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He's looking very, very weird lately, but he still wouldn't pass for being 100...RochdalePioneers said:
I misread that as “Jimmy Carr has died”williamglenn said:Jimmy Carter has died.
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What? This is a forum for us all to contribute. If you just want to discuss with @Carnyx then send him a private message otherwise I and others will contribute. That is what PB is for. You seem to be struggling to understand stuff tonight. Did you object to everyone else pointing out you were wrong in your response to @Carnyx.Luckyguy1983 said:...
He can speak for himself thanks, and did.kjh said:
His fact was very specifically the restrictions on bio-imports to Australia which you said was tripe which is why so many challenged you because it isn't. Then you changed tune and agreed with it. Now you are saying it isn't a fact again. Either you can't make your mind up or have missed the point being made. I presume the latter. Why do you think so many picked you up on it?Luckyguy1983 said:
So it wasn't a fact at all, it was an ill-informed rant.Carnyx said:
Expecting farmers' trade to survive a change from open market over 35km of sea to a restricted market on the other side of the world.Luckyguy1983 said:
What was the fact?Carnyx said:
No: just stating a fact. They're not stupid.Luckyguy1983 said:
You really will come out with any desperate old tripe to defend your position won't you? The trade deal is reciprocal. It is absolutely possible for our food exporters to take advantage of the trade deal to sell more food to Australasia, mocking the idea is risible from someone also raising the spectre of a flood of Australian and NZ food imports. Yes, Australia and New Zealand might be better at exporting their foods than we are - that would result in a trade deficit in food - exactly what we had (and still have afaik) with the EU. That has nothing to do with your asinine mockery of the idea of 'sending their meat and two veg to Australasia'.Carnyx said:
In any case, the Aussies are exteemely fussy about importing fresh foods. Major biohazards to their agricultures and ecosystems.Mexicanpete said:
In that case we are going to be b****red after the next Scottish Indy Ref.HYUFD said:
Australia has no whisky brand in the top 25 best selling worldwide, Scotland has 6Mexicanpete said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_whiskyHYUFD said:
There is plenty of Welsh Lamb and British Beef here too though on that logic but not much Salmon or Whisky or Pheasant in Australia and NZ but more than enough of that here for exportkjh said:
I'm struggling with the logic there. You import things you don't have, have a shortage in or which is cheaper elsewhere. You export for the reverse reasons. You don't export what you don't have or have a shortage in or which is more expensive than the importer can produce it for. So the logic of if we can import something from someone we can also export it to them is odd. Although will happen a little, particularly if we/they add value, but generally we won't export much lamb to New Zealand. It is 'Coals to Newcastle' scenario. It will happen and kudos if you achieve it, but it isn't normal.Luckyguy1983 said:
Your post indicates you find selling food to Australia and NZ unlikely - so why the danger of a flood of Australian beef and New Zealand lamb to our plucky farmers? If food can be imported from there, it can also be exported to there.Carnyx said:
We had someone yesterday claiming that stopping UK farmers from exporting to the EU and getting in cheap labour from the EU was great. Because they could send their meat and two veg to Australasia instead.Dura_Ace said:Joining the EU would help.
I wonder what he'd have said if Musk City had been started on Mars.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/07/05/best-selling-whisky-brands-top-25/
The combination of disregard of food security and damage to the food and farming industry is really worrying.
It isn't a restricted market for most food exporters, so that's totally irrelevant. And the 'uuge distances involved didn't trouble you when (as I mentioned) you prophesied a flood of Australasian meat putting our farms out of business.
You flagrantly take opposing sides of the same argument in your Gollum-like insistence that EU-membership is the only path to prosperity.
On the wider topic the idea that exports from the UK to Australia had anything like the relevance to exports to the EU bizarre. We gain a very little and lose a lot.0 -
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Ok.kjh said:
What? This is a forum for us all to contribute. If you just want to discuss with @Carnyx then send him a private message otherwise I and others will contribute. That is what PB is for. You seem to be struggling to understand stuff tonight. Did you object to everyone else pointing out you were wrong in your response to @Carnyx.Luckyguy1983 said:...
He can speak for himself thanks, and did.kjh said:
His fact was very specifically the restrictions on bio-imports to Australia which you said was tripe which is why so many challenged you because it isn't. Then you changed tune and agreed with it. Now you are saying it isn't a fact again. Either you can't make your mind up or have missed the point being made. I presume the latter. Why do you think so many picked you up on it?Luckyguy1983 said:
So it wasn't a fact at all, it was an ill-informed rant.Carnyx said:
Expecting farmers' trade to survive a change from open market over 35km of sea to a restricted market on the other side of the world.Luckyguy1983 said:
What was the fact?Carnyx said:
No: just stating a fact. They're not stupid.Luckyguy1983 said:
You really will come out with any desperate old tripe to defend your position won't you? The trade deal is reciprocal. It is absolutely possible for our food exporters to take advantage of the trade deal to sell more food to Australasia, mocking the idea is risible from someone also raising the spectre of a flood of Australian and NZ food imports. Yes, Australia and New Zealand might be better at exporting their foods than we are - that would result in a trade deficit in food - exactly what we had (and still have afaik) with the EU. That has nothing to do with your asinine mockery of the idea of 'sending their meat and two veg to Australasia'.Carnyx said:
In any case, the Aussies are exteemely fussy about importing fresh foods. Major biohazards to their agricultures and ecosystems.Mexicanpete said:
In that case we are going to be b****red after the next Scottish Indy Ref.HYUFD said:
Australia has no whisky brand in the top 25 best selling worldwide, Scotland has 6Mexicanpete said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_whiskyHYUFD said:
There is plenty of Welsh Lamb and British Beef here too though on that logic but not much Salmon or Whisky or Pheasant in Australia and NZ but more than enough of that here for exportkjh said:
I'm struggling with the logic there. You import things you don't have, have a shortage in or which is cheaper elsewhere. You export for the reverse reasons. You don't export what you don't have or have a shortage in or which is more expensive than the importer can produce it for. So the logic of if we can import something from someone we can also export it to them is odd. Although will happen a little, particularly if we/they add value, but generally we won't export much lamb to New Zealand. It is 'Coals to Newcastle' scenario. It will happen and kudos if you achieve it, but it isn't normal.Luckyguy1983 said:
Your post indicates you find selling food to Australia and NZ unlikely - so why the danger of a flood of Australian beef and New Zealand lamb to our plucky farmers? If food can be imported from there, it can also be exported to there.Carnyx said:
We had someone yesterday claiming that stopping UK farmers from exporting to the EU and getting in cheap labour from the EU was great. Because they could send their meat and two veg to Australasia instead.Dura_Ace said:Joining the EU would help.
I wonder what he'd have said if Musk City had been started on Mars.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/07/05/best-selling-whisky-brands-top-25/
The combination of disregard of food security and damage to the food and farming industry is really worrying.
It isn't a restricted market for most food exporters, so that's totally irrelevant. And the 'uuge distances involved didn't trouble you when (as I mentioned) you prophesied a flood of Australasian meat putting our farms out of business.
You flagrantly take opposing sides of the same argument in your Gollum-like insistence that EU-membership is the only path to prosperity.
On the wider topic the idea that exports from the UK to Australia had anything like the relevance to exports to the EU bizarre. We gain a very little and lose a lot.0 -
:👍Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok.kjh said:
What? This is a forum for us all to contribute. If you just want to discuss with @Carnyx then send him a private message otherwise I and others will contribute. That is what PB is for. You seem to be struggling to understand stuff tonight. Did you object to everyone else pointing out you were wrong in your response to @Carnyx.Luckyguy1983 said:...
He can speak for himself thanks, and did.kjh said:
His fact was very specifically the restrictions on bio-imports to Australia which you said was tripe which is why so many challenged you because it isn't. Then you changed tune and agreed with it. Now you are saying it isn't a fact again. Either you can't make your mind up or have missed the point being made. I presume the latter. Why do you think so many picked you up on it?Luckyguy1983 said:
So it wasn't a fact at all, it was an ill-informed rant.Carnyx said:
Expecting farmers' trade to survive a change from open market over 35km of sea to a restricted market on the other side of the world.Luckyguy1983 said:
What was the fact?Carnyx said:
No: just stating a fact. They're not stupid.Luckyguy1983 said:
You really will come out with any desperate old tripe to defend your position won't you? The trade deal is reciprocal. It is absolutely possible for our food exporters to take advantage of the trade deal to sell more food to Australasia, mocking the idea is risible from someone also raising the spectre of a flood of Australian and NZ food imports. Yes, Australia and New Zealand might be better at exporting their foods than we are - that would result in a trade deficit in food - exactly what we had (and still have afaik) with the EU. That has nothing to do with your asinine mockery of the idea of 'sending their meat and two veg to Australasia'.Carnyx said:
In any case, the Aussies are exteemely fussy about importing fresh foods. Major biohazards to their agricultures and ecosystems.Mexicanpete said:
In that case we are going to be b****red after the next Scottish Indy Ref.HYUFD said:
Australia has no whisky brand in the top 25 best selling worldwide, Scotland has 6Mexicanpete said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_whiskyHYUFD said:
There is plenty of Welsh Lamb and British Beef here too though on that logic but not much Salmon or Whisky or Pheasant in Australia and NZ but more than enough of that here for exportkjh said:
I'm struggling with the logic there. You import things you don't have, have a shortage in or which is cheaper elsewhere. You export for the reverse reasons. You don't export what you don't have or have a shortage in or which is more expensive than the importer can produce it for. So the logic of if we can import something from someone we can also export it to them is odd. Although will happen a little, particularly if we/they add value, but generally we won't export much lamb to New Zealand. It is 'Coals to Newcastle' scenario. It will happen and kudos if you achieve it, but it isn't normal.Luckyguy1983 said:
Your post indicates you find selling food to Australia and NZ unlikely - so why the danger of a flood of Australian beef and New Zealand lamb to our plucky farmers? If food can be imported from there, it can also be exported to there.Carnyx said:
We had someone yesterday claiming that stopping UK farmers from exporting to the EU and getting in cheap labour from the EU was great. Because they could send their meat and two veg to Australasia instead.Dura_Ace said:Joining the EU would help.
I wonder what he'd have said if Musk City had been started on Mars.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/07/05/best-selling-whisky-brands-top-25/
The combination of disregard of food security and damage to the food and farming industry is really worrying.
It isn't a restricted market for most food exporters, so that's totally irrelevant. And the 'uuge distances involved didn't trouble you when (as I mentioned) you prophesied a flood of Australasian meat putting our farms out of business.
You flagrantly take opposing sides of the same argument in your Gollum-like insistence that EU-membership is the only path to prosperity.
On the wider topic the idea that exports from the UK to Australia had anything like the relevance to exports to the EU bizarre. We gain a very little and lose a lot.0 -
Jimmy Carter anecdote:
When he visited the north east, I saw his motorcade heading down the Gateshead Western Bypass.3 -
There's a film clip doing the rounds on X of that Carter visit to NE and opening a speech with 'Ha'way the lads' and Jim Callaghan laughing behind.SandyRentool said:Jimmy Carter anecdote:
When he visited the north east, I saw his motorcade heading down the Gateshead Western Bypass.
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Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
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He visited, appropriately enough, Washington Old Hall. Planted a tree, I think. While he was cheered, rather unsportingly the crowd gave Callaghan the bird.rottenborough said:
There's a film clip doing the rounds on X of that Carter visit to NE and opening a speech with 'Ha'way the lads' and Jim Callaghan laughing behind.SandyRentool said:Jimmy Carter anecdote:
When he visited the north east, I saw his motorcade heading down the Gateshead Western Bypass.0 -
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
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BBC Archive
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Former US President Jimmy Carter has died, aged 100.
In 1976, while a presidential candidate, he spoke to The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris in Macon, Georgia, about rock music and its cultural influence.
https://x.com/BBCArchive/status/1873495633807528390
"music has had a profound effect not only on young people, but old people like me "
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No way he wrote that.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
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I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.6 -
OT someone is setting off fireworks at 11pm. No idea why.0
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It’s New Years week, clearly, just like we have Black Friday fortnight now.DecrepiterJohnL said:OT someone is setting off fireworks at 11pm. No idea why.
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And a reminder that Bob Harris is 79 in April.rottenborough said:
BBC Archive
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Former US President Jimmy Carter has died, aged 100.
In 1976, while a presidential candidate, he spoke to The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris in Macon, Georgia, about rock music and its cultural influence.
https://x.com/BBCArchive/status/1873495633807528390
"music has had a profound effect not only on young people, but old people like me "
1976.0 -
Carter was the first ex President to say he would attend Trump's 2016 inaugration ironically and I expect Trump remember that despite their deep political disagreements.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
Other remaining living ex President's also adding tributes:
"Laura and I send our heartfelt condolences to Jack, Chip, Jeff, Amy, and the entire Carter family.
“James Earl Carter, Jr., was a man of deeply held convictions. He was loyal to his family, his community, and his country. President Carter dignified the office. And his efforts to leave behind a better world didn’t end with the presidency. His work with Habitat for Humanity and the Carter Center set an example of service that will inspire Americans for generations.
"We join our fellow citizens in giving thanks for Jimmy Carter and in prayer for his family.”
https://x.com/TheBushCenter/status/1873495619123188106
'Hillary's and my statement on the passing of President Jimmy Carter:'
https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1873488307595985007
'President Carter taught all of us what it means to live a life of grace, dignity, justice, and service. Michelle and I send our thoughts and prayers to the Carter family, and everyone who loved and learned from this remarkable man.'
https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1873499254309998688
President Biden also confirmed he would have a state funeral
https://x.com/POTUS/status/18735039777922255220 -
And you were right.spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
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Also a reminder of the soft power of the BBC.MarqueeMark said:
And a reminder that Bob Harris is 79 in April.rottenborough said:
BBC Archive
@BBCArchive
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23m
Former US President Jimmy Carter has died, aged 100.
In 1976, while a presidential candidate, he spoke to The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris in Macon, Georgia, about rock music and its cultural influence.
https://x.com/BBCArchive/status/1873495633807528390
"music has had a profound effect not only on young people, but old people like me "
1976.0 -
It did cross my mind that this is the fifth night of Chanukah (other spellings of the Jewish festival are available) but that would be a reason for fireworks when it got dark, as the next candle on the menorah was lit.turbotubbs said:
It’s New Years week, clearly, just like we have Black Friday fortnight now.DecrepiterJohnL said:OT someone is setting off fireworks at 11pm. No idea why.
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A sad day, truly. Compared to Musks "go f**k yourself in the face" from the other day - it really feels like the world has turned.HYUFD said:
Carter was the first ex President to say he would attend Trump's 2016 inaugration ironically and I expect Trump remember that despite their deep political disagreements.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
Other remaining living ex President's also adding tributes:
"Laura and I send our heartfelt condolences to Jack, Chip, Jeff, Amy, and the entire Carter family.
“James Earl Carter, Jr., was a man of deeply held convictions. He was loyal to his family, his community, and his country. President Carter dignified the office. And his efforts to leave behind a better world didn’t end with the presidency. His work with Habitat for Humanity and the Carter Center set an example of service that will inspire Americans for generations.
"We join our fellow citizens in giving thanks for Jimmy Carter and in prayer for his family.”
https://x.com/TheBushCenter/status/1873495619123188106
'Hillary's and my statement on the passing of President Jimmy Carter:'
https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1873488307595985007
'President Carter taught all of us what it means to live a life of grace, dignity, justice, and service. Michelle and I send our thoughts and prayers to the Carter family, and everyone who loved and learned from this remarkable man.'
https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1873499254309998688
President Biden also confirmed he would have a state funeral
https://x.com/POTUS/status/1873503977792225522
My next weeks drama TV is going to be a mix of :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Brand_(TV_series) for a bit of compromised righteousness.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059886/ for a bit of grounded door-knocking cynicism.
Hopefully in some way, it's what he would have recommended.2 -
No! YOU have some sort of hay-fever dust-in-the-eye allergy watery tear thing going on!rottenborough said:
BBC Archive
@BBCArchive
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Former US President Jimmy Carter has died, aged 100.
In 1976, while a presidential candidate, he spoke to The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris in Macon, Georgia, about rock music and its cultural influence.
https://x.com/BBCArchive/status/1873495633807528390
"music has had a profound effect not only on young people, but old people like me "
1976.
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I was just talking about the World Service to a youngster the other day. Still (IMHO) the best the BBC produces, but so very compromised by decisions down the years.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Also a reminder of the soft power of the BBC.MarqueeMark said:
And a reminder that Bob Harris is 79 in April.rottenborough said:
BBC Archive
@BBCArchive
·
23m
Former US President Jimmy Carter has died, aged 100.
In 1976, while a presidential candidate, he spoke to The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris in Macon, Georgia, about rock music and its cultural influence.
https://x.com/BBCArchive/status/1873495633807528390
"music has had a profound effect not only on young people, but old people like me "
1976.1 -
ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
Even when Trump is trying to be gracious, though, he can't stop making it about himself:
"Those of us who've been President know it's a very exclusive club"
In other words, I'm higher status than you, and have to show it even when I'm desperate to pretend I care.
A true narcissist even when he's trying to be nice.3 -
Other than the official statement has Trump commented off the cuff?MarqueeMark said:
And you were right.spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
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I dunno, the "only we can relate" bit sounds very Trump-like in the way it starts the message with self-aggrandisement; I don't think anybody ghostwriting a response for him would have put that in.rottenborough said:
No way he wrote that.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
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I despise the man, but that's a stretch.Fishing said:ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
Even when Trump is trying to be gracious, though, he can't stop making it about himself:
"Those of us who've been President know it's a very exclusive club"
In other words, I'm higher status than you, and have to show it even when I'm desperate to pretend I care.
A true narcissist even when he's trying to be nice.2 -
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.3 -
"Jimmy Carter, Champion of Deregulation" That's the title of a Phil Gramm WSJ op-ed, published October 1st:
First paragraph: "Jimmy Carter, who turns 100 on Oct. 1, doesn’t get enough credit for the quarter-century economic boom from 1983 to 2008 and the underlying resilience of the economy since. Without Mr. Carter’s deregulation of airlines, trucking, railroads, energy and communications, America might not have had the ability to diversify its economy and lead the world in high-tech development when our postwar domination of manufacturing ended in the late 1970s. The Carter deregulation helped fuel the Reagan economic renaissance and continues to make possible the powerful innovations that remake our world."
I have long agreed with that conclusion. It is good to see Gramm -- who was not a Carter supporter -- make this argument, while Carter was still alive.
(For the record: I have long thought that Carter had a mixed record as president -- and as ex-president. I thought his fight against the Guinea worm was admirable -- but I also thought that he was wrong to negotiate with North Korea during the Clinton administration.)2 -
Calley died this year. Interestingly, he did eventually apologise, at a speaking engagement in 2009:Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32514139
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Not really, that was my response to it too, he's making it about himself even while paying tribute.ohnotnow said:
I despise the man, but that's a stretch.Fishing said:ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
Even when Trump is trying to be gracious, though, he can't stop making it about himself:
"Those of us who've been President know it's a very exclusive club"
In other words, I'm higher status than you, and have to show it even when I'm desperate to pretend I care.
A true narcissist even when he's trying to be nice.
Once a narcissist, always a narcissist.1 -
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He only served four years - which was a mark of how little much of America cared at the time.carnforth said:
Calley died this year. Interestingly, he did eventually apologise, at a speaking engagement in 2009:Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32514139
(Why anyone wanted him to speak, who knows....)
And the reality, of course, is that My Lai was far from the exception. The civilian death toll was appalling - and a result of deliberate (though long obfuscated) US policy.1 -
Some of you may be aware of Andre Dutra, a YouTuber who has carved a niche on medium-form essays on US Presidents. His video on Jimmy Carter is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqgL950ZH481
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It doesn't seem to apply in the uk !NickPalmer said:
That sounds actually reasonable. Withholding judgment on the new regime still seems the right course.ydoethur said:#notatallbehavinglikeadictator
New elections could take up to four years, Syria rebel leader says https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g29e1lejvo
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It is perhaps not too fantastic to think that, had he lived another few years, Carter's work against neglected tropical diseases (NTDs) and the seemingly imminent eradication of Guinea worm disease might have brought him a second Nobel prize.Taz said:A fantastic legacy for Jimmy Carter
RIP
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RIP Jimmy Carter. One of the last of the good people, who went into US politics for the right reasons, and who also achieved an awful lot after leaving office rather then simply looking to make himself wealthy.8
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Putin’s slowly losing the few friends he has left, today it’s Azeri president Ilham Aliyev.
Azerbaijan has formally accused Russia of killing dozens of Azeri citizens by shooting at a commercial plane, then refusing to let the damaged plane land in Russia and sending it across the sea to Khazakhstan. The pilots managed to crash land the plane at the first airport there, despite having very little control left, and it was obviously covered in damage from a missile strike.
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/18733287622945592220 -
The Azeris are hardly friends of the Russians. They have been industriously overrunning the Russian client state of Armenia (with some rather brutal ethnic cleansing along the way).Sandpit said:Putin’s slowly losing the few friends he has left, today it’s Azeri president Ilham Aliyev.
Azerbaijan has formally accused Russia of killing dozens of Azeri citizens by shooting at a commercial plane, then refusing to let the damaged plane land in Russia and sending it across the sea to Khazakhstan. The pilots managed to crash land the plane at the first airport there, despite having very little control left, and it was obviously covered in damage from a missile strike.
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1873328762294559222
Doesn’t mean of course that they’re wrong about the airliner or that they haven’t every right to be pissed off about it.0 -
It's been reported that Putin has already rejected Trump's 'peace' plan for the Russia-Ukraine war. A plan that gave Russia a heck of a lot, and Ukraine very little.
What does Trump do now? Bend over even more to accommodate Putin?0 -
Still had a decent arm in his seventies.
1995 World Series, Game 6
Former President Jimmy Carter
throws out the first pitch.
https://x.com/BravesOnWTBS/status/1873503170540032322
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Maybe somebody takes him to one side - and explains how many Americans are employed in making replacement weapons for the old stock and missiles inventory going to Ukraine.JosiasJessop said:It's been reported that Putin has already rejected Trump's 'peace' plan for the Russia-Ukraine war. A plan that gave Russia a heck of a lot, and Ukraine very little.
What does Trump do now? Bend over even more to accommodate Putin?1 -
Labour plans to make the national curriculum more "diverse":
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/12/29/labour-national-curriculum-diversity-bridget-phillipson/0 -
What happened to Ken Burns Vietnam series on Netflix?Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
It was on there a couple of years ago, and then suddenly disappeared.0 -
I will write a header on the issues arising from this and Philipson's really silly article yesterday when I have a moment (probably tomorrow) and let TSE have it in case it's of interest.Casino_Royale said:Labour plans to make the national curriculum more "diverse":
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/12/29/labour-national-curriculum-diversity-bridget-phillipson/
So far Phillipson is coming across as a more complacent version of Michael Gove, which confirms me in my view that it's the system not the personnel that's the problem.3 -
The streaming companies apparently have a habit of putting series up, finding they are not popular enough, then placing them in /dev/null, instead of just leaving them up at virtually zero cost to them. Their idea is that viewers want 'new' content, so they prioritise that.Casino_Royale said:
What happened to Ken Burns Vietnam series on Netflix?Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
It was on there a couple of years ago, and then suddenly disappeared.
In this case, it may also be something to do with licencing agreements.1 -
Depends on what blackmail material Putin has on him.JosiasJessop said:It's been reported that Putin has already rejected Trump's 'peace' plan for the Russia-Ukraine war. A plan that gave Russia a heck of a lot, and Ukraine very little.
What does Trump do now? Bend over even more to accommodate Putin?0 -
India lose the Test against Australia.
They can still mathematically qualify for the WTC final but it looks a long shot. It relies on Sri Lanka beating Australia and even with home advantage that will be a big ask.
The scorecard shows the folly of adding more batting at the expense of your bowling. India had only three frontline bowlers, because they were worried about top order collapses.
The real issue of course is that Rohit Sharma is an absolute liability as a captain and with the bat. But nobody seems willing to tell him time's up (just as, ten years ago, nobody told him his constant failures meant he needed to be left out to make room for Pujara).
It's cost India dear. My worry is that he will finally realise it and retire just before they visit England...
Edit - reports that he has decided to retire after the next test. Four tests too late...0 -
A view of how America grow. Not one I would subscribe but may explain Musks love of H1B.
“It is the American way of doing business and creating wealth: attract people to come, exploit them, and then consider them parasites. They did it to the Chinese in 1870 and to Black Africans during slavery. It’s an old story. It’s important to me that Latinos know it wasn’t just us.”
https://english.elpais.com/culture/2024-06-15/hector-tobar-writer-and-journalist-the-united-states-has-made-being-white-akin-to-owning-property-a-very-valuable-asset.html#?rel=mas0 -
Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-1702018192 -
Torrent it. Paying for it is woke virtue signalling.Casino_Royale said:
What happened to Ken Burns Vietnam series on Netflix?Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
It was on there a couple of years ago, and then suddenly disappeared.0 -
Struggling to care about Jimmy Carter. I was more bothered when Lil Peep died, TBH.0
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Specially for @TSE (it's the sort of thing that interests him even if this sort of poll doesn't mean much years ahead of the actual election)
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24822370.john-curtice-gives-verdict-holyrood-poll-predicting-yes-majority/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=301224
Edit: Though see this - not what some on here have been opining in re Reform. Which is what I'd expect given the importance of the Yes/No questions.
'Curtice, a professor of politics at Strathclyde University considered the UK’s foremost polling expert, said the polling data showed Reform gaining especially from the Conservatives, but also from Labour and the LibDems, while hardly any SNP voters were switching to the party.
He noted that Labour appeared to be losing voters to Reform, the Conservatives, and the SNP.'0 -
I see Poroshenko the Chocolate King is jockeying for position in new post-SMO reality. He did a long interview on Kanal 5 (which he conveniently owns) in which he slagged off Big Z's handling of the sitch and said Ukraine should have done a deal in September 2022 when they were in their strongest position. He also blabbed some technical details regarding HIMARS and counter-measures. The lack of counter-counter-measures was why Pavliuk got sacked as CinC, Ground Forces last month apparently. It'll all be over by Xmas.ydoethur said:
Depends on what blackmail material Putin has on him.JosiasJessop said:It's been reported that Putin has already rejected Trump's 'peace' plan for the Russia-Ukraine war. A plan that gave Russia a heck of a lot, and Ukraine very little.
What does Trump do now? Bend over even more to accommodate Putin?0 -
Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.2 -
But he’s gained other friends in high places: Trump, Gabbard, Hegseth, Vance…Sandpit said:Putin’s slowly losing the few friends he has left, today it’s Azeri president Ilham Aliyev.
Azerbaijan has formally accused Russia of killing dozens of Azeri citizens by shooting at a commercial plane, then refusing to let the damaged plane land in Russia and sending it across the sea to Khazakhstan. The pilots managed to crash land the plane at the first airport there, despite having very little control left, and it was obviously covered in damage from a missile strike.
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/18733287622945592220 -
It's not news how shite the BBC is so why tune in to it?boulay said:Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.
We've cancelled our licence fee and just don't watch or listen to it, so it can wither and die for all I care.
If you are interested in sport there's far better ways of getting yesterday's results yesterday than listening to someone drone on, on the radio, anyway.0 -
AFAICR Poroshenko was *not* saying that in 2022.Dura_Ace said:
I see Poroshenko the Chocolate King is jockeying for position in new post-SMO reality. He did a long interview on Kanal 5 (which he conveniently owns) in which he slagged off Big Z's handling of the sitch and said Ukraine should have done a deal in September 2022 when they were in their strongest position. He also blabbed some technical details regarding HIMARS and counter-measures. The lack of counter-counter-measures was why Pavliuk got sacked as CinC, Ground Forces last month apparently. It'll all be over by Xmas.ydoethur said:
Depends on what blackmail material Putin has on him.JosiasJessop said:It's been reported that Putin has already rejected Trump's 'peace' plan for the Russia-Ukraine war. A plan that gave Russia a heck of a lot, and Ukraine very little.
What does Trump do now? Bend over even more to accommodate Putin?
He's an interesting bloke, who has managed the feat of being in trouble with both Ukraine *and* Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko#Post-presidency_(2019–present)0 -
boulay said:
Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.
Such a gammony take.
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These are private companies. Britain isn’t selling them. They are not Britains to sell.WhisperingOracle said:Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-170201819
What do you propose. We simply bar foreign companies from acquiring any business or start up ? Why shouldn’t the business owners reap the reward for their endeavour.
His piece has a slight tinge of anti Americanism.
You just have to look at the stock market to see the U.K. does not value its companies. If we don’t value them others will.
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Конечно. If he were honest and consistent he would never have got anywhere in politics. Particularly Ukrainian politics.JosiasJessop said:
AFAICR Poroshenko was *not* saying that in 2022.Dura_Ace said:
I see Poroshenko the Chocolate King is jockeying for position in new post-SMO reality. He did a long interview on Kanal 5 (which he conveniently owns) in which he slagged off Big Z's handling of the sitch and said Ukraine should have done a deal in September 2022 when they were in their strongest position. He also blabbed some technical details regarding HIMARS and counter-measures. The lack of counter-counter-measures was why Pavliuk got sacked as CinC, Ground Forces last month apparently. It'll all be over by Xmas.ydoethur said:
Depends on what blackmail material Putin has on him.JosiasJessop said:It's been reported that Putin has already rejected Trump's 'peace' plan for the Russia-Ukraine war. A plan that gave Russia a heck of a lot, and Ukraine very little.
What does Trump do now? Bend over even more to accommodate Putin?
In September 2022 he was one of Green T-Shirt's biggest cheerleaders, surpassing even your Stakhanovite efforts, but now it's not looking so good he's going all I-told-you-so with one eye on becoming president of all the smouldering rubble.0 -
I do wonder about the BBC.
I have older relatives who have been nostalgic, still-loyal fans of the more highbrow BBC up to its 1990's period, still hoping for something better.
But my cousin of thar demographic said last night's Maria Callas night is the first thing she's watched for months. BBC4, for instance, should be a treasure trove of challenging archive material from that era, but many nights it's jusr hours of Top of the.Pops, Keeping Up Appearances and TheTwo Ronnies.0 -
The BBC had completely lost the plot afaiac. I know this as I am turning off the BBC both on radio and TV far more frequently as I find the style and content of broadcasting infuriating. I think woke covers most of it.BartholomewRoberts said:
It's not news how shite the BBC is so why tune in to it?boulay said:Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.
We've cancelled our licence fee and just don't watch or listen to it, so it can wither and die for all I care.
If you are interested in sport there's far better ways of getting yesterday's results yesterday than listening to someone drone on, on the radio, anyway.
That said I watched a programme last night about Maria Callas which I found very interesting.
I Player is the answer to the BBC as one can pick the few good bits out of the pile of woke shite.0 -
Guest editor, today on Today.boulay said:Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.0 -
..And the younger demographic increasingly watches streaming outers only.
The channel controllers are increasingly alienating both a younger.and older demographic.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Isn't Hutton the chap who ran a century-old economics thinktank into bankruptcy?Taz said:
These are private companies. Britain isn’t selling them. They are not Britains to sell.WhisperingOracle said:Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-170201819
What do you propose. We simply bar foreign companies from acquiring any business or start up ? Why shouldn’t the business owners reap the reward for their endeavour.
His piece has a slight tinge of anti Americanism.
You just have to look at the stock market to see the U.K. does not value its companies. If we don’t value them others will.1 -
You never had much time for submariners ?Dura_Ace said:Struggling to care about Jimmy Carter. I was more bothered when Lil Peep died, TBH.
Shocked.
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/18736288340982663960 -
I feel crushed. Not gammony at all to point out that the sports bulletin should probably be about sports and not one human culture story - the rest of the show is there for that.Dura_Ace said:boulay said:Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.
Such a gammony take.
The irony of you of all people trying to compare someone to Clarkson though is pretty strong - I mean a car obsessed, quasi rebellious, minor public schoolboy with access to plenty of money to enjoy his pursuits and whims and cock a snook at the rules and norms - you could almost be twins.
I shall try and summon up my inner rebel with your guidance.3 -
Another one dissing Dame Floella.squareroot2 said:
The BBC had completely lost the plot afaiac. I know this as I am turning off the BBC both on radio and TV far more frequently as I find the style and content of broadcasting infuriating. I think woke covers most of it.BartholomewRoberts said:
It's not news how shite the BBC is so why tune in to it?boulay said:Rejoice. After over 100 years of existence the BBC has finally worked out what listeners to their sports bulletin really want to hear about. This morning they gave the entirety of the sports bulletin, not to any of that footballers kicking balls, rugby players scoring tries and cricketers getting injured to the only sports news that can be called sports news, some random Brazilian men’s pro player has come out as gay.
That was apparently the sport.
They really don’t get it do they? If they feel it’s an important cultural and sporting milestone thendo an article about it in the larger show but there was plenty of sport to report on from yesterday and this was dumped for something that was clearly more important to the editors of Today.
We've cancelled our licence fee and just don't watch or listen to it, so it can wither and die for all I care.
If you are interested in sport there's far better ways of getting yesterday's results yesterday than listening to someone drone on, on the radio, anyway.
That said I watched a programme last night about Maria Callas which I found very interesting.
I Player is the answer to the BBC as one can pick the few good bits out of the pile of woke shite.
For shame.0 -
But ypu're proposing exactly a kind of free-market fundamentalism that the U.S. itself doesn't practice, nor any of our neighbours. How have we arrived at this odd consensus ? Whether people believe private control all business decisions is some kind of religious, sacred good or not, the U.S. itself keeps a closer eye than us on sttategic private assets, as do all our neighbours, and it"s hardly North Korea.Taz said:
These are private companies. Britain isn’t selling them. They are not Britains to sell.WhisperingOracle said:Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-170201819
What do you propose. We simply bar foreign companies from acquiring any business or start up ? Why shouldn’t the business owners reap the reward for their endeavour.
His piece has a slight tinge of anti Americanism.
You just have to look at the stock market to see the U.K. does not value its companies. If we don’t value them others will.
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I have also read the theory that they do it to be able to write the show off as a loss for tax purposes, but that seems unlikely to apply in the Ken Burns case; it might be a factor for unpopular show made by the streaming service themselves, though.JosiasJessop said:
The streaming companies apparently have a habit of putting series up, finding they are not popular enough, then placing them in /dev/null, instead of just leaving them up at virtually zero cost to them. Their idea is that viewers want 'new' content, so they prioritise that.Casino_Royale said:
What happened to Ken Burns Vietnam series on Netflix?Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
It was on there a couple of years ago, and then suddenly disappeared.
In this case, it may also be something to do with licencing agreements.
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Some of their own presenters are bad enough - I can't make out much of Emma Barnett's wittering - but the idea of "guest editing" the Today programme is a real bummer
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Been happening every Christmas-New Year for ages.geoffw said:Some of their own presenters are bad enough - I can't make out much of Emma Barnett's wittering - but the idea of "guest editing" the Today programme is a real bummer
Ian Botham was shite; Björn was great.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Today_programme_guest_editors
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Anyone who rides around on an aircraft carrier does *not* like submariners.Nigelb said:
You never had much time for submariners ?Dura_Ace said:Struggling to care about Jimmy Carter. I was more bothered when Lil Peep died, TBH.
Shocked.
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It's Twixtmas, there's no real news this week, presumably a lot of the regular staff want a bit of a break as well. The guest editor can suggest ideas well in advance, and the features can be pre-prepped.geoffw said:Some of their own presenters are bad enough - I can't make out much of Emma Barnett's wittering - but the idea of "guest editing" the Today programme is a real bummer
There's a lot to be said for the honesty of the Radio 4 six o'clock news- replace the second half of the bulletin with a reading of a wombles story.2 -
I was in a submarine yesterday. Well, in a video game. And it started out as a sloop...2
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Thanks. Irritates me.JosiasJessop said:
The streaming companies apparently have a habit of putting series up, finding they are not popular enough, then placing them in /dev/null, instead of just leaving them up at virtually zero cost to them. Their idea is that viewers want 'new' content, so they prioritise that.Casino_Royale said:
What happened to Ken Burns Vietnam series on Netflix?Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
It was on there a couple of years ago, and then suddenly disappeared.
In this case, it may also be something to do with licencing agreements.
This is why I haven't junked my DVDs.1 -
Not Cornelius van Drebbel's in 1620?Morris_Dancer said:I was in a submarine yesterday. Well, in a video game. And it started out as a sloop...
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Good piece on Netflix, explaining why it’s an ocean of dreck.
https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/0 -
I'm afraid not. On a related tangent, one of the most interesting things I read in The Blue Book of the War was the little British subs having shenanigans against the Turks.Carnyx said:
Not Cornelius van Drebbel's in 1620?Morris_Dancer said:I was in a submarine yesterday. Well, in a video game. And it started out as a sloop...
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Doesn't that rather confirm rather than refute the point made by boulay that the story should be in the main programme and not the sports?Stuartinromford said:
It's Twixtmas, there's no real news this week, presumably a lot of the regular staff want a bit of a break as well. The guest editor can suggest ideas well in advance, and the features can be pre-prepped.geoffw said:Some of their own presenters are bad enough - I can't make out much of Emma Barnett's wittering - but the idea of "guest editing" the Today programme is a real bummer
There's a lot to be said for the honesty of the Radio 4 six o'clock news- replace the second half of the bulletin with a reading of a wombles story.
There may be not much real news going on, but there's certainly real sport going on. Football, cricket and much more all played within last 24 hours.1 -
Read the piece I just posted.pm215 said:
I have also read the theory that they do it to be able to write the show off as a loss for tax purposes, but that seems unlikely to apply in the Ken Burns case; it might be a factor for unpopular show made by the streaming service themselves, though.JosiasJessop said:
The streaming companies apparently have a habit of putting series up, finding they are not popular enough, then placing them in /dev/null, instead of just leaving them up at virtually zero cost to them. Their idea is that viewers want 'new' content, so they prioritise that.Casino_Royale said:
What happened to Ken Burns Vietnam series on Netflix?Richard_Tyndall said:
Strangely this is the second time today that Jimmy Carter has come to my attention. The first sadly was a case of disappointment. I have been watching the brilliant Ken Burns Vietnam series on PBS yet again and one of the episodes today coverd the My Lai massacres where 504 unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children were shot and bayoneted to death. Out of interest I went to see what happend to Lt Calley who was heavily involved in and commanded part of the massacre and was saddened to see that Carter, as then Governor of Georgia was amongst those who defended Calley and thought his 20 year sentance too harsh. He instigated the American Fighting Man's Day as a show of support for those accused of the massacre.ohnotnow said:
I think that's the most gracious I've ever seen Trump talk about someone. I only have faint childhood memories of Carter - mostly in relation to him losing to Reagan. But he always seemed to me to be an honourable, dedicated man.Driver said:
Well, we could look at what he's actually said, rather than speculating (fun though that undoubtedly is):LostPassword said:p
Do you? You don't think there might be a bit of the John McCain's about his response, given the Iranian embassy siege?spudgfsh said:
I expect Trump to be surprisingly statesmanlike about it.MarqueeMark said:Carter's funeral will add an air of somenity to the handover period that has been somewhat lacking due to the nature of Trump's picks for office.
Which is quite rare at those heights. RIP.
I don't in any way think this negates the good Carter did later but it was a very poor error of judgement and one that, for me, somewhat diminishes him as a person.
It was on there a couple of years ago, and then suddenly disappeared.
In this case, it may also be something to do with licencing agreements.
They really don’t care about popularity.1 -
Quite the intelligence coup.
Chinese hackers used broad telco access to geolocate millions of Americans and record phone calls
The number of telecommunication providers impacted by the massive Salt Typhoon breach is now up to nine, deputy national security adviser for cyber and emerging technology Anne Neuberger confirmed.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/27/chinese-hackers-telco-access-00196082
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This a great article.Nigelb said:Good piece on Netflix, explaining why it’s an ocean of dreck.
https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/
I recommend the British Film Institute's streaming channel, as well as MUBI for more challenging material.
The French/German consortium I think behind Canal+ is also about to launch a more challenging an ambitious streaming service for the U.K.3 -
In the Sea of Marmara? Quite. There's at least one history/memoir of that episode. Ripping yarn quite apart from anything else.Morris_Dancer said:
I'm afraid not. On a related tangent, one of the most interesting things I read in The Blue Book of the War was the little British subs having shenanigans against the Turks.Carnyx said:
Not Cornelius van Drebbel's in 1620?Morris_Dancer said:I was in a submarine yesterday. Well, in a video game. And it started out as a sloop...
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Although it's a good point; we're not particularly interested in building long-term business success.Taz said:
These are private companies. Britain isn’t selling them. They are not Britains to sell.WhisperingOracle said:Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-170201819
What do you propose. We simply bar foreign companies from acquiring any business or start up ? Why shouldn’t the business owners reap the reward for their endeavour.
His piece has a slight tinge of anti Americanism.
You just have to look at the stock market to see the U.K. does not value its companies. If we don’t value them others will.
Part of me wonders if it's still a residual prejudice against "trade"; we still value professions like being a doctor, lawyer, banker or accountant far more than business here.1 -
It's the Daily Express of the streaming world.Nigelb said:Good piece on Netflix, explaining why it’s an ocean of dreck.
https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/
If I cancelled it (which I want to do, my wife does not) I wouldn't miss it in the slightest.0 -
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That’s not a great refutation of the case, though, since the process has been going on for four decades.Taz said:
These are private companies. Britain isn’t selling them. They are not Britains to sell.WhisperingOracle said:Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-170201819
What do you propose. We simply bar foreign companies from acquiring any business or start up ? Why shouldn’t the business owners reap the reward for their endeavour.
His piece has a slight tinge of anti Americanism.
You just have to look at the stock market to see the U.K. does not value its companies. If we don’t value them others will.
And it’s not anti-American to point out that’s where most of our growth industries have ended up.
The point is that it’s a serious structural problem that has needed addressing for a long time, and has been ignored.
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Shot of a PeeWee dolly. But is it art?Nigelb said:Good piece on Netflix, explaining why it’s an ocean of dreck.
https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/0 -
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He’s wrong to say Britain is selling them off. These are private/listed companies being acquired.Nigelb said:
That’s not a great refutation of the case, though, since the process has been going on for four decades.Taz said:
These are private companies. Britain isn’t selling them. They are not Britains to sell.WhisperingOracle said:Morning PBers.
An excellent article from Will Hutton on hoe Britain, unlike almost all.its peers, continues to sell off its most strategic assets, thinking thar this is the American-style free market; except the Americans themselves don't do anything like this.
Starmer has appointed the Head of Microsoft UK, to head up the industrial strategy Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/29/britain-great-again-stop-flogging-our-top-companies-to-the-us#comment-170201819
What do you propose. We simply bar foreign companies from acquiring any business or start up ? Why shouldn’t the business owners reap the reward for their endeavour.
His piece has a slight tinge of anti Americanism.
You just have to look at the stock market to see the U.K. does not value its companies. If we don’t value them others will.
And it’s not anti-American to point out that’s where most of our growth industries have ended up.
The point is that it’s a serious structural problem that has needed addressing for a long time, and has been ignored.
All his column is really is a whine about British companies being bought by US companies.
He offers no solution anyway I am hardly refuting the case just pointing out one of the reasons.
There are things we can do but companies don’t want to list here and access to capital when in growth phase is not great.
We do not value business or industry and profit is seen as a dirty word.
If we just legislate to stop these acquisitions then you will see a dearth of these new businesses.
Instead of asking pen pushing regulators how to drive growth as people who have grown businesses SKS.
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