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System · October 28

Well that escalated quickly – politicalbetting.com

Kemi Badenoch goes low vs Robert Jenrick in Sunday Telegraph interview https://t.co/S8ShTtccD2 pic.twitter.com/LwPgMThQoM

Read the full story here

dixiedean · October 28

First.

Leon · October 28

Agreed. Unwise from Kemi

Also unnecessary - she’s surely winning? Unless she has private info that she’s not and she needs to do this

Jonathan · October 28

Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.

dixiedean · October 28

dixiedean said:
First.

Early bird and all that.
Election fever. No result in Japan.
Still no change in BC. Saskatchewan today.

Casino_Royale · October 28

Leon said:
Agreed. Unwise from Kemi

Also unnecessary - she’s surely winning? Unless she has private info that she’s not and she needs to do this

She's winning. She was probably just goaded into an indiscreet answer.

She's right though.

Leon · October 28

😶

"Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." ― Alexis de Tocqueville

https://x.com/pmarca/status/1850685013806977530?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

eek · October 28

If you came second in this election - would you really want to be in the shadow cabinet of your opponent. The sensible thing would be to remain outside the shadow cabinet and devote the time to attending fund raising dinners at any constituencies that want you as a speaker...

Nigelb · October 28

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.

Still, they should give the mad monk a run fir his money in the mad stakes.

Nigelb · October 28

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:
Agreed. Unwise from Kemi

Also unnecessary - she’s surely winning? Unless she has private info that she’s not and she needs to do this
She's winning. She was probably just goaded into an indiscreet answer.

She's right though.

"Where there is discord, may we bring harmony..."

ClippP · October 28

"I'm not as bad as the other one" is not a slogan that is likely to inspire and motivate the country, or even the traditional decent Conservative voters.

Leon · October 28

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.

And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all

dixiedean · October 28

ClippP said:
"I'm not as bad as the other one" is not a slogan that is likely to inspire and motivate the country, or even the traditional decent Conservative voters.

It's just won a landslide!

maxh · October 28

Agh, I just took the Telegraph 'who should I vote for' quiz: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/09/tory-leadership-contest-quiz/

Apparently I'm leaning Jenrick. I shall exile myself to Con Home in self-disgust.

Morris_Dancer · October 28

Good morning, everyone.

F1: I wonder if Verstappen doesn't mind the 20s penalty.

There's a premium on winning. 7 points over the next place, more than twice that of any other position difference. If he had let Norris through and ended up 4th, that would have been 12 points for the Dutchman. If Norris wins, he cuts Verstappen's lead by 13 points (more than the average required). Instead, Norris cuts it by 10 points, less than the require amount.

Also, very good racing by Sainz, and good day for Haas too.

Jonathan · October 28

@leon as our resident right wing outrider, why do the right keep going on about IQ? It’s a subject you’ve talked about in the past few years.

Is there an influential book circulating in right wing circles? Seems more specific than social Darwinism. What’s behind it? Curious.

TheScreamingEagles · October 28

Leon said:
Agreed. Unwise from Kemi

Also unnecessary - she’s surely winning? Unless she has private info that she’s not and she needs to do this

The last YouGov poll had her lead over Jenrick slashed to 4% from 18%.

TheScreamingEagles · October 28

Jonathan said:
@leon as our resident right wing outrider, why do the right keep going on about IQ? It’s a subject you’ve talked about in the past few years.

Is there an influential book circulating in right wing circles? Seems more specific than social Darwinism. What’s behind it? Curious.

The Turner Diaries.

Nigelb · October 28

He actually means pre-history, but should get Leon excited.

Archeologists just found ancient highly advanced stone structures in West Java radiocarbon dated to be between 27,000 - 16,000 years old, drastically upending our theories of human civilization.

Along with Gobli Tepeke it seems like our entire conception of history is flawed 🧵..
https://x.com/Andercot/status/1850316794914849026

eek · October 28

Morris_Dancer said:
Good morning, everyone.

F1: I wonder if Verstappen doesn't mind the 20s penalty.

There's a premium on winning. 7 points over the next place, more than twice that of any other position difference. If he had let Norris through and ended up 4th, that would have been 12 points for the Dutchman. If Norris wins, he cuts Verstappen's lead by 13 points (more than the average required). Instead, Norris cuts it by 10 points, less than the require amount.

Also, very good racing by Sainz, and good day for Haas too.

Reality is that Max shunt will continue to do things the way he does until he's disqualified for a race or 2...

Sadly he needs to fail to complete / be disqualified for Lando to have any chance of winning.

RochdalePioneers · October 28

Morris_Dancer said:
Good morning, everyone.

F1: I wonder if Verstappen doesn't mind the 20s penalty.

There's a premium on winning. 7 points over the next place, more than twice that of any other position difference. If he had let Norris through and ended up 4th, that would have been 12 points for the Dutchman. If Norris wins, he cuts Verstappen's lead by 13 points (more than the average required). Instead, Norris cuts it by 10 points, less than the require amount.

Also, very good racing by Sainz, and good day for Haas too.

Max thinks he will retain the drivers title - and he's right. Despite the car being a bag of spanners at this end of the season his lead is enough that as long as he keeps finishing in the points he will be ok.

He didn't ram Lando off twice on the same lap because of calculation. He did it because he is possessed by the cheating spirit of the Michael.

Story of the weekend has to be Perez. Watch how Max scythes his way through the field from the back. Watch how Sergio doesn't. Even the damage was self-inflicted. Meanwhile Lawson shows all the umph that Mexican Tom Cruise lacks...

Leon · October 28

Nigelb said:
He actually means pre-history, but should get Leon excited.

Archeologists just found ancient highly advanced stone structures in West Java radiocarbon dated to be between 27,000 - 16,000 years old, drastically upending our theories of human civilization.

Along with Gobli Tepeke it seems like our entire conception of history is flawed 🧵..
https://x.com/Andercot/status/1850316794914849026

Is that legit?!?!

If so, Graham Hancock must be grinning

TheScreamingEagles · October 28

RochdalePioneers said:

Morris_Dancer said:
Good morning, everyone.

F1: I wonder if Verstappen doesn't mind the 20s penalty.

There's a premium on winning. 7 points over the next place, more than twice that of any other position difference. If he had let Norris through and ended up 4th, that would have been 12 points for the Dutchman. If Norris wins, he cuts Verstappen's lead by 13 points (more than the average required). Instead, Norris cuts it by 10 points, less than the require amount.

Also, very good racing by Sainz, and good day for Haas too.
Max thinks he will retain the drivers title - and he's right. Despite the car being a bag of spanners at this end of the season his lead is enough that as long as he keeps finishing in the points he will be ok.

He didn't ram Lando off twice on the same lap because of calculation. He did it because he is possessed by the cheating spirit of the Michael.

Story of the weekend has to be Perez. Watch how Max scythes his way through the field from the back. Watch how Sergio doesn't. Even the damage was self-inflicted. Meanwhile Lawson shows all the umph that Mexican Tom Cruise lacks...

I am a fan of Liam Lawson now.

Lawson overtaking Perez in his home race and showing him the middle finger 😭

https://x.com/ferranwest/status/1850647033582924162

Jonathan · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all

Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.

HYUFD · October 28

Given Jenrick will almost certainly if he does lose lose by a narrower margin than any defeated Tory leadership contender this century then Kemi will have to give him a Shadow Cabinet post for party unity. He shouldn't go off in a huff like Rishi did when Truss won either.

I don't think Kemi attacking Jenrick's past in this way exactly helps matters. Nor does Jenrick saying she would be the death of the Tory party, even if Badenoch would constantly have Farage in her rear view mirror

Sandpit · October 28

eek said:

Morris_Dancer said:
Good morning, everyone.

F1: I wonder if Verstappen doesn't mind the 20s penalty.

There's a premium on winning. 7 points over the next place, more than twice that of any other position difference. If he had let Norris through and ended up 4th, that would have been 12 points for the Dutchman. If Norris wins, he cuts Verstappen's lead by 13 points (more than the average required). Instead, Norris cuts it by 10 points, less than the require amount.

Also, very good racing by Sainz, and good day for Haas too.
Reality is that Max shunt will continue to do things the way he does until he's disqualified for a race or 2...

Sadly he needs to fail to complete / be disqualified for Lando to have any chance of winning.

Would be a real shame if someone makes sure he gets a DNF or two. Just catching up on the race now, it having been on at midnight in my time zone, some of MVs worst driving but at least the stewards did their job properly this week. Shame they couldn’t have done the same last week.

Leon · October 28

Nigelb said:
He actually means pre-history, but should get Leon excited.

Archeologists just found ancient highly advanced stone structures in West Java radiocarbon dated to be between 27,000 - 16,000 years old, drastically upending our theories of human civilization.

Along with Gobli Tepeke it seems like our entire conception of history is flawed 🧵..
https://x.com/Andercot/status/1850316794914849026

I’ve got my doubts about this, some mad claims are made in the world of Javanese archaeology, but of this is true, this is exactly what happened at Gobekli and the Tas Tepeler

“Around 7900 - 6100 BCE the structures were intentionally buried with soil infills and the site lay dormant for another 1000 years, before several more generations used it, each separated by a thousand years or more.”

https://x.com/andercot/status/1850316808810852442?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

TheScreamingEagles · October 28

Sandpit said:

eek said:

Morris_Dancer said:
Good morning, everyone.

F1: I wonder if Verstappen doesn't mind the 20s penalty.

There's a premium on winning. 7 points over the next place, more than twice that of any other position difference. If he had let Norris through and ended up 4th, that would have been 12 points for the Dutchman. If Norris wins, he cuts Verstappen's lead by 13 points (more than the average required). Instead, Norris cuts it by 10 points, less than the require amount.

Also, very good racing by Sainz, and good day for Haas too.
Reality is that Max shunt will continue to do things the way he does until he's disqualified for a race or 2...

Sadly he needs to fail to complete / be disqualified for Lando to have any chance of winning.
Would be a real shame if someone makes sure he gets a DNF or two. Just catching up on the race now, it having been on at midnight in my time zone, some of MVs worst driving but at least the stewards did their job properly this week. Shame they couldn’t have done the same last week.

For LOLs and the fume, Sir Lewis needs to take out the Dutch shunt in a couple of races.

kamski · October 28

Nigelb said:
He actually means pre-history, but should get Leon excited.

Archeologists just found ancient highly advanced stone structures in West Java radiocarbon dated to be between 27,000 - 16,000 years old, drastically upending our theories of human civilization.

Along with Gobli Tepeke it seems like our entire conception of history is flawed 🧵..
https://x.com/Andercot/status/1850316794914849026

BTW, why do you keep linking to Twitter?
- it's annoying for those of us who aren't on Twitter so can't read all of it
- usually the Tweet itself is based on some other source so why not just link to the actual source?
- many times Twitter is misleading or just plain wrong, including several times with tweets that you link to without bothering to check if they are accurate
- it's owned by badly drawn Bond villain Elon Musk

Morris_Dancer · October 28

Mr. eek, I agree that a DNF or similar is likely needed. But I think Verstappen is a bit concerned about Norris potentially catching him.

Mr. Pioneers, Perez was doing alright until the Lawson contact. But, yeah, not a great weekend for him.

Leon · October 28

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.

Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Jonathan · October 28

HYUFD said:
Given Jenrick will almost certainly if he does lose lose by a narrower margin than any defeated Tory leadership contender this century then Kemi will have to give him a Shadow Cabinet post for party unity. He shouldn't go off in a huff like Rishi did when Truss won.

I don't think Kemi attacking Jenrick's past in this way exactly helps matters. Nor does Jenrick saying she would be the death of the Tory party, even if Badenoch would constantly have Farage in her rear view mirror

Their spat does make it hard for each to serve in the others cabinet. How can you serve and play nice with someone who is the death of the party or dodgy?

This sort of comment makes it impossible to heal parties, the wise heads left should come down on this like a ton of bricks.

Leon · October 28

Jonathan said:
@leon as our resident right wing outrider, why do the right keep going on about IQ? It’s a subject you’ve talked about in the past few years.

Is there an influential book circulating in right wing circles? Seems more specific than social Darwinism. What’s behind it? Curious.

Many reasons. Do some reading. Start with The Bell Curve

RochdalePioneers · October 28

Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. eek, I agree that a DNF or similar is likely needed. But I think Verstappen is a bit concerned about Norris potentially catching him.

Mr. Pioneers, Perez was doing alright until the Lawson contact. But, yeah, not a great weekend for him.

No, he wasn't. He leapt 5 places in the turn 1 incident by being on the right of the track. After that his progress was practically non-existent until he took the 5-second penalty, at which point he ran round at the back for the rest of the race.

Stuartinromford · October 28

Deadline is 5pm Thursday. Most people will have voted by now. People relying on the post even more so.

One of the characteristics generally accepted about Kemi is her ability to start a fight in an empty room. Feisty is good, gratuitous feisty much less so. Even (perhaps especially) when goaded into it.

Still better than the alternative.

Leon · October 28

Stuartinromford said:
Deadline is 5pm Thursday. Most people will have voted by now. People relying on the post even more so.

One of the characteristics generally accepted about Kemi is her ability to start a fight in an empty room. Feisty is good, gratuitous feisty much less so. Even (perhaps especially) when goaded into it.

Still better than the alternative.

She will, at least, be entertaining

And that will be a genuine virtue as we face five long grey bleak and desperate years of Starmer-Reeves

Jonathan · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.

Foxy · October 28

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:
Agreed. Unwise from Kemi

Also unnecessary - she’s surely winning? Unless she has private info that she’s not and she needs to do this
The last YouGov poll had her lead over Jenrick slashed to 4% from 18%.

Surely all the votes are in by now, so they've left it a bit late, but maybe the 6 on Jenrick is now value.

Morris_Dancer · October 28

Mr. Pioneers, Perez was definitely out of position but the penalty and the damage to his car occurred at the same point.

Leon · October 28

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.

What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun

Morris_Dancer · October 28

F1: I've backed both McLaren (4.1) and Ferrari (9.5) for the title. Because of that, I'm just going to sit on those. But if you only backed the recent Ferrari tip you may wish to hedge with the lay of 3 on Betfair.

Piastri screwed up qualifying but McLaren had enough pace to mean Ferrari should've only taken a small chunk out of their lead. I'd probably put the Italian team as favourites but it's likely going to be very close.

Sandpit · October 28

For balance:

Discussion of the actual trash problem on the island of Puerto Rico, which is something the locals have been petitioning the US govt to do something about for years.
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1850716103993176220
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1850716228907843746
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/14/570927809/after-maria-puerto-rico-struggles-under-the-weight-of-its-own-garbage
https://grist.org/extreme-weather/disaster-debris-is-pushing-puerto-ricos-landfills-to-the-brink/

Republican Puerto Rican woman who thanks the comedian for bringing up the subject, and hopes that Trump might actually try and fix the problem. https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1850754860892967097

Stuartinromford · October 28

"No scandal" is also rather leading with her chin.

I'm confident that she's less tawdry than Tawdry Bob, but none at all? That sort of statement always makes me want to count the spoons. (My experience is that the "better" people are, the more aware they are of their little wrongs. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves" as the liturgy put it.)

For a start, there was "hacking into rival candidate's website"-gate.

Leon · October 28

As you were on Java’s Gobekli Tepe, looks like a wild exaggeration if not a pack of fibs

https://x.com/andercot/status/1850608937344581763?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Jonathan · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun

Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.

HYUFD · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

On those numbers not impossible we could have Labour, the Tories and Reform all in the twenties in a few months and be heading for a narrow Labour majority or a hung parliament.

In which case the options next time in a hung parliament would be either a Labour government propped up by the LDs or a Tory and Reform deal

Eabhal · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun

Your?

PSA: Leon voted Labour.

Leon · October 28

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.

You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm

Morris_Dancer · October 28

As an aside, just started Anthony Kaldellis' The New Roman Empire. It's got some splendid maps at the start. Also thinner than a book of around 1,100 pages or so might be expected.

Jonathan · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm

I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.

Mexicanpete · October 28

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.

You are wrong, he's tapped into a rich seam of "likes" and general adulation. I can't see this theme dying down anytime soon.

Big_G_NorthWales · October 28

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
On those numbers not impossible we could have Labour, the Tories and Reform all in the twenties in a few months and be heading for a narrow Labour majority or a hung parliament.

In which case the options next time in a hung parliament would be either a Labour government propped up by the LDs or a Tory and Reform deal

Good morning

I understand just 50% of the membership have voted so far

And speculation for the next Parliament is futile

Theuniondivvie · October 28

Leon said:
😶

"Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." ― Alexis de Tocqueville

https://x.com/pmarca/status/1850685013806977530?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

The internet is infested with twerps quoting dead great thinkers hoping some profundity will rub off on them.

More importantly, the question of the day is how will you and your fellow Muskies be expressing your Dark Gothic MAGA?

nico679 · October 28

Sandpit said:
For balance:

Discussion of the actual trash problem on the island of Puerto Rico, which is something the locals have been petitioning the US govt to do something about for years.
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1850716103993176220
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1850716228907843746
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/14/570927809/after-maria-puerto-rico-struggles-under-the-weight-of-its-own-garbage
https://grist.org/extreme-weather/disaster-debris-is-pushing-puerto-ricos-landfills-to-the-brink/

Republican Puerto Rican woman who thanks the comedian for bringing up the subject, and hopes that Trump might actually try and fix the problem. https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1850754860892967097

Relying on Trump who hates Puerto Rico and didn’t want to give post hurricane aid !

dixiedean · October 28

It's going to be a dark few months in many ways.

TimS · October 28

Sandpit said:
For balance:

Discussion of the actual trash problem on the island of Puerto Rico, which is something the locals have been petitioning the US govt to do something about for years.
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1850716103993176220
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1850716228907843746
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/14/570927809/after-maria-puerto-rico-struggles-under-the-weight-of-its-own-garbage
https://grist.org/extreme-weather/disaster-debris-is-pushing-puerto-ricos-landfills-to-the-brink/

Republican Puerto Rican woman who thanks the comedian for bringing up the subject, and hopes that Trump might actually try and fix the problem. https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1850754860892967097

TLDR whatever Trump or his MAGA colleagues say or do, voters will either brush it off or welcome it. Conversely if Harris so much as puts a foot wrong she’s finished.

I’m not being flippant, it’s the truth. People really do give populist bullshitters much more latitude than technocratic centrists in the current climate.

The way I see it is like a pandemic. Ethnic populism is all around, it’s easily spread human-human, the population are highly susceptible as their natural immunity is waning after decades of limited exposure, and it takes extreme care to avoid spreading further.

Stuartinromford · October 28

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
On those numbers not impossible we could have Labour, the Tories and Reform all in the twenties in a few months and be heading for a narrow Labour majority or a hung parliament.

In which case the options next time in a hung parliament would be either a Labour government propped up by the LDs or a Tory and Reform deal
Good morning

I understand just 50% of the membership have voted so far

And speculation for the next Parliament is futile

Turnout last time was about eighty percent, roughly 140k votes out of 175k members. The percentage was pretty similar in 2019 and 2005.

Can see all three numbers being significantly down this time.

Mexicanpete · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm

That means its nearly dinnertime. The night is young. Are there no longer hookers in Japan?

nico679 · October 28

If the so called Puerto Rico joke was so funny they why are a host of GOP politicians with a large amount of Puerto Rican constituents in full panic mode distancing themselves from it?

There are close to half a million voters in Pennsylvania of Puerto Rican heritage !

Leon · October 28

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm
I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.

That’s a more gracious reply than I deserved after being quite rude. So Thankyou for your politesse

Glad you enjoy the travelogue

I’ve actually moved on from Japan… but I’m still out east. And now I just go shower before my first bibimbap

JohnLilburne · October 28

Have just read the header. If Jenrick says the "party will die" if people make accusations of poor integrity - presumably he is stating that the Conservative Party is a party for grifters, and it needs to stay that way

HYUFD · October 28

The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral

squareroot2 · October 28

The Harsh reality.. that Keir Starmer says we face ... is the harsh reality of a high tax high spend Labour Govt. It's always ended in tearsbefore and it will do so again.

I am beginning to.realise there is no party I would consider voting for atm.

Scott_xP · October 28

dixiedean said:
It's going to be a dark few months in many ways.

We live on the dumbest timeline...

HYUFD · October 28

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
On those numbers not impossible we could have Labour, the Tories and Reform all in the twenties in a few months and be heading for a narrow Labour majority or a hung parliament.

In which case the options next time in a hung parliament would be either a Labour government propped up by the LDs or a Tory and Reform deal
Good morning

I understand just 50% of the membership have voted so far

And speculation for the next Parliament is futile

The polling is already effectively showing that

Eabhal · October 28

nico679 said:
If the so called Puerto Rico joke was so funny they why are a host of GOP politicians with a large amount of Puerto Rican constituents in full panic mode distancing themselves from it?

There are close to half a million voters in Pennsylvania of Puerto Rican heritage !

A racist remark from a comedian does not a joke make.

I don't mind some edgy comedy but there has to be something clever about it. It might have kind of worked if the great garbage patch was in the Caribbean (like Puerto Rico), but it's in the Pacific. It would also have to be topical, with the patch in the news recently.

This episode demontrates how "punching-down" comedy is very difficult to pull off, and a Trump rally isn't perhaps the best place to give it a go. A ballsy comedian would have gone after white right-wingers and played on self-deprecation.

Fishing · October 28

squareroot2 said:
The Harsh reality.. that Keir Starmrr says we face ... is the harsh reality of a high tax high spend Govt. It's always ended in tears and it will do again.

I am beginning to.realise there is no party I would consider voting for atm.

It's not just that it's high spend, though that's bad enough. If we got a working, efficient government, that would be defensible.

But shovelling tens of billions to useless climate aid and more to their public sector union pals without insisting on any worthwhile reforms obviously shows that they don't understand what efficiency actually involves. Either that, or they do, and just don't give a damn.

Sandpit · October 28

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral

Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

Pro_Rata · October 28

Good morning.

And happy Ligurian Regional Election Polls Close Day.

(Indications it is a very close one in a broadly two way centre-left coalition / centre-right* coalition contest).

Previous centre-right candidate, who won by 18 points in 2020, was corruption scandal hit,
so early election. Centre-right standing another candidate not specifically party aligned, against a centre-left PD candidate.

Techne polling favours the centre-left, 3 or 4 others pollsters have it neck and neck or a small centre-right lead.

* regular note, that this is an official alliance designation.

nico679 · October 28

Eabhal said:

nico679 said:
If the so called Puerto Rico joke was so funny they why are a host of GOP politicians with a large amount of Puerto Rican constituents in full panic mode distancing themselves from it?

There are close to half a million voters in Pennsylvania of Puerto Rican heritage !
A racist remark from a comedian does not a joke make.

I don't mind some edgy comedy but there has to be something clever about it. It might have kind of worked if the great garbage patch was in the Caribbean (like Puerto Rico), but it's in the Pacific. It would also have to be topical, with the patch in the news recently.

This episode demontrates how "punching-down" comedy is very difficult to pull off, and a Trump rally isn't perhaps the best place to give it a go. A ballsy comedian would have gone after white right-wingers and played on self-deprecation.

I’m all for edgy comedy . The so called joke just wasn’t funny and that’s the problem .

Mexicanpete · October 28

Scott_xP said:

dixiedean said:
It's going to be a dark few months in many ways.
We live on the dumbest timeline...

Autoworkers, African Americans, pro-Palestinians and Puerto Ricans voting for Trump's manifesto is quite something to behold.

JohnLilburne · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm
I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.
That’s a more gracious reply than I deserved after being quite rude. So Thankyou for your politesse

Glad you enjoy the travelogue

I’ve actually moved on from Japan… but I’m still out east. And now I just go shower before my first bibimbap

I'm on a train from Graz to Vienna after a two week tour and a marathon. Unfortunately I'm on my way home. I think it's the first time I've been away on my own for more than two weeks (Fri-Mon, 3 weekends) and feel I could stay out longer. Having said that, I have been mostly in NL and Germany which I find culturally easy to navigate, and with a marathon in the middle I have kept it fairly easy.

My flight isn't until 5pm so I am hoping to have time for lunch at Plachutta.

One thing I have learned is that DB really is shite, if you look at the departure board at any busy time it seems half the trains are cancelled or have a Spätung indicated. After my journey from Amsterdam to Hamburg was disrupted had a nice email from NS hoping I got where I wanted to and telling me how to claim delay repay

Scott_xP · October 28

Sandpit said:
The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

It was on the autocue

Jonathan · October 28

squareroot2 said:
The Harsh reality.. that Keir Starmer says we face ... is the harsh reality of a high tax high spend Labour Govt. It's always ended in tearsbefore and it will do so again.

I am beginning to.realise there is no party I would consider voting for atm.

Meanwhile in the past ten years, Britain’s foreign policy has been dismantled by events, competition and bad decisions.

NATO - one hanging chad from disaster
EU - thanks Nigel and Boris, what an own goal!
UN, largely impotent.
Commonwealth - obviously no longer a thing. Was held together by QE2 and warped by Chinese and Russian money and influence.
G7, now less GDP than the BRICS

Never have we been more isolated. Our economic and military weakness leaves us vulnerable. Even our cultural influence is on the wane. Alarm bells should be ringing.

rottenborough · October 28

The majority of Penn's 580K latinos are of Puerto Rico descendent.

LOL.

Cicero · October 28

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
@leon as our resident right wing outrider, why do the right keep going on about IQ? It’s a subject you’ve talked about in the past few years.

Is there an influential book circulating in right wing circles? Seems more specific than social Darwinism. What’s behind it? Curious.
Many reasons. Do some reading. Start with The Bell Curve

Given your well known issues with mental health, I would have though the Bell Jar would be more appropriate reading.

Herrnstein and Murray have made fundamental errors in statistical analysis to the point that the book is discredited and those who rely on it for their arguments are basically trolls.

QED

rottenborough · October 28

Mexicanpete said:

Scott_xP said:

dixiedean said:
It's going to be a dark few months in many ways.
We live on the dumbest timeline...
Autoworkers, African Americans, pro-Palestinians and Puerto Ricans voting for Trump's manifesto is quite something to behold.

They'll bitterly regret it in a couple of years time but of course will be far too late.

Theuniondivvie · October 28

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

Big ‘We accidentally chose a racist comedian for our biggest rally of the campaign who in no way represents our true principles’ vibe.

Incidentally why are Trump and assorted weirdos singing their little hearts out in NYC just over a week before the election? I’m beginning to think the ‘Trump may win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College’ guys might be onto something.

Nigelb · October 28

Eabhal said:

nico679 said:
If the so called Puerto Rico joke was so funny they why are a host of GOP politicians with a large amount of Puerto Rican constituents in full panic mode distancing themselves from it?

There are close to half a million voters in Pennsylvania of Puerto Rican heritage !
A racist remark from a comedian does not a joke make.

I don't mind some edgy comedy but there has to be something clever about it. It might have kind of worked if the great garbage patch was in the Caribbean (like Puerto Rico), but it's in the Pacific. It would also have to be topical, with the patch in the news recently.

This episode demontrates how "punching-down" comedy is very difficult to pull off, and a Trump rally isn't perhaps the best place to give it a go. A ballsy comedian would have gone after white right-wingers and played on self-deprecation.

It wasn't the one joke.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1850613109402013792

Stuartinromford · October 28

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

Does the GOP have any staffers willing and able to blue pencil inappropriate jokes?

One of the foundational beliefs of the Muskian Right is that you just can't make jokes any more.

eek · October 28

JohnLilburne said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm
I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.
That’s a more gracious reply than I deserved after being quite rude. So Thankyou for your politesse

Glad you enjoy the travelogue

I’ve actually moved on from Japan… but I’m still out east. And now I just go shower before my first bibimbap
I'm on a train from Graz to Vienna after a two week tour and a marathon. Unfortunately I'm on my way home. I think it's the first time I've been away on my own for more than two weeks (Fri-Mon, 3 weekends) and feel I could stay out longer. Having said that, I have been mostly in NL and Germany which I find culturally easy to navigate, and with a marathon in the middle I have kept it fairly easy.

My flight isn't until 5pm so I am hoping to have time for lunch at Plachutta.

One thing I have learned is that DB really is shite, if you look at the departure board at any busy time it seems half the trains are cancelled or have a Spätung indicated. After my journey from Amsterdam to Hamburg was disrupted had a nice email from NS hoping I got where I wanted to and telling me how to claim delay repay

Germany has a reputation for efficiency that really doesn't match the reality there.

I'm off to Berlin again in May (with Mrs Eek this time round) and I'm really not looking forward to the return leg via Berlin's airport - it doesn't even have an accessible lounge..

Scott_xP · October 28

Theuniondivvie said:
Big ‘We accidentally chose a racist comedian for our biggest rally of the campaign who in no way represents our true principles’ vibe.

He says the joke was taken out of context.

The context being a Nazi rally...

rottenborough · October 28

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

Trump's campaign has the feel of they know they've won a landslide so they can act out all their freaky weird bollocks and it wont matter.

Carville has been arguing that in contrast the Dems are doing the hard slog - GOTV, flooding swing states with activists, big $ on social media etc etc. The hard slog will win.

I'm not so sure. Dark times.

Nigelb · October 28

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

"Find a clip".

Can you find one where he was funny ?

eek · October 28

Theuniondivvie said:

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.
Big ‘We accidentally chose a racist comedian for our biggest rally of the campaign who in no way represents our true principles’ vibe.

Incidentally why are Trump and assorted weirdos singing their little hearts out in NYC just over a week before the election? I’m beginning to think the ‘Trump may win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College’ guys might be onto something.

If Trump wins the popular vote he may well win the Electoral College via legal games...

And there is a separate issue where a lot of (the "Democrat") States have agreed that eventually all their votes will go to the winner of the popular vote - it just hasn't reached quorum yet.

Edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

nico679 · October 28

rottenborough said:
The majority of Penn's 580K latinos are of Puerto Rico descendent.

LOL.

On the same evening as the rally “joke “ Harris was putting forward plans to help Puerto Rico .

carnforth · October 28

Eabhal said:

nico679 said:
If the so called Puerto Rico joke was so funny they why are a host of GOP politicians with a large amount of Puerto Rican constituents in full panic mode distancing themselves from it?

There are close to half a million voters in Pennsylvania of Puerto Rican heritage !
A racist remark from a comedian does not a joke make.

Yes it does. Intent matters. If it was intended to be funny, and said by a professional comedian, it's a joke. Maybe a bad joke, or a racist joke, or an unfunny joke. Or all three. But still a joke.

Retroactively calling jokes "remarks" like you did or "statements" like faux-outraged newsreaders do when things like this happen is silly.

Eabhal · October 28

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

Carr jokes about himself and members of his audience though. The same goes for people like Shane Gillis and Dave Chapelle, who are essentially taking the piss out of their own demographics.

For example: https://youtu.be/fPCEjURvaX0?si=9VVmlqpW7ONSoJMC

"We are closed on 9/11", "I used to have fun once".

Roger · October 28

'Trump fills Madison Square Garden with anger vitriol and racist threats......'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madison-square-garden-rally

GIN1138 · October 28

Don't think Kemi will be offering Jenrick a shadow cabinet position anytime soon... 😂

Theuniondivvie · October 28

The lion that squeaked.

https://x.com/nagy_minaj/status/1850735005586076109?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

Scott_xP · October 28

nico679 said:

rottenborough said:
The majority of Penn's 580K latinos are of Puerto Rico descendent.

LOL.

On the same evening as the rally “joke “ Harris was putting forward plans to help Puerto Rico .

The 'joke' inspired badbunny to repost Kamala's remarks to his 45 million followers on insta

squareroot2 · October 28

Jonathan said:

squareroot2 said:
The Harsh reality.. that Keir Starmer says we face ... is the harsh reality of a high tax high spend Labour Govt. It's always ended in tearsbefore and it will do so again.

I am beginning to.realise there is no party I would consider voting for atm.
Meanwhile in the past ten years, Britain’s foreign policy has been dismantled by events, competition and bad decisions.

NATO - one hanging chad from disaster
EU - thanks Nigel and Boris, what an own goal!
UN, largely impotent.
Commonwealth - obviously no longer a thing. Was held together by QE2 and warped by Chinese and Russian money and influence.
G7, now less GDP than the BRICS

Never have we been more isolated. Our economic and military weakness leaves us vulnerable. Even our cultural influence is on the wane. Alarm bells should be ringing.

Do you think the idiot Lammy is going to fix everything.... Labour are completely clueless putting idiots in senior positions.

JohnLilburne · October 28

eek said:

JohnLilburne said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm
I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.
That’s a more gracious reply than I deserved after being quite rude. So Thankyou for your politesse

Glad you enjoy the travelogue

I’ve actually moved on from Japan… but I’m still out east. And now I just go shower before my first bibimbap
I'm on a train from Graz to Vienna after a two week tour and a marathon. Unfortunately I'm on my way home. I think it's the first time I've been away on my own for more than two weeks (Fri-Mon, 3 weekends) and feel I could stay out longer. Having said that, I have been mostly in NL and Germany which I find culturally easy to navigate, and with a marathon in the middle I have kept it fairly easy.

My flight isn't until 5pm so I am hoping to have time for lunch at Plachutta.

One thing I have learned is that DB really is shite, if you look at the departure board at any busy time it seems half the trains are cancelled or have a Spätung indicated. After my journey from Amsterdam to Hamburg was disrupted had a nice email from NS hoping I got where I wanted to and telling me how to claim delay repay
Germany has a reputation for efficiency that really doesn't match the reality there.

I'm off to Berlin again in May (with Mrs Eek this time round) and I'm really not looking forward to the return leg via Berlin's airport - it doesn't even have an accessible lounge..

Er no, the non-Schengen terminal of Berlin-Brandenburg is shite, and a long walk across a car park. They haven't even worked out they can make money out of us with duty free. The only saving grace is that it's fairly easy to get there on the S-Bahn, and effectively free if you have a public transport ticket anyway.

I like Berlin, but it is certainly more than a bit dysfunctional. Which it has a excuse for, given its history, but I have found out that not a few German cities include Cologne and Hamburg seem to be the same

Scott_xP · October 28

squareroot2 said:
Labour are completely clueless putting idiots in senior positions.

*cough*BoZo*cough*Truss*cough*

SirNorfolkPassmore · October 28

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.

Hinchcliffe is nowhere near as well known as Jimmy Carr (in their respective countries). Yesterday was the first time most Americans will have heard of the guy.

A problem for him (and the GOP) is also that the "c'mon, it was a JOKE" line works better if the alleged joke is funny.

Jonathan · October 28

squareroot2 said:

Jonathan said:

squareroot2 said:
The Harsh reality.. that Keir Starmer says we face ... is the harsh reality of a high tax high spend Labour Govt. It's always ended in tearsbefore and it will do so again.

I am beginning to.realise there is no party I would consider voting for atm.
Meanwhile in the past ten years, Britain’s foreign policy has been dismantled by events, competition and bad decisions.

NATO - one hanging chad from disaster
EU - thanks Nigel and Boris, what an own goal!
UN, largely impotent.
Commonwealth - obviously no longer a thing. Was held together by QE2 and warped by Chinese and Russian money and influence.
G7, now less GDP than the BRICS

Never have we been more isolated. Our economic and military weakness leaves us vulnerable. Even our cultural influence is on the wane. Alarm bells should be ringing.
Do you think the idiot Lammy is going to fix everything.... Labour are completely clueless putting idiots in senior positions.

Name calling is unhelpful. I think Labour are well positioned to take a fresh approach to the EU and that will help our position. Right or wrong by the end of their 14 years the conservative government had boxed itself in with respect to our nearest neighbours. Obviously, events determine what happen to NATO. I am not sure anyone can do anything about the commonwealth. Where the government can do something is to pour serious support into our cultural institutions and universities.

eek · October 28

JohnLilburne said:

eek said:

JohnLilburne said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm
I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.
That’s a more gracious reply than I deserved after being quite rude. So Thankyou for your politesse

Glad you enjoy the travelogue

I’ve actually moved on from Japan… but I’m still out east. And now I just go shower before my first bibimbap
I'm on a train from Graz to Vienna after a two week tour and a marathon. Unfortunately I'm on my way home. I think it's the first time I've been away on my own for more than two weeks (Fri-Mon, 3 weekends) and feel I could stay out longer. Having said that, I have been mostly in NL and Germany which I find culturally easy to navigate, and with a marathon in the middle I have kept it fairly easy.

My flight isn't until 5pm so I am hoping to have time for lunch at Plachutta.

One thing I have learned is that DB really is shite, if you look at the departure board at any busy time it seems half the trains are cancelled or have a Spätung indicated. After my journey from Amsterdam to Hamburg was disrupted had a nice email from NS hoping I got where I wanted to and telling me how to claim delay repay
Germany has a reputation for efficiency that really doesn't match the reality there.

I'm off to Berlin again in May (with Mrs Eek this time round) and I'm really not looking forward to the return leg via Berlin's airport - it doesn't even have an accessible lounge..
Er no, the non-Schengen terminal of Berlin-Brandenburg is shite, and a long walk across a car park. They haven't even worked out they can make money out of us with duty free. The only saving grace is that it's fairly easy to get there on the S-Bahn, and effectively free if you have a public transport ticket anyway.

I like Berlin, but it is certainly more than a bit dysfunctional. Which it has a excuse for, given its history, but I have found out that not a few German cities include Cologne and Hamburg seem to be the same

Brandenburg was designed by an architect who didn't like flying or shopping. So there are few shops, few restaurants (with very few seats) and you need to book yourself into security...

However I will be in the Schengen bit - because it's for me to use Amsterdam as a hub airport...

eek · October 28

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.
Hinchcliffe is nowhere near as well known as Jimmy Carr (in their respective countries). Yesterday was the first time most Americans will have heard of the guy.

A problem for him (and the GOP) is also that the "c'mon, it was a JOKE" line works better if the alleged joke is funny.

or you know the background of the joke which most people outside of Puerto Rico won't know...

Jonathan · October 28

eek said:

JohnLilburne said:

eek said:

JohnLilburne said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:
Such, warm attractive politicians, both extraordinary well placed to recreate the Conservative big tent.

The only thing more impressive than their broad appeal is the coherence and depth of their political argument and the great minds behind them. Makes Thatcher and Keith Joseph look superficial.
And then you look across and see… Keir Starmer, busily becoming the most hated man in British history - and the Tories don’t look so bad at all
Bingo, I win £5. .

This is a hard nuanced argument to attempt on PB, but some of you right wingers have gone a bit funny over Starmer.

Of course he’s made some political mistakes (taking freebies), deliberately made some unpopular decisions (WFP) and done things right wingers don’t like (pay workers well or not waste energy unpicking the Tory Chiagos deal), but the vitriol here and internet right wing bubbles is off the scale.

I genuinely worry about you guys. You’ve not left yourself anywhere to go and if things settle down it couldbe a long 5/10 years for you. You remind me of left wingers raging about Fatcha. Not good for the soul. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Starmer, no politician is worth getting that riled up about.
Well, we can listen to your witless mithering, or we can look at the polls

“Keir Starmer has a worse PM job rating than all of his recent predecessors by this point in their tenure (*except for Liz Truss, who didn't last this long)

Starmer: 26% well vs 58% badly
Sunak: 29% vs 53%
Truss*: 11% vs 71%
Johnson: 40% vs 49%
May: 46% vs 22%
Cameron: 59% vs 32%
Brown: 59% vs 29%

yougov.co.uk/topics/politic…

https://x.com/yougov/status/1849441038030500073?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Sure the polls are poor. But then again, he hasn’t exactly set out to be popular.

You miss my point, you (and a few others) seem to have let things really get under your skin. And that’s not good for you.

Take this as advice from someone who had to maintain a level head for 14 years that included mistakes such as Brexit. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Impotent rage is not good for your mental health.
What bollocks

No way did Starmer expect to be the most unpopular prime minister in UK history after 100 days. You can see the desperate panic on his stupid fat face in recent photos

Also you misconstrue my mood. I’m ENJOYING kicking the shit out of your miserable government because

1. They are genuinely awful and

2. Beating up wankers is fun
Oh well. Just trying to help. Over analysing photos is a little obsessive. No politician is worth that level of attention.
You’re on a political betting website constantly commenting on politics since << checks clocks >> 7.30 in the morning and you’re accusing others of being “a little obsessive”?

I have an excuse. I’m in a hotel in the Orient and it’s 5pm
I know, it takes one to know one and there is definitely a line we all have to manage! Anyway, I enjoy reading about your Japanese adventures. Distracts for a boring Monday morning in late October.
That’s a more gracious reply than I deserved after being quite rude. So Thankyou for your politesse

Glad you enjoy the travelogue

I’ve actually moved on from Japan… but I’m still out east. And now I just go shower before my first bibimbap
I'm on a train from Graz to Vienna after a two week tour and a marathon. Unfortunately I'm on my way home. I think it's the first time I've been away on my own for more than two weeks (Fri-Mon, 3 weekends) and feel I could stay out longer. Having said that, I have been mostly in NL and Germany which I find culturally easy to navigate, and with a marathon in the middle I have kept it fairly easy.

My flight isn't until 5pm so I am hoping to have time for lunch at Plachutta.

One thing I have learned is that DB really is shite, if you look at the departure board at any busy time it seems half the trains are cancelled or have a Spätung indicated. After my journey from Amsterdam to Hamburg was disrupted had a nice email from NS hoping I got where I wanted to and telling me how to claim delay repay
Germany has a reputation for efficiency that really doesn't match the reality there.

I'm off to Berlin again in May (with Mrs Eek this time round) and I'm really not looking forward to the return leg via Berlin's airport - it doesn't even have an accessible lounge..
Er no, the non-Schengen terminal of Berlin-Brandenburg is shite, and a long walk across a car park. They haven't even worked out they can make money out of us with duty free. The only saving grace is that it's fairly easy to get there on the S-Bahn, and effectively free if you have a public transport ticket anyway.

I like Berlin, but it is certainly more than a bit dysfunctional. Which it has a excuse for, given its history, but I have found out that not a few German cities include Cologne and Hamburg seem to be the same
Brandenburg was designed by an architect who didn't like flying or shopping. So there are few shops, few restaurants (with very few seats) and you need to book yourself into security...

However I will be in the Schengen bit - because it's for me to use Amsterdam as a hub airport...

BER is impressively bad. How anyone can design a bad airport is beyond me. Just go to Singapore, copy that. Job done.

Jim_the_Lurker · October 28

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:
The comedian whoade a joke about Puerto Rico at MSG last night also made a joke about how Latinos make more babies

"Kill Tony podcaster MAGA stirs outrage with attacks on Latinos, Puerto Rico" https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/us-news/kill-tony-podcaster-maga-stirs-outrage-with-attacks-on-latinos-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral
Hinchcliffe is basically the American Jimmy Carr. He’s spent years insulting everyone and everything, and sell out arenas doing so.

Probably not the top choice for a political rally, where his opponents can find a clip to take well out of context and with no humour.

The GOP organisers should have had staffers who know nothing about comedy read through his script first, he won’t be the first comedian to bomb in front of the wrong audience, and definitely won’t be the last.
Hinchcliffe is nowhere near as well known as Jimmy Carr (in their respective countries). Yesterday was the first time most Americans will have heard of the guy.

A problem for him (and the GOP) is also that the "c'mon, it was a JOKE" line works better if the alleged joke is funny.

It also didn’t help that he delivered the “joke(s)” like a reluctant best man. If you believe in its humour you should at least deliver it with the right timing rather than simply chuckling to your self.

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