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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,537
    dixiedean said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is Lineker the new Archbishop of Canterbury

    Well, he was good on the end of crosses.
    When Islam Slimani played Centre Forward and Christian Fuchs played Left Fullback for Leicester we hoped for the headline "Christian crosses, Islam converts!"

    Sadly it never happened.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Or he could point to the very many men in recent months found guilty of having photos of child abuse – many thousands of them, many of the worst kind – who got suspended sentences and walked free from court, in some cases because imprisonment might have put their jobs at risk. And they were also Very Sorry. Of course they were.

    This is a side issue to Cyclefree’s well made point but the reason these men were not given prison sentences is abundantly clear: the prisons are full to bursting with people who the state views as a greater threat to public safety, or otherwise in greater need of imprisonment.

    Possession of child abuse imagery is a heinous crime but, while the prisons are full, almost no one is going to go to prison for possession alone.
    Huw Edwards lost his job but also got a suspended sentence due to his guilty plea and being a first time offender
    I think that as somebody so high profile he should have been punished harder

    Why miss such a golden opportunity to set an example?
    We gave lots of Nazis suspended sentences, of course.

    If hanging them counts as a suspended sentence.
    Very few. Many more quietly established themselves as good West German citizens.
    William Joyce's mistake was he tried to establish himself as a good British citizen.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,253
    stodge said:

    This evening has just got better. Lineker gone.

    Strange - I really don't know why he generates such, well, dislike from a certain section of the public. He was a very good footballer who played well for his country.

    He does well on tv - I can only imagine it must be his politics and the fact he isn't a Conservative which seems to irritate, well, Conservatives.
    Brexit drove a lot of people mad - Linekar and the anti-Linekars both.
  • I would make an excellent Archbishop of Canterbury.

    No wait.

    I would make an excellent Archbishop of Banterbury.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Or he could point to the very many men in recent months found guilty of having photos of child abuse – many thousands of them, many of the worst kind – who got suspended sentences and walked free from court, in some cases because imprisonment might have put their jobs at risk. And they were also Very Sorry. Of course they were.

    This is a side issue to Cyclefree’s well made point but the reason these men were not given prison sentences is abundantly clear: the prisons are full to bursting with people who the state views as a greater threat to public safety, or otherwise in greater need of imprisonment.

    Possession of child abuse imagery is a heinous crime but, while the prisons are full, almost no one is going to go to prison for possession alone.
    Huw Edwards lost his job but also got a suspended sentence due to his guilty plea and being a first time offender
    I think that as somebody so high profile he should have been punished harder

    Why miss such a golden opportunity to set an example?
    We gave lots of Nazis suspended sentences, of course.

    If hanging them counts as a suspended sentence.
    Very few. Many more quietly established themselves as good West German citizens.
    William Joyce's mistake was he tried to establish himself as a good British citizen.
    He’d be a free speech martyr now.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,161
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
    You're not familiar with the Martin Sargeant case?

    This is about the fraud investigation:

    https://www.london.anglican.org/articles/update-on-martin-sergeant-fraud-case/

    But that is very much the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot worse going on behind the scenes.
    That completely passed me by. It’s been a few years since I meddled in diocesan affairs but I knew and liked Martin. He was very helpful on a number of occasions
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252

    I would make an excellent Archbishop of Canterbury.

    No wait.

    I would make an excellent Archbishop of Banterbury.

    You wouldn't bash the bishop?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,958
    ydoethur said:

    On the subject.

    I am minor helper in a charity that does a lot of work with young people.

    We carefully follow all the rules of safeguarding. And, more importantly, the intent of the rules. We have yearly audits and ask for advice on how to improve. We have anonymous reporting for incidents - I helped set up a thing with QR codes so that anyone with a smart phone can go, in one click, to an anonymised form to report *anything*. That's in addition to paper message boxes, email, text number etc etc. All posted up and pointed out to the kids.

    All the employees and helpers receive training on this.

    And we strive to do more.

    Hey, but what's 40 years of gun decking reports, when it's about being a Safe Pair of Hands, a Team Player......

    Do you know what's really depressing?

    That's not only a much more advanced system than in the CofE, but much more advanced and better run than the system used by OFSTED, who are supposed to be the arbiters of good practice in child protection.

    We talk a lot about safeguarding in this country but we're really, really bad at it.
    I don't think my charity is bad at it, or most of the ones I know of.

    That's because we think that safeguarding children is part of the work of a children's charity.

    And everyone has an attitude of "Don't let it slide" - mostly that's to do with safety (boats, water and kids....) but it applies to everything. Tighten all the bolts to the correct torque. Log any damage accurately - get it repaired.....
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    stodge said:

    This evening has just got better. Lineker gone.

    Strange - I really don't know why he generates such, well, dislike from a certain section of the public. He was a very good footballer who played well for his country.

    He does well on tv - I can only imagine it must be his politics and the fact he isn't a Conservative which seems to irritate, well, Conservatives.
    Brexit drove a lot of people mad - Linekar and the anti-Linekars both.
    It’s the salary. Just as with all the other ‘talent’ as they are known. Plenty of others who could do the job as well. Like governments, the BBC is good at spending other people’s money.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,536
    On topic:

    "ICC announces investigation into chief prosecutor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j8dq235e2o
  • carnforth said:

    On topic:

    "ICC announces investigation into chief prosecutor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j8dq235e2o

    His brother also had some "issues" with sexual misconduct.
  • Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Or he could point to the very many men in recent months found guilty of having photos of child abuse – many thousands of them, many of the worst kind – who got suspended sentences and walked free from court, in some cases because imprisonment might have put their jobs at risk. And they were also Very Sorry. Of course they were.

    This is a side issue to Cyclefree’s well made point but the reason these men were not given prison sentences is abundantly clear: the prisons are full to bursting with people who the state views as a greater threat to public safety, or otherwise in greater need of imprisonment.

    Possession of child abuse imagery is a heinous crime but, while the prisons are full, almost no one is going to go to prison for possession alone.
    Huw Edwards lost his job but also got a suspended sentence due to his guilty plea and being a first time offender
    I think that as somebody so high profile he should have been punished harder

    Why miss such a golden opportunity to set an example?
    We gave lots of Nazis suspended sentences, of course.

    If hanging them counts as a suspended sentence.
    Very few. Many more quietly established themselves as good West German citizens.
    "We Germans are experts at forgetting. We forgot we were Nazis. Now we have forgotten 40 years of Communism - all gone."
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,835
    An entertaining little write-up of young Kemi’s big day at the Post Office Inquiry: https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/kemi-badenoch-im-great/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    carnforth said:

    On topic:

    "ICC announces investigation into chief prosecutor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j8dq235e2o

    In an earlier statement, Mr Khan did not explicitly blame Israel, but did juxtapose the sexual misconduct allegations and efforts to undermine his position when he described this as "a moment in which myself and the International Criminal Court are subject to a wide range of attacks and threat".

    But the sexual misconduct allegations are understood to pre-date his request for arrest warrants linked to the conflict in Gaza.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11
    carnforth said:

    On topic:

    "ICC announces investigation into chief prosecutor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j8dq235e2o

    Even the next President of the USA, the most powerful man in the world from January, was found to be guilty of sexual abuse in a civil court
  • The crypto bros still pumping things hard. I fear what happens one day when Trump wakes up and decides he doesn't like digital funny money anymore....
  • According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,253
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    Well, kinda, but Thanksgiving seems to be exactly the same as Christmas, minus the guy in red, and without the earworms. A dress rehearsal, perhaps.
  • Thanks for the article. The funny thing is, like the Post Office scandal, Private Eye have covered Welby/Smyth for years without anyone getting hot under the collar on the topic.

    I know Private Eye can get it wrong (MMR and autism a notable screw up), but surely if you were a high-up and you saw some of the stories wouldn’t you go: “hang on is there something in this? Shouldn’t we have someone kick the tyres on this before it all blows up in our face”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,576
    President-elect Donald J. Trump announced on Monday that he will nominate former Rep. Lee Zeldin, Republican of New York, to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a position that is expected to be central to Mr. Trump’s plans to dismantle landmark climate regulations.

    NY Times
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,692
     
    carnforth said:

    On topic:

    "ICC announces investigation into chief prosecutor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j8dq235e2o

    Quis accusat ipsos accusatores
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,537

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    Well, kinda, but Thanksgiving seems to be exactly the same as Christmas, minus the guy in red, and without the earworms. A dress rehearsal, perhaps.
    It's quite different.

    No presents, not really commercialised, more of an event and meal for family and friends. A lot of travel is involved, but it's unusual in a country with generally little holiday to have a four day holiday. Boxing Day is not a holiday in the USA.

    It's a rather nice family event, and one my family kept for some years after our return from America, until our family dispersed.
  • I saw the first two sentences and thought... "could it be"? And then it was :grin:

    Welcome back @Cyclefree !
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,537

    President-elect Donald J. Trump announced on Monday that he will nominate former Rep. Lee Zeldin, Republican of New York, to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a position that is expected to be central to Mr. Trump’s plans to dismantle landmark climate regulations.

    NY Times

    Trump is shaping up to be worse for the planet than he is for Ukraine.

    We're doomed. Our house is burning down so that we can warm our hands.
  • The crypto bros still pumping things hard. I fear what happens one day when Trump wakes up and decides he doesn't like digital funny money anymore....

    I just want my frigging mtgox money. It looks like the trustee is selling into this rally, which is perfect cause he's got billions to sell and he needs a bid like this. And then I won't have a mortgage any more and never have to think about crypto again.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,938

    The crypto bros still pumping things hard. I fear what happens one day when Trump wakes up and decides he doesn't like digital funny money anymore....

    I just want my frigging mtgox money.
    I got mine months ago
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    Cyclefree said:

    Thanks for the article. The funny thing is, like the Post Office scandal, Private Eye have covered Welby/Smyth for years without anyone getting hot under the collar on the topic.

    I know Private Eye can get it wrong (MMR and autism a notable screw up), but surely if you were a high-up and you saw some of the stories wouldn’t you go: “hang on is there something in this? Shouldn’t we have someone kick the tyres on this before it all blows up in our face”

    What have I been saying on here for years and years? Big problems never start out big. They start small and turn into bloody great crises precisely because people don't do just this - have proper investigations early and take effective action then.

    Every single scandal and tragedy you can think of in every single sector has this failing at its heart.

    One day people might listen to me and others saying the same thing.
    Its the cover-up that does for you....
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 789
    edited November 11
    Scott_xP said:

    The crypto bros still pumping things hard. I fear what happens one day when Trump wakes up and decides he doesn't like digital funny money anymore....

    I just want my frigging mtgox money.
    I got mine months ago
    I chose cash payout (but ELSP obv). Had I known how things would turn out, then I wouldn't have done but I still think was correct choice at the time. OTOH the forced HODL seems to have worked out in my favour as I'd have dumped immediately so long as he liquidates promptly (at least one sale seems to have happened, possibly two - but it's unclear how much he needs to sell).

    Currently we are extended till Oct 2025 but at current rates of sale will be done before then, it's very unclear when before then though due to uncertainty about amount he needs to sell.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Or he could point to the very many men in recent months found guilty of having photos of child abuse – many thousands of them, many of the worst kind – who got suspended sentences and walked free from court, in some cases because imprisonment might have put their jobs at risk. And they were also Very Sorry. Of course they were.

    This is a side issue to Cyclefree’s well made point but the reason these men were not given prison sentences is abundantly clear: the prisons are full to bursting with people who the state views as a greater threat to public safety, or otherwise in greater need of imprisonment.

    Possession of child abuse imagery is a heinous crime but, while the prisons are full, almost no one is going to go to prison for possession alone.
    Huw Edwards lost his job but also got a suspended sentence due to his guilty plea and being a first time offender
    I think that as somebody so high profile he should have been punished harder

    Why miss such a golden opportunity to set an example?
    As the law is supposed to apply the same sentence to everyone, no less for higher status individuals but no more either
    Except circumstances do mean that people get punished more than others for the same crimes sometimes, and yet is perfectly fair. A harsher sentence for Huw need not mean disproportionately harsh either.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Scott_xP said:

    @PaulBrandITV

    Sources say that the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has cleared his diary for tomorrow, as pressure grows on him to resign.

    A good time for some private prayer.

    I don't actually have a view on whether he should resign or not. Would it make any difference to the problems facing the organisation and its branding? Seems unlikely.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem
    See this for example.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @PaulBrandITV

    Sources say that the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has cleared his diary for tomorrow, as pressure grows on him to resign.

    A good time for some private prayer.

    I don't actually have a view on whether he should resign or not. Would it make any difference to the problems facing the organisation and its branding? Seems unlikely.
    It will hopefully lead to more Parish focused ministry and safeguarding being put higher up the agenda
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,703
    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    They don't like Fulham on MOTD a grudging nice word or two after doing over Crystal Palace and Brentford.is about as good as it gets.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Cyclefree said:

    Thanks for the article. The funny thing is, like the Post Office scandal, Private Eye have covered Welby/Smyth for years without anyone getting hot under the collar on the topic.

    I know Private Eye can get it wrong (MMR and autism a notable screw up), but surely if you were a high-up and you saw some of the stories wouldn’t you go: “hang on is there something in this? Shouldn’t we have someone kick the tyres on this before it all blows up in our face”

    What have I been saying on here for years and years? Big problems never start out big. They start small and turn into bloody great crises precisely because people don't do just this - have proper investigations early and take effective action then.

    Every single scandal and tragedy you can think of in every single sector has this failing at its heart.

    One day people might listen to me and others saying the same thing.
    It's good you've retained some optimism about such a thing - probably the only way to keep plugging away I guess, holding out hope.
  • kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,893
    Foxy said:

    President-elect Donald J. Trump announced on Monday that he will nominate former Rep. Lee Zeldin, Republican of New York, to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a position that is expected to be central to Mr. Trump’s plans to dismantle landmark climate regulations.

    NY Times

    Trump is shaping up to be worse for the planet than he is for Ukraine.

    We're doomed. Our house is burning down so that we can warm our hands.
    Fitting if as suggested US voters elected a moral cesspit for a couple of bucks off gas.
    Thanks for dragging the rest of us down with you, guys,
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,161
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
    You're not familiar with the Martin Sargeant case?

    This is about the fraud investigation:

    https://www.london.anglican.org/articles/update-on-martin-sergeant-fraud-case/

    But that is very much the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot worse going on behind the scenes.
    Chartres was Bishop of London when that went on. Sargeant left the Diocese in 2019 after Mullally became Bishop in 2018
    Ok, so you don’t know what has been going on.

    I’m not going to repeat it here as Tse and RCS would get twitchy. Suffice to say his being caught committing fraud was just the start.
    Can you DM me?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,537

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    carnforth said:

    On topic:

    "ICC announces investigation into chief prosecutor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j8dq235e2o

    In an earlier statement, Mr Khan did not explicitly blame Israel, but did juxtapose the sexual misconduct allegations and efforts to undermine his position when he described this as "a moment in which myself and the International Criminal Court are subject to a wide range of attacks and threat".

    But the sexual misconduct allegations are understood to pre-date his request for arrest warrants linked to the conflict in Gaza.
    So he's either guilty or lacks principles, by using that to divert from the accusations.

    He'd have been better off not making that 'juxtaposition', it's trying to be clever with words but there are too many other clever people in the world to get away with that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
  • Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    The problem is that highlights programmes are dime a dozen nowadays.

    I can decide I want to get any games highlights put it into Google or YouTube or many other search engines and find a plethora of highlights packages - without waiting for obsolete linear programming.

    So what's the point in the obsolete tech today? Is there any wonder people aren't bothered by it anymore?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. The funny thing is, like the Post Office scandal, Private Eye have covered Welby/Smyth for years without anyone getting hot under the collar on the topic.

    I know Private Eye can get it wrong (MMR and autism a notable screw up), but surely if you were a high-up and you saw some of the stories wouldn’t you go: “hang on is there something in this? Shouldn’t we have someone kick the tyres on this before it all blows up in our face”

    No, because there is an odd rule in public life that even though they all read Private Eye assiduously in order to find out what is going on, nothing Private Eye covers counts as being public knowledge until years later when the BBC, ITV, Mail, Guardian etc cover the stuff from Private Eye they have known about for years. Funny old world.
    It can be very strange when a scandal kicks off, and a lot of the evidence behind it is things that were publicly reported possibly even in major publications at the time. So you'll get something like "A scandal erupted in 2020, when news stories emerged about comments made in 2014 which were reported in NewsPaper A".
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,161

    Cyclefree said:

    I only came back on to annoy those who drove me off.

    And also because this picks up on some of the stuff I've been writing about in my book.

    Many years ago as a pupil barrister I sat in court between John Smyth and Mary Whitehouse. She was bringing a case about some pornographic programme or other. She was very polite and charming.

    Smyth, on the other hand, totally ignored me, not even deigning to say good morning or acknowledge my presence in any way. In those days, he was not the only senior male barrister to behave with such astounding rudeness. Fortunately for me, being a woman meant that I was spared his advances. It was only the women-loving perverts I had to fend off. The judge in the case was Mr Justice Taylor who wrote the first report on the Hillsborough tragedy.

    Mary Whitehouse lost the case. Christopher Hitchens' remark about the ostentatiously pious comes to mind when you meet people like Smyth. Also if you put any group on a pedestal you create the conditions for some in that group to abuse their position and for abusers to join that group. A lesson which ought to be - but is never ever - learned.

    Welcome back Cyclefree. Delighted to see you writing for PB again.

    I had a slight raising of the hackles and was ready for a fight when I saw the headline. But then I saw your byline and knew I had no reason to be concerned.

    It would be nice to see Welby be the one who breaks the mould and does the right thing but I am not holding my breath.

    Just out of interest, who can sack an Archbishop if he won't resign?
    The King can reduce headcount in the CoE,
    in theory.
    But only if he has 4 literally minded knights eager to serve

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    I was thinking more about Football Focus than MOTD, I have seen the latter.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,576
    Foxy said:

    President-elect Donald J. Trump announced on Monday that he will nominate former Rep. Lee Zeldin, Republican of New York, to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a position that is expected to be central to Mr. Trump’s plans to dismantle landmark climate regulations.

    NY Times

    Trump is shaping up to be worse for the planet than he is for Ukraine.

    We're doomed. Our house is burning down so that we can warm our hands.
    We can only hope now that the Dems get their shit together and there is actually a proper election in 2028.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    I was thinking more about Football Focus than MOTD, I have seen the latter.
    Football focus had an overhaul, less about the football, more yuff focused, more about lifestyle, much more focus on stories relating to causes that BBC worldview see as super important etc....and they lost 1/3 of their viewers.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300
    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. The funny thing is, like the Post Office scandal, Private Eye have covered Welby/Smyth for years without anyone getting hot under the collar on the topic.

    I know Private Eye can get it wrong (MMR and autism a notable screw up), but surely if you were a high-up and you saw some of the stories wouldn’t you go: “hang on is there something in this? Shouldn’t we have someone kick the tyres on this before it all blows up in our face”

    No, because there is an odd rule in public life that even though they all read Private Eye assiduously in order to find out what is going on, nothing Private Eye covers counts as being public knowledge until years later when the BBC, ITV, Mail, Guardian etc cover the stuff from Private Eye they have known about for years. Funny old world.
    It can be very strange when a scandal kicks off, and a lot of the evidence behind it is things that were publicly reported possibly even in major publications at the time. So you'll get something like "A scandal erupted in 2020, when news stories emerged about comments made in 2014 which were reported in NewsPaper A".
    Didn’t that also happen with partygate?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. The funny thing is, like the Post Office scandal, Private Eye have covered Welby/Smyth for years without anyone getting hot under the collar on the topic.

    I know Private Eye can get it wrong (MMR and autism a notable screw up), but surely if you were a high-up and you saw some of the stories wouldn’t you go: “hang on is there something in this? Shouldn’t we have someone kick the tyres on this before it all blows up in our face”

    No, because there is an odd rule in public life that even though they all read Private Eye assiduously in order to find out what is going on, nothing Private Eye covers counts as being public knowledge until years later when the BBC, ITV, Mail, Guardian etc cover the stuff from Private Eye they have known about for years. Funny old world.
    It can be very strange when a scandal kicks off, and a lot of the evidence behind it is things that were publicly reported possibly even in major publications at the time. So you'll get something like "A scandal erupted in 2020, when news stories emerged about comments made in 2014 which were reported in NewsPaper A".
    Didn’t that also happen with partygate?
    I believe so.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    I bet they include in MOTD "show", live matches like FA Cup, Euros, etc....not just the Saturday night highlight shows. And even if it is just highlights, it definitely includes Euros / WC, which you can only watch on BBC or ITV (and ITV is f##king awful).

    If all you want is 4-5 min package showing you major highlights of a match, Sky YouTube has them about 1hr after final whistle. TNT increasing put extended highlights and full re-runs for lots of sports on their YouTube channel.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,562
    edited November 11
    I watch MOTD. The extended highlights are much better than what you get on YouTube and I like that if there is a mad game at the bottom you watch that first. Gets you out of the Man City/Liverpool/Arsenal bubble.

    I do some quick chores during the "analysis".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633

    Foxy said:

    President-elect Donald J. Trump announced on Monday that he will nominate former Rep. Lee Zeldin, Republican of New York, to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, a position that is expected to be central to Mr. Trump’s plans to dismantle landmark climate regulations.

    NY Times

    Trump is shaping up to be worse for the planet than he is for Ukraine.

    We're doomed. Our house is burning down so that we can warm our hands.
    We can only hope now that the Dems get their shit together and there is actually a proper election in 2028.

    The midterms are only 2 years away, we should see what impact Trump's tariffs, immigration deportations, spending and tax cuts and regulation and government department scrappings have had by then on the US and its economy
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Cyclefree said:

    I only came back on to annoy those who drove me off.

    And also because this picks up on some of the stuff I've been writing about in my book.

    Many years ago as a pupil barrister I sat in court between John Smyth and Mary Whitehouse. She was bringing a case about some pornographic programme or other. She was very polite and charming.

    Smyth, on the other hand, totally ignored me, not even deigning to say good morning or acknowledge my presence in any way. In those days, he was not the only senior male barrister to behave with such astounding rudeness. Fortunately for me, being a woman meant that I was spared his advances. It was only the women-loving perverts I had to fend off. The judge in the case was Mr Justice Taylor who wrote the first report on the Hillsborough tragedy.

    Mary Whitehouse lost the case. Christopher Hitchens' remark about the ostentatiously pious comes to mind when you meet people like Smyth. Also if you put any group on a pedestal you create the conditions for some in that group to abuse their position and for abusers to join that group. A lesson which ought to be - but is never ever - learned.

    Welcome back Cyclefree. Delighted to see you writing for PB again.

    I had a slight raising of the hackles and was ready for a fight when I saw the headline. But then I saw your byline and knew I had no reason to be concerned.

    It would be nice to see Welby be the one who breaks the mould and does the right thing but I am not holding my breath.

    Just out of interest, who can sack an Archbishop if he won't resign?
    The King can reduce headcount in the CoE,
    in theory.
    But only if he has 4 literally minded knights eager to serve

    Medieval art being what it is it makes murder look like a charming low budget animation for kids.

  • HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    150 million out of the UK's 68 million people watched the show did they?

    Utterly meaningless numbers, even setting aside the fact the same 'brand' is slapped onto live England games they have the unique rights to as the highlights package.

    MotD was a staple pre-internet. Time has moved on now though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    What I mean is it is SHOULD be limited. Players are the most insightful and interesting those few years after they finished. They know all the players, they know the tactics, they know the game being played today. To keep abreast with this requires a lot of work.

    The problem is we still have people like Roy Keane as a pundit, basically shows up, goes f##kin kick em, that's what I would have done. They don't show any heart these days.....

    Sky had the same problem with the cricketers, Botham and Holding, basically going well I would have bowled an over of bouncers at em....Ian, Ian, you aren't allowed to even bowl a traditional bouncer in T20....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    Lineker has earnt more as a pundit than he ever did as a footballer, when really it should have been the other way around and Des Lynam should have been the highest ever paid BBC football pundit
  • kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Or he could point to the very many men in recent months found guilty of having photos of child abuse – many thousands of them, many of the worst kind – who got suspended sentences and walked free from court, in some cases because imprisonment might have put their jobs at risk. And they were also Very Sorry. Of course they were.

    This is a side issue to Cyclefree’s well made point but the reason these men were not given prison sentences is abundantly clear: the prisons are full to bursting with people who the state views as a greater threat to public safety, or otherwise in greater need of imprisonment.

    Possession of child abuse imagery is a heinous crime but, while the prisons are full, almost no one is going to go to prison for possession alone.
    Huw Edwards lost his job but also got a suspended sentence due to his guilty plea and being a first time offender
    I think that as somebody so high profile he should have been punished harder

    Why miss such a golden opportunity to set an example?
    As the law is supposed to apply the same sentence to everyone, no less for higher status individuals but no more either
    Except circumstances do mean that people get punished more than others for the same crimes sometimes, and yet is perfectly fair. A harsher sentence for Huw need not mean disproportionately harsh either.
    Huw was guilty of possession, so he had to get less than the guy who was guilty of distribution, which is obviously more serious.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,576
    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    1h
    Sources say that the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has cleared his diary for tomorrow, as pressure grows on him to resign.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    150 million out of the UK's 68 million people watched the show did they?

    Utterly meaningless numbers, even setting aside the fact the same 'brand' is slapped onto live England games they have the unique rights to as the highlights package.

    MotD was a staple pre-internet. Time has moved on now though.
    People from around the world will have watched clips too and not everyone wants to watch all broadcast television on the internet. Not least as you have to pay a subscription fee for most of it with fees for multiple subscription services rather than 1 TV licence for all Freeview
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,562
    edited November 11

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    150 million out of the UK's 68 million people watched the show did they?

    Utterly meaningless numbers, even setting aside the fact the same 'brand' is slapped onto live England games they have the unique rights to as the highlights package.

    MotD was a staple pre-internet. Time has moved on now though.
    Funny how every stat that you don't agree with on PB is fabricated or meaningless.

    I'm always surprised about how many people still watch TV, and how influential News at 10 still is. Something PBers shouldn't forget when it comes to nascent political scandals, narratives.

    Younger people (like me) have largely abandoned it, but we don't vote as much as the TV-watching oldies.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    What I mean is it is SHOULD be limited. Players are the most insightful and interesting those few years after they finished. They know all the players, they know the tactics, they know the game being played today. To keep abreast with this requires a lot of work.

    The problem is we still have people like Roy Keane as a pundit, basically shows up, goes f##kin kick em, that's what I would have done. They don't show any heart these days.....

    Sky had the same problem with the cricketers, Botham and Holding, basically going well I would have bowled an over of bouncers at em....Ian, Ian, you aren't allowed to even bowl a traditional bouncer in T20....
    I think you are on the money for limited overs cricket, but test cricket has changed rather less. The better analysts keep up with modern trends while those such as Botham etc tended to rely on being superstar players.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    Kate Abdo (Scott) is the best presenter of footy at the moment.

    The problem with the analysts there is this belief they have to be an ex-player. But in cricket, they have realised they should have the CricViz guys, rugby a YouTube bod is increasingly getting work on telly, because the pros have actually turned around and said wow, that bloke, that bloke insights are spot on / I never thought about it like that.

    Original Tifo football analyst, Alister Stuart son, now gets paid a fortune as a tactical consultant. The replacements are still interesting albeit since NYT took over change of direction. StatsBomb founder recently got bought out and now podcasts.
  • Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    150 million out of the UK's 68 million people watched the show did they?

    Utterly meaningless numbers, even setting aside the fact the same 'brand' is slapped onto live England games they have the unique rights to as the highlights package.

    MotD was a staple pre-internet. Time has moved on now though.
    Funny how every stat that you don't agree with on PB is fabricated or meaningless.

    I'm always surprised about how many people still watch TV, and how influential News at 10 still is. Something PBers shouldn't forget when it comes to nascent political scandals, narratives.

    Younger people (like me) have largely abandoned it, but we don't vote as much as the TV-watching oldies.
    Not that funny, there's a whole plethora of bullshit stats out there. Lies, damned lies and statistics is a saying from over a century before I was even born - so if you find it "funny" it says more about you than me.

    And with the advent of the internet the rise of spurious and meaningless data has reached levels Disraeli could never have imagined.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,536
    For fans of the niche "Chagos agreement might not happen" theory, the mauritian government has just lost power:

    https://archive.is/GizXA
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    What I mean is it is SHOULD be limited. Players are the most insightful and interesting those few years after they finished. They know all the players, they know the tactics, they know the game being played today. To keep abreast with this requires a lot of work.

    The problem is we still have people like Roy Keane as a pundit, basically shows up, goes f##kin kick em, that's what I would have done. They don't show any heart these days.....

    Sky had the same problem with the cricketers, Botham and Holding, basically going well I would have bowled an over of bouncers at em....Ian, Ian, you aren't allowed to even bowl a traditional bouncer in T20....
    I think you are on the money for limited overs cricket, but test cricket has changed rather less. The better analysts keep up with modern trends while those such as Botham etc tended to rely on being superstar players.
    I totally disagree. BazBall waves.....Jarrod Kimber is constantly showing with data just how much test cricket has changed.

    Literally is video today,

    How batting has changed (in test cricket)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ISJU_gBDOI

    Sky decision to throw out all the oldies and get in people like Kumar Sangakkara in was a brilliant decision. Not only a great of the game, his insights are fantastic in no short part that still very much part of the elite coaching side of things. He regularly points out known flaws in players technique as he knows all about them, seen them play close up.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,379

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    And to be fair we’ve imported Black Friday without the actual reason for having it, so maybe we should import Thanksgiving too? Would nicely fill the gap…
    Nor, it would seem, any idea of which day it actually is, judging by the number of sales now on.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    What I mean is it is SHOULD be limited. Players are the most insightful and interesting those few years after they finished. They know all the players, they know the tactics, they know the game being played today. To keep abreast with this requires a lot of work.

    The problem is we still have people like Roy Keane as a pundit, basically shows up, goes f##kin kick em, that's what I would have done. They don't show any heart these days.....

    Sky had the same problem with the cricketers, Botham and Holding, basically going well I would have bowled an over of bouncers at em....Ian, Ian, you aren't allowed to even bowl a traditional bouncer in T20....
    I think you are on the money for limited overs cricket, but test cricket has changed rather less. The better analysts keep up with modern trends while those such as Botham etc tended to rely on being superstar players.
    I totally disagree. BazBall waves.....
    I’m not so sure. Is bazball any more than Australian positivity turned up a bit more? And what happened in Pakistan, and indeed India?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,562

    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    150 million out of the UK's 68 million people watched the show did they?

    Utterly meaningless numbers, even setting aside the fact the same 'brand' is slapped onto live England games they have the unique rights to as the highlights package.

    MotD was a staple pre-internet. Time has moved on now though.
    Funny how every stat that you don't agree with on PB is fabricated or meaningless.

    I'm always surprised about how many people still watch TV, and how influential News at 10 still is. Something PBers shouldn't forget when it comes to nascent political scandals, narratives.

    Younger people (like me) have largely abandoned it, but we don't vote as much as the TV-watching oldies.
    Not that funny, there's a whole plethora of bullshit stats out there. Lies, damned lies and statistics is a saying from over a century before I was even born - so if you find it "funny" it says more about you than me.

    And with the advent of the internet the rise of spurious and meaningless data has reached levels Disraeli could never have imagined.
    Could you provide some evidence to support that claim?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    And to be fair we’ve imported Black Friday without the actual reason for having it, so maybe we should import Thanksgiving too? Would nicely fill the gap…
    Nor, it would seem, any idea of which day it actually is, judging by the number of sales now on.
    I rather like the idea that Black Friday is actually about two weeks long.
  • Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    33 million viewed at least one Match of the Day Show a season and 150 million watched a Match of the Day social media or website clip
    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/match-of-the-day-celebrates-60-years
    150 million out of the UK's 68 million people watched the show did they?

    Utterly meaningless numbers, even setting aside the fact the same 'brand' is slapped onto live England games they have the unique rights to as the highlights package.

    MotD was a staple pre-internet. Time has moved on now though.
    Funny how every stat that you don't agree with on PB is fabricated or meaningless.

    I'm always surprised about how many people still watch TV, and how influential News at 10 still is. Something PBers shouldn't forget when it comes to nascent political scandals, narratives.

    Younger people (like me) have largely abandoned it, but we don't vote as much as the TV-watching oldies.
    Not that funny, there's a whole plethora of bullshit stats out there. Lies, damned lies and statistics is a saying from over a century before I was even born - so if you find it "funny" it says more about you than me.

    And with the advent of the internet the rise of spurious and meaningless data has reached levels Disraeli could never have imagined.
    Could you provide some evidence to support that claim?
    You can not be that naïve, surely?

    Here's some evidence if you want there's a mountain more out there, the idea that many statistics might be bullshit is not one I coined: https://www.vice.com/en/article/statistics-more-or-less-tim-harford/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    What I mean is it is SHOULD be limited. Players are the most insightful and interesting those few years after they finished. They know all the players, they know the tactics, they know the game being played today. To keep abreast with this requires a lot of work.

    The problem is we still have people like Roy Keane as a pundit, basically shows up, goes f##kin kick em, that's what I would have done. They don't show any heart these days.....

    Sky had the same problem with the cricketers, Botham and Holding, basically going well I would have bowled an over of bouncers at em....Ian, Ian, you aren't allowed to even bowl a traditional bouncer in T20....
    I think you are on the money for limited overs cricket, but test cricket has changed rather less. The better analysts keep up with modern trends while those such as Botham etc tended to rely on being superstar players.
    I totally disagree. BazBall waves.....
    I’m not so sure. Is bazball any more than Australian positivity turned up a bit more? And what happened in Pakistan, and indeed India?
    As I say, go watch Jarrod Kimber (analyst for IPL teams). He has hours and hours of videos showing in the data how it has radically changed.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,453
    Everyone's favourite former Lib Dem MP.

    "Lembit Öpik
    @lembitopik

    BBC just accused Trump of being “hostile to climate science.” Yet, after 4 BILLION years of climate change, it’s the BBC not Trump that claims humans can control climate now. I challenge BBC to prove me wrong - or stand exposed as “hostile to climate science”"

    https://x.com/lembitopik/status/1855965638679830539
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    And to be fair we’ve imported Black Friday without the actual reason for having it, so maybe we should import Thanksgiving too? Would nicely fill the gap…
    Nor, it would seem, any idea of which day it actually is, judging by the number of sales now on.
    I rather like the idea that Black Friday is actually about two weeks long.
    Oh gawd...that time of year when Mrs U goes I am just going to take this opportunity to buy some Christmas presents early and get a good deal....and then boxes after boxes arriving everyday.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,536
    Thread on the text, just out, of the assisted dying Private Member's Bill:

    https://x.com/yuanyi_z/status/1856098117239628083

    (From a long-time opponent, admittedly.)
  • According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    Avi Loeb, who has just finished studying nearly 500,000 sky objects for NASA, has just posted a rather interesting statement on his website.

    It's the statement he was going to give the Congress, as he wasn't called, and mentions "a new Copernican revolution in science.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Everyone's favourite former Lib Dem MP.

    "Lembit Öpik
    @lembitopik

    BBC just accused Trump of being “hostile to climate science.” Yet, after 4 BILLION years of climate change, it’s the BBC not Trump that claims humans can control climate now. I challenge BBC to prove me wrong - or stand exposed as “hostile to climate science”"

    https://x.com/lembitopik/status/1855965638679830539

    I know he was always a little odd, but these days he is full on batshit crazy isn't he.
  • dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    And to be fair we’ve imported Black Friday without the actual reason for having it, so maybe we should import Thanksgiving too? Would nicely fill the gap…
    Nor, it would seem, any idea of which day it actually is, judging by the number of sales now on.
    I rather like the idea that Black Friday is actually about two weeks long.
    Just two weeks? Black November is the buzz word now!
  • carnforth said:

    Thread on the text, just out, of the assisted dying Private Member's Bill:

    https://x.com/yuanyi_z/status/1856098117239628083

    (From a long-time opponent, admittedly.)

    Hopefully it passes.

    Its absurd to decree that people can't control their own bodies at a time of their own choosing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,379
    Andy_JS said:

    Everyone's favourite former Lib Dem MP.

    "Lembit Öpik
    @lembitopik

    BBC just accused Trump of being “hostile to climate science.” Yet, after 4 BILLION years of climate change, it’s the BBC not Trump that claims humans can control climate now. I challenge BBC to prove me wrong - or stand exposed as “hostile to climate science”"

    https://x.com/lembitopik/status/1855965638679830539

    He is the Cheeky Boy.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,536

    carnforth said:

    Thread on the text, just out, of the assisted dying Private Member's Bill:

    https://x.com/yuanyi_z/status/1856098117239628083

    (From a long-time opponent, admittedly.)

    Hopefully it passes.

    Its absurd to decree that people can't control their own bodies at a time of their own choosing.
    I agree with the principle, but a hastily drafted private bill with 5 hours debate?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    The safe option to replace Saint Gary is Mark Chapman as he is already MOTD2 host and all round professional that everybody goes to for sport presenter gigs.

    But the quote about wanting to refresh the programme suggests otherwise, checks what happened to viewership of Football Focus....

    Not watched it in years, what did happen to it?
    Me neither.

    I assume the thing that happened to it is it became overtaken by YouTube and other, superior, more timely alternatives to outdated 20th century linear television programming?
    It's still a good highlights programme, with interesting analysis. Not that there have been many highlights for my team this season.
    MOTD analysis is not interesting. Its terrible. Its outdated. Its often totally wrong. Its like Sky cricket was before they had a massive overhaul. This chummy club that is all very pleasant but they are way too comfortable and really not up with things.

    There is a limited shelf life for an ex-pro, unless they are willing to really keep up to date with the progression of any professional sport.
    Being a pundit is a good way to not have a limited shelflife, many get years or decades out of it as Linekar demonstrates. It's just there are limited slots available.
    What I mean is it is SHOULD be limited. Players are the most insightful and interesting those few years after they finished. They know all the players, they know the tactics, they know the game being played today. To keep abreast with this requires a lot of work.

    The problem is we still have people like Roy Keane as a pundit, basically shows up, goes f##kin kick em, that's what I would have done. They don't show any heart these days.....

    Sky had the same problem with the cricketers, Botham and Holding, basically going well I would have bowled an over of bouncers at em....Ian, Ian, you aren't allowed to even bowl a traditional bouncer in T20....
    I think you are on the money for limited overs cricket, but test cricket has changed rather less. The better analysts keep up with modern trends while those such as Botham etc tended to rely on being superstar players.
    I totally disagree. BazBall waves.....
    I’m not so sure. Is bazball any more than Australian positivity turned up a bit more? And what happened in Pakistan, and indeed India?
    As I say, go watch Jarrod Kimber (analyst for IPL teams). He has hours and hours of videos showing in the data how it has radically changed.
    Without looking (just don’t have the free time, sorry) I’d bring up accessing new shots (ramp, reverse sweep etc) to attempt to change fields and where bowlers bowl. I’d argue that bowling remains very similar. The only revolution in bowling I can think of is reverse swing, and that originates in the late 80’s and early 90’s. We have seen funky fields come in too, and I think that’s partly instinct from players like Stokes but also analysis coming in.
  • carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Thread on the text, just out, of the assisted dying Private Member's Bill:

    https://x.com/yuanyi_z/status/1856098117239628083

    (From a long-time opponent, admittedly.)

    Hopefully it passes.

    Its absurd to decree that people can't control their own bodies at a time of their own choosing.
    I agree with the principle, but a hastily drafted private bill with 5 hours debate?
    Sounds rather typical for how Parliament works generally.

    Either a private bill with limited debate or a three line whipped government bill with it - this being not whipped seems like a better option.
  • According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    Avi Loeb, who has just finished studying nearly 500,000 sky objects for NASA, has just posted a rather interesting statement on his website.

    It's the statement he was going to give the Congress, as he wasn't called, and mentions "a new Copernican revolution in science."
    https://avi-loeb.medium.com/avi-loebs-statement-on-uap-to-the-house-oversight-and-accountability-committee-3cc124e8cdd8
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,453
    Newsnight commentator: more chance of Russell Brand being AoC next week than Justin Welby.
  • According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    Avi Loeb, who has just finished studying nearly 500,000 sky objects for NASA, has just posted a rather interesting statement on his website.

    It's the statement he was going to give the Congress, as he wasn't called, and mentions "a new Copernican revolution in science."
    https://avi-loeb.medium.com/avi-loebs-statement-on-uap-to-the-house-oversight-and-accountability-committee-3cc124e8cdd8
    All you need is the final paragraph:

    Here’s hoping that federal funding will be allocated to scientific research that will answer open questions on national security and extraterrestrials. We owe the answers on both fronts to the public.

    Quick skim doesn't seem to say any more than "There's no evidence, but wouldn't it be cool if we found some?" Though this sentence seemed a bit odd as well;

    In that case, extraterrestrials might serve as better role models for a prosperous future than our elected officials.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,300

    According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    Avi Loeb, who has just finished studying nearly 500,000 sky objects for NASA, has just posted a rather interesting statement on his website.

    It's the statement he was going to give the Congress, as he wasn't called, and mentions "a new Copernican revolution in science."
    https://avi-loeb.medium.com/avi-loebs-statement-on-uap-to-the-house-oversight-and-accountability-committee-3cc124e8cdd8
    Not a lot of anything in that statement (I have read his piece). He posits that discovering alien life would be a new copernican revolution and I cannot disagree. But that has nothing to do with claims that the US deep state has covered up such proof already.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,912
    Andy_JS said:

    Newsnight commentator: more chance of Russell Brand being AoC next week than Justin Welby.

    That Wednesday morning breakfast's definitely going to be cancelled, isn’t it?

    Shame. If the timing had been maybe 2 days earlier it would have been a fascinating event.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,331

    Has anyone been to Pézenas in the south of France?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pézenas

    They have a local delicacy, Petit Pâté de Pézenas, that was brought there by Clive of India, when he lived in Pézenas after finally leaving India

    It's a sweet lamb pastry, apparently a refined version of Keema Naan

    The town was recommended to me by an antique dealer on my mail route. I was taking him packets of euros; he's heading there for its antiques shops

    I always ask when I take people foreign money. I'm so surprised I found someone going somewhere on my next walk

    Late reply, but I've been to Pézenas several times - it's a fabulous little town; beautiful buildings and little squares, good for eating and drinking, a fine market and, like many French towns, superbly maintained. It makes much of the fact that Molière spent a lot of time there. Easy to get there from Montpellier, and close to some lovely bits of the Languedoc coast.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,745

    According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    Avi Loeb, who has just finished studying nearly 500,000 sky objects for NASA, has just posted a rather interesting statement on his website.

    It's the statement he was going to give the Congress, as he wasn't called, and mentions "a new Copernican revolution in science.
    It reads a little like a plea for more research grants. Which is fair enough, but nothing out of the ordinary.
  • JD Vance is a future superstar. And I hate to say that.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,745
    carnforth said:

    Thread on the text, just out, of the assisted dying Private Member's Bill:

    https://x.com/yuanyi_z/status/1856098117239628083

    (From a long-time opponent, admittedly.)

    Is there a tl;dr for those of us not blessed by Elon?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,745

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    November is for testing the different options so that in December you can make sure you have only the best.
    Any time after Halloween its acceptable to have Christmas things.

    Which somewhat by definition includes all of November.
    After bonfire night it’s vaguely acceptable, not Halloween.

    I prefer Christmas to start from the 16th, after my birthday.
    It’s a battle that’s already lost but I kinda like Dec 1st as the start of Christmas. That said we are moving to a world where the winter events merge seamlessly. Halloween into bonfire night, through poppy mass and into the big one. People like dressing up houses and nice lights. Do it if it makes you happy.
    In the USA they need to mark Thanksgiving first, so Christmas starts a little later.
    And to be fair we’ve imported Black Friday without the actual reason for having it, so maybe we should import Thanksgiving too? Would nicely fill the gap…
    Nor, it would seem, any idea of which day it actually is, judging by the number of sales now on.
    I rather like the idea that Black Friday is actually about two weeks long.
    You watched the same dodgy VHS's as me, I see.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    Donald Trump could block Peter Mandelson as ambassador over EU ties
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-could-block-peter-34074843
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11

    JD Vance is a future superstar. And I hate to say that.

    Maybe, maybe not. He is already VP whether he gets the big job in 2028 depends largely on the success of his boss' MAGA agenda by then. If great he will be elected, if not Trump will leave Vance to carry the can and voters' vengeance
  • According to Rear Admiral Timofhy Gallaudet, who is going to testify at the UAPs hearing on Wednesday, the United States government has evidence of "a new nature of reality."

    Rather interesting.

    He’s a crank who has filmed dust motes in his daughters bedroom and thinks they are tiny ufos.
    Judging from this interview I would say he seems very far from a crank, and more like an exceptionally conscientious, American Boy Scout type.

    https://youtu.be/rEYDY2EMm8c?si=DwFeuwQPX8D_VXVB
    Others hav3 a different view. I’ve seen things from more skeptical folk on Twtter about him.
    Avi Loeb, who has just finished studying nearly 500,000 sky objects for NASA, has just posted a rather interesting statement on his website.

    It's the statement he was going to give the Congress, as he wasn't called, and mentions "a new Copernican revolution in science."
    https://avi-loeb.medium.com/avi-loebs-statement-on-uap-to-the-house-oversight-and-accountability-committee-3cc124e8cdd8
    All you need is the final paragraph:

    Here’s hoping that federal funding will be allocated to scientific research that will answer open questions on national security and extraterrestrials. We owe the answers on both fronts to the public.

    Quick skim doesn't seem to say any more than "There's no evidence, but wouldn't it be cool if we found some?" Though this sentence seemed a bit odd as well;

    In that case, extraterrestrials might serve as better role models for a prosperous future than our elected officials.
    I think the main interest is implicit, and depends on what his study shows.

    He seems to be implicitly comparing the soon-to-be-
    published results of his sky survey, with a Copernican revolution in Science. Whether this is because he personally has made a groundbreaking discovery, or he's just trying to generate interest, I have no idea, but it's certainly interesting, as Tim Gaudallet's testimony is.
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