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It’s difficult to make predictions, especially about the future… – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,229
edited December 2024 in General
imageIt’s difficult to make predictions, especially about the future… – politicalbetting.com

…so said Niels Bohr.  Or Karl Kristian Steincke, or a Danish proverb – take your pick.  In any event, PB posters found it rather tough to make accurate predictions this year. 

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,306
    Joint 50th. Things can only get better.
  • Congrats Mr. Alan, and thanks to Mr. Pointer (and Mr. Eagles).

    Pleased to get the inflation spot on. I think, could be wrong, that I called Trump as well.
  • Joint 50th. Things can only get better.

    Ah, I missed the spreadsheet initially.

    13th for me. Seems fitting.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,250

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    Particularly the dependents of ophthalmologists. No wonder Britain’s eyes are in a poor state.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,318
    20 points for me. In the relegation zone like my team 🙄

    A good year for the Lib Dems, and for me personally.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,318

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,656
    The full video of the New Glenn test fire:
    https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1872824935732916265?t=fktYUdAujjEzbkQc_MNRnQ

    Quite a rumble.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    Good morning everyone, and thanks for the header.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,318
    edited December 2024
    One cheerful prediction to solve the pensions crisis:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/27/godfather-of-ai-raises-odds-of-the-technology-wiping-out-humanity-over-next-30-years?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Incidentally, at the risk of saying Beetleguese the picture in the header looks AI, but a rather good example.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,306
    Hats off to Kemi Badenoch for publicising how easy it is to join Reform. It appears to be paying dividends, with a surge in new members.
  • Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,600

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
  • Thank you Benpointer. I came mid-table but Mystic Meg I'm not. Looking forward to staring into the tea leaves again this year.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    edited December 2024
    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,250
    Sean_F said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
    Last time I was in hospital, with multiple broken ribs, the surgeon who assessed me was Syrian. He had that rather handsome, aristocratic bearing you get in some Levantine Arabs. I assume it was less stressful working the A&E late shift at Lewisham hospital than dealing with the aftermath of regime chemical attacks or Russian carpet bombing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,190
    Joint 72nd !!
  • MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    I don't know the answer to your question, but I'd guess Farage would see this more as an opportunity for free publicity than an opportunity to spend money on lawyers.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,111
    edited December 2024
    Good morning, everybody and well done to the winner & runners-up.

    I didn't enter as I knew my score would be zero. Nothing heroic about not having a go!

    Edited to correct autocorrect.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    edited December 2024
    Taz said:

    Joint 72nd !!

    Where's the ranking?

    (Or am I being played :wink: )

    Update: Found it. Bloody people using more than one tab in a spreasheet.

    Having found it, I don't want to know ! 72nd equal - I was too pessimistic for the Lab majority by some way, and too pessimistic for the deficit by about £20 bn.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,071
    Still very mild down here. Great-spotted Woodpecker was drumming this morning - a good month early.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    edited December 2024
    FPT On @ohnotnow 's question about information on Telegraph podcasts around Ukraine / the Military, since I posted it at an unearthly hour last night.
    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "ONS civil servants still working from home despite year of mistakes

    Daily average attendance as low as 5pc in some offices, with attendance rates averaging less than 10pc in other buildings"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/26/ons-civil-servants-work-from-home-despite-year-of-mistakes/

    1 It's the Telegrunt.
    2 Do people add up better if you force them into offices?
    3 The "as low as 5%" in the headline turns into an average of nearly 20% in the article.
    4 We get Bufton Tufton MP saying the first half of (summarised) "This Labour Government have failed to do in 3 months ... what the previous Conservative Government failed to do in X years".
    5 They manage to get in both that the offices are too small, and that they are empty.
    6 But Immigration, hit on a Department, hit on the Civil Service, hit on a Trade Union, and hit on the Govt ... they are in clover.

    Article
    https://archive.is/20241226161656/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/26/ons-civil-servants-work-from-home-despite-year-of-mistakes/

    It's a bit like this one from two months ago, on OFGEM:
    https://archive.is/20241010112346/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/energy/ofgem-blows-35m-year-on-empty-office/

    Do you suppose they are training an AI?

    :wink:
    I listen to (or try to) the Telegraph's podcast just to try and balance out my feeds. Listening to their columnists toe the line and rant about WFH while they're clearly dialling in to the show over zoom with a bad laptop microphone really grates my gears though.
    I very highly recommend their military / foreign policy podcasts, but I don't know about their business ones, and the "what's on today" ones are a bit loopy *.

    * The Daily T shares Camilla Tominey with GB News. But they do not have Mike Graham yet.
    Do you have the name of those? The Telegraph one I found was, unironically, "Planet Normal".
    Telegraph Military Podcasts. Also on Spotify etc.

    Ukraine the Latest. This is each weekday around the Ukraine War. 30-60 minutes, and running since the start - they are now at day 1038, which will be episode 750 approx. The format is

    "Military News" (10 minutes),
    "Political News" (10 minutes),
    1 or 2 Interviews or Features (15-30 minutes - Today's is an interview with a beautician turned explosive ordnance educator now working for their Ukraine Christmas Charity, Humanity & Inclusion, with background cat). They have a wide variety of interviewees over time, from top politicians or military to people like today's. Host is a stand-in associate for Christmas.
    "Final Thoughts" - today's participant reflections.

    Their favourite final question is: "Is there anything we have not asked about which you think our listeners ought to know?", which is a good consistent bulwark against open-ended anti silo/unconscious editorial bias.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVCYlsANGtNkzMeM9Fdmqzxr

    Battle Lines

    Roughly weekly, sometimes with specials. Deeper focuses on particular subjects. Conflict, military and sometimes related politics. Recently quite a lot around the Middle East. 30 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVAif-vifC6F2aoPB8GIw6dk

    You found Perfectly Normal, which is Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan.

    There is also the Daily T, which is Camilla Tominey and Kamal (I think) Ahmed.

    The Telegraph's own index page of podcasts, free to view, is here:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/podcasts/

    HTH

  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,551
    WooHoo! I'll take joint second.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    MattW said:

    FPT On @ohnotnow 's question about information on Telegraph podcasts around Ukraine / the Military, since I posted it at an unearthly hour last night.

    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "ONS civil servants still working from home despite year of mistakes

    Daily average attendance as low as 5pc in some offices, with attendance rates averaging less than 10pc in other buildings"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/26/ons-civil-servants-work-from-home-despite-year-of-mistakes/

    1 It's the Telegrunt.
    2 Do people add up better if you force them into offices?
    3 The "as low as 5%" in the headline turns into an average of nearly 20% in the article.
    4 We get Bufton Tufton MP saying the first half of (summarised) "This Labour Government have failed to do in 3 months ... what the previous Conservative Government failed to do in X years".
    5 They manage to get in both that the offices are too small, and that they are empty.
    6 But Immigration, hit on a Department, hit on the Civil Service, hit on a Trade Union, and hit on the Govt ... they are in clover.

    Article
    https://archive.is/20241226161656/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/26/ons-civil-servants-work-from-home-despite-year-of-mistakes/

    It's a bit like this one from two months ago, on OFGEM:
    https://archive.is/20241010112346/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/energy/ofgem-blows-35m-year-on-empty-office/

    Do you suppose they are training an AI?

    :wink:
    I listen to (or try to) the Telegraph's podcast just to try and balance out my feeds. Listening to their columnists toe the line and rant about WFH while they're clearly dialling in to the show over zoom with a bad laptop microphone really grates my gears though.
    I very highly recommend their military / foreign policy podcasts, but I don't know about their business ones, and the "what's on today" ones are a bit loopy *.

    * The Daily T shares Camilla Tominey with GB News. But they do not have Mike Graham yet.
    Do you have the name of those? The Telegraph one I found was, unironically, "Planet Normal".
    Telegraph Military Podcasts. Also on Spotify etc.

    Ukraine the Latest. This is each weekday around the Ukraine War. 30-60 minutes, and running since the start - they are now at day 1038, which will be episode 750 approx. The format is

    "Military News" (10 minutes),
    "Political News" (10 minutes),
    1 or 2 Interviews or Features (15-30 minutes - Today's is an interview with a beautician turned explosive ordnance educator now working for their Ukraine Christmas Charity, Humanity & Inclusion, with background cat). They have a wide variety of interviewees over time, from top politicians or military to people like today's. Host is a stand-in associate for Christmas.
    "Final Thoughts" - today's participant reflections.

    Their favourite final question is: "Is there anything we have not asked about which you think our listeners ought to know?", which is a good consistent bulwark against open-ended anti silo/unconscious editorial bias.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVCYlsANGtNkzMeM9Fdmqzxr

    Battle Lines

    Roughly weekly, sometimes with specials. Deeper focuses on particular subjects. Conflict, military and sometimes related politics. Recently quite a lot around the Middle East. 30 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVAif-vifC6F2aoPB8GIw6dk

    You found Perfectly Normal, which is Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan.

    There is also the Daily T, which is Camilla Tominey and Kamal (I think) Ahmed.

    The Telegraph's own index page of podcasts, free to view, is here:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/podcasts/

    HTH

    Typo: it should be: "a good consistent bulwark against unconscious editorial bias"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,050
    edited December 2024
    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,013
    edited December 2024
    Fantastic cricket match here in New Zealand.

    Sri Lanka had the Kiwis on the ropes with a 120 opening partnership. They have then lost six wickets adding just 34 runs and need 19 from 8 balls.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,251

    Hats off to Kemi Badenoch for publicising how easy it is to join Reform. It appears to be paying dividends, with a surge in new members.

    Well if you want to mix with common people....
  • stodge said:

    Fantastic cricket match here in New Zealand.

    Sri Lanka had the Kiwis on the ropes with a 120 opening partnership. They have then lost six wickets adding just 34 runs and need 19 from 8 balls.

    Yup, watching in on TNT Sports 1 here in the UK.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,113
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    FPT On @ohnotnow 's question about information on Telegraph podcasts around Ukraine / the Military, since I posted it at an unearthly hour last night.

    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "ONS civil servants still working from home despite year of mistakes

    Daily average attendance as low as 5pc in some offices, with attendance rates averaging less than 10pc in other buildings"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/26/ons-civil-servants-work-from-home-despite-year-of-mistakes/

    1 It's the Telegrunt.
    2 Do people add up better if you force them into offices?
    3 The "as low as 5%" in the headline turns into an average of nearly 20% in the article.
    4 We get Bufton Tufton MP saying the first half of (summarised) "This Labour Government have failed to do in 3 months ... what the previous Conservative Government failed to do in X years".
    5 They manage to get in both that the offices are too small, and that they are empty.
    6 But Immigration, hit on a Department, hit on the Civil Service, hit on a Trade Union, and hit on the Govt ... they are in clover.

    Article
    https://archive.is/20241226161656/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/26/ons-civil-servants-work-from-home-despite-year-of-mistakes/

    It's a bit like this one from two months ago, on OFGEM:
    https://archive.is/20241010112346/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/energy/ofgem-blows-35m-year-on-empty-office/

    Do you suppose they are training an AI?

    :wink:
    I listen to (or try to) the Telegraph's podcast just to try and balance out my feeds. Listening to their columnists toe the line and rant about WFH while they're clearly dialling in to the show over zoom with a bad laptop microphone really grates my gears though.
    I very highly recommend their military / foreign policy podcasts, but I don't know about their business ones, and the "what's on today" ones are a bit loopy *.

    * The Daily T shares Camilla Tominey with GB News. But they do not have Mike Graham yet.
    Do you have the name of those? The Telegraph one I found was, unironically, "Planet Normal".
    Telegraph Military Podcasts. Also on Spotify etc.

    Ukraine the Latest. This is each weekday around the Ukraine War. 30-60 minutes, and running since the start - they are now at day 1038, which will be episode 750 approx. The format is

    "Military News" (10 minutes),
    "Political News" (10 minutes),
    1 or 2 Interviews or Features (15-30 minutes - Today's is an interview with a beautician turned explosive ordnance educator now working for their Ukraine Christmas Charity, Humanity & Inclusion, with background cat). They have a wide variety of interviewees over time, from top politicians or military to people like today's. Host is a stand-in associate for Christmas.
    "Final Thoughts" - today's participant reflections.

    Their favourite final question is: "Is there anything we have not asked about which you think our listeners ought to know?", which is a good consistent bulwark against open-ended anti silo/unconscious editorial bias.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVCYlsANGtNkzMeM9Fdmqzxr

    Battle Lines

    Roughly weekly, sometimes with specials. Deeper focuses on particular subjects. Conflict, military and sometimes related politics. Recently quite a lot around the Middle East. 30 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJnf_DDTfIVAif-vifC6F2aoPB8GIw6dk

    You found Perfectly Normal, which is Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan.

    There is also the Daily T, which is Camilla Tominey and Kamal (I think) Ahmed.

    The Telegraph's own index page of podcasts, free to view, is here:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/podcasts/

    HTH

    Typo: it should be: "a good consistent bulwark against unconscious editorial bias"
    Thank you very much! Greatly appreciated!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,251
    Foxy said:

    One cheerful prediction to solve the pensions crisis:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/27/godfather-of-ai-raises-odds-of-the-technology-wiping-out-humanity-over-next-30-years?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Incidentally, at the risk of saying Beetleguese the picture in the header looks AI, but a rather good example.

    Though he still gives an 80 to 90% chance humanity will avoid extinction from AI over the next few decades.

    Congratulations No Offence Alan on your predictions for this year
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,515

    Joint 50th. Things can only get better.

    Optimist.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,551

    Joint 50th. Things can only get better.

    Only if you're really Prof. Brian Cox...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,013
    Now eight down. An England-style collapse from Sri Lanka.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,985

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,985
    Next year, I'm going to enter, and I'm determined to find a way to get minus points to beat BJO.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,013
    New Zealand win by eight runs. Sri Lanka went from 121-0 to 162-8.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,713
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,985
    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,533
    edited December 2024
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely, if you have to be unkind. Wind = 風 Kaze.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,985
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely. Wind = 風 Kaze.
    I'll take your word for it.

    Maybe I was thinking about Farage being all fart and no follow through.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,833

    Hats off to Kemi Badenoch for publicising how easy it is to join Reform. It appears to be paying dividends, with a surge in new members.

    Managing to get herself into a lawsuit with Farage over fucking Javascript, which she'll probably lose, two months into the job is really quite something.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,251
    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    There is an argument for the reverse, even if Reform have overtaken the Tories on members since the general election, the main shift in voters has been Labour to Reform.

    That means Kemi can get the Tories back over 200 MPs at the general election with FPTP without winning back a single voter the Tories have lost to Labour, the LDs or Reform
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,713
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    Are the rumours true that K3M1 was a rejected droid from the Star Wars sequels?
  • Blow your mind with the concept of Farage and Tim Stanley discussing what’s ‘cool’. Anyway, a useful corrective to the idea that de yoot are turning to Trump, Musk and their merry band of wankers.

    https://x.com/sundersays/status/1872941235381649673?s=46&t=fJymV-V84rexmlQMLXHHJQ
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,156
    edited December 2024
    Sadly I missed the competition myself, no doubt owing to being in Thailand and happy to get away from UK politics for a few weeks.

    Is there an objective way to score the entrants on the left/right spectrum?

    It would be fascinating to see if that is correlated with predictive accuracy and 80 or so is a reasonable sample size for a simple r^2.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,515
    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    edited December 2024

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    Does he threaten and make a business proposition of out of court settlements? AIUI that was the Ginger Cat's style.

    My Reform MP, the Leeanderthal Man, says things in his style of populist politics that sometimes get him sued by protagonists (imo he's sometimes wrong, and occasionally right), then he hangs tough and they end up giving up and going away.

    I can recall two from the last year or two - there may be others:

    Jack Monroe, which we all know about.

    Michael Hollis Senior, who is the dad of one of our local dodgy Councillors Tom Hollis (10 year criminal record, multiple convictions - all on the official record), whom (Tom) has recently been reappointed as Ashfield Council Deputy Leader by Jason Zadrozny. Anderson made some front-footed comments on Facebook around alleged planning irregularities. I will not quote the claims here.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,533
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely. Wind = 風 Kaze.
    I'll take your word for it.

    Maybe I was thinking about Farage being all fart and no follow through.
    Anyone who knows Japanese history (Mongol invasion, 1930s destroyer classes, 1940s campaigns) will find the misspelling of 'spirit wind' unfortunate ...
  • Sean_F said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
    So what turned him to the Dark Side?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,533
    Fishing said:

    Sadly I missed the competition myself, no doubt owing to being in Thailand and happy to get away from UK politics for a few weeks.

    Is there an objective way to score the entrants on the left/right spectrum?

    It would be fascinating to see if that is correlated with predictive accuracy and 80 or so is a reasonable sample size for a simple r^2.

    Poor Benpointer would have to ask a whole lot of new questions. And even then you'd get complaints from the PBer who thinks most of us are lefties who would make Genghis Khan look like a parlour pinko.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,010
    Congratulations to No Offence Alan.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,833
    2025 is looking like a fallow year for a prediction competition because we don't have many good elections.

    India - might be interesting and important.
    Australia - who gives a fuck.
    Canada - see Australia.
    Germany - possible AfD surge. Could finish Leon off with excitement at his time of life.
    Locals - will Dura retain his seat on the Parish Council despite or because of the eco-anarchist electoral platform? I did advocate "direct action" against a local housing development which proved surprisingly popular with the derelict old tories who live round here so I reckon I am in.
  • Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    She's very easily provoked.

    All other politicians will have noted this.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,713
    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    The current state of politics is remarkable. Starmer isn’t exactly overburdened with charisma and luck and yet somehow the Tories have managed to outbid Labour by finding someone with less charm than a chemical toilet and weaker political antennae than Rishi Sunak.

    Farage can’t believe his luck.
  • MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely. Wind = 風 Kaze.
    I'll take your word for it.

    Maybe I was thinking about Farage being all fart and no follow through.
    Anyone who knows Japanese history (Mongol invasion, 1930s destroyer classes, 1940s campaigns) will find the misspelling of 'spirit wind' unfortunate ...
    It's a good job Drachinifel does not do languages.

    Though his real name - Alexander Pocklington - is delightfully like an adjacent character in a pith helmet out of Agatha Christie or Biggles.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,656

    Sean_F said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
    So what turned him to the Dark Side?
    I know f-all about him. so I don't know if he was a 'good' person beforehand. But I guess the system he was working within would not have helped. His father was an atrocious dictator, and the system of government he inherited would have been built to handle citizens and events in a certain way. The path of least resistance was to continue his father's regime pretty much as it was. And it worked for a little over a decade.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,533
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely. Wind = 風 Kaze.
    I'll take your word for it.

    Maybe I was thinking about Farage being all fart and no follow through.
    Anyone who knows Japanese history (Mongol invasion, 1930s destroyer classes, 1940s campaigns) will find the misspelling of 'spirit wind' unfortunate ...
    It's a good job Drachinifel does not do languages.

    Though his real name - Alexander Pocklington - is delightfully like an adjacent character in a pith helmet out of Agatha Christie or Biggles.
    Oh, why not? (Do languages.)
  • US unveils sweeping cybersecurity measures over alleged China-backed Salt Typhoon campaign
    ...
    While the exact number of affected customers is not yet known, investigations thus far have shown that “a large number of individuals were geolocated in the Washington, DC and Virginia area”, she said.

    The goal was to identify which phones were linked to government targets and then conduct espionage and intelligence gathering on text messages and calls.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3292548/us-unveils-sweeping-cybersecurity-measures-over-alleged-china-backed-salt-typhoon-campaign

    Note also that while America is tightening protection of health data, Britain is giving it away!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,656

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    He was correct, though.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,201
    edited December 2024
    Lol @ "BJO fans..."

    Kudos and congrats to Alan. I'm pleased to share the silver medal position with such esteemed PB'ers

    There could have been a bonus half point for predicting not Biden....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,105
    edited December 2024
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely. Wind = 風 Kaze.
    I'll take your word for it.

    Maybe I was thinking about Farage being all fart and no follow through.
    Anyone who knows Japanese history (Mongol invasion, 1930s destroyer classes, 1940s campaigns) will find the misspelling of 'spirit wind' unfortunate ...
    It's a good job Drachinifel does not do languages.

    Though his real name - Alexander Pocklington - is delightfully like an adjacent character in a pith helmet out of Agatha Christie or Biggles.
    Oh, why not? (Do languages.)
    Brits and languages :smile: . He has the endearing habit of some Anglophone military Youtubers (although he has Bolivian and Romanian in his background), of apologising that he is about to murder the name of anything difficult in his video - say reading out a fleet of 12 Japanese destroyers, or a village in Norway wrt 1940, or a German word with 7 syllables - and then proceeding to do so, as (mispronounces name) followed by "I think". Rex's Hangar is the same.

    But Drach has an incredible work habit - putting out hours of consistently top quality video every week. He's now a regular expert on Times Radio - which is not bad for a self-taught historian.

    Recently there was an interview with him - 50 minutes - about how he does his research, and his methodology is of basically academic standard:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS2PZOz4rsk

    He's now up to 8000+ naval history and speculative questions having been quite carefully answered in his "dry dock" series. It's like Honest John for cars, who built his brand on Q/A . Source: https://www.drachinifel.co.uk/the-channel
    https://www.drachinifel.co.uk/s/DD-001to301.xlsx
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,935
    Dura_Ace said:

    2025 is looking like a fallow year for a prediction competition because we don't have many good elections.

    India - might be interesting and important.
    Australia - who gives a fuck.
    Canada - see Australia.
    Germany - possible AfD surge. Could finish Leon off with excitement at his time of life.
    Locals - will Dura retain his seat on the Parish Council despite or because of the eco-anarchist electoral platform? I did advocate "direct action" against a local housing development which proved surprisingly popular with the derelict old tories who live round here so I reckon I am in.

    I suspect that good questions abound. Even after exhausting the questions about whether Arsenal will come second, second or second in the Premiership.

    Here's seven areas:

    How many UK by-elections in 2025
    How many Reform MPs by year end/defections various
    Who leads the Tories
    Changes in the cabinet
    Reform to lead in a proper poll, and how many
    Tories to go under 20; Reform to go over 29 at least once
    Trump resignations various/fate of Musk
  • Sean_F said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
    So what turned him to the Dark Side?
    I know f-all about him. so I don't know if he was a 'good' person beforehand. But I guess the system he was working within would not have helped. His father was an atrocious dictator, and the system of government he inherited would have been built to handle citizens and events in a certain way. The path of least resistance was to continue his father's regime pretty much as it was. And it worked for a little over a decade.
    The really scary version: would we be any different?

    Of course, we'd all like to think we would be, but would we?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,201
    algarkirk said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    2025 is looking like a fallow year for a prediction competition because we don't have many good elections.

    India - might be interesting and important.
    Australia - who gives a fuck.
    Canada - see Australia.
    Germany - possible AfD surge. Could finish Leon off with excitement at his time of life.
    Locals - will Dura retain his seat on the Parish Council despite or because of the eco-anarchist electoral platform? I did advocate "direct action" against a local housing development which proved surprisingly popular with the derelict old tories who live round here so I reckon I am in.

    I suspect that good questions abound. Even after exhausting the questions about whether Arsenal will come second, second or second in the Premiership.

    Here's seven areas:

    How many UK by-elections in 2025
    How many Reform MPs by year end/defections various
    Who leads the Tories
    Changes in the cabinet
    Reform to lead in a proper poll, and how many
    Tories to go under 20; Reform to go over 29 at least once
    Trump resignations various/fate of Musk
    And some questions about the council elections, although perhaps not in absolutes given that some are likely to be postponed?
  • MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    He was correct, though.
    No, he wasn't.

    It was his version of Hillary Clinton's deplorables.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,441
    https://x.com/ronxyz00/status/1872647183578845492

    Former Trump ambassador to Denmark on Greenland: The idea that little Denmark can afford to defend Greenland is preposterous. They can't afford to defend and develop it... What President Trump is suggesting is common sense solution.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,251
    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    Yet the biggest gainers on seats on current polls will be the Tories from Labour due to big inroads Farage's party has made into the 2024 Labour vote while Kemi is holding the 2024 Tory vote
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,533
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    From Kamikwasi to Kemikase?
    ..kaze rather than ...kase surely. Wind = 風 Kaze.
    I'll take your word for it.

    Maybe I was thinking about Farage being all fart and no follow through.
    Anyone who knows Japanese history (Mongol invasion, 1930s destroyer classes, 1940s campaigns) will find the misspelling of 'spirit wind' unfortunate ...
    It's a good job Drachinifel does not do languages.

    Though his real name - Alexander Pocklington - is delightfully like an adjacent character in a pith helmet out of Agatha Christie or Biggles.
    Oh, why not? (Do languages.)
    Brits and languages :smile: .[snipped]
    Thank you!
  • Thanks Benpointer, it was good fun and just goes to show how unpredictable the future can be!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,825

    https://x.com/ronxyz00/status/1872647183578845492

    Former Trump ambassador to Denmark on Greenland: The idea that little Denmark can afford to defend Greenland is preposterous. They can't afford to defend and develop it... What President Trump is suggesting is common sense solution.

    I have seen the future and it's four years of Donald Trump spouting rubbish which all the people seeking to curry favour with him pretend is the wisdom of Solomon.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,825

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    He was correct, though.
    No, he wasn't.

    It was his version of Hillary Clinton's deplorables.
    It was substantially correct but poor politics. You can't diss the voters.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,985

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    His base? Weird kind of base that doesn't actually ever vote Conservative.

    The Conservative base is a retired older woman in a higher social grade who owns their house outright and voted remain. Reform/UKIP base is in some ways the opposite - low social grade, younger, voted leave, renting, male.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,515

    Sean_F said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
    So what turned him to the Dark Side?
    Fear.
    A weak man placed in the post of absolute dictator, commanding the loyalty of less than a fifth of his country ...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,791
    Good morning, everyone. Still misty here; I wonder how much solar power has been generated locally this December by those with roof-top panels. Not a lot of wind, either.

    Congratulations to No Offence Alan and thanks to Benpointer; I'll try and sort myself out to enter the next competition, although as my forecast of the GE date would still be in the future, I'm not too confident. At the moment, too, my survival to 31/12/2025 has to be slightly doubtful.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,111

    https://x.com/ronxyz00/status/1872647183578845492

    Former Trump ambassador to Denmark on Greenland: The idea that little Denmark can afford to defend Greenland is preposterous. They can't afford to defend and develop it... What President Trump is suggesting is common sense solution.

    Does Greenland know it has a problem to which that is the solution?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,797
    edited December 2024
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    Yet the biggest gainers on seats on current polls will be the Tories from Labour due to big inroads Farage's party has made into the 2024 Labour vote while Kemi is holding the 2024 Tory vote
    Good morning

    I think that is fairly realistic, and I for one am quite happy with Kemi and not concerned she has Farage threatening legal action, as it is very important to this conservative that the two parties are not seen as one identity

    There are many writing Kemi off , but they are not her audience and she has barely been in the job a few weeks

    I expect that as 2025 progresses the extremes of the Trump Presidency and Musk's financial backing for Farage will not play as well for either him or Reform, but also I cannot see a boost for Labour as the dire economic position post Reeves miscalculated budget manifests itself

    As long as Kemi retains the support of conservatives, [and she headed the last conhome table], then she will be OK

    I expect reform to do well in red seats in the locals but it looks as if labour are considering cancelling some of these locals which is bizarre

    Anyway, I may be a lone voice in support of Kemi, but I do think Farage and Reform during 2025 will face a difficult time with their support for Trump and Musk
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,825
    IanB2 said:

    Lol @ "BJO fans..."

    Kudos and congrats to Alan. I'm pleased to share the silver medal position with such esteemed PB'ers

    There could have been a bonus half point for predicting not Biden....

    Well done. It was fun and I hope we get one for 2025. Thanks to Ben.

    Yes, not Biden should have been worth something. That would have bumped me towards the podium.

    Still, rules are rules and I'm happy with a top quartile finish in such a tough field.
  • There are two problems with trying to make predictions in today's politics:
    Too many impossible things keep happening
    Too many of us still can't embrace that the impossible is now not just possible but likely...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,458

    Good morning, everyone. Still misty here; I wonder how much solar power has been generated locally this December by those with roof-top panels. Not a lot of wind, either.

    Congratulations to No Offence Alan and thanks to Benpointer; I'll try and sort myself out to enter the next competition, although as my forecast of the GE date would still be in the future, I'm not too confident. At the moment, too, my survival to 31/12/2025 has to be slightly doubtful.

    65.9 kWh on a 4 kWh system for December so far. Last year was 78.9, 2022 135.5 kwh
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,679
    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    He was correct, though.
    No, he wasn't.

    It was his version of Hillary Clinton's deplorables.
    It was substantially correct but poor politics. You can't diss the voters.
    As Elon and Vivek are learning?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,113

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    Yet the biggest gainers on seats on current polls will be the Tories from Labour due to big inroads Farage's party has made into the 2024 Labour vote while Kemi is holding the 2024 Tory vote
    Good morning

    I think that is fairly realistic, and I for one am quite happy with Kemi and not concerned she has Farage threatening legal action, as it is very important to this conservative that the two parties are not seen as one identity

    There are many writing Kemi off , but they are not her audience and she has barely been in the job a few weeks

    I expect that as 2025 progresses the extremes of the Trump Presidency and Musk's financial backing for Farage will not play as well for either him or Reform, but also I cannot see a boost for Labour as the dire economic position post Reeves miscalculated budget manifests itself

    As long as Kemi retains the support of conservatives, [and she headed the last conhome table], then she will be OK

    I expect reform to do well in red seats in the locals but it looks as if labour are considering cancelling some of these locals which is bizarre

    Anyway, I may be a lone voice in support of Kemi, but I do think Farage and Reform during 2025 will face a difficult time with their support for Trump and Musk
    Occurs to me that if Musk goes full-on Reform/Farage backing with cash and twitter, when Trump falls out with Musk it's going to leave Farage in a tricky spot. On the one hand - lovely cash and hordes of Musk fanboys, on the other - a constant barrage from the loyal MAGA hordes.
  • Good morning, everyone. Still misty here; I wonder how much solar power has been generated locally this December by those with roof-top panels. Not a lot of wind, either.

    Congratulations to No Offence Alan and thanks to Benpointer; I'll try and sort myself out to enter the next competition, although as my forecast of the GE date would still be in the future, I'm not too confident. At the moment, too, my survival to 31/12/2025 has to be slightly doubtful.

    Our solar panels have performed poorly this December

    And the wind farm blades are barely turning today and for many days in December as well
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,034

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    I can think of one monumentally bigger misjudgement.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,825

    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    He was correct, though.
    No, he wasn't.

    It was his version of Hillary Clinton's deplorables.
    It was substantially correct but poor politics. You can't diss the voters.
    As Elon and Vivek are learning?
    Yes there's a tension there by the sounds of it. Question is, is the typical Maga voter actually expecting Trump to make them better off or do they mainly just enjoy his persona?
  • There are two problems with trying to make predictions in today's politics:
    Too many impossible things keep happening
    Too many of us still can't embrace that the impossible is now not just possible but likely...

    Very true
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,679
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    What's Farage's record on previous legal actions, or threats thereof?

    He's all fart and no follow through.

    He threatened legal action against David Cameron when Dave rightly called UKIP 'fruitcakes and loonies - and closet racists mostly.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/06/conservatives.politicalcolumnists
    That was one of Cameron's biggest misjudgements. Saying that, and the reported comments of Lord Feldman, did a huge amount to alienate his base.
    He was correct, though.
    No, he wasn't.

    It was his version of Hillary Clinton's deplorables.
    It was substantially correct but poor politics. You can't diss the voters.
    As Elon and Vivek are learning?
    Yes there's a tension there by the sounds of it. Question is, is the typical Maga voter actually expecting Trump to make them better off or do they mainly just enjoy his persona?
    I think the former.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,017
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ronxyz00/status/1872647183578845492

    Former Trump ambassador to Denmark on Greenland: The idea that little Denmark can afford to defend Greenland is preposterous. They can't afford to defend and develop it... What President Trump is suggesting is common sense solution.

    I have seen the future and it's four years of Donald Trump spouting rubbish which all the people seeking to curry favour with him pretend is the wisdom of Solomon.
    Quite often he spouts rubbish which is jumped on by a pack of crazed commentators saying 'SEEEEEEE!!' like this Greenland thing, and he does something completely different.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,306
    HYUFD said:

    Hats off to Kemi Badenoch for publicising how easy it is to join Reform. It appears to be paying dividends, with a surge in new members.

    Well if you want to mix with common people....
    Well that's the 'coming from Greece with a thirst for knowledge' vote sown up.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,136
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    Yet the biggest gainers on seats on current polls will be the Tories from Labour due to big inroads Farage's party has made into the 2024 Labour vote while Kemi is holding the 2024 Tory vote
    Good morning

    I think that is fairly realistic, and I for one am quite happy with Kemi and not concerned she has Farage threatening legal action, as it is very important to this conservative that the two parties are not seen as one identity

    There are many writing Kemi off , but they are not her audience and she has barely been in the job a few weeks

    I expect that as 2025 progresses the extremes of the Trump Presidency and Musk's financial backing for Farage will not play as well for either him or Reform, but also I cannot see a boost for Labour as the dire economic position post Reeves miscalculated budget manifests itself

    As long as Kemi retains the support of conservatives, [and she headed the last conhome table], then she will be OK

    I expect reform to do well in red seats in the locals but it looks as if labour are considering cancelling some of these locals which is bizarre

    Anyway, I may be a lone voice in support of Kemi, but I do think Farage and Reform during 2025 will face a difficult time with their support for Trump and Musk
    Occurs to me that if Musk goes full-on Reform/Farage backing with cash and twitter, when Trump falls out with Musk it's going to leave Farage in a tricky spot. On the one hand - lovely cash and hordes of Musk fanboys, on the other - a constant barrage from the loyal MAGA hordes.
    Not to mention the contempt of those that think taking millions of dollars of foreign cash makes Farage at best disloyal ro Britain, and worst a treacherous %&*@. "What exactly is Musk buying?" is a question that needs to be made every single time the question is raised.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,679

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ronxyz00/status/1872647183578845492

    Former Trump ambassador to Denmark on Greenland: The idea that little Denmark can afford to defend Greenland is preposterous. They can't afford to defend and develop it... What President Trump is suggesting is common sense solution.

    I have seen the future and it's four years of Donald Trump spouting rubbish which all the people seeking to curry favour with him pretend is the wisdom of Solomon.
    Quite often he spouts rubbish which is jumped on by a pack of crazed commentators saying 'SEEEEEEE!!' like this Greenland thing, and he does something completely different.
    And do you think that’s a good thing? Do you think going on about Greenland like this has made the US or the world a better place?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,515
    IanB2 said:

    Lol @ "BJO fans..."

    Kudos and congrats to Alan. I'm pleased to share the silver medal position with such esteemed PB'ers

    There could have been a bonus half point for predicting not Biden....

    Having failed to enter (I think I just missed it), I am not going to mock BJO, as I'd quite possibly have tied with him.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,833
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    Yet the biggest gainers on seats on current polls will be the Tories from Labour due to big inroads Farage's party has made into the 2024 Labour vote while Kemi is holding the 2024 Tory vote
    Good morning

    I think that is fairly realistic, and I for one am quite happy with Kemi and not concerned she has Farage threatening legal action, as it is very important to this conservative that the two parties are not seen as one identity

    There are many writing Kemi off , but they are not her audience and she has barely been in the job a few weeks

    I expect that as 2025 progresses the extremes of the Trump Presidency and Musk's financial backing for Farage will not play as well for either him or Reform, but also I cannot see a boost for Labour as the dire economic position post Reeves miscalculated budget manifests itself

    As long as Kemi retains the support of conservatives, [and she headed the last conhome table], then she will be OK

    I expect reform to do well in red seats in the locals but it looks as if labour are considering cancelling some of these locals which is bizarre

    Anyway, I may be a lone voice in support of Kemi, but I do think Farage and Reform during 2025 will face a difficult time with their support for Trump and Musk
    Occurs to me that if Musk goes full-on Reform/Farage backing with cash and twitter, when Trump falls out with Musk it's going to leave Farage in a tricky spot. On the one hand - lovely cash and hordes of Musk fanboys, on the other - a constant barrage from the loyal MAGA hordes.
    That won't be a problem at all as long as Farage continues the ritual obeisance toward DJT, which he surely will, then DJT won't give a fuck if Musk gives Farage money.

    We are probably underestimating how much Musk will weigh in on the next British GE and what a profound effect it will have. He saw how the flattery and money formula worked with DJT and he clearly liked both the process and the outcome so why wouldn't he put his man in No.10?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,825
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It’s funny. Assad would probably have led an entirely uneventful life, as an eye-doctor in the UK, had his brother not died in a car crash.
    So what turned him to the Dark Side?
    Fear.
    A weak man placed in the post of absolute dictator, commanding the loyalty of less than a fifth of his country ...
    The toxic family dynamics were apparently a factor. In particular trying to live up to his late father in the eyes of his mother.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,292
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    See this is why the NHS is in crisis. We don't allow the family of doctors to come to the UK.
    It's Mrs Assad who has the UK citizenship surely?

    Surely she should be allowed to return, albeit for trial on complicity in war crimes, embezzlement etc?
    Oh yes, like Kemi Badenoch she is also a computer scientist.
    Have the Tories tried switching Kemi off and back on again?
    It's only a matter of time before they reboot the leadership.
    Farage must be absolutely delighted with Kemi.
    It's becoming increasingly easy to see how the Tories might collapse from here.

    A few more MP, and big business donor defections - the latter don't even have great reasons of either loyalty or ideology not to jump - could become a self-reinforcing trend.

    "You can't win a majority starting with only five seats" might be true - but what if it's thirty ? Or more ?
    And you have several years to spend £100m, before election restrictions ...
    Yet the biggest gainers on seats on current polls will be the Tories from Labour due to big inroads Farage's party has made into the 2024 Labour vote while Kemi is holding the 2024 Tory vote
    Good morning

    I think that is fairly realistic, and I for one am quite happy with Kemi and not concerned she has Farage threatening legal action, as it is very important to this conservative that the two parties are not seen as one identity

    There are many writing Kemi off , but they are not her audience and she has barely been in the job a few weeks

    I expect that as 2025 progresses the extremes of the Trump Presidency and Musk's financial backing for Farage will not play as well for either him or Reform, but also I cannot see a boost for Labour as the dire economic position post Reeves miscalculated budget manifests itself

    As long as Kemi retains the support of conservatives, [and she headed the last conhome table], then she will be OK

    I expect reform to do well in red seats in the locals but it looks as if labour are considering cancelling some of these locals which is bizarre

    Anyway, I may be a lone voice in support of Kemi, but I do think Farage and Reform during 2025 will face a difficult time with their support for Trump and Musk
    Occurs to me that if Musk goes full-on Reform/Farage backing with cash and twitter, when Trump falls out with Musk it's going to leave Farage in a tricky spot. On the one hand - lovely cash and hordes of Musk fanboys, on the other - a constant barrage from the loyal MAGA hordes.
    Follow the money. Farage always does.
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