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  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,836

    Even if that account is a parody, the tension in the Trump coalition is real.

    Christian conservatives and horny young men don't make comfortable bedfellows erm... allies.
    Fair.
    All coalitiona include some unlikely allies, mind. Sew 'queers for Palestine'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    That is true, but it is a bar so low that even a limbo dancing mouse would be unable to get under it.
  • I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    theProle said:

    I thought that the quote marks indicated fairly clearly my tongue was somewhat in my cheek. If she really didn't want to vote she wouldn't - but I can just about get her to come down the polling booth if she goes when I go!
    Given we have just had an election in which men expressed the view that women not voting in the way they were told it may have merely been a joke on your part but I would suggest appalling taste and certainly it didn't despite the quote marks come across as a jokey thing at least to me
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,432

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,525
    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Does sound that way. Might as well simply rewatch Gladiator again.
  • Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Yup.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    rcs1000 said:

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
    Is Die Hard 2 a Christmas film?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    rcs1000 said:

    Die Hard 2 is not better than Die Hard.

    That's not a matter of opinion. That is simple fact.
    Well, at least it's too early to discuss if it's a Christmas movie.
  • Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    And Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,297
    edited November 2024
    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    ydoethur said:

    Well, at least it's too early to discuss if it's a Christmas movie.
    Sorry :lol:
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,638
    kamski said:

    Did anyone think Trump would really put RFK Jr in charge of anything important? Biden to run in 2028?
    Hunter ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,525

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Empire Strikes Back was totally f**king awesome.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,638

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Wasn't that a few days ago? Or is this another one, also using the same strange term "group of individuals"?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,831

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Again?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,831
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP Chris Webb had his phone snatched by a gang on bikes last night in London.

    https://x.com/ChrisWebbMP/status/1853724599747330265

    "Chris Webb MP
    @ChrisWebbMP

    Last night, as I was returning to my flat in London, I was attacked and mugged by a group of individuals.

    Luckily, I have no injuries and I am ok. Unfortunately, they just took my phone so I’m without one for the foreseeable future.

    I want to thank the @metpoliceuk for their swift response and support. The officers who assisted me went above and beyond. They are a remarkable credit to the force. "

    Maybe he should tell the Mayor, apparently this is just a fact of life for Londoners and we just need to get used to it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,724

    Missing the point, I'm afraid.

    If young men want young women to have lots of sex, young women will want to have reliable access to contraception and, as a last resort, abortion. Because otherwise, the consequences of saying "yes" are just too heavy to contemplate.

    So those young men who have hitched their wagons to the Trump train run the risk of feeling proper charlies. But that's all they will be doing, even if they're lucky.
    And you know this about all the young men who voted for Trump, do you.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,836
    Taz said:

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    In a democracy, a gallant loser is a hero.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Taz said:

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    I can certainly see Trump echoing Vince Lombardi...
  • Cookie said:

    In a democracy, a gallant loser is a hero.
    "There's a thin line between being a hero, and being a memory." - Optimus Prime.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    Driver said:

    Sorry :lol:
    You should be.

    Your sentence is to watch Die Hard 5 on a loop three times.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,162

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

    Best of all The Wrath of Khan was the greatest ever sequel.

    I saw this and thought of you.


  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,831
    Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    Godfather 2 is better than the first.
  • MaxPB said:

    Die Hard 2 is just okay, 1 and 3 are the best.
    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,197

    And Highlander. Highlander 2 was so much better than the original...
    Highlander II was 91 minutes whilst Highlander was 116. I can see the argument that makes it roughly 27% better.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,525
    Not exactly a sequel, but I adored Dune Part 2 ( I loved Part 1 also).

    I’m intrigued to see how Villeneuve will handle Dune Messiah, especially after turning Chani into the antagonist (but an antagonist who may actually be a true heroine).
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    Not sure about Harris. In her speech last night she said a LOT of questionable things with aggressive rhetoric, such as saying the word "fight" about 20 times lol!

    Biden's speech tonight was truly Presidential and got the tone just right. One of the few times in the past four years I've actually been impressed with him
  • Again?
    Nah, Tweet is from Nov 5th.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,929
    edited November 2024

    And Highlander. Highlander 2 was so much better than the original...
    THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808

    Regardless of one's views, the Democrats, led by Biden and Harris (with additional words from Obama and Clinton) have reacted to their defeat with considerably more dignity than Trump and the Republicans did four years ago.
    They deserve credit for that.

    That's about as low a bar as is possible.
    They're better than that.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,331

    And Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
    Just as the first series of Blackadder was shit but 2, 3 and 4 were great - so the first Trump presidency was terrible but the second, third and fourth will be awesome
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,525

    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
    It is very funny, especially when the black woman gives him a very funny look.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,724

    Bruce Willis wearing that message board in 3 still makes me laugh my head off.

    I am a very bad person for being amused by that message.
    I thought 4.0 was brilliant.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Sean_F said:

    Empire Strikes Back was totally f**king awesome.
    The Empire Strikes Back = Boss ❤
  • Just been out to vote. And taken my son for the first time. Votes at 16 - goooood
  • This is what my 'friends' got me last year for Christmas, like nine of them, separately, the same advent calendar.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808

    I always thought Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard.

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
  • TOPPING said:

    I thought 4.0 was brilliant.
    Delete your account.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    Nigelb said:

    Which is the question I've been posing since his election.
    What will he do in government ? Not yet clear.
    Maximum hilarity would be if he rediscovered his Clinton Democrat soul now he’s won everything he can win.
  • Nah, Tweet is from Nov 5th.
    That's what I mean, it was extensively discussed on here, and why they would be without a phone for the foreseeable future.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,693
    edited November 2024

    This is what my 'friends' got me last year for Christmas, like nine of them, separately, the same advent calendar.


    "Oh, yes. What was it you said to me before? 'Yippee-ki-yay, motherf*cker.'"
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Sean_F said:

    It is very funny, especially when the black woman gives him a very funny look.
    I was not familiar with that.

    So I asked Copilot, which started answering before blanking the response and saying "I'm sorry, but it seems I can't help out with that one".

    Which would have been fine, except (a) I watched the answer appear before vanishing, and (b) it left the bloody Reddit link at the bottom!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,568
    HYUFD said:

    It was the effective answer, both Gore and Hillary were well ahead in the popular vote this long after all polls had closed
    At current levels of vote share, Kamala gains a little over a million on Trump in California, and once you pick up the stragglers from other states, she is probably going to catch up by about a million.

    She is currently over 4 million behind though.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,644
    edited November 2024
    MaxPB said:

    While this is true, it shows how badly US democracy has fallen we now appreciate a peaceful end to an election. Trump has seriously damaged the reputation of the US.
    That's my view too, Max.

    I would be a little more relaxed about it though if I thought a stronger Europe would result, but I'm afraid I'm rather pessimistic about that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402

    That has to be a joke, surely!!!???

    Highlander is the pinnacle example of a fantastic movie being followed up by a steaming pile of dog shite sequel.
    No joke. Mulcahy and Lambert take the shoddy premise of the original and add everything that was missing - an important origin story; a plot based on environmentalism, and ALIENS!!!

    And they got rid of all of that rubbish Queen music and replaced it with tunes from the super genius of Stewart Copeland.

    It is rightly on every list ever made for the top 100 best and most influential films, which is why they've made about five different versions of the film over the years. Fans just cannot get enough of it.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,788
    Taz said:

    A gallant loser is………..a loser
    A pointless post is..........pointless.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    Nigelb said:

    Is it a Christmas movie, though ?
    Oh FFS.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,015
    HYUFD said:

    Died in prison anyway
    fishy?

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.
  • ydoethur said:

    Oh FFS.
    Of course it is a Christmas movie!
  • MaxPB said:

    Godfather 2 is better than the first.
    But 3 was terrible.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Pagan2 said:

    And if he wasn't an mp the response when he rang up would have been "we can give you a crime number"
    What the Met say constantly is using your phone in public is asking for it to be stolen. There are signs up everywhere and announcements on the tubes and trains urging people not to leave their phone "on display" but we are of course so dependent on the devices out they come as soon as we're outside the stations and the muggers, usually on bicycles or e-scooters, take their chance.

    Of course, it shouldn't be like that but it is and we all know that.
  • Sean_F said:

    Re sequels, Aliens and Terminator II were on a par with the originals.

    The Sentry Guns.

    One of the best moments in cinematic history.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    While I'm here, about Badenoch. I thought she'd be a formidable opponent, and although it's very early days, I'm not so sure. Here's why (and I know Crace made a similar point in the Guardian).

    1. One of Badenoch's major selling points is to be passionately pro-free speech and against cancel culture. She has been particularly disparaging about the habit of dredging up historic tweets or other sources and blowing them up out of all proportion as 'gotchas' to seek to character assassinate. (I've some sympathy with her view).

    2. At her first PMQs, Badenoch dredged up an old tweet (Lammy, 2017, in opposition) as a 'gotcha' to seek to drive an unhelpful wedge between the government and the new US President. Worse, she demanded an 'apology' by Lammy for exercising his free speech.

    3. Not a promising start to do precisely what she's been so critical of others doing. I don't think she thought it through.

    It was misjudged and poorly delivered. But of no consequence, she’ll get another go.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    While I'm here, about Badenoch. I thought she'd be a formidable opponent, and although it's very early days, I'm not so sure. Here's why (and I know Crace made a similar point in the Guardian).

    1. One of Badenoch's major selling points is to be passionately pro-free speech and against cancel culture. She has been particularly disparaging about the habit of dredging up historic tweets or other sources and blowing them up out of all proportion as 'gotchas' to seek to character assassinate. (I've some sympathy with her view).

    2. At her first PMQs, Badenoch dredged up an old tweet (Lammy, 2017, in opposition) as a 'gotcha' to seek to drive an unhelpful wedge between the government and the new US President. Worse, she demanded an 'apology' by Lammy for exercising his free speech.

    3. Not a promising start to do precisely what she's been so critical of others doing. I don't think she thought it through.

    It was her first PMQ's and she did fine.

    At Mrs Thatchers first PMQs she went on the topic of... the civil list? Imagine if we had PB and social media in 1975, lol!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    ydoethur said:

    Oh FFS.
    Film For Santa ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,950
    Tim Montgomerie talking appeasement of Putin as a potential benefit of a Trump Presidency on QT.
    More than willing to sell Ukrainian territory down the river.
  • But 3 was terrible.
    Edit: Btw, do we have any experts here on the Fast & Furious franchise? I believe the first film was dreadful, and the sequels got progressively worse. Is this correct?
  • Nigelb said:

    Film For Santa ?
    "Now I have a machine gun... HO! HO! HO!"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    Nigelb said:

    Film For Santa ?
    If we're going to start arguing about Die Hard's Christmas or otherwise statutes I could certainly use a machine gun.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Is Gladiator II going to be shit?

    Yes.

    But it is fortunate that it is out this year, as nothign would be worse than Megalopolis.
  • The Sentry Guns.

    One of the best moments in cinematic history.
    "Aye-firmative!"
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,397
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    It's been a good year for re-screenings. I saw the Trainspotting re-release over the summer and looked really good (the 28 Days Later screening was, however, a soggy SD mess!). Hopefully they'll keep them up next year.
  • stodge said:

    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    Sunak's departure speech was so good that the Conservative Press felt obliged to ignore it completely.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    stodge said:

    What the Met say constantly is using your phone in public is asking for it to be stolen. There are signs up everywhere and announcements on the tubes and trains urging people not to leave their phone "on display" but we are of course so dependent on the devices out they come as soon as we're outside the stations and the muggers, usually on bicycles or e-scooters, take their chance.

    Of course, it shouldn't be like that but it is and we all know that.
    Which wasn't the point I was making, if I was on the same street rang up the police I would just get a shrug and here's a crime number....he rings up the police he gets a swift response and support....two tiers of law here....you are rich, famous, poweful the police fall over themselves to investigate.....be the average joe and frankly fuck off its your own fault
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,297
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    boulay said:

    To be fair, after the first or second watch of gladiator it’s actually not that great and a bit naff. An amazing spectacle when you first watch in a cinema, a different film you notice different things about when you watch it at home but I am never going to watch it as many times as Spartacus or Ben Hur.
    I love Gladiator, I think it holds up well and have rewatched it many times. But I would never have guessed Gladiator II was 'anticipated', the chances of it being the next Top Gun Maverick always seemed low.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Andy_JS said:

    The special effects on that film are incredible.
    I took my son to see it in the cinema for the first time. It really stood up.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,929
    edited November 2024
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    44 year old...

    Eeek!
  • ydoethur said:

    If we're going to start arguing about Die Hard's Christmas or otherwise statutes I could certainly use a machine gun.
    "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Edit: Btw, do we have any experts here on the Fast & Furious franchise? I believe the first film was dreadful, and the sequels got progressively worse. Is this correct?
    The second could only get back one of the original stars, the third could get neither, the fourth was a soft reboot that did surprisingly well, they then got fun for 5,6 and 7, on juusssst the right side of utterly nonsensical, and then because just drek again.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Jonathan said:

    I took my son to see it in the cinema for the first time. It really stood up.
    Oh nice. How old is your son? I hope he enjoyed it?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,525
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    The great tales are timeless. Spartacus was mentioned upthread. Although you know that he and his followers will come to terrible ends, defeat is no refutation.

    “Heart shall be stronger, spirit the keener, will the greater, even as our strength lessens.”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Sean_F said:

    Not exactly a sequel, but I adored Dune Part 2 ( I loved Part 1 also).

    I’m intrigued to see how Villeneuve will handle Dune Messiah, especially after turning Chani into the antagonist (but an antagonist who may actually be a true heroine).

    Maybe he'll surprise us and do the bit between Dune and Dune Messiah - you know, actually show some genocidal jihad.

    I was surprised by Dune Part 2 - I've not liked Chalomet in anything to date, including Dune Part 1, and he actually impressed me with his performance.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485

    Sunak's departure speech was so good that the Conservative Press felt obliged to ignore it completely.
    Yes and the strange thing was it was the perfect speech for the defeated Party. It contained a significant mea culpa which I've not heard from ANY of the other Conservative MP leadership candidates let alone Badenoch herself.

    Sunak started the process of re-connecting the party with the public with that speech but it's not been taken forward by any of the rump intake since to any meaningful extent.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    44 year old...

    Eeek!
    Yes, trying to knock my age down there, haha! 😂
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012

    While I'm here, about Badenoch. I thought she'd be a formidable opponent, and although it's very early days, I'm not so sure. Here's why (and I know Crace made a similar point in the Guardian).

    1. One of Badenoch's major selling points is to be passionately pro-free speech and against cancel culture. She has been particularly disparaging about the habit of dredging up historic tweets or other sources and blowing them up out of all proportion as 'gotchas' to seek to character assassinate. (I've some sympathy with her view).

    2. At her first PMQs, Badenoch dredged up an old tweet (Lammy, 2017, in opposition) as a 'gotcha' to seek to drive an unhelpful wedge between the government and the new US President. Worse, she demanded an 'apology' by Lammy for exercising his free speech.

    3. Not a promising start to do precisely what she's been so critical of others doing. I don't think she thought it through.

    It depends what she, and we, want her to achieve.

    If she aspires to be a statesman then I agree, her approach re foreign affairs - and truly difficult things like dealing with a Trumpian administration - should be to support, encourage, advise, warn, counsel, lead, advocate and all that for a united UK front except where there is a genuine deep ideological split between the parties over something. (With Trump I don't think there is such a split among serious people - other big nations must work unitedly to manage a Trumpian world because he is risky). The last thing she would do would give our enemies succour by making life more difficult for our foreign secretary just because he has been a truthful idiot.

    It may well be that OTOH she aspires merely to be a politician. In which case all is fair, as in love and war.

    PS I like Lammy; but I don't think he will be FS for long. Bet accordingly but DYOR.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    GIN1138 said:

    I got the chance to see The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in September (only the second time I've seen it with an audience - The other time being in 1997 as I was too young for the original 1980 release)

    The theate was packed from front to back and literally nobody left from start to finish, not even for toilet break.

    Amazing really for a 34 year old film.

    A really remarkable watch, back in 1980.

    The one I'll never forget, though, is watching the original release of Apocalypse Now, in a cinema with a banging sound system.
    Just blew my mind.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    MaxPB said:

    While this is true, it shows how badly US democracy has fallen we now appreciate a peaceful end to an election. Trump has seriously damaged the reputation of the US.
    Indeed. Whatever else he has done, personally I cannot get over how he acted at the end of the last election. Despite some initial criticism the american people have proven a lot more forgiving.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    ydoethur said:

    If we're going to start arguing about Die Hard's Christmas or otherwise statutes I could certainly use a machine gun.
    What argument ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    GIN1138 said:

    Oh nice. How old is your son? I hope he enjoyed it?
    16. He really enjoyed it. He’s a fan of Star Wars , but his first big screen encounter. It was a classic father son outing. From The rumble of starships to the majestic imperial march belting out. What’s not to like?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,169
    edited November 2024
    stodge said:

    Certainly agree about Biden - an excellent speech. Indeed, there are many examples of politicians reacting with real dignity to their defeat - John Major and Rishi Sunak to name but two.

    They set an example which unfortunately all too many of their supporters choose not to follow.
    It makes some of the gloating here about Trump's victory all the more nauseating. There would hundreds of lawsuits and marches on the capitol at the very least had the result been reversed.

    I think we'll end up missing Biden, or at least the competent team he had running things.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Cookie said:

    True. If you can console yourself qith nothing else when losing an election, console yourself that by consenting as a loser to the result that you extend the concept of democracy to the next election. Loser's consent is one of the wonders of our age and ahould be treasured and celebrated.
    Which is why a gallant loser is not merely a loser.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Jonathan said:

    16. He really enjoyed it. He’s a fan of Star Wars , but his first big screen encounter. It was a classic father son outing. From The rumble of starships to the majestic imperial march belting out. What’s not to like?
    :heart:
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Pagan2 said:

    Which wasn't the point I was making, if I was on the same street rang up the police I would just get a shrug and here's a crime number....he rings up the police he gets a swift response and support....two tiers of law here....you are rich, famous, poweful the police fall over themselves to investigate.....be the average joe and frankly fuck off its your own fault
    Yes and I did undertand what you were trying to say. I know exactly what you mean and the line nowadays is the best way not to be a victim of crime is to stop the crime being committed and not be an easy "mark" or target for such opportunistic crime. The Met want the public to stop the crimes being committed because they know as we know there's little or no prospect of resolution or justice once the crime has occurred.

    Two tier policing has always existed and there's no point imagining it hasn't. Money, wealth, influence or power gets you a long way, often a very long way, in this world.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,655
    kle4 said:

    Maybe he'll surprise us and do the bit between Dune and Dune Messiah - you know, actually show some genocidal jihad.

    I was surprised by Dune Part 2 - I've not liked Chalomet in anything to date, including Dune Part 1, and he actually impressed me with his performance.
    That reminds me - the spin-off "Dune: Prophecy" starts on the 17th :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_Prophecy

  • Eabhal said:

    It makes some of the gloating here about Trump's victory all the more nauseating. There would hundreds of lawsuits and marches on the capitol at the very least had the result been reversed.

    I think we'll end up missing Biden, or at least the competent team he had running things.
    "Listen to me. Learn from me. I was not the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the electorate loved me. Win the electorate and you will win your freedom."
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Eabhal said:

    It makes some of the gloating here about Trump's victory all the more nauseating. There would hundreds of lawsuits and marches on the capitol at the very least had the result been reversed.

    I think we'll end up missing Biden, or at least the competent team he had running things.
    The point is many of those on here who are gloating about Trump aren't really Trump supporters - it's more about having a go at the "woke", the "lefties", the "liberal-left elite" or whatever perjorative works best for them.

    In the end that's what politics becomes - it's not who you are for that matters, it's who you are against.
  • Sean_F said:

    The great tales are timeless. Spartacus was mentioned upthread. Although you know that he and his followers will come to terrible ends, defeat is no refutation.

    “Heart shall be stronger, spirit the keener, will the greater, even as our strength lessens.”
    That must be how Starmer sees himself.
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