reporting online claimed that the men who raped her were all from the town the couple lived in & based on this claimed that very high percentage of local men were responsible. As far as I can tell this was based on a misunderstanding of the French reporting by the English language media - the French reporting said that the men were drawn from across the local region, not the local town.
Surreal on here tonight. I've just seen Hammond sent back to the pavilion (a cricket joke). But, even more absurd than Hammond's innings, I've read a post that compared Tommy Robinson to Nelson Mandela.
To calm things down, I am watching an episode of Netflix's Chef's Table, with the Indian Chef Gaggan Anand, who created the "number 1 restaurant in Asia" - according to Restaurant Magazine's infamous top 50/100 etc
I know Gaggan, he's a dude and a laugh (loves a drink). His food CAN be genuinely amazing. I had no idea he was from such a poor background. Even more reason to admire him
However Ihave to say one night I went there in Bangkok and he did a special dinner - invented on the spot - for a bunch of us friends, hacks, flint knappers, and one dish was so disgusting and poisonous I crapped myself for days, got a thrombosed heammerhoid thereby, and spent ten weeks in crippling agony, with dogs leaping up at my bleeding arse, to add to the humuliation
Is that the worst restaurant experience of any PB-er? Can anyone outdo that?
Not a restaurant, but my grandmother, a fine Hebridean woman and a good cook, was a bit hard nosed about food storage (she’d laughingly describe her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it). Gran tended to store cooked foods in the larder rather than the fridge, and more than once I doggedly munched on food I knew was on the edge of safety. The worst occasion was cooked chicken that I knew was off but persisted with. Foolishly went drinking in Edinburgh afterwards to get the taste away, bagged off with someone, post coital puke in their lav, diarrhoea on the first train back to Glasgow, poop turned white for a couple of days. The 80s were great.
My childhood piano teacher had no fridge. He used to keep supermarket yoghurts in the larder, and reckoned they tasted best between two weeks and a month.
It's quite possible to live without a fridge. Penetration in the UK is surprisingly recent. In my family I think parents had their fridge from the start - 1960s, and one set of grandparents had a round cornered 1930s or 1950s (?) style fridge. The other side (who were turn of the century born had a pantry and no fridge up until I think the 1970s. They had a small holding and dad used to do milk rounds with a horse and cart in the 1940s / 1950s.
UK households with fridges:
1948: Only 2% of UK households owned a fridge. 1959: Around 13% of homes had a fridge. 1960s: Refrigerators became more affordable and popular, and their use changed the way people prepared and stored food. 1970: 58% of UK households owned a fridge. Today: 97% of UK homes have a fridge.
My little cottage had a traditional larder - N side of the house, down 3 steps, and about 8ft by 4ft. It was filled in during renovation in about 1983.
Now quite a few self-builders put in pantries on the N-side outside the insulated envelope. I have a corridor suitable for adding a cool-cupboard in due course.
There are plenty of non-electric ideas around evaporative in insulative cooling.
When did PBers get the first fridge in your houses?
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Not saying you're wrong, but where does this 250,000 children figure come from? It sounds implausible to me.
250,000 acts of abuse with many children abused many times to get to that figure seems more plausible.
Ann Cryer who did a lot of legwork on this estimated that 250k children were abused by these rape gangs over a 20-30 year period as a low estimate. Over that timeframe it seems plausible when you consider the national scale of the problem.
If is worth remembering that if you believe those numbers, then you are saying sending like 5% of young women of a certain age were abused by the gangs.
I struggle to believe that.
It's also worth remembering that the majority of kids who were abused were in the care system (where sexual abuse is still rife today), which again makes it hard to get to those kinds of total numbers.
It's over at least 50 years. The first cases of Pakistani gang grooming date back that far. In this light, it is very very easy to reach hundreds of thousands
Also, the abuse was at extremely high level within communities
"𝗧𝗘𝗟𝗙𝗢𝗥𝗗
The Telford inquiry reveals that during Operation Chalice, approximately 1 in 8 adult Muslim men in Telford were identified as suspects, and 1 in 11 were arrested."
The US with their daily mass shootings can fuck right off.
No, we should feel shame that the gross outrage has been tolerated here.
Is everyone on this island such a bloody cuck that news only becomes news if it, quote, “gains traction” among Americans? Can we not pull our heads out of their arses for one second?
One problem that for all their other faults the French don’t suffer. It’s like Blair and Bush all over again.
Do you not feel any shame, that this happened in our country? None at all?
I think most of us felt shame about this, as well as the wider me too revelations, a few years ago. As are the French now about their own shameful multiple rape story. But Americans suddenly discovering it now, to indulge a South African loon’s own hypocritical instincts? That can fuck off.
There's plenty of this exact kind of horrific shit going on in the US.
Yeah Elon's so worried about sexual abuse that he's best pals with Trump. I don't know what has really started all this off but I doubt that Elon's concern is sincere.
I think it is sincere. Again you're looking at this from a party political, jaded British perspective. Tell someone who has never heard of this scandal that over a period of 20-30 years between 250,000 and 500,000 children were raped in the UK by Muslim men and those rapes were covered up and the victims silenced by the British police and government authorities and they'd be pretty fucking angry about it, then tell them that those people who covered it up got away with it and many are still in those positions of power and they'll be apoplectic with rage.
Look at the case from the outside in and think about just how fucked up it all was. I have no doubt that Elon Musk is sincere in his concern, I don't think he's got a very good handle on who can bring change on this and how to go about forcing through change on this subject and making an unwilling establishment which doesn't want the finger pointed at it's own culture as the point of failure. The amount of institutional resistance to this is absolutely massive.
Not saying you're wrong, but where does this 250,000 children figure come from? It sounds implausible to me.
250,000 acts of abuse with many children abused many times to get to that figure seems more plausible.
Ann Cryer who did a lot of legwork on this estimated that 250k children were abused by these rape gangs over a 20-30 year period as a low estimate. Over that timeframe it seems plausible when you consider the national scale of the problem.
If is worth remembering that if you believe those numbers, then you are saying sending like 5% of young women of a certain age were abused by the gangs.
I struggle to believe that.
It's also worth remembering that the majority of kids who were abused were in the care system (where sexual abuse is still rife today), which again makes it hard to get to those kinds of total numbers.
In 2022 there were 107k children being "looked after" in the care system in England and Wales (a record). A generation of kids in these facilities is probably 5-10 years maximum and maybe less so the number of kids in care over 30 years might amount to 400k, probably less, in the whole country. Some of the victims were of course not in care but I agree that some of the numbers being thrown around are far too high. Of course any number of children being abused like that is too high.
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The 80s were great.
250,000 acts of abuse with many children abused many times to get to that figure seems more plausible.
The numbers involved are horrific, with the Jay inquiry estimating 1400 children abused and maybe more in Rotherham, but there were not 100+ Rotherhams.
In my experience there really was no cover up...the police were just not interested (and didn't have the time) in hearing about 16 year old kids in care taking drugs and not returning to placements...and they are as hopeless now in dealing with it as they were then....
I honestly try to avoid this kind of discussion because it is too close to home, but the level of ignorance is astonishing...
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876025855740359040
We would gaze at them with appalled despair and profound contempt. Yet, because it is us, it is mystifying to them why there is worldwide outrage. This is a profound failure of Theory of Mind
This is an immortal line btw
"her own mother pinging maggots off a piece of mutton before serving it"
Exclusive: Warning of ‘safeguarding pandemic’ as gangs use increasingly sophisticated methods to groom children
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/teenage-girls-botox-county-lines-gangs-b2669159.html
It is not just sex. The ingredients are the same here: gangs exploiting children.
Just read an extraordinary piece by former Tory MP for Telford Lucy Allan. I don't know anything of her but it fits with so much of what I've heard about this story down the years. For those who think I have an agenda against Muslims I will say this. There are many men who if allowed to will commit sexual abuse. I'm kind of cynical in this respect. But what outrages me is how so much of the British state seems to have engaged in a deliberate attempt to betray it's own citizens right to justice when they have been the victims of the most appalling crimes.
What was so annoying was that the resulting piece was so good that an old uni colleague who had become a science journalist (and a well-known name to many on here, and not an obvious one either) was so impressed that he recommended I enter it for a major science journalism prize. Unfortinately it was under my name and that of my colleague so it didn't qualify - but I've often thought it was a fine example of focussing on the basics and not worrying about the footling details (so long as it was correct, of course).
The very mundanity of the rapists of Pelicot, and the innocence of the police and other institutions, is what makes it so troubling.
This is actually a subject on which I know a lot, having beem writing about it for 12 years at least. I genuinely wish - in a perverse, selfish way - that I could say Britain is just one of many countries suffering this. But I do not believe this is true. I believe we in the UK are uniquely bad, possibly by an order of magnitude
I will be "happy" (can't think of a better word) if I am proven wrong
It's some weird mix of British familial breakdown, class snobbery, a certain type of unwanted and predatory migrant, police paralysis (thanks to Macpherson) and urban decay in the north (which then spread)
It's fucking grim and it is fucking depressing and still we have a certain type of left liberal, here and elsewhere, denying it even happened. God help us. This is OUR shame and we must address it
But there's still pride.
(At the risk of being extraordinarly gross: how did she not end up with every STD?)
The Muslim gang rapes thing is in an entirely different league. It was hundreds of thousands, over decades, and right across the country. How can you not see this?!
Perhaps you could explain this?
bondegezou: "Ukraine's new Kursk offensive; Austrian government collapse; Indian journalist found dead in septic tank; political unrest in Mozambique"
Ditto. The Kursk offensive might prove to be newsworthy, but for now alll we have are Russian social media reports. The Ukrainians are being VERY tight-lipped.
Bastards. 😡
Sentence two.
Farage: "I never sell out my principles."
Sorry - lol. If someone needs different principles, perhaps he has some somewhere.
It's like every European country has a different flavour. In Britain is it gang rape. In Sweden it is bombs and guns. In Germany it is cars and Christmas markets. In France is it beheaded teachers and burned churches. And so on
https://x.com/GSGB01/status/1875979454134321281
I do wonder whether there might have been some element of police/MI5 informers who were untouchable because of intel they passed on regarding Muslim terrorism. If there were few ways of accessing closed societies, then it might have been an easy blind eye to turn in return for solid information that got us on the inside.
It was a highly sexualised milieu involving adolescent boys and predatory men from the nearby town and it was self-sustaining like a chain reaction. Each new tranche of residents were initiated by older boys against an implicit threat of bullying and violence if they resisted. The adult predators took full advantage without needing to manage anything - the boys did the dirty work for them ... for cigarettes.
After the dam burst there was a public enquiry and 'lessons were learnt' as usual. Hopefully it doesn't happen like this any more, but how could anyone be certain? We shouldn't underestimate the difficulty breaking up a culture of exploitation within a closed community when the victims don't fully understand their victimhood. This is certainly not to excuse the grooming gangs, who deserve the punishment they get, but their crimes reflected a much older social evil that was well-entrenched in the 'host' community.
I suspect he might not be eligible.
On a perhaps more serious point ignoring, how much support for Tommy Robinson IS there in Reform and Conservative Right type circles?
Which figures have shared a platform with Robinson? I've noticed a couple but I have not been keeping a list.
If a plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic of China border, which side do you bury the survivors?
On the intelligence point, I had a similar thought, yet these gangs commenced in the 80s and 90s when the threat of Islamic terrorism was very low and the clampdown started in the 00s and 10s when the threat was very high so I don't think it tracks. Also, I don't think there would be a need for intelligence "greater good" and the balance of good would not be in favour of allowing this to continue, simply there would have been an intelligence whistle blower very quickly because the scale of abuse was off the charts.
And discovered a Japanese passport in his name, that he'd never applied for.
So he did what anyone would do, when discovering a passport you hand't applied for. He booked a one way flight (first class) to Japan.
There is a genre of Peruvian jokes about people buying Mr Fujimori's desk and what they find in the drawers.
Andrew Tate announces plans to run for Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the next general election.
https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1876028298209440025
I mean who cares what people in Benidorm think about Tommy Robinson
On account of TSE's unwrapping some new loafers.
Andrew Tate, Hammond or whoever has that twatter account ?
Two weeks for voting, public holiday every single day, and a complete ban on all political advertising. Apart from bribing the electorate with gin.
Turnout will be amazing.
Not even double digits....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_England_(European_Parliament_constituency)
I'm not sure he or Tate would do much better come the general.
I struggle to believe that.
It's also worth remembering that the majority of kids who were abused were in the care system (where sexual abuse is still rife today), which again makes it hard to get to those kinds of total numbers.
Some initial reporting online claimed that the men who raped her were all from the town the couple lived in & based on this claimed that very high percentage of local men were responsible. As far as I can tell this was based on a misunderstanding of the French reporting by the English language media - the French reporting said that the men were drawn from across the local region, not the local town.
But, even more absurd than Hammond's innings, I've read a post that compared Tommy Robinson to Nelson Mandela.
UK households with fridges:
1948: Only 2% of UK households owned a fridge.
1959: Around 13% of homes had a fridge.
1960s: Refrigerators became more affordable and popular, and their use changed the way people prepared and stored food.
1970: 58% of UK households owned a fridge.
Today: 97% of UK homes have a fridge.
My little cottage had a traditional larder - N side of the house, down 3 steps, and about 8ft by 4ft. It was filled in during renovation in about 1983.
Now quite a few self-builders put in pantries on the N-side outside the insulated envelope. I have a corridor suitable for adding a cool-cupboard in due course.
There are plenty of non-electric ideas around evaporative in insulative cooling.
When did PBers get the first fridge in your houses?
Also, the abuse was at extremely high level within communities
"𝗧𝗘𝗟𝗙𝗢𝗥𝗗
The Telford inquiry reveals that during Operation Chalice, approximately 1 in 8 adult Muslim men in Telford were identified as suspects, and 1 in 11 were arrested."
https://x.com/CompositeGuy_/status/1875946399642317205
https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/research-resources/statistics-briefings/looked-after-children