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Farewell to the year with two massive elections – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,232
edited January 1 in General
imageFarewell to the year with two massive elections – politicalbetting.com

From a political betting perspective 2024 was an epic year, a UK general election, a US presidential election with the incumbent quitting the race in July, a Tory leadership contest, a French legislative election, and the betting on the date of the UK general election which has gotten some people in real trouble.

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  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,838
    Joining the EU would help.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    Dura_Ace said:

    Joining the EU would help.

    I'm intrigued. How would that create more betting opportunities?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    2024 is a tough act to follow. We've had the party, now we have the hangover..
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,583
    Starmer promises to fight to make Britain better. Presumably this will be against his own government.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,207
    edited January 1
    Foxy said:

    2024 is a tough act to follow. We've had the party, now we have the hangover..

    My EuroMillions win is surely a promising portent…?

    Anyhow, today is going to be busy dealing with all the HNY emails from every online retailer I have ever used...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,019
    Evening all from the end of the first day of 2025 :)

    2024 saw the continuation of the weakness of incumbent Governments in many parts of the world ending with the opposition winning in Ghana at the beginning of December.

    I suspect 2025 will continue to be tough for incumbents and those sweeping into office on tides of public acclaim or apathy will quickly realize just how easy opposition is in comparison to Government.

    No one anywhere, it seems, whatever their political stance or policy, has any answer to the prevailing economic malaise. Some blame “immigration” and scapegoat sections of society, others look to reduce Government but neither looks effective.

    No one seems able to produce economic growth which works to the benefit of all rather than just making the very rich even richer and hoping somehow some form of trickle down will do the trick.

    I’m far from convinced mass deportations or tariffs will make anything better either. Perhaps technological evolution will in time produce the economic transformation which will recommence growth but in the short term frustrated and socially immobile populations are going to continue to be drawn to the siren voices of those who offer not answers but personal advancement for themselves and their cronies.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,838
    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,111
    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.

    I made a New Year's resolution back in 2002 and I have kept it with no trouble at all ever since.

    It was to stop making New Year's Resolutions.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,053
    A right wing talking head the other day called Sir Grinch's last Christmas in No. 10. I don’t think I see it now sadly, but I don't predict things getting much better for his Government.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,577
    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    And Taranto in the goldfish pond?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,053
    stodge said:

    Evening all from the end of the first day of 2025 :)

    2024 saw the continuation of the weakness of incumbent Governments in many parts of the world ending with the opposition winning in Ghana at the beginning of December.

    I suspect 2025 will continue to be tough for incumbents and those sweeping into office on tides of public acclaim or apathy will quickly realize just how easy opposition is in comparison to Government.

    No one anywhere, it seems, whatever their political stance or policy, has any answer to the prevailing economic malaise. Some blame “immigration” and scapegoat sections of society, others look to reduce Government but neither looks effective.

    No one seems able to produce economic growth which works to the benefit of all rather than just making the very rich even richer and hoping somehow some form of trickle down will do the trick.

    I’m far from convinced mass deportations or tariffs will make anything better either. Perhaps technological evolution will in time produce the economic transformation which will recommence growth but in the short term frustrated and socially immobile populations are going to continue to be drawn to the siren voices of those who offer not answers but personal advancement for themselves and their cronies.

    Millei seems to be doing pretty well.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,964
    ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Joining the EU would help.

    I'm intrigued. How would that create more betting opportunities?
    Happy new year.

    Simple: bets can then be made on the date of the next EU membership referendum, and its result.

    (Joining EFTA/EEA would help more than joining the EU).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,731
    edited January 1
    Did someone not get enough sleep? “Regretfully 2025 is going to be a fallow year for election betting as the only major bettable* elections are in Germany, Canada, Ireland, and Australia, the latter two use the alternative voting system.” Ireland had its main election this year, and they use STV, not AV. (There are complex, selective and largely indirect elections due to the Irish Seanad this year, but I doubt there are betting markets on those.)

    EDIT: Doh! Sorry, you mean the Presidential election in Ireland under AV! It is I who did not get enough sleep.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,053
    And Happy New Year all! Here's to every success and happiness for us all in 2025.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    edited January 1

    A right wing talking head the other day called Sir Grinch's last Christmas in No. 10. I don’t think I see it now sadly, but I don't predict things getting much better for his Government.

    They're not likely to get better for *any* government.

    One possible exception to that will be the government of either Russia or Ukraine, as it seems unlikely the war will last beyond this year. If Ukraine implodes, that will be to put it mildly suboptimal for Volodomyr Zelensky. If, on the other hand, the Russian economy tanks entirely and Putin has to withdraw from Ukraine this will damage his own government beyond repair.

    If, of course, the Orange Haired One decides to impose a silly peace on both so he can lie about his deal making abilities then that will be suboptimal for both, probably more so for Ukraine as at least what Putin has can be spun as a victory.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,964
    stodge said:

    Evening all from the end of the first day of 2025 :)

    2024 saw the continuation of the weakness of incumbent Governments in many parts of the world ending with the opposition winning in Ghana at the beginning of December.

    I suspect 2025 will continue to be tough for incumbents and those sweeping into office on tides of public acclaim or apathy will quickly realize just how easy opposition is in comparison to Government.

    No one anywhere, it seems, whatever their political stance or policy, has any answer to the prevailing economic malaise. Some blame “immigration” and scapegoat sections of society, others look to reduce Government but neither looks effective.

    No one seems able to produce economic growth which works to the benefit of all rather than just making the very rich even richer and hoping somehow some form of trickle down will do the trick.

    I’m far from convinced mass deportations or tariffs will make anything better either. Perhaps technological evolution will in time produce the economic transformation which will recommence growth but in the short term frustrated and socially immobile populations are going to continue to be drawn to the siren voices of those who offer not answers but personal advancement for themselves and their cronies.

    In the current national/global mood there are two strategies for parties. One is Reform's: National populism + social democracy (uncosted) + give us a try, all else has failed.

    The other is: UK is amazing; currently our cup is half full and this is how and why, and we can get it fuller, we have big ideas we are explaining to you for incremental improvement. Stop blaming the past for our responsibilities now. Nearly all politicians of all parties want the best for the country.

    The latter would be worth a try, and the space is vacant.
  • Happy New Year PB'ers.

    May 2025 bring fluffy clouds of hope and reassurance.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,017
    ydoethur said:

    A right wing talking head the other day called Sir Grinch's last Christmas in No. 10. I don’t think I see it now sadly, but I don't predict things getting much better for his Government.

    They're not likely to get better for *any* government.

    One possible exception to that will be the government of either Russia or Ukraine, as it seems unlikely the war will last beyond this year. If Ukraine implodes, that will be to put it mildly suboptimal for Volodomyr Zelensky. If, on the other hand, the Russian economy tanks entirely and Putin has to withdraw from Ukraine this will damage his own government beyond repair.

    If, of course, the Orange Haired One decides to impose a silly peace on both so he can lie about his deal making abilities then that will be suboptimal for both, probably more so for Ukraine as at least what Putin has can be spun as a victory.
    There was some news a couple of weeks ago about regional governors in Russia receiving instructions on how to celebrate victory in the SMO. This does indicate a degree of planning in Russia around the end of the war, and how to manage the PR of the war ending without total victory.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,111
    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.

    I made a New Year's resolution back in 2002 and I have kept it with no trouble at all ever since.

    It was to stop making New Year's Resolutions.
    That's exactly what I did, but so many years ago it doesn't count any longer!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,314
    Happy New Year one and all.

    I was asleep before midnight, so 2025 started for me at 06:00, being trodden on by a poodle.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    edited January 1
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    2024 is a tough act to follow. We've had the party, now we have the hangover..

    My EuroMillions win is surely a promising portent…?

    Anyhow, today is going to be busy dealing with all the HNY emails from every online retailer I have ever used...
    Bit blowy for my trip back to Leicester, but the Red Funnel claims to be running OK.

    🤞
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,200
    Dura_Ace said:

    Joining the EU would help.

    “Can I have “Not happening in 2025” for $200 please Alex.”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,200
    ydoethur said:

    A right wing talking head the other day called Sir Grinch's last Christmas in No. 10. I don’t think I see it now sadly, but I don't predict things getting much better for his Government.

    They're not likely to get better for *any* government.

    One possible exception to that will be the government of either Russia or Ukraine, as it seems unlikely the war will last beyond this year. If Ukraine implodes, that will be to put it mildly suboptimal for Volodomyr Zelensky. If, on the other hand, the Russian economy tanks entirely and Putin has to withdraw from Ukraine this will damage his own government beyond repair.

    If, of course, the Orange Haired One decides to impose a silly peace on both so he can lie about his deal making abilities then that will be suboptimal for both, probably more so for Ukraine as at least what Putin has can be spun as a victory.
    Well the rouble market just hit a three year high. Someone’s running out of serious money to prop up their Potemkin currency.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,207
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    2024 is a tough act to follow. We've had the party, now we have the hangover..

    My EuroMillions win is surely a promising portent…?

    Anyhow, today is going to be busy dealing with all the HNY emails from every online retailer I have ever used...
    Bit blowy for my trip back to Leicester, but the Red Funnel claims to be running OK.

    🤞
    Which is an improvement on many calm days, recently
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,964
    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.

    I made a New Year's resolution back in 2002 and I have kept it with no trouble at all ever since.

    It was to stop making New Year's Resolutions.
    No, this reveals an internal incoherence and self contradiction. In order to keep 'Resolution 2002' it has to be renewed by implication each 1st January, as it seems you have just done. This requires an annual resolution to do so, defeating the '2002 Intention'.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,019

    stodge said:

    Evening all from the end of the first day of 2025 :)

    2024 saw the continuation of the weakness of incumbent Governments in many parts of the world ending with the opposition winning in Ghana at the beginning of December.

    I suspect 2025 will continue to be tough for incumbents and those sweeping into office on tides of public acclaim or apathy will quickly realize just how easy opposition is in comparison to Government.

    No one anywhere, it seems, whatever their political stance or policy, has any answer to the prevailing economic malaise. Some blame “immigration” and scapegoat sections of society, others look to reduce Government but neither looks effective.

    No one seems able to produce economic growth which works to the benefit of all rather than just making the very rich even richer and hoping somehow some form of trickle down will do the trick.

    I’m far from convinced mass deportations or tariffs will make anything better either. Perhaps technological evolution will in time produce the economic transformation which will recommence growth but in the short term frustrated and socially immobile populations are going to continue to be drawn to the siren voices of those who offer not answers but personal advancement for themselves and their cronies.

    Millei seems to be doing pretty well.
    Oddly enough, there will be Senate elections in Argentina on 26th October for half the Chamber of Deputies and a third of the Senate. That will be the first big test for the LLA (Millei’s party) and whether it can achieve legislative success.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.

    I made a New Year's resolution back in 2002 and I have kept it with no trouble at all ever since.

    It was to stop making New Year's Resolutions.
    No, this reveals an internal incoherence and self contradiction. In order to keep 'Resolution 2002' it has to be renewed by implication each 1st January, as it seems you have just done. This requires an annual resolution to do so, defeating the '2002 Intention'.
    We're back to Russell's Paradox, and so early in the New Year...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,314
    My prediction for 2025: Conservatives to be ahead on National Equivalent Vote calculated for the BBC based on the May local elections. Reform second. Labour third.
  • My predictions for 2025.
    Some things will happen.
    Other things will not happen.
    I think that about covers it.
    May your New Year be the one that you are hoping for.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,111
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.

    I made a New Year's resolution back in 2002 and I have kept it with no trouble at all ever since.

    It was to stop making New Year's Resolutions.
    No, this reveals an internal incoherence and self contradiction. In order to keep 'Resolution 2002' it has to be renewed by implication each 1st January, as it seems you have just done. This requires an annual resolution to do so, defeating the '2002 Intention'.
    Truly, after sufficient time it does just seem a normal thing I don't do, like drinking alcohol. There's no decision, it just happens (or rather, doesn't happen). That's why so many years I forget to have my half-thimble of Tio Pepe to celebrate Christmas.

    I remembered this year though. I reckon my bottle will last me another 7 years at least. I bought it quite a long time before 2008.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,270
    edited January 1

    This year feels a bit sad.

    We have the hoped for shift away from corruption and lies but the replacement is dreary. The green energy evolution is all I can see on the hopeful side. And it might be blocked by failure of imagination, incompetent admin, or low ambition.

    Anyway.

    Just keep buggering on. Look for the positive. That normally works.

    Keep well.

    On the green energy revolution front the good news is UK wholesale electricity was at minus £14.50 per mwh this morning when I checked. The bad news is my heat pump isn’t working very well this week.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,831

    Starmer promises to fight to make Britain better. Presumably this will be against his own government.

    Don’t be obtuse.

    And Happy New Year everybody…
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965
    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning everyone and a happy New Year to you all.

    I never make New Year resolutions and I never make any serious predictions, so nothing to offer anyone at this time of year. My approach to New Year is the same as my approach to each day's weather: make the best of whatever turns up.

    That's a good philosophy.

    Happy New Year!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544
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    TimS said:

    This year feels a bit sad.

    We have the hoped for shift away from corruption and lies but the replacement is dreary. The green energy evolution is all I can see on the hopeful side. And it might be blocked by failure of imagination, incompetent admin, or low ambition.

    Anyway.

    Just keep buggering on. Look for the positive. That normally works.

    Keep well.

    On the green energy revolution front the good news is UK wholesale electricity was at minus £14.50 per mwh this morning when I checked. The bad news is my heat pump isn’t working very well this week.
    What model is it ?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,308
    edited January 1
    Happy New Year, all.

    I make resolutions to do specific things I enjoy but maybe wouldn't get round to otherwise in the daily grind.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,710
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Happy new year all, from a beautiful and frosty Maconnais. After a week of freezing fog the sun is out and the world looks like Elsa has been practising for Frozen III.



    Net zero sceptics will be delighted to learn that my new air source heat pump does not perform very well in minus 6. It’s warm enough inside, but it’s eating up the kilowatts like nobody’s business and keeps tripping our circuit breaker.

    2024 was a lot about domestic politics, with an election as the centrepiece. 2025 feels like it’ll be all about international events. Trump’s second presidency and those tariffs, a possible denouement for good or bad in Ukraine, and a big test of nation building for the Syrians.

    We - and I mean democratic nations - cannot afford Ukraine to be forced to give way. That is the truth of it. If Trump backs off Europe must take up the slack. We must see Putin and Putinism as the utter evil that it is and defend Ukraine and ourselves against it.
    Not least because of the military implications of Russia controlling Ukraine's resources and manufacturing.

    The future additional cost of a European military capable of defending against Russia plus Ukraine is considerably less than that of defeating this invasion.
    That ought to have been clear from the outset.
    If that "considerably less" becomes "considerably more", then I agree... ;)

    (I assume that was just a typo?)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,314
    FF43 said:

    Happy New Year, all.

    I make resolutions to do specific things I enjoy but maybe wouldn't get round to otherwise in the daily grind.

    That is a very good philosophy. We all spend so much of our time doing things we don't actually want to do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544

    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Happy new year all, from a beautiful and frosty Maconnais. After a week of freezing fog the sun is out and the world looks like Elsa has been practising for Frozen III.



    Net zero sceptics will be delighted to learn that my new air source heat pump does not perform very well in minus 6. It’s warm enough inside, but it’s eating up the kilowatts like nobody’s business and keeps tripping our circuit breaker.

    2024 was a lot about domestic politics, with an election as the centrepiece. 2025 feels like it’ll be all about international events. Trump’s second presidency and those tariffs, a possible denouement for good or bad in Ukraine, and a big test of nation building for the Syrians.

    We - and I mean democratic nations - cannot afford Ukraine to be forced to give way. That is the truth of it. If Trump backs off Europe must take up the slack. We must see Putin and Putinism as the utter evil that it is and defend Ukraine and ourselves against it.
    Not least because of the military implications of Russia controlling Ukraine's resources and manufacturing.

    The future additional cost of a European military capable of defending against Russia plus Ukraine is considerably less than that of defeating this invasion.
    That ought to have been clear from the outset.
    If that "considerably less" becomes "considerably more", then I agree... ;)

    (I assume that was just a typo?)
    It was.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995

    FF43 said:

    Happy New Year, all.

    I make resolutions to do specific things I enjoy but maybe wouldn't get round to otherwise in the daily grind.

    That is a very good philosophy. We all spend so much of our time doing things we don't actually want to do.
    We all spent a great deal of our lives posting on PB. Are you suggesting we do that despite not wanting to?
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 374
    My predictions

    Labour back to regular 35% polling by year end as the more educated and realistic citizens realise they are putting the key foundations and building blocks in place to rebuild a broken Country.

    Starmer method driven methodical approach starts to work.

    Badenoch starts to gain a foothold over Reform with Tories edging up to high 20s

    The Reform bubble starts to burst, driven by chaos and possible riots it the US and UK with Farage instigating and getting widespread rebuttal for it.

    Expect further corruption issues to affect Farage and Lowe especially and a general repulsion towards MAGA and Musk.

    Elsewhere possible exile for Andrew Windsor, divorce for William Windsor and increasing calls for a second Brexit vote.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,314
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Happy New Year, all.

    I make resolutions to do specific things I enjoy but maybe wouldn't get round to otherwise in the daily grind.

    That is a very good philosophy. We all spend so much of our time doing things we don't actually want to do.
    We all spent a great deal of our lives posting on PB. Are you suggesting we do that despite not wanting to?
    That is an interesting question. I'm sure posting on PB isn't the favourite pastime of too many of us, so is it distracting us from doing something we would enjoy more?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all from the end of the first day of 2025 :)

    2024 saw the continuation of the weakness of incumbent Governments in many parts of the world ending with the opposition winning in Ghana at the beginning of December.

    I suspect 2025 will continue to be tough for incumbents and those sweeping into office on tides of public acclaim or apathy will quickly realize just how easy opposition is in comparison to Government.

    No one anywhere, it seems, whatever their political stance or policy, has any answer to the prevailing economic malaise. Some blame “immigration” and scapegoat sections of society, others look to reduce Government but neither looks effective.

    No one seems able to produce economic growth which works to the benefit of all rather than just making the very rich even richer and hoping somehow some form of trickle down will do the trick.

    I’m far from convinced mass deportations or tariffs will make anything better either. Perhaps technological evolution will in time produce the economic transformation which will recommence growth but in the short term frustrated and socially immobile populations are going to continue to be drawn to the siren voices of those who offer not answers but personal advancement for themselves and their cronies.

    Millei seems to be doing pretty well.
    Oddly enough, there will be Senate elections in Argentina on 26th October for half the Chamber of Deputies and a third of the Senate. That will be the first big test for the LLA (Millei’s party) and whether it can achieve legislative success.
    I was chatting to a friend before Christmas, who winters in Argentina.

    He reckons that Millei retains popularity despite ballooning poverty, freezing pensions, slashing budgets across the State Sector as things could not continue as they were.

    He did caveat this though by saying that there is so much black economy there that you simply shouldn't believe statistics coming out of their ministries.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    Happy New Year everyone.

    In the USA, one I missed from just before Christmas - the Republican Congresswoman in the Dementia Home for the last 6 months.

    That makes the majority even more interesting - has anyone been counting, @rcs1000 ?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dc-age-biden-kay-granger-b2668696.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277
    India had elections last year of course, which saw Modi lose his majority and a slight swing to the left matched by bigger swings to the left in the French legislative election and UK general election.

    The victory of Trump and the Republicans in November is though likely to start a swing to the right further next year. In February in Germany the centre right CDU leader Merz is expected to win and become chancellor with the far right AfD even beating the governing centre left SPD for second. Though the SPD is likely to be the junior partner in government still.

    Towards the autumn Australia has an election where the governing Labor Party is projected to lose its majority and PM Albanese likely would need to do a deal with Teal Independents and the Greens to at best scenario for him to keep out the right wing populist Coalition leader Dutton from power.

    While finally in Canada by the end of the year the Conservatives led by Poilevre are expected to win a landslide victory and sweep Trudeau and his Liberals from power after 10 years of Liberal led government with the Liberals maybe even falling to third again behind the social democratic NDP.

    Happy New Year!


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,838
    HYUFD said:

    India had elections last year of course, which saw Modi lose his majority and a slight swing to the left matched by bigger swings to the left in the French legislative election and UK general election.

    The victory of Trump and the Republicans in November is though likely to start a swing to the right further next year. In February in Germany the centre right CDU leader Merz is expected to win and become chancellor with the far right AfD even beating the governing centre left SPD for second. Though the SPD is likely to be the junior partner in government still.

    Towards the autumn Australia has an election where the governing Labor Party is projected to lose its majority and PM Albanese likely would need to do a deal with Teal Independents and the Greens to at best scenario for him to keep out the right wing populist Coalition leader Dutton from power.

    While finally in Canada by the end of the year the Conservatives led by Poilevre are expected to win a landslide victory and sweep Trudeau and his Liberals from power after 10 years of Liberal led government with the Liberals maybe even falling to third again behind the social democratic NDP.

    Happy New Year!


    Happy New Year @HYUFD and hope we can agree that Kemi and the conservatives take the fight to Farage and Reform, and then labour
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    edited January 1
    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    If you want to build a mini Monte Cassino, why not take on the former seminary at St Peter's Seminary, Cardross?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46822229

    (It's been given away, now, after being empty since 1984. It looks like parts of the Barbican, but buildings like that need big cashflow through them to stay in condition.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277

    TimS said:

    Happy new year all, from a beautiful and frosty Maconnais. After a week of freezing fog the sun is out and the world looks like Elsa has been practising for Frozen III.



    Net zero sceptics will be delighted to learn that my new air source heat pump does not perform very well in minus 6. It’s warm enough inside, but it’s eating up the kilowatts like nobody’s business and keeps tripping our circuit breaker.

    2024 was a lot about domestic politics, with an election as the centrepiece. 2025 feels like it’ll be all about international events. Trump’s second presidency and those tariffs, a possible denouement for good or bad in Ukraine, and a big test of nation building for the Syrians.

    We - and I mean democratic nations - cannot afford Ukraine to be forced to give way. That is the truth of it. If Trump backs off Europe must take up the slack. We must see Putin and Putinism as the utter evil that it is and defend Ukraine and ourselves against it.
    Likely next German chancellor Merz is at least in favour of more military aid and missiles for Ukraine, in fact more so than incumbent Scholz is. So Germany could increase its aid to offset the cuts in aid to Ukraine from Trump's USA
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,207
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Indeed. Wasn't it Labour that lumbered us originally with the expensive white elephant of the aircraft carriers with hardly any planes, which we couldn't protect in event of war?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277

    My prediction for 2025: Conservatives to be ahead on National Equivalent Vote calculated for the BBC based on the May local elections. Reform second. Labour third.

    Which would boost Kemi even more than Farage and be a humiliation for Starmer after just a year in office
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,200
    MattW said:

    Happy New Year everyone.

    In the USA, one I missed from just before Christmas - the Republican Congresswoman in the Dementia Home for the last 6 months.

    That makes the majority even more interesting - has anyone been counting, @rcs1000 ?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dc-age-biden-kay-granger-b2668696.html

    She didn’t seek re-election in 2024, but yes another massive fail from the American media to fail to notice that she was in a nursing home rather than in Congress for six months.

    There’s apparently serious suggestions that Trump is going to introduce a constitutional amendment to enact term limits for the House and the Senate - in polling it’s the single most popular policy he’s suggested, with over 70% in favour. A very high bar to get it passed though.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,605
    MattW said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    If you want to build a mini Monte Cassino, why not take on the former seminary at St Peter's Seminary, Cardross?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46822229

    (It's been given away, now, after being empty since 1984. It looks like parts of the Barbican, but buildings like that need big cashflow through them to stay in condition.)
    I went to Casino in October. It’s quite a sad town. It’s a place of pilgrimage to Poles, Germans, Americans, New Zealanders, and Indians. But, the locals just want to forget about the battle that destroyed their town.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277
    UK energy bills to increase on Wednesday after end of OFCOM cap
    "Energy price cap: Bills rise with warnings of more pain ahead - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2612npy61o
  • eekeek Posts: 28,671
    HYUFD said:

    UK energy bills to increase on Wednesday after end of OFCOM cap
    "Energy price cap: Bills rise with warnings of more pain ahead - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2612npy61o

    It's OFGEM - and the caps are reset every quarter to reflect current market conditions..
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    edited January 1
    On the further subject of sites of theological colleges, I see that the site of St John's College has developed into a pleasant housing development, with a sense of place even via Google.

    It moved here from London, after their former site was bombed. And courses have now moved in various directions.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place//@52.9291068,-1.2442866,330m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!1m5!3m4!2zNTLCsDU1JzQ2LjYiTiAxwrAxNCczNS41Ilc!8m2!3d52.9296!4d-1.2432?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

    There's an earlyish Grand Designs renovation (people with horses) on the other side of the road 1/4 of a mile away.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 629
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    UK energy bills to increase on Wednesday after end of OFCOM cap
    "Energy price cap: Bills rise with warnings of more pain ahead - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2612npy61o

    It's OFGEM - and the caps are reset every quarter to reflect current market conditions..
    Presumably the reference was to the OFCOM cap on energy price rise scare stories in the media?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,222
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Happy new year all, from a beautiful and frosty Maconnais. After a week of freezing fog the sun is out and the world looks like Elsa has been practising for Frozen III.



    Net zero sceptics will be delighted to learn that my new air source heat pump does not perform very well in minus 6. It’s warm enough inside, but it’s eating up the kilowatts like nobody’s business and keeps tripping our circuit breaker.

    2024 was a lot about domestic politics, with an election as the centrepiece. 2025 feels like it’ll be all about international events. Trump’s second presidency and those tariffs, a possible denouement for good or bad in Ukraine, and a big test of nation building for the Syrians.

    We - and I mean democratic nations - cannot afford Ukraine to be forced to give way. That is the truth of it. If Trump backs off Europe must take up the slack. We must see Putin and Putinism as the utter evil that it is and defend Ukraine and ourselves against it.
    Not least because of the military implications of Russia controlling Ukraine's resources and manufacturing.

    The future additional cost of a European military capable of defending against Russia plus Ukraine is considerably less than that of defeating this invasion.
    That ought to have been clear from the outset.
    Shades of Hitler’s Germany taking over Czechoslovak military capacity wholesale, except in his case without barely firing a shot. At least Europe isn’t quite as supine as it was in 1938.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277

    My predictions

    Labour back to regular 35% polling by year end as the more educated and realistic citizens realise they are putting the key foundations and building blocks in place to rebuild a broken Country.

    Starmer method driven methodical approach starts to work.

    Badenoch starts to gain a foothold over Reform with Tories edging up to high 20s

    The Reform bubble starts to burst, driven by chaos and possible riots it the US and UK with Farage instigating and getting widespread rebuttal for it.

    Expect further corruption issues to affect Farage and Lowe especially and a general repulsion towards MAGA and Musk.

    Elsewhere possible exile for Andrew Windsor, divorce for William Windsor and increasing calls for a second Brexit vote.

    There will certainly be no divorce for the Prince, if anything a split for Harry Windsor is more likely.

    Nor will there be much call for a second Brexit vote, especially while Reform is on around 20%. Even the LDs aren't calling for one now just to rejoin the single market ultimately
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,042

    Starmer promises to fight to make Britain better. Presumably this will be against his own government.

    Doesn't feel like they've done too much wrong so far. My tax bill has gone up a bit the English weather is as grey as usual He's trying to repair broken bridges with the EU they're giving more money to the NHS....they've stopped being gratuitously horrible to immigrants....

    What's not to like?

  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    The Header picture has something of "Charlie's Angels Post Plastic Surgery" about it.

    More worryingly, even though satirical it's a very 2020s influencer vibe.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544
    .
    MattW said:

    Happy New Year everyone.

    In the USA, one I missed from just before Christmas - the Republican Congresswoman in the Dementia Home for the last 6 months.

    That makes the majority even more interesting - has anyone been counting, @rcs1000 ?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dc-age-biden-kay-granger-b2668696.html

    Isn't she retiring anyway in January ?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,769
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    2024 is a tough act to follow. We've had the party, now we have the hangover..

    My EuroMillions win is surely a promising portent…?

    Anyhow, today is going to be busy dealing with all the HNY emails from every online retailer I have ever used...
    Ha! Yes. Me too. I hope everyone does this to sites demanding excess information.

    Unix zero date, every time.

    Happy New Year, and "Happy Birthday" to all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544
    In retrospect, Trump's win should have been obvious - 2025 is of course 45^2.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    edited January 1
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Happy New Year everyone.

    In the USA, one I missed from just before Christmas - the Republican Congresswoman in the Dementia Home for the last 6 months.

    That makes the majority even more interesting - has anyone been counting, @rcs1000 ?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dc-age-biden-kay-granger-b2668696.html

    She didn’t seek re-election in 2024, but yes another massive fail from the American media to fail to notice that she was in a nursing home rather than in Congress for six months.

    There’s apparently serious suggestions that Trump is going to introduce a constitutional amendment to enact term limits for the House and the Senate - in polling it’s the single most popular policy he’s suggested, with over 70% in favour. A very high bar to get it passed though.
    Checking, I see that she is being replaced by one Craig Goldman, so no impact on the new majority.

    Though there may have been various duties on her staff aiui to report when their Representative is unfit.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    edited January 1

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.

    @IanB2 about Labour starting the white elephant of the carrier programme in the first place. I don't think that we will ever need to project force beyond where we have land based aircraft.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,769
    edited January 1

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    2024 is a tough act to follow. We've had the party, now we have the hangover..

    My EuroMillions win is surely a promising portent…?

    Anyhow, today is going to be busy dealing with all the HNY emails from every online retailer I have ever used...
    Ha! Yes. Me too. I hope everyone does this to sites demanding excess information.

    Unix zero date, every time.

    Happy New Year, and "Happy Birthday" to all.
    Its early and I'm not focusing. I somehow misread that after a multitude of happy birthday messages this morning.

    I think I'll go back to bed and take a Mulligan / restart the year.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,042
    MattW said:

    The Header picture has something of "Charlie's Angels Post Plastic Surgery" about it.

    More worryingly, even though satirical it's a very 2020s influencer vibe.

    It reminds me horribly of a photo I received from three girls in the US announcing that they were my new agents. Hi Roger. We're so excited to be working with you. We're three sisters. Marlene Darlene and Charlene ......

    .....and it wasn't a joke or an influencer and I was so angry
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,160
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.
    Rubbish. It's boomtime for diversity officers, net zero cranks and busybodies who spy on people's Twitter.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,587
    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    If in deep trouble, mention the war, beaches , spitfires , bulldog spirit , Vera Lynn, et al
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319

    My predictions

    Labour back to regular 35% polling by year end as the more educated and realistic citizens realise they are putting the key foundations and building blocks in place to rebuild a broken Country.

    Starmer method driven methodical approach starts to work.

    Badenoch starts to gain a foothold over Reform with Tories edging up to high 20s

    The Reform bubble starts to burst, driven by chaos and possible riots it the US and UK with Farage instigating and getting widespread rebuttal for it.

    Expect further corruption issues to affect Farage and Lowe especially and a general repulsion towards MAGA and Musk.

    Elsewhere possible exile for Andrew Windsor, divorce for William Windsor and increasing calls for a second Brexit vote.

    Some interesting predictions there! I am not sure which is the least probable.

    Politically, I expect Starmer and Badenoch to continue floundering, but am sceptical on current polling. The big movement is not Lab to Con or Lab to Reform, it is Lab to DK/WNV, which is in large part down to post electoral ennui.

    Can Deliverism deliver for Starmer? I think there will be big improvements in a number of key national metrics including NHS waiting lists and immigration numbers, but never enough for some people.

    Economically I expect a middling performance, with most other developed countries also in the economic doldrums, dragged down by demographics and ageing industries.

    Farage will enjoy the limelight, but the ongoing car crash across the Atlantic will tarnish him significantly.

    I am not particularly a Royal watcher, but the King does look rather old and frail. I can't see him lasting more than a couple of years, so William will be on his best behaviour, in public at least. I think he will be a rather headstrong King when the time comes, and that will adversely impacted support for the Monarchy, particularly in other Commonwealth Realms.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277
    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    If you want to build a mini Monte Cassino, why not take on the former seminary at St Peter's Seminary, Cardross?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46822229

    (It's been given away, now, after being empty since 1984. It looks like parts of the Barbican, but buildings like that need big cashflow through them to stay in condition.)
    I went to Casino in October. It’s quite a sad town. It’s a place of pilgrimage to Poles, Germans, Americans, New Zealanders, and Indians. But, the locals just want to forget about the battle that destroyed their town.
    My late grandfather fought at Casino, certainly a key battle in the Italian campaign
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,587

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    Thye had a right good go at it when they were in though
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,587
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    UK energy bills to increase on Wednesday after end of OFCOM cap
    "Energy price cap: Bills rise with warnings of more pain ahead - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2612npy61o

    It's OFGEM - and the caps are reset every quarter to reflect current market conditions..
    good old Labourtories, keeping their pals bonuses in place as they milk the poor
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277
    Foxy said:

    My predictions

    Labour back to regular 35% polling by year end as the more educated and realistic citizens realise they are putting the key foundations and building blocks in place to rebuild a broken Country.

    Starmer method driven methodical approach starts to work.

    Badenoch starts to gain a foothold over Reform with Tories edging up to high 20s

    The Reform bubble starts to burst, driven by chaos and possible riots it the US and UK with Farage instigating and getting widespread rebuttal for it.

    Expect further corruption issues to affect Farage and Lowe especially and a general repulsion towards MAGA and Musk.

    Elsewhere possible exile for Andrew Windsor, divorce for William Windsor and increasing calls for a second Brexit vote.

    Some interesting predictions there! I am not sure which is the least probable.

    Politically, I expect Starmer and Badenoch to continue floundering, but am sceptical on current polling. The big movement is not Lab to Con or Lab to Reform, it is Lab to DK/WNV, which is in large part down to post electoral ennui.

    Can Deliverism deliver for Starmer? I think there will be big improvements in a number of key national metrics including NHS waiting lists and immigration numbers, but never enough for some people.

    Economically I expect a middling performance, with most other developed countries also in the economic doldrums, dragged down by demographics and ageing industries.

    Farage will enjoy the limelight, but the ongoing car crash across the Atlantic will tarnish him significantly.

    I am not particularly a Royal watcher, but the King does look rather old and frail. I can't see him lasting more than a couple of years, so William will be on his best behaviour, in public at least. I think he will be a rather headstrong King when the time comes, and that will adversely impacted support for the Monarchy, particularly in other Commonwealth Realms.
    I doubt it, William is more popular than Charles across the Commonwealth realms, has no interest in any political role other than his Earthshot prize and homeless campaigns and has even said he may give up being permanent head of the Commonwealth as King but rotate the role amongst Commonwealth heads of state
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.

    @IanB2 about Labour starting the white elephant of the carrier programme in the first place. I don't think that we will ever need to project force beyond where we have land based aircraft.
    Yaaaawwwwnnn
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    edited January 1
    Roger said:

    MattW said:

    The Header picture has something of "Charlie's Angels Post Plastic Surgery" about it.

    More worryingly, even though satirical it's a very 2020s influencer vibe.

    It reminds me horribly of a photo I received from three girls in the US announcing that they were my new agents. Hi Roger. We're so excited to be working with you. We're three sisters. Marlene Darlene and Charlene ......

    .....and it wasn't a joke or an influencer and I was so angry
    And how are Marlene, Darlene and Charlene working out?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,587
    TimS said:

    This year feels a bit sad.

    We have the hoped for shift away from corruption and lies but the replacement is dreary. The green energy evolution is all I can see on the hopeful side. And it might be blocked by failure of imagination, incompetent admin, or low ambition.

    Anyway.

    Just keep buggering on. Look for the positive. That normally works.

    Keep well.

    On the green energy revolution front the good news is UK wholesale electricity was at minus £14.50 per mwh this morning when I checked. The bad news is my heat pump isn’t working very well this week.
    Bad news is they are putting prices up regardless, Dick Turpin got hung for less.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,277
    Cross channel crossings rose in 2024 after Starmer scrapped the Sunak proposals to send asylum seekers to Rwanda for processing
    "Channel migrants: Home Office figures in 2024 show 36,816 crossed - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y45dmg2pjo
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,605
    IMHO, Labour will fall to third place, in polls, this year, and have horrible local, and by, election results.

    That doesn’t rule out a recovery later on, however.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.

    @IanB2 about Labour starting the white elephant of the carrier programme in the first place. I don't think that we will ever need to project force beyond where we have land based aircraft.
    Yaaaawwwwnnn
    It's true though.

    Who else is responsible for the running down of all areas of public life over the last decade?

    I don't think Starmer was being honest with his Ming Vase strategy (it clearly worked, but didn't deliver the mandate needed to restructure the country), but it's not just in the last six months that things have been going backwards.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,587
    HYUFD said:

    Cross channel crossings rose in 2024 after Starmer scrapped the Sunak proposals to send asylum seekers to Rwanda for processing
    "Channel migrants: Home Office figures in 2024 show 36,816 crossed - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y45dmg2pjo

    who would have thought that
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965
    Sean_F said:

    IMHO, Labour will fall to third place, in polls, this year, and have horrible local, and by, election results.

    That doesn’t rule out a recovery later on, however.

    They've given millions of public sector and unionised employees a reason to vote for them in 2029, pretty much no matter what.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,005
    All governments during my adult lifetime have been poor on Defence.

    An ironic 'upside' of this is that it matters less now because the advances in drone warfare (and we must learn all we can from Ukraine both defensively and offensively) may make lots of gear and tactics either redundant or far less useful.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,587
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.

    @IanB2 about Labour starting the white elephant of the carrier programme in the first place. I don't think that we will ever need to project force beyond where we have land based aircraft.
    Yaaaawwwwnnn
    It's true though.

    Who else is responsible for the running down of all areas of public life over the last decade?

    I don't think Starmer was being honest with his Ming Vase strategy (it clearly worked, but didn't deliver the mandate needed to restructure the country), but it's not just in the last six months that things have been going backwards.
    We see what Labour means when you look at Wales. We are well and truly F**ked with this bunch of clowns.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,551
    edited January 1
    Foxy said:

    My predictions

    Labour back to regular 35% polling by year end as the more educated and realistic citizens realise they are putting the key foundations and building blocks in place to rebuild a broken Country.

    Starmer method driven methodical approach starts to work.

    Badenoch starts to gain a foothold over Reform with Tories edging up to high 20s

    The Reform bubble starts to burst, driven by chaos and possible riots it the US and UK with Farage instigating and getting widespread rebuttal for it.

    Expect further corruption issues to affect Farage and Lowe especially and a general repulsion towards MAGA and Musk.

    Elsewhere possible exile for Andrew Windsor, divorce for William Windsor and increasing calls for a second Brexit vote.

    Some interesting predictions there! I am not sure which is the least probable.

    Politically, I expect Starmer and Badenoch to continue floundering, but am sceptical on current polling. The big movement is not Lab to Con or Lab to Reform, it is Lab to DK/WNV, which is in large part down to post electoral ennui.

    Can Deliverism deliver for Starmer? I think there will be big improvements in a number of key national metrics including NHS waiting lists and immigration numbers, but never enough for some people.

    Economically I expect a middling performance, with most other developed countries also in the economic doldrums, dragged down by demographics and ageing industries.

    Farage will enjoy the limelight, but the ongoing car crash across the Atlantic will tarnish him significantly.

    I am not particularly a Royal watcher, but the King does look rather old and frail. I can't see him lasting more than a couple of years, so William will be on his best behaviour, in public at least. I think he will be a rather headstrong King when the time comes, and that will adversely impacted support for the Monarchy, particularly in other Commonwealth Realms.
    And if that happens, it's probably better than we really deserve. The Time's report on their YouGov poll includes the gem that voters are losing patience with Starmer. Which, six months in, says it all.

    Meanwhile, a VI from one of the more established players, released yesterday by the look of it;

    LAB: 30% (-2)
    CON: 25% (-1)
    RFM: 20% (+2)
    LDM: 11% (-2)
    GRN: 7% (+2)
    SNP: 2% (=)

    Via @survation.bsky.social, 12-16 Dec.
    Changes w/ 8 Oct.


    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3lemmhat4ps2h
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,842
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.

    @IanB2 about Labour starting the white elephant of the carrier programme in the first place. I don't think that we will ever need to project force beyond where we have land based aircraft.
    Yaaaawwwwnnn
    It's true though.

    Who else is responsible for the running down of all areas of public life over the last decade?

    I don't think Starmer was being honest with his Ming Vase strategy (it clearly worked, but didn't deliver the mandate needed to restructure the country), but it's not just in the last six months that things have been going backwards.
    Not all areas.

    Anything involving oldies, including the NHS, has had money poured into it.

    Yes, the Conservatives were responsible for that but I didn't see any other party opposing it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,842
    Is the picture of the Trump brothers next wives ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,870
    This first morning of a new year finds me hungover and feeling anxious about Donald Trump. You can analyse the whys and wherefores of Nov 5th all you like but the bottom line is we are about to see an enormous concentration of power in the hands of a person who could not be less suitable to hold it. It's impossible to know in advance the specific consequences but you have to be an incorrigible optimist to believe they won't be big and bad. I'd like to be that incorrigible optimist but in this case my heart wouldn't be in it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965
    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We might not be getting any remotely interesting elections this year, but we are getting 3x War Christmas!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-nation-can-34397821

    I'm going to build a 1/9 scale diorama of Monte Cassino in my front garden.

    Starmer couldn't give a toss about the armed forces or military history. He has typical bien pensant north London left-wing views about the nation being obsessed with WWII and views it all as chauvinistic and bombastic. He will be deeply embarrassed and repelled by it.

    He's just been told it polls well.
    It's not Labour that ran down our Armed forces over the last decade.
    Well done for a terrific non sequitur to welcome in 2025.
    The pisspoor state of our Armed Forces is pretty much in line with how all areas of public life in Britain over the last decade, even the areas that the Tories pretend to care about.
    Rubbish. It's boomtime for diversity officers, net zero cranks and busybodies who spy on people's Twitter.
    The Tories did run down the armed forces, trying to run it on a shoestring, and have only woken up to the risks of that in the last few years.

    But, the Brown/Blair government were little better, never funding it properly and salami slicing it every 2-3 years, and Starmer hasn't even started to rise to the challenge- contrast with Schulz or the Nordics, yet alone Poland.

    If the Defence Review this year produces a credible 10 year rearmament plan, with the funds and leadership to implement it, then I'll be happy to change my mind.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,974
    "CBS News, the BBC’s US partner, reports that there has been a possible mass casualty incident after a vehicle ran into a crowd on Bourbon Street in New Orleans’ French Quarter."

    (BBC news has a US partner now?)

    The incident itself:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn4x88455qpt
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544
    This is pretty cool - high temperature air sourced heat pumps to produce industrial steam.

    https://atmoszero.energy/technology/

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,838

    TimS said:

    Happy new year all, from a beautiful and frosty Maconnais. After a week of freezing fog the sun is out and the world looks like Elsa has been practising for Frozen III.



    Net zero sceptics will be delighted to learn that my new air source heat pump does not perform very well in minus 6. It’s warm enough inside, but it’s eating up the kilowatts like nobody’s business and keeps tripping our circuit breaker.

    2024 was a lot about domestic politics, with an election as the centrepiece. 2025 feels like it’ll be all about international events. Trump’s second presidency and those tariffs, a possible denouement for good or bad in Ukraine, and a big test of nation building for the Syrians.

    We - and I mean democratic nations - cannot afford Ukraine to be forced to give way. That is the truth of it. If Trump backs off Europe must take up the slack. We must see Putin and Putinism as the utter evil that it is and defend Ukraine and ourselves against it.
    That assumes Trump will be chill with Europe keeping the SMO on the road. If he brokers a deal with VVP (I assume Zelenskiy can couped out of the way if necessary) then he might not want Europe fucking it up. If DJT says it's over, then it's over.
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