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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    Obviously you missed this bit.

    The forthcoming presidential election in the US represents the point of maximum danger. A win by Donald Trump could see him placing a phone call to Russian President Vladimir Putin as early as 6 November. Any such call would set expectations of a negotiated settlement, with discussions possibly beginning in the early months of 2025.

    Nobody should want this war of ‘meat grinder’ savagery to continue a day longer than necessary. However, Zelensky would have much to fear from a deal negotiated by Trump. The 2020 Doha Accords with the Afghan Taliban have been described as the worst diplomatic agreement since Munich in 1938. Fortunately, Trump was prevented from reaching a similarly disastrous deal with Kim Jong-un of North Korea.
    Competitive (ditto compulsive) cherry picking, is THE favorite passtime for PBers.
    The idea that Trump was 'prevented' from reaching a 'similar' deal with Kim Jong-un is absurd. What would such a deal have looked like?
    He'd probably work some kind of protection racket, and give Kim a small slice of the proceeds.
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=384337
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,456
    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    On the semantics, I'd just take 'accident' to mean unintended, not unavoidable.* 'Crash' or 'collision' is more specific as to the type of accident, so there is that, I guess (and would also include crashes that were intended).

    *a friend's brother died in an 'accident' at work, that's how he and his family have always put it, but they absolutely thought it was avoidable and blamed the employer
    Of course accident means unintended.
    But accidents are only a subset of unintended, which also includes negligence, which I would not equate with accident.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,388
    A third of UK households are now buying groceries at Marks & Spencer after the retailer invested in improving the quality of thousands of products.

    Telegraph business blog


    Really? Incredible. I would have to travel several miles to do that.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080
    edited October 16
    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    On the semantics, I'd just take 'accident' to mean unintended, not unavoidable.* 'Crash' or 'collision' is more specific as to the type of accident, so there is that, I guess (and would also include crashes that were intended).

    *a friend's brother died in an 'accident' at work, that's how he and his family have always put it, but they absolutely thought it was avoidable and blamed the employer
    Yep. There are a couple of points about it.

    One is that that language feeds a narrative that "these things just happen", removing agency from the person who caused it, and making it easier to slope shoulders and make excuses rather than thinking about the causes and improving practice. Most are avoidable with better practice.

    It then feeds into lazy press narratives.

    It's been practice in the Health and Safety industry to use "incident" since I can remember, but there has been a reluctance to apply a similar term to our roads. Yet the claim is that we apply K&S principles to our roads. "Accidents" then becomes a sub-category.

    For some reasons ( :wink: ) the same reluctance does not seem to apply to aeroplane or railway "crashes".

    The traditional Institute of Advanced Motorists slogan was always that their members had 2/3 fewer accidents that an average driver. I'm not sure whether they have changed.
    Good point re train and railway crashes.

    Most crashes are avoidable of course - just read today about the inquest evidence on the crash that killed those four young men in Wales, investigator saying speed was simply too fast for the corner. A colleague's son recently did something similar with a car full of friends, but fortunately no one was hurt (there's also an issue that in something like a Fiesta or smaller, the cornering with four passengers could be quite different to driving alone or with an instructor in the front seat).

    When I learned to drive, appropriate speed for corners wasn't really taught. The instructor would of course say if you were going too fast (or slow!) but there was nothing on how to calibrate that really. I don't know whether the new theory tests cover that better, but it's the kind of thing that probably could be taught to some extent.
    One of my bugbears is that the signage for sharp corners is really inconsistent, making it hard to know from the signage how sharp the bend really is, and what an appropriate speed would be.

    What I'd like would be something that, say, graded the corner in terms of what speed would produce a certain standard g-force. This would give you a scale so that you could more easily relate an unknown bend to one you are familiar with.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    edited October 16
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    eek said:

    Sky reporting that the assisted dying bill may be talked out by mps

    Is this realistic?

    Talking a bill out is the default way of killing a private members bill - wasn’t there a Tory MP famous for continually doing so
    Christopher Chope specialises in it IIRC.
    I wonder if eek is thinking of Gyles Brandreth?
    Nope I know Gyles well enough that he knows me by name when I bump into him

    I have to say that is one of the things I find most impressive about it along with his ability to go I’m here who do I know in the area
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    Lewis Goodall on The growing appeal of Trump and Harris’s faltering lead/Democrat worries.

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1846539856014446632?s=61
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,306
    “Harris declined repeated requests for an interview for this story. In contrast, Trump talked about his policy vision with a TIME reporter for 90 minutes across two interviews. Biden spoke to TIME at similar length before dropping out of the race.”

    https://time.com/7081350/kamala-harris-presidential-platform-policies/
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    Sky reporting that the assisted dying bill may be talked out by mps

    Is this realistic?

    Yes, it’s a private members’ bill.
    Is it likely?
    Who knows?

    The mechanism certainly exists, and if a few determined opponents can't stop the bill any other way, I don't think there's anything to stop them.

    https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/guides/private-members-bill-procedure-in-the-house-of-commons#time-wasting-tactics-to-talk-out-a-bill

    The standard workround is for the government to adopt the bill as one of their own. Which is how Chope was thwarted on upskirting.

    Overall, it seems a shame- taking these things out of the government vs. opposition game has to be the healthy way to get decisions on great moral questions. Remove that and PMBs are just for trivial niggles.
    It seems like an obvious reform of Commons procedure to allocate more time for Private Members Bills so that they don't need to be shipped by the government to avoid them being talked out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    eek said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    eek said:

    Sky reporting that the assisted dying bill may be talked out by mps

    Is this realistic?

    Talking a bill out is the default way of killing a private members bill - wasn’t there a Tory MP famous for continually doing so
    Christopher Chope specialises in it IIRC.
    I wonder if eek is thinking of Gyles Brandreth?
    Nope I know Gyles well enough that he knows me by name when I bump into him
    Has he never asked you to stop doing that ?
  • A third of UK households are now buying groceries at Marks & Spencer after the retailer invested in improving the quality of thousands of products.

    Telegraph business blog


    Really? Incredible. I would have to travel several miles to do that.

    We shop at M & S food as the quality is very good though more expensive than normal supermarkets

    We still get a weekly Asda delivery for essentials but spend less with them
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787

    I believe it's Osaka where I was told one may experience both of the above (casual extreme racism + a relaxed attitude to prostitution) in quite a curious establishment. I don't have Leon's writing ability so I will descrbie it crudely but accurately to what I heard. Essentially you pay £100 for a Japanese girl or £80 for a Korean girl. But when it's almost time, you tap her on the shoulder, and she stops - they bring a Chinese one, and you finish in her mouth. Essentially she goes from cubicle to cubicle swallowing semen, while the "superior races"' dental hygeine is preserved.

    I would buy the cake, eat the cake, thank them very much for the cake and politely leave with them still clothed and untouched. God knows I'm weird, but I never have and will never want to do anything like that. PB is not very nice sometimes.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,423
    edited October 16
    TimT said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    On the semantics, I'd just take 'accident' to mean unintended, not unavoidable.* 'Crash' or 'collision' is more specific as to the type of accident, so there is that, I guess (and would also include crashes that were intended).

    *a friend's brother died in an 'accident' at work, that's how he and his family have always put it, but they absolutely thought it was avoidable and blamed the employer
    Of course accident means unintended.
    But accidents are only a subset of unintended, which also includes negligence, which I would not equate with accident.
    Agree. Another change that's important is "car" v "driver". The use of the former transfers accountability away from the individual operating the vehicle, even if only at a subconscious level.

    "Car hits pedestrian at zebra ". Aye, but was it a self-driving one? We can see the same in today's reporting of the horrific collision on the M6, which appears to have involved a driver going the wrong way down the motorway.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,652
    Re NBC data - does mail in ballots requested include those already returned or is it just the number still outstanding?

    For Georgia, mail in and early votes cast is higher than mail in ballots requested.

    Obviously you don't request to vote early in person so position seems unclear.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/georgia-results
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787
    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    Cookie said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    TimT said:

    FPT in response to LostPassword commenting on rcs2000

    I agree. And it, at least in the Harris direction, might go even bigger if there is systematic error in Trump’s favour. I saw some internal GOP polling showing them up only +2 in Ohio of all places. (I know, it used to be the bell weather state, but not for a long while).

    The only reason I can think for Ohio being this close is differential gender turnout because of the abortion issue. Remember, Ohio voted for abortion rights in a statewide referendum.

    If there is a surge of women voting on the abortion issue across the country (not inconceivable), I think FL is also another possible loss for Trump, and if the surge is a tsunami, even Texas.

    I really believe that Harris is going to outperform the polling, and possible by a big margin. But I don’t have high confidence in this prediction.

    PS Marist had her +5 today nationally, which is above the +2.9 commentators think she needs to win the EC.

    In the latest round Yougov, TIPP and Ipsos all had Harris +3 and Morning Consult at +4. That is enough, just, and by a series of pollsters who are at least trying to get it right.
    I'd like to see Morning back at the 6 or 7 mark.
    I think nearly all of us would. The position for the UK is not nearly as anxious as it must be for Ukraine but it is bad enough. Having Trump back in the White House would be bad news for us (tariffs and other nonsense, NATO etc etc) as well as for the US.
    There are quite a few PBers who rather fancy a Trumpian White House.
    I think we did this yesterday. I can't think of more than a couple. Many of Kamala's more enthusiastic backers seem to mistake an antipathy for Kamala for a secret support for Trump. Which I don't think is reasonable.
    Personally, I think Kamala is rubbish. But still clearly the more desirable outcome by far.
    Neither can I nor do I expect it to happen
    Kamala isn’t rubbish - just a B- politician at national level.

    Truss is rubbish.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,609
    viewcode said:

    I believe it's Osaka where I was told one may experience both of the above (casual extreme racism + a relaxed attitude to prostitution) in quite a curious establishment. I don't have Leon's writing ability so I will descrbie it crudely but accurately to what I heard. Essentially you pay £100 for a Japanese girl or £80 for a Korean girl. But when it's almost time, you tap her on the shoulder, and she stops - they bring a Chinese one, and you finish in her mouth. Essentially she goes from cubicle to cubicle swallowing semen, while the "superior races"' dental hygeine is preserved.

    I would buy the cake, eat the cake, thank them very much for the cake and politely leave with them still clothed and untouched. God knows I'm weird, but I never have and will never want to do anything like that. PB is not very nice sometimes.
    You are Carrot Ironfoundersson and I claim my £5 etc.

    (But I am too!)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    Indeed, in 2020 Trump comfortably won on the day voting and Biden won early and mail in voting.

    We shouldn't read too much into early voting this time either
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    edited October 16

    A third of UK households are now buying groceries at Marks & Spencer after the retailer invested in improving the quality of thousands of products.

    Telegraph business blog


    Really? Incredible. I would have to travel several miles to do that.

    M&S is next door to Aldi for us and I do a lot of shopping in Aldi and none in M&S.

    Mind you that had more to do with my tendency to do my ready meal shopping at Booths when I’m passing and to stock up the freezer when I do go there
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,423

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    On the semantics, I'd just take 'accident' to mean unintended, not unavoidable.* 'Crash' or 'collision' is more specific as to the type of accident, so there is that, I guess (and would also include crashes that were intended).

    *a friend's brother died in an 'accident' at work, that's how he and his family have always put it, but they absolutely thought it was avoidable and blamed the employer
    Yep. There are a couple of points about it.

    One is that that language feeds a narrative that "these things just happen", removing agency from the person who caused it, and making it easier to slope shoulders and make excuses rather than thinking about the causes and improving practice. Most are avoidable with better practice.

    It then feeds into lazy press narratives.

    It's been practice in the Health and Safety industry to use "incident" since I can remember, but there has been a reluctance to apply a similar term to our roads. Yet the claim is that we apply K&S principles to our roads. "Accidents" then becomes a sub-category.

    For some reasons ( :wink: ) the same reluctance does not seem to apply to aeroplane or railway "crashes".

    The traditional Institute of Advanced Motorists slogan was always that their members had 2/3 fewer accidents that an average driver. I'm not sure whether they have changed.
    Good point re train and railway crashes.

    Most crashes are avoidable of course - just read today about the inquest evidence on the crash that killed those four young men in Wales, investigator saying speed was simply too fast for the corner. A colleague's son recently did something similar with a car full of friends, but fortunately no one was hurt (there's also an issue that in something like a Fiesta or smaller, the cornering with four passengers could be quite different to driving alone or with an instructor in the front seat).

    When I learned to drive, appropriate speed for corners wasn't really taught. The instructor would of course say if you were going too fast (or slow!) but there was nothing on how to calibrate that really. I don't know whether the new theory tests cover that better, but it's the kind of thing that probably could be taught to some extent.
    One of my bugbears is that the signage for sharp corners is really inconsistent, making it hard to know from the signage how sharp the bend really is, and what an appropriate speed would be.

    What I'd like would be something that, say, graded the corner in terms of what speed would produce a certain standard g-force. This would give you a scale so that you could more easily relate an unknown bend to one you are familiar with.
    And surfaces. The one time I've ever lost control was on wet setts at about 20mph.

    (You can tell when you're close though when the wee orange light flashes on for traction control).
  • Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255

    A third of UK households are now buying groceries at Marks & Spencer after the retailer invested in improving the quality of thousands of products.

    Telegraph business blog


    Really? Incredible. I would have to travel several miles to do that.

    Does that include Ocado or is it just in-store?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787
    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    You start off with that. You end up with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewt4pilfwmE
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226

    Sky reporting that the assisted dying bill may be talked out by mps

    Is this realistic?

    Possibly, though US Senators are experts in filibusters MPs can try on occasion here too with private members bills like this one

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    Scots clearly want more immigrants than the redwall though
  • Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Biden has done enough to prevent Ukraine's defeat, but not enough to ensure their victory.

    It's frustrating, particularly as he hasn't pulled any punches rhetorically, but then fails to follow that up with the requisite action.
    I've a friend who lectures in US history, he predicted from almost the beginning that the US would provide enough support for Ukraine to keep going but not enough for them to end the invasion. Keep Russia tied up, grim realpolitik.
    That is quite obviously the only option that makes sense. It's grim for the Ukrainians, but the alternatives are too risky.
  • viewcode said:

    I believe it's Osaka where I was told one may experience both of the above (casual extreme racism + a relaxed attitude to prostitution) in quite a curious establishment. I don't have Leon's writing ability so I will descrbie it crudely but accurately to what I heard. Essentially you pay £100 for a Japanese girl or £80 for a Korean girl. But when it's almost time, you tap her on the shoulder, and she stops - they bring a Chinese one, and you finish in her mouth. Essentially she goes from cubicle to cubicle swallowing semen, while the "superior races"' dental hygeine is preserved.

    I would buy the cake, eat the cake, thank them very much for the cake and politely leave with them still clothed and untouched. God knows I'm weird, but I never have and will never want to do anything like that. PB is not very nice sometimes.
    Dumbosaurus's story is both disgusting and highly implausible. And there was no cake in that one.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787
    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    A poll of 2,000 adults by JL Partners found 28 per cent of voters have a very or quite positive view of Nigel Farage’s party, compared to 27 per cent who feel the same way about Labour.

    Forty-one per cent have a very or quite negative opinion of Reform, compraed to 47 per cent who feel very or quite negatively about Labour.

    The JL Partners polling found Labour are polling at 29 per cent, ahead of the Conservatives on 25 per cent and Reform UK on 19 per cent.

    Labour is now winning just over one in 10 voters aged 65 or over having previously won more than a quarter of this age group amid its winter fuel allowance raid.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/16/politics-latest-news-keir-starmer-sunak-pmqs-reeves-budget/

    Another poll with labour sub 30%
    Another poll with Labour leading the Tories decisively, despite doing unpopular stuff and a hypocritical media whining on about trivial drivel like Currygate Swiftgate day after tedious day.

    Next.
    Complacency from No 10s own stooge
    Not at all, I just down luxuriate in meaningless trivialities like some people I could mention...
    I am surprised we haven't been spammed by this poll, actually I am not surprised.

    It has been reported that the Metropolitan Police provided a police escort for Taylor Swift to get to Wembley for her London shows. Do you think this is acceptable or unacceptable?

    Acceptable: 45%

    Unacceptable: 39%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1844397820004139065
    You know, when I was a young kid and Ford Escorts were popular, I thought that 'a police escort' meant they'd let someone borrow/hop in one of their patrol cars. Mind you, I also assumed that new clear power stations must be made of glass or something.

    Would be a happier world, wouldn't it, if the police routinely offered lifts without nicking you and power stations were gleaming glass things of beauty? :smile:
    I had the same misapprehension about police escorts! At least I didn’t think it was some sort of prostitution racket.

    As for remanded in custody. The suspect was placed in a big vat of yellow stuff. Which was believable for a youngster brought up watching the children’s TV game shows of that era.
    Custardy Pants! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7txFKFZCc
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    edited October 16
    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    If we are going to start blaming drivers for fault while doing legal manoeuvres causing crashes previously considered accidents then we also need to start changing the law to follow suit.

    For example banning u turns and 3 point turns on roads above 30mph limits and halving the speeds on rural roads from 60 mph to 30mph with 20-25mph limits maximum going around all bends and making it an offence to have deflated tyres to avoid incidents like this.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13965547/Teen-passed-driving-test-six-months-fatal-crash-killed-four-Snowdonia.html
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,851
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    STOP SHOUTING
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    STOP SHOUTING
    OK. SORRY
  • We finally have a poll for the Evergreen state of Washington.

    https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8eae9696-f15c-4597-86c9-c369611b0521

    Harris 57 and Trump 35.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    edited October 16

    We finally have a poll for the Evergreen state of Washington.

    https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8eae9696-f15c-4597-86c9-c369611b0521

    Harris 57 and Trump 35.

    Not exactly surprising. The Republicans haven't won the state since 1984. Dukakis carried it by 50.05% to 48.46% in 1988.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election_in_Washington_(state)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,577
    [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,306
    American woman tears down Greek flags in protest against Zionism:

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1846449743586623734
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
    A "strong man" who is best mates with Putin and Orban ?
    Sub optimal for anyone in Eastern Europe.

    Trump would quite likely also abandon Taiwan.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787
    Pulpstar said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    My Trump hedge (which I might increase if I bet more on Harris) is his getting 270-299 EVs.
    Thoughts ?

    I swear to Goodness I don't know, I'm afraid. I've given up on the national and am looking for value in the individual states. You can still get 4/9 on Trump in Georgia and 1/3 in Arizona, and he's more ahead now than he was of Biden. So a bet on Trump in Georgia and Arizona: sound good?
    Both those bets sound awful to me, particularly 1-3 AZ
    The tossup states in gambling terms are
    • Michigan
    • Nevada
    • North Carolina
    • Pennsylvania
    • Wisconsin
    But I don't know who is going to win them. You want to live brave, look at Wisconsin and guess who's going to win it: Ladbrokes has Dem 4/5 Rep 10/11

    The next band out are Georgia and Arizona: lower odds, less profit, but Trump appears to be winning tjhem
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700

    A third of UK households are now buying groceries at Marks & Spencer after the retailer invested in improving the quality of thousands of products.

    Telegraph business blog


    Really? Incredible. I would have to travel several miles to do that.

    We shop at M & S food as the quality is very good though more expensive than normal supermarkets

    We still get a weekly Asda delivery for essentials but spend less with them
    I've been impressed this year with M&S added value type food - the type of things Waitrose used to be distinctive for, but which now everyone does. But it's a bit like the National Trust shops in that you choose a small basket of nice things. and before you know it the bill is £50+.
  • [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!

    Disappointed that no one has picked up my subtle King Lear reference in the title.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    Er ... that is more than a little why the SNP are asking for devolution of powers, you know.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
    A "strong man" who is best mates with Putin and Orban ?
    Sub optimal for anyone in Eastern Europe.

    Trump would quite likely also abandon Taiwan.
    He's easily manipulated hence weak. Even more so with his mental deterioration.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,575

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
    A "strong man" who is best mates with Putin and Orban ?
    Sub optimal for anyone in Eastern Europe.

    Trump would quite likely also abandon Taiwan.
    People really need to stop taking William seriously. He's probably getting a massive kick from all the reactions he gets.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,575

    [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!

    Disappointed that no one has picked up my subtle King Lear reference in the title.
    Rather shocked that Shakespeare shamelessly plagiarised you tbh.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    And the DWP don't even define pension income by actual income over the year, but something arbitrary. They don't tell you what it is, and don't do P60s.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,306
    CatMan said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
    A "strong man" who is best mates with Putin and Orban ?
    Sub optimal for anyone in Eastern Europe.

    Trump would quite likely also abandon Taiwan.
    People really need to stop taking William seriously. He's probably getting a massive kick from all the reactions he gets.
    On occasion my posts are tongue in cheek, but I'm often serious.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,577

    [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!

    Disappointed that no one has picked up my subtle King Lear reference in the title.
    [Kicks TSE down the well]

    (just kiddin')
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048

    I hear that revenues on the first part of the Bee Bus network in Manchester to be nationalised are 15% higher than forecast in the first 6months, the routes are costing a third less to operate than before and the average age of the buses has nearly halved.

    The number of fully electric buses has risen ten fold.

    https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s34344/BNC 20241024 Delivering the Bee Network.pdf

    First on the chopping block when the Tories get back in power no doubt.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Biden has done enough to prevent Ukraine's defeat, but not enough to ensure their victory.

    It's frustrating, particularly as he hasn't pulled any punches rhetorically, but then fails to follow that up with the requisite action.
    I've a friend who lectures in US history, he predicted from almost the beginning that the US would provide enough support for Ukraine to keep going but not enough for them to end the invasion. Keep Russia tied up, grim realpolitik.
    That is quite obviously the only option that makes sense. It's grim for the Ukrainians, but the alternatives are too risky.
    I never understand this logic. The nuclear armed US has been forced - often with Russian or other great power support - to pull out of several regional conflicts completely in the past few decades. In Vietnam it lost fair and square. In Korea the Chinese army almost managed to conquer the whole peninsula. In Afghanistan it left an entire country open to reconquest by the Taliban at the strike of a pen. In Somalia seeing its own special forces dragged along the streets and tortured led to a chaotic pull out. Nuclear powered France was forced to leave Algeria, Britain to give up an entire empire. Nobody was terrified that those defeats would lead the countries to press the nuclear button.

    It's a strategy that gives Putin a structural psychological advantage.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!

    Disappointed that no one has picked up my subtle King Lear reference in the title.
    Nobody's picking up anything from your posts until you remove that offensive new profile pic.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,577

    CatMan said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
    A "strong man" who is best mates with Putin and Orban ?
    Sub optimal for anyone in Eastern Europe.

    Trump would quite likely also abandon Taiwan.
    People really need to stop taking William seriously. He's probably getting a massive kick from all the reactions he gets.
    On occasion my posts are tongue in cheek, but I'm often serious.
    Are you serious this time?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509

    [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!

    Disappointed that no one has picked up my subtle King Lear reference in the title.
    More matter; with less art....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    CatMan said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Biden’s legacy:

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1846202315524526169

    I am back in Ukraine and the mood is pitch black. Ukraine feels betrayed.

    I'd more be blaming Vladimir Putin.
    Indeed, that's why you need a strong man in the White House to stop him getting up to his tricks.
    William.
    A "strong man" who is best mates with Putin and Orban ?
    Sub optimal for anyone in Eastern Europe.

    Trump would quite likely also abandon Taiwan.
    People really need to stop taking William seriously. He's probably getting a massive kick from all the reactions he gets.
    On occasion my posts are tongue in cheek, but I'm often serious.
    Yes, and I am a skilled detector of which is which.
  • TimS said:

    [Gerard Butler voice]

    MADNESS???

    THIS IS PB!!!!

    Disappointed that no one has picked up my subtle King Lear reference in the title.
    Nobody's picking up anything from your posts until you remove that offensive new profile pic.
    But Sir Gavin Williamson is my new hero for wanting to remove unelected clergy from the Lords.

    Thank goodness Boris Johnson nominated him for a knighthood.
  • viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    Wait until you hear about Northern Ireland.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,773
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    If we are going to start blaming drivers for fault while doing legal manoeuvres causing crashes previously considered accidents then we also need to start changing the law to follow suit.

    For example banning u turns and 3 point turns on roads above 30mph limits and halving the speeds on rural roads from 60 mph to 30mph with 20-25mph limits maximum going around all bends and making it an offence to have deflated tyres to avoid incidents like this.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13965547/Teen-passed-driving-test-six-months-fatal-crash-killed-four-Snowdonia.html
    Why are you worrying about such trivia, when the Tory Party has the knives out for your church that pretends to believe in a god?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,076
    Just in: Jimmy Carter fulfills wish, votes for Kamala Harris after 100th birthday. His ballot was put in a drop box at the Sumter County Courthouse near Carter's hometown of Plains. #gapol

    https://x.com/bluestein/status/1846578080443228320
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    edited October 16

    A third of UK households are now buying groceries at Marks & Spencer after the retailer invested in improving the quality of thousands of products.

    Telegraph business blog

    Really? Incredible. I would have to travel several miles to do that.

    A stat needing very careful interpretation. That's a "footprint" or "reach" stat.

    Their grocery market share is 3.7%.

    Full piece: https://archive.ph/tDgog

  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,053
    Eabhal said:

    TimT said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    On the semantics, I'd just take 'accident' to mean unintended, not unavoidable.* 'Crash' or 'collision' is more specific as to the type of accident, so there is that, I guess (and would also include crashes that were intended).

    *a friend's brother died in an 'accident' at work, that's how he and his family have always put it, but they absolutely thought it was avoidable and blamed the employer
    Of course accident means unintended.
    But accidents are only a subset of unintended, which also includes negligence, which I would not equate with accident.
    Agree. Another change that's important is "car" v "driver". The use of the former transfers accountability away from the individual operating the vehicle, even if only at a subconscious level.

    "Car hits pedestrian at zebra ". Aye, but was it a self-driving one? We can see the same in today's reporting of the horrific collision on the M6, which appears to have involved a driver going the wrong way down the motorway.
    The reporting that really bugs me is when the journalist writes: the pedestrian was in collision with a vehicle.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,023
    We have another bumper list of local by-elections tomorrow. There are Lab defences in Ashford, Bexley, Cumberland, Falkirk, Greenwich, Kirklees, North Hertfordshire, and Swindon. There are LD defences Ceredigion, Stockport(x2), and Westmoreland and Furness. There is one PC defence in Gwynedd and one Con defence in Windsor and Maidenhead. I know the Greenwich and Kirklees wards very well and would not be surprised if they were Con gains.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,423

    I hear that revenues on the first part of the Bee Bus network in Manchester to be nationalised are 15% higher than forecast in the first 6months, the routes are costing a third less to operate than before and the average age of the buses has nearly halved.

    The number of fully electric buses has risen ten fold.

    https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s34344/BNC 20241024 Delivering the Bee Network.pdf

    Congrats! Loads of gems in there, including much improved punctuality, night buses (great for pubs), interesting stuff about how active travel and public transport have a symbiotic relationship.
  • Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,534

    We finally have a poll for the Evergreen state of Washington.

    https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8eae9696-f15c-4597-86c9-c369611b0521

    Harris 57 and Trump 35.

    I posted the Seattle Times (main sponsor) about this poll at start of this thread.

    NOTE that leading Democratic consultants in WA State are taking the results with LARGE grains of rocksalt.

    Mostly for the finding that Harris is ahead of Trump in Eastern WA. Believe THAT when you see it in actual results . . . or rather do NOT believe it when you do NOT see it!

    For comparison
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Washington_(state)

    Note that four years ago, Biden carried ONE county east of the Cascades, namely Whitman Co which is home to Washington State University.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,456
    Eabhal said:

    TimT said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    On the semantics, I'd just take 'accident' to mean unintended, not unavoidable.* 'Crash' or 'collision' is more specific as to the type of accident, so there is that, I guess (and would also include crashes that were intended).

    *a friend's brother died in an 'accident' at work, that's how he and his family have always put it, but they absolutely thought it was avoidable and blamed the employer
    Of course accident means unintended.
    But accidents are only a subset of unintended, which also includes negligence, which I would not equate with accident.
    Agree. Another change that's important is "car" v "driver". The use of the former transfers accountability away from the individual operating the vehicle, even if only at a subconscious level.

    "Car hits pedestrian at zebra ". Aye, but was it a self-driving one? We can see the same in today's reporting of the horrific collision on the M6, which appears to have involved a driver going the wrong way down the motorway.
    Good point. We have to ensure in safety that we are taking cognition into account.

    But this is where the negligence/malintent/accident distinction really becomes important. Upwards of 90% of injuries in the workplace happen when people thought they were doing the right thing. Within this set, blaming human error is not helpful - instead we have to ascertain what about the system made them think they were doing the right thing. Could be lack of training, or faulty SOPs, or something much more deeply ingrained in the system that only manifests itself in rare occasions. Was there an ambiguous sign that the driver misinterpreted to end up on the wrong carraigeway? Was he/her employer working him/her to the point of cognitive impairment through fatigue? Were there too many signs at a key point on the road leading to cognitive overload? Etc…
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,534
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    If we are going to start blaming drivers for fault while doing legal manoeuvres causing crashes previously considered accidents then we also need to start changing the law to follow suit.

    For example banning u turns and 3 point turns on roads above 30mph limits and halving the speeds on rural roads from 60 mph to 30mph with 20-25mph limits maximum going around all bends and making it an offence to have deflated tyres to avoid incidents like this.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13965547/Teen-passed-driving-test-six-months-fatal-crash-killed-four-Snowdonia.html
    Why are you worrying about such trivia, when the Tory Party has the knives out for your church that pretends to believe in a god?
    "Church in danger" indeed. Queen Anne must be doing cartwheels in her crypt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_in_Danger

    'Church in Danger' was a political slogan used by the Tory party, and particularly by High Tories in elections during Queen Anne's reign.

    'Church in Danger' was a rallying call for many Anglicans in England who feared that the established Church of England was under attack by the policies of the Whigs, particularly the Toleration Act 1688. The Act allowed freedom of worship to Nonconformists i.e., Protestants who dissented from the Church of England such as Baptists and Congregationalists but not to Catholics. Nonconformists were allowed their own places of worship and their own teachers, if they accepted certain oaths of allegiance.

    To Tory supporters and High Church Anglicans such as Henry Sacheverell, such toleration would ultimately undermine the established church through reducing attendance and allowing sedition to be preached in England. The slogan proved to be effective and featured heavily in Tory election campaigns, particularly during the 1705 English general election which occurred in the midst of the Tackers controversy and the 1710 British general election where, in the context of the trial of Henry Sacheverell and the subsequent Sacheverell riots, the slogan contributed to a Tory landslide victory and enabled the passage of the Occasional Conformity Act 1711 to lock out non-conformists, though the act was repealed by the Whigs when they returned to power in 1719.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,053
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    Scots clearly want more immigrants than the redwall though
    Why not just bus the rubber boat people straight up to Scotland? Save a lot of expensive bureaucracy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,534
    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure this is the greatest idea ever.

    'Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews

    EXC: The home secretary is working on a separate Scottish immigration visa that would allow more people to move north of the border, a Labour MP told the House of Commons

    SNP will on Thurs put forward a private members bill to devolve powers to Holyrood"

    https://x.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1846452731235410324

    IT'S NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY. THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN INTERNAL EXILE NEXT. GOD THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS
    Scots clearly want more immigrants than the redwall though
    Why not just bus the rubber boat people straight up to Scotland? Save a lot of expensive bureaucracy.
    Make the rubber meet the rood?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    One of the most disreputable things Sunak and Hunt did was to freeze personal allowances. It sounds like nothing, but in real terms it's a hefty tax rise. Trouble is that Hunt has already announced a freeze pretty much until the next election and fed that into his "look, the sums add up!" spreadsheet. Undoing that is not going to be cheap.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,423
    edited October 16
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    If we are going to start blaming drivers for fault while doing legal manoeuvres causing crashes previously considered accidents then we also need to start changing the law to follow suit.

    For example banning u turns and 3 point turns on roads above 30mph limits and halving the speeds on rural roads from 60 mph to 30mph with 20-25mph limits maximum going around all bends and making it an offence to have deflated tyres to avoid incidents like this.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13965547/Teen-passed-driving-test-six-months-fatal-crash-killed-four-Snowdonia.html
    I think you've misunderstood how the law works around careless or dangerous driving.

    Even if you're travelling at 70mph on the motorway, doing so through standing water is behaviour that could potentially endanger yourself or other drivers. The 1.5m rule for passing cyclists is not a law, but not leaving enough space is evidence that you're not driving with reasonable consideration of other road users.

  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,633

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473
    eek said:

    Just in: Jimmy Carter fulfills wish, votes for Kamala Harris after 100th birthday. His ballot was put in a drop box at the Sumter County Courthouse near Carter's hometown of Plains. #gapol

    https://x.com/bluestein/status/1846578080443228320

    Presumably it's valid even if he doesn't make election day?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,423

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    I think if pensioners have high enough incomes that bring them into tax, they should pay it like the rest of us.

    A better offset for WFP would be to expand eligibility for PC a bit.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    That doesn't make sense. It benefits the richest pensioners.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 452
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    One from my beat, which seems small but is important and strategic.

    National Highways to stop using the word ‘accident’

    National Highways has confirmed it will phase out the use of the word ‘accident’ from its communications, in what is being branded as a ‘significant step forward’ in recognising the preventable nature of road collisions.

    The wider industry already uses ‘crash’ or ‘collision’, largely regarding ‘accident’ as wrongly presuming collisions are unavoidable, and masking accountability for death and injury on the roads.

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/national-highways-to-stop-using-of-the-word-accident

    As a measure of how stuck in the past this organisation is, it has taken a decade of campaigning by Parliamentarians and road safety organisations to get them to move even this far.

    Twitter thread with more detail from the writer:
    https://x.com/laura_laker/status/1846467700849037402

    If we are going to start blaming drivers for fault while doing legal manoeuvres causing crashes previously considered accidents then we also need to start changing the law to follow suit.

    For example banning u turns and 3 point turns on roads above 30mph limits and halving the speeds on rural roads from 60 mph to 30mph with 20-25mph limits maximum going around all bends and making it an offence to have deflated tyres to avoid incidents like this.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13965547/Teen-passed-driving-test-six-months-fatal-crash-killed-four-Snowdonia.html
    Why on earth would we need to change the law? Under the law as it stands today, if a driver causes a crash when carrying out a legal manoeuvre they are held liable for any damage caused. Why would we need to ban u-turns and 3 point turns? If you carry out such a manoeuvre without causing a crash, there is no problem. If you cause a crash, the fact the manoeuvre was legal is irrelevant.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,787
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Just in: Jimmy Carter fulfills wish, votes for Kamala Harris after 100th birthday. His ballot was put in a drop box at the Sumter County Courthouse near Carter's hometown of Plains. #gapol

    https://x.com/bluestein/status/1846578080443228320

    Presumably it's valid even if he doesn't make election day?
    You don't have to be alive after you vote. Sometimes not even before, see the 1960 POTUS election.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,633
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    That doesn't make sense. It benefits the richest pensioners.
    It benefits any pensioner with an income of more than £12,570pa
  • Eabhal said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    I think if pensioners have high enough incomes that bring them into tax, they should pay it like the rest of us.

    A better offset for WFP would be to expand eligibility for PC a bit.
    So £13,000 pa income for a pensioner is 'like the rest of us' ?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,874
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Just in: Jimmy Carter fulfills wish, votes for Kamala Harris after 100th birthday. His ballot was put in a drop box at the Sumter County Courthouse near Carter's hometown of Plains. #gapol

    https://x.com/bluestein/status/1846578080443228320

    Presumably it's valid even if he doesn't make election day?
    It’s one of the reasons I submit my postal vote ASAP.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473

    Eabhal said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    I think if pensioners have high enough incomes that bring them into tax, they should pay it like the rest of us.

    A better offset for WFP would be to expand eligibility for PC a bit.
    So £13,000 pa income for a pensioner is 'like the rest of us' ?
    Like anyone else on that income, only with no work related expenses such as commuting.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,388
    "I wasn't unhinged" says Trump.

    If you are explaining your losing etc etc...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,707
    The US is surely making a mistake in moving to postal voting on demand. Will only increase peoples' suspicions about the validity of the ballot which Trump can be guaranteed to play on.
  • Scrap the triple lock. Starmer and Reeves are prats.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344
    edited October 16
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    I think if pensioners have high enough incomes that bring them into tax, they should pay it like the rest of us.

    A better offset for WFP would be to expand eligibility for PC a bit.
    So £13,000 pa income for a pensioner is 'like the rest of us' ?
    Like anyone else on that income, only with no work related expenses such as commuting.
    And no mortgage!

    Doesn’t apply to all of us of course.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573
    Selebian said:

    A poll of 2,000 adults by JL Partners found 28 per cent of voters have a very or quite positive view of Nigel Farage’s party, compared to 27 per cent who feel the same way about Labour.

    Forty-one per cent have a very or quite negative opinion of Reform, compraed to 47 per cent who feel very or quite negatively about Labour.

    The JL Partners polling found Labour are polling at 29 per cent, ahead of the Conservatives on 25 per cent and Reform UK on 19 per cent.

    Labour is now winning just over one in 10 voters aged 65 or over having previously won more than a quarter of this age group amid its winter fuel allowance raid.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/16/politics-latest-news-keir-starmer-sunak-pmqs-reeves-budget/

    Another poll with labour sub 30%
    Another poll with Labour leading the Tories decisively, despite doing unpopular stuff and a hypocritical media whining on about trivial drivel like Currygate Swiftgate day after tedious day.

    Next.
    Complacency from No 10s own stooge
    Not at all, I just down luxuriate in meaningless trivialities like some people I could mention...
    I am surprised we haven't been spammed by this poll, actually I am not surprised.

    It has been reported that the Metropolitan Police provided a police escort for Taylor Swift to get to Wembley for her London shows. Do you think this is acceptable or unacceptable?

    Acceptable: 45%

    Unacceptable: 39%


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1844397820004139065
    You know, when I was a young kid and Ford Escorts were popular, I thought that 'a police escort' meant they'd let someone borrow/hop in one of their patrol cars. Mind you, I also assumed that new clear power stations must be made of glass or something.

    Would be a happier world, wouldn't it, if the police routinely offered lifts without nicking you and power stations were gleaming glass things of beauty? :smile:
    Battersea Power Station was a thing of beauty, inside and out, although I only went there once. It would have made a better art gallery than Bankside Power Station, now the Tate Modern, other than being in Battersea, I suppose.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,707

    "I wasn't unhinged" says Trump.

    If you are explaining your losing etc etc...

    The trouble is the polls look okay for him. The term teflon is inadequate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,473

    The US is surely making a mistake in moving to postal voting on demand. Will only increase peoples' suspicions about the validity of the ballot which Trump can be guaranteed to play on.

    In the Georgia counties (mostly Atlanta I see) it's early in person voting.
  • Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    No. Pensioners need to be reminded how generous the triple lock is, and start being bloody grateful.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,583
    CatMan said:

    I hear that revenues on the first part of the Bee Bus network in Manchester to be nationalised are 15% higher than forecast in the first 6months, the routes are costing a third less to operate than before and the average age of the buses has nearly halved.

    The number of fully electric buses has risen ten fold.

    https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s34344/BNC 20241024 Delivering the Bee Network.pdf

    First on the chopping block when the Tories get back in power no doubt.
    I don't think that's fair. It was brought in under a Tory gov; indeed, Boris was a keen supporter. Both Lab mayor and Tory gov deserve credit, and indeed both have generously shared the credit.

    The figures Kurt cites are remarkable though, even to a keen enthusiast for public transport like me.
  • Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    I think if pensioners have high enough incomes that bring them into tax, they should pay it like the rest of us.

    A better offset for WFP would be to expand eligibility for PC a bit.
    So £13,000 pa income for a pensioner is 'like the rest of us' ?
    Like anyone else on that income, only with no work related expenses such as commuting.
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    I think if pensioners have high enough incomes that bring them into tax, they should pay it like the rest of us.

    A better offset for WFP would be to expand eligibility for PC a bit.
    So £13,000 pa income for a pensioner is 'like the rest of us' ?
    Like anyone else on that income, only with no work related expenses such as commuting.
    As you know many pensioners stay at home, often are widowed, and in poor health

    I have always paid tax on my income but I know widows locally who are terrified of winter and being unable to afford to heat their home

    It is very much discussed on social media and they simply do not understand why they have been penalised
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573

    “Harris declined repeated requests for an interview for this story. In contrast, Trump talked about his policy vision with a TIME reporter for 90 minutes across two interviews. Biden spoke to TIME at similar length before dropping out of the race.”

    https://time.com/7081350/kamala-harris-presidential-platform-policies/

    Sounds like Kamala has been captured by the Labour Party's Ming Vase strategists. Say nothing unless you are attacking your own party. Whether 34 per cent of the vote is quite as effective in the American system has yet to be seen.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,707

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    That's not right. They will just be sent a tax bill at the end of the year. Hasn't been that way for at least 5 years.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    “Harris declined repeated requests for an interview for this story. In contrast, Trump talked about his policy vision with a TIME reporter for 90 minutes across two interviews. Biden spoke to TIME at similar length before dropping out of the race.”

    https://time.com/7081350/kamala-harris-presidential-platform-policies/

    Sounds like Kamala has been captured by the Labour Party's Ming Vase strategists. Say nothing unless you are attacking your own party. Whether 34 per cent of the vote is quite as effective in the American system has yet to be seen.
    She's doing a big Fox News interview today though.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,707

    “Harris declined repeated requests for an interview for this story. In contrast, Trump talked about his policy vision with a TIME reporter for 90 minutes across two interviews. Biden spoke to TIME at similar length before dropping out of the race.”

    https://time.com/7081350/kamala-harris-presidential-platform-policies/

    Sounds like Kamala has been captured by the Labour Party's Ming Vase strategists. Say nothing unless you are attacking your own party. Whether 34 per cent of the vote is quite as effective in the American system has yet to be seen.
    They do realise that Labour's strategy was based on being way ahead in the polls?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Telegraph

    The triple lock will raise 100 million next year as some pensioners are drawn into tax

    Utterly daft comment - it will cost many billion

    Indeed, and because the DWP refuses or is unable to deduct ICT in the way every employer and every pension company in the land has too, those spensioners without private pensions will have to complete self-assessments. Often for a few £10s of tax due.

    Utter madness.
    Increase the personal allowance a bit.
    I wouldn't be surprised for Reeves to increase the allowance to sugar the pill of higher taxes and borrowing
    I suspect it will be the return of the age related personal allowance. A little extra for over 66s only to offset the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.
    That doesn't make sense. It benefits the richest pensioners.
    Add NI to pensions in the 40%+ tax bracket.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,534

    The US is surely making a mistake in moving to postal voting on demand. Will only increase peoples' suspicions about the validity of the ballot which Trump can be guaranteed to play on.

    Try telling that to voters in Oregon and Washington. Where EVERY signature on returned ballot envelop, is checked against the voter's signature on file with election authorities (counties and Secretary of State.

    Easy to allege fraud, when your Trump or a MAGA-maniac cultist, because you then believe that ANY ballot cast against you is ipso facto illegitmate.
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