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  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,193
    Scott_xP said:

    @harris_wins

    Donald Trump’s rallies are going so poorly that Kamala Harris just played a highlight reel at her rally tonight.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1845986531992879455

    If his rallies are going so poorly and recent polls have Harris ahead how do we account for his 1.79 price on bf? Too short surely?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,806
    Stocky said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @harris_wins

    Donald Trump’s rallies are going so poorly that Kamala Harris just played a highlight reel at her rally tonight.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1845986531992879455

    If his rallies are going so poorly and recent polls have Harris ahead how do we account for his 1.79 price on bf? Too short surely?
    45% Harris wins
    35% Trump wins
    20% Knife edge and goes to court=Trump wins
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,097

    Cookie said:

    I've now gone down a rabbithole of prehistoric jokes. This site (https://historyfacts.com/arts-culture/article/5-of-the-oldest-jokes-in-history/ - I don't think it is definitive) suggests the oldest known joke in the world is from ancient Sumeria, and goes:

    "Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”

    Not uproariously funny, but it has farting in it, so relatable.
    The site also identifies the oldest 'walked into a bar' joke, which has definitely lost something in the translation or over the years:

    “A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”

    We also have a fourth century BC Greek joke book, which contains things syntactically recognisable as jokes, including this one which has endured to the present day and which may possibly be the world's oldest extant joke:

    “Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the witty fellow replied: ‘In silence.’”

    Last one is quite good.

    Barbers clearly masters of banal and inane chatter even in ancient times.
    Somewhere in Rome...

    "I 'ad that Caligula in the back of the chariot, the other day. Top bloke. He'll sort out those Christians something proper. Just 'ere, guv? That'll be 3 denarii - I only take cash."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,959

    Somewhere in Rome...

    "I 'ad that Caligula in the back of the chariot, the other day. Top bloke. He'll sort out those Christians something proper. Just 'ere, guv? That'll be 3 denarii - I only take cash."

    What, Souf of the river? No mate...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,089
    Stocky said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @harris_wins

    Donald Trump’s rallies are going so poorly that Kamala Harris just played a highlight reel at her rally tonight.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1845986531992879455

    If his rallies are going so poorly and recent polls have Harris ahead how do we account for his 1.79 price on bf? Too short surely?
    It's a good question. I think there's a feeling he will outperform his polling as he did in 2016 and 2020. Also an expectation that the GOP structural edge in PV to EC mapping will persist. If you factor in both of those things (which I don't) it's correct to make him about a 1.75 fav.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,097
    Scott_xP said:

    Somewhere in Rome...

    "I 'ad that Caligula in the back of the chariot, the other day. Top bloke. He'll sort out those Christians something proper. Just 'ere, guv? That'll be 3 denarii - I only take cash."

    What, Souf of the river? No mate...
    “I’m not doing a run to the port either. Get stuck in the traffic something fierce.”
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,089
    Yes and also what NOTA says about his legal advantage given he has the SC in his pocket. If it's very VERY close that could be decisive. I have no problem with him being priced as fav right now. Nevertheless I think he's going to lose.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,284
    I flagged up the 538 favourability averages as something to watch a while ago. Since then these have moved not necessarily in a manner to Harris' advantage.

    She's now down to a net +0.1, while Trump's score is -9.7.

    On the face of it that looks like a large advantage for Harris, but Clinton had a +9 edge vs Trump in 2016, and that wasn't enough then.

    I can't find the comparable figures for 2020.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,723

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    This has got to be a spoof, right?

    "Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe"

    Is probably the most insane policy I've seen. Are they going to have a race bar on an investment value protection scheme?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330

    Cookie said:

    I've now gone down a rabbithole of prehistoric jokes. This site (https://historyfacts.com/arts-culture/article/5-of-the-oldest-jokes-in-history/ - I don't think it is definitive) suggests the oldest known joke in the world is from ancient Sumeria, and goes:

    "Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”

    Not uproariously funny, but it has farting in it, so relatable.
    The site also identifies the oldest 'walked into a bar' joke, which has definitely lost something in the translation or over the years:

    “A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”

    We also have a fourth century BC Greek joke book, which contains things syntactically recognisable as jokes, including this one which has endured to the present day and which may possibly be the world's oldest extant joke:

    “Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the witty fellow replied: ‘In silence.’”

    Last one is quite good.

    Barbers clearly masters of banal and inane chatter even in ancient times.
    Somewhere in Rome...

    "I 'ad that Caligula in the back of the chariot, the other day. Top bloke. He'll sort out those Christians something proper. Just 'ere, guv? That'll be 3 denarii - I only take cash."
    Atrebates Express?

    Sorry mate. Don't take that.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,022
    edited October 15

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,758
    Mr. Cookie, Augustus was once passing by a field in which the farm was starting to plough the land around the family graveyard. He called to the farmer that he was truly cultivating his father's memory.

    This isn't a joke per se, but a funny moment happened in the reign of Philip V of Macedon. He attacked a city by surprise, intending a midnight escalade. Very daring. Except somebody has miscalculated and the siege ladders were too short, so he had to give up and go home.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/14/weight-loss-jabs-get-britain-working-wes-streeting/

    A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.

    Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.

    It's not restricted to the unemployed though.

    Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?

    Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.

    NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
    Indeed.

    Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
    We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
    Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.

    It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
    No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
    Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
    The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.

    One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.

    As in France.

    Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
    I'm guessing that school meals in the UK are rigidly constructed so as to have the required amount of nutrition and so forth.

    Meanwhile I don't know if "£££" means a lot or a little.
    LOL.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,459
    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    I've now gone down a rabbithole of prehistoric jokes. This site (https://historyfacts.com/arts-culture/article/5-of-the-oldest-jokes-in-history/ - I don't think it is definitive) suggests the oldest known joke in the world is from ancient Sumeria, and goes:

    "Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”

    Not uproariously funny, but it has farting in it, so relatable.
    The site also identifies the oldest 'walked into a bar' joke, which has definitely lost something in the translation or over the years:

    “A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”

    We also have a fourth century BC Greek joke book, which contains things syntactically recognisable as jokes, including this one which has endured to the present day and which may possibly be the world's oldest extant joke:

    “Asked by the court barber how he wanted his hair cut, the witty fellow replied: ‘In silence.’”

    “A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’” - I love this one. It absolutely sounds like it should be hilarious, but we are missing some context which contemporaries would have understood as a ubiquitous part of their everyday life. If we could figure out what makes it funny, we'd probably understand something profound about the experience of being an ordinary person, 4,000 years ago.
    Maybe it was a thing and remarked upon a lot to do with dogs lying around sleeping all the time that even when they walk into a bar they have eyes closed so the dog decides it might be necessary to open one eye?

    Or the joke is that the dog talks.
  • The key take-away from this is the fact the US electoral sysyem is not fit for purpose if the purpose is to reflect the votes cast. On the other hand it is very fit for purpose if you want to rig the result - whether legally or illegally. The Dems are no angels in this but the Reps have made it an art which is why Reps are the ones blocking reform.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,641
    MaxPB said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    This has got to be a spoof, right?

    "Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe"

    Is probably the most insane policy I've seen. Are they going to have a race bar on an investment value protection scheme?
    If this is the kind of big policy we are going to get out of a Harris presidency, then voting for Trump almost seems sane.

    Almost.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,193
    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    Those policies are jaw-droppingly horrendous. There must be an awful lot of people who obvs can't vote for Trump but can't support the Dems either.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,238

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    People are such snowflakes nowadays. He is PC Plod not an ambassador.
    Indeed, it is not terrorism to take up arms to defend your country. It is a matter of opinion. If some Ukrainians started blowing up Russian embassies I'd regard it as a legitimate use of violence.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,193
    MaxPB said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    This has got to be a spoof, right?

    "Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe"

    Is probably the most insane policy I've seen. Are they going to have a race bar on an investment value protection scheme?
    I sincerely hope it's a spoof. Sign of the times that we can't tell.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    Agree. Give PC Plod a break. He has to know a lot more law than our lawmaker MPs do. He has to put it into effect perfectly in the middle of a riot/affray/row while at risk of every detail beiong videoed and while in personal danger. He has to be accountable at the lawyers' expansive leisure in court 6 months later when questioned by 6 better paid KCs about instantaneous judgments in conflicted moments. And he has a duty to try to keep the peace when his critics massed on the street want to make trouble for him and each other. If he is found to lie he may lose his job. If defendants lie that's just normal and no-one cares.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,521
    Stocky said:

    MaxPB said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    This has got to be a spoof, right?

    "Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe"

    Is probably the most insane policy I've seen. Are they going to have a race bar on an investment value protection scheme?
    I sincerely hope it's a spoof. Sign of the times that we can't tell.
    It's not a spoof:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,737
    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    In wokespeak, black - when it refers to people - is capitalised. But white is not.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,098
    I certainly think it goes against Labour's manifesto but Increasing employer NI might throttle wage growth, which could help cap inflationary pressures (And hence lower interest rates). A silver lining of sorts perhaps.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,920
    MaxPB said:

    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    Any policy which says it will protect people from losses against crypto investment is insane. So I could push money into a 100 or so shit coins, have my money back for the 99 that lose and bank 100x gains on the one that doesn't?
    I imagine it's more like extending FDIC protection to coins held on deposit with Coinbase and the like. Same as how your first 70k in your bank account is covered in the UK.

    Crypto so far away from its cypherpunk roots it's insane.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330
    edited October 15
    Cookie said:

    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    In wokespeak, black - when it refers to people - is capitalised. But white is not.
    White is used as a pejorative.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,510
    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,097
    kyf_100 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    Any policy which says it will protect people from losses against crypto investment is insane. So I could push money into a 100 or so shit coins, have my money back for the 99 that lose and bank 100x gains on the one that doesn't?
    I imagine it's more like extending FDIC protection to coins held on deposit with Coinbase and the like. Same as how your first 70k in your bank account is covered in the UK.

    Crypto so far away from its cypherpunk roots it's insane.
    Yes.

    So in order to avoid the Evul Banksters

    1) Government regulation
    2) Government inspections
    3) Deposit ratios
    4) Mandatory security testing

    :

    761) In order to get away from the Evul Crypto Banksters.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,097
    Pulpstar said:

    I certainly think it goes against Labour's manifesto but Increasing employer NI might throttle wage growth, which could help cap inflationary pressures (And hence lower interest rates). A silver lining of sorts perhaps.

    Your reminder that claiming that National Insurance is related to National Insurance is Literally Fascism and Talking The Country Down.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    edited October 15

    I flagged up the 538 favourability averages as something to watch a while ago. Since then these have moved not necessarily in a manner to Harris' advantage.

    She's now down to a net +0.1, while Trump's score is -9.7.

    On the face of it that looks like a large advantage for Harris, but Clinton had a +9 edge vs Trump in 2016, and that wasn't enough then.

    I can't find the comparable figures for 2020.

    There’s not the level of animosity towards Harris . Clinton was very much a marmite character.

    And if Dobbs had happened before 2016 Clinton would still have won inspite of that . Most pollsters have also modified their methodology to try and combat their underestimate of Trump support in the swing states .
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330
    Pulpstar said:

    I certainly think it goes against Labour's manifesto but Increasing employer NI might throttle wage growth, which could help cap inflationary pressures (And hence lower interest rates). A silver lining of sorts perhaps.

    It could throttle it in the private sector, whilst it is unthrottled in the public sector.

    People aren't going to thank you for freezing their wages.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,510
    FPT
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Malcolm Gladwell’s cult of smartness
    The educated rationalists addressed by Revenge of the Tipping Point are sometimes the dumbest – and baddest – of them all.
    By John Gray"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2024/10/malcolm-gladwell-review-cult-of-smartness-john-gray-revenge-of-the-tipping-point

    That's an unusually lazy article by Mr Gray: reading it, I wonder if he did more than flick through the Gladwell book.
    As an aside: it is far from Gladwell's best book (come to mention it, the Bomber Mafia was rubbish too), but the NY Times review is a much better takedown of it than John Gray's, not least because Mr Gray seemed far more interested - Mathew Goodwin style - of just repeating the same old tropes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/29/books/review/revenge-of-the-tipping-point-malcolm-gladwell.html?unlocked_article_code=1.SU4.4y5r.x4Qd8P21MwOY&smid=url-share
    Thanks for the link rcs1000.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,098
    edited October 15
    MaxPB said:

    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    Any policy which says it will protect people from losses against crypto investment is insane. So I could push money into a 100 or so shit coins, have my money back for the 99 that lose and bank 100x gains on the one that doesn't?
    Surely the protection should be that if you invest in 100 shitcoins then you can back 100 shitcoins whatever their value is at the time ?

    Coinbase tells me my holdings of 0.13349 ETH and 0.000832 BTC and 1837.46 SHIB are worth £265.54, £41.56 and £0.02 respectively. Surely the only job of the regulator is to ensure I can trade those back for £265.54, £41.56 and £0.02 if I wanted to at this moment.
    Not to make sure that if I had say spent £1837 on the SHIB (I can assure you all this isn't the case !) and it was worth £0.02 now that I'd be protected for the £1837.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    I mean yes, maybe. They evidently just didn't want to get involved and hadn't heard of Hezbollah. I bet there are a zillion proscribed groups. But yes, I don't know exactly what is and what isn't allowed - ie flying the Hezbollah flag is illegal - and perhaps they should have known that.

    But I still have a degree of sympathy for them.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    Of course. They should be up to date on that and the law on allowing horses to stray, and whether cattle taken in withernam are replevisible; in much the same way that the cabinet, all ministers, PM and CoE know that they have pledged not to raise NI and that P&O are no longer demonic law breakers actually but our best friend.

    Police officers also need to know all this in the instantaneous immediacy of a conflicted developing riot situation in a city street.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,510
    "• Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry"

    To me this reads like the sort of thing a losing candidate would be responsible for okaying, in terms of its out-of-touchness with the important issues of the day. That's my gut feeling. I hope I'm wrong because I don't want Trump to win.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    .
    MaxPB said:

    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    Any policy which says it will protect people from losses against crypto investment is insane. So I could push money into a 100 or so shit coins, have my money back for the 99 that lose and bank 100x gains on the one that doesn't?
    It's obviously not that.
    Quote what it is, isn't clear.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,806
    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    No. They really don't need to know if the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a proscribed organisation unless they work in counter terrorism or if it is relevant to a case they are on.

    Your expectations are quite bizarre. I bet most terrorism lawyers and senior diplomats wouldn't know the full list without checking it.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,284
    nico679 said:

    I flagged up the 538 favourability averages as something to watch a while ago. Since then these have moved not necessarily in a manner to Harris' advantage.

    She's now down to a net +0.1, while Trump's score is -9.7.

    On the face of it that looks like a large advantage for Harris, but Clinton had a +9 edge vs Trump in 2016, and that wasn't enough then.

    I can't find the comparable figures for 2020.

    There’s not the level of animosity towards Harris . Clinton was very much a marmite character.

    And if Dobbs had happened before 2016 Clinton would still have won inspite of that . Most pollsters have also modified their methodology to try and combat their underestimate of Trump support in the swing states .
    The figures I found for 2016 had Clinton on a net -12. So, as you say, Harris is a lot more popular/less unpopular than Clinton.

    The thing that most people seem to gloss over is that Trump was at a net -21 in 2016, but he's now only at -9.7.

    Trump 2024 is apparently a lot less unpopular than Trump 2016.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/14/weight-loss-jabs-get-britain-working-wes-streeting/

    A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.

    Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.

    It's not restricted to the unemployed though.

    Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?

    Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.

    NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
    Indeed.

    Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
    We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
    Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.

    It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
    No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
    Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
    Bollox Topping , the amount of money squandered by our halfwitted politicians is unbelievable, if they got their finger out , sorted out public service etc then we coudl do all these things easily. 22B on Milicrap's stupid carbon capture crap instead of sticking it in the black hole of his napper.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,998
    edited October 15

    I flagged up the 538 favourability averages as something to watch a while ago. Since then these have moved not necessarily in a manner to Harris' advantage.

    She's now down to a net +0.1, while Trump's score is -9.7.

    On the face of it that looks like a large advantage for Harris, but Clinton had a +9 edge vs Trump in 2016, and that wasn't enough then.

    I can't find the comparable figures for 2020.

    As with all FPTP elections, which is what the electoral college is, it comes down to how the vote is distributed rather than how many votes there are.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,521
    Andy_JS said:

    "• Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry"

    To me this reads like the sort of thing a losing candidate would be responsible for okaying, in terms of its out-of-touchness with the important issues of the day. That's my gut feeling. I hope I'm wrong because I don't want Trump to win.

    Presumably drug dealing businesses will be eligible for the $20bn in fully forgivable loans.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    People are such snowflakes nowadays. He is PC Plod not an ambassador.
    highlights that the police take any dumb cluck/biased idiot in nowadays
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    Business investment has been too low in the UK over decades.

    Labour has been cheap following the unemployment in the 80s and freedom of movement in the 00's.

    Is there a correlation between the two?

    Recently we have low unemployment, minimum wage increases and now likely employer NIC increases. All of which increases the cost of labour.

    This could encourage substitution in the form of capital investment (plant and machine, IT, AI etc).

    Consistent approach to encourage more businesses investment?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,806
    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    People are such snowflakes nowadays. He is PC Plod not an ambassador.
    highlights that the police take any dumb cluck/biased idiot in nowadays
    Unless we want to pay them 2x their current salaries its not going to attract the brightest, no. Unless you are a power hungry nutter its not an attractive job at average salary.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,351

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/14/weight-loss-jabs-get-britain-working-wes-streeting/

    A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.

    Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.

    It's not restricted to the unemployed though.

    Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?

    Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.

    NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
    Indeed.

    Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
    We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
    Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.

    It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
    No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
    Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
    The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.

    One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.

    As in France.

    Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
    I'm guessing that school meals in the UK are rigidly constructed so as to have the required amount of nutrition and so forth.

    Meanwhile I don't know if "£££" means a lot or a little.
    LOL.
    Don't get me started on nutritional balanced meals. When I was in hospital for a few weeks every meal HAD to be balanced. Now that is not normal. A balanced diet is over a week, or more. Your body is pretty good at obtaining the nutrients it needs from the food it consumes. Its almost like millions of years of evolution have made it that way.

    So you don't need every meal to be perfect, just aim for it in the longer term.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    MaxPB said:

    Fishing said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    Why is black unnecessarily capitalised throughout?

    Points 1 and 3 are tailor-made for fraud on an epic scale. Points 2 and 4 are overamibitous and clearly discriminatory and point 5 may well do rather more harm than good.

    Fail.
    Any policy which says it will protect people from losses against crypto investment is insane. So I could push money into a 100 or so shit coins, have my money back for the 99 that lose and bank 100x gains on the one that doesn't?
    Obviously that's not what anybody's proposing.

    But a lot of (most?) cryptocurrency investors lose money to fraud. There are a lot of things governments could do to make this happen less. I have zero confidence that the Harris administration will manage to do that since the Biden administration is actively making the problem worse but it's definitely possible.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,998
    MaxPB said:

    Policy announcement from Harris:

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1845993766441644386

    • Provide 1 million loans that are fully forgivable up to $20k for Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business
    • Support education training, and mentorship programs that lead to good-paying jobs for Black men, including pathways to become teachers
    • Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe
    • Launch a national health initiative focused on the illnesses that disproportionately impact Black men
    • Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry

    This has got to be a spoof, right?

    "Protect cryptocurrency investments so Black men who make them know their money is safe"

    Is probably the most insane policy I've seen. Are they going to have a race bar on an investment value protection scheme?
    Aren't these largely policies for everyone that the campaign is highlighting will help Black men, rather than policies that only apply to Black men?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,351

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    No. They really don't need to know if the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a proscribed organisation unless they work in counter terrorism or if it is relevant to a case they are on.

    Your expectations are quite bizarre. I bet most terrorism lawyers and senior diplomats wouldn't know the full list without checking it.

    I think they ought to know that Hezbollah is proscribed. At least someone at a senior level sending out the troops should.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,737
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,284

    I flagged up the 538 favourability averages as something to watch a while ago. Since then these have moved not necessarily in a manner to Harris' advantage.

    She's now down to a net +0.1, while Trump's score is -9.7.

    On the face of it that looks like a large advantage for Harris, but Clinton had a +9 edge vs Trump in 2016, and that wasn't enough then.

    I can't find the comparable figures for 2020.

    As with all FPTP elections, which is what the electoral college is, it comes down to how the vote is distributed rather than how many votes there are.
    Yes, that's logically true, but it's also kinda irrelevant.

    The Harris campaign cannot redistribute Democratic voters from California to Pennsylvania. They're mostly stuck with the geographical distribution of voters as it is.

    There's a limited amount they can do to appeal specifically to voters in the swing states, to the extent that the swing state voters are identifiably different, but mostly if you're ahead by enough nationality then you'll end up being ahead by enough in the swing states.

    I don't think Harris is ahead by enough.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    Of course. They should be up to date on that and the law on allowing horses to stray, and whether cattle taken in withernam are replevisible; in much the same way that the cabinet, all ministers, PM and CoE know that they have pledged not to raise NI and that P&O are no longer demonic law breakers actually but our best friend.

    Police officers also need to know all this in the instantaneous immediacy of a conflicted developing riot situation in a city street.
    bollox, only idiots would not know that mob are scumbag terrorists.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,806

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    No. They really don't need to know if the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a proscribed organisation unless they work in counter terrorism or if it is relevant to a case they are on.

    Your expectations are quite bizarre. I bet most terrorism lawyers and senior diplomats wouldn't know the full list without checking it.

    I think they ought to know that Hezbollah is proscribed. At least someone at a senior level sending out the troops should.
    Someone at a senior level would know ahead of that rally. But even they probably don't want to get into a detailed discussion with activists over it and would politely get on with crowd marshalling.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,628
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,064
    edited October 15
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Mr. Eagles, a swift end without suffering is better than most of the alternatives.

    I want to die like Chrysippus of Soli who died laughing at his own joke.
    A donkey eating figs was his joke. Doesn't seem a rib tickler to me.
    Perhaps it was better in the original Greek.
    Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall.
    Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
    It’s an interesting experiment. What is the oldest joke/line in English that still makes you laugh

    It might be Byron. Some lines from Beppo and maybe Don Juan can induce a genuine chortle

    Unlike Shakespeare
    Personally, perhaps something from Chaucer or Pilgrim's Progress, if I can't have translations.

    Checking, this is Anglo-Saxon (10C):

    "What hangs at a man's thigh and wants to poke the hole that it's often poked before? Answer: A key."

    Appropriately my resource for the research into old jokes is dave.tv.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,351
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Bob Monkhouse was a comic genius, and hailed from the old era of comedians - not the modern discursive, story telling types. His comic timing and delivery was perfect.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
    Monkhouse was great, it is that unfunny clown Carr I was talking about , and threw in the equally bad and unfunny Corden for good measure.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,998

    I flagged up the 538 favourability averages as something to watch a while ago. Since then these have moved not necessarily in a manner to Harris' advantage.

    She's now down to a net +0.1, while Trump's score is -9.7.

    On the face of it that looks like a large advantage for Harris, but Clinton had a +9 edge vs Trump in 2016, and that wasn't enough then.

    I can't find the comparable figures for 2020.

    As with all FPTP elections, which is what the electoral college is, it comes down to how the vote is distributed rather than how many votes there are.
    Yes, that's logically true, but it's also kinda irrelevant.

    The Harris campaign cannot redistribute Democratic voters from California to Pennsylvania. They're mostly stuck with the geographical distribution of voters as it is.

    There's a limited amount they can do to appeal specifically to voters in the swing states, to the extent that the swing state voters are identifiably different, but mostly if you're ahead by enough nationality then you'll end up being ahead by enough in the swing states.

    I don't think Harris is ahead by enough.
    Harris is probably targeting her campaigning better than Clinton did.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,737
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,098
    edited October 15

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Watch: Met Police officer refuses to accept Hezbollah are terrorists

    Force spokesman admits need for briefing officers after Met Police describe terror group proscribed under UK law as a matter of ‘opinion’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/metropolitan-police-officer-refuses-hezbollah-terrorists/

    I saw that clip and it is a blimmin' minefield if you are plod. They were trying as best they could to avoid talking about it at all, trying to remain neutral, and using what vocabulary and tools they were able.

    A weak gotcha imo.
    But shouldn't police officers know which organisations are proscribed terrorist groups?
    No. They really don't need to know if the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a proscribed organisation unless they work in counter terrorism or if it is relevant to a case they are on.

    Your expectations are quite bizarre. I bet most terrorism lawyers and senior diplomats wouldn't know the full list without checking it.

    Hmm I'd disagree - on rallies they're marshalling they ought to know who the main relevant proscribed terrorist organisations are (As defined by the Gov't, so the crowd or plod's opinion is irrelevant). For the current rallies that's المقاومة الإسلامية في لبنان (More commonly known as Hez or Hizbollah (The party of God)) and حركة المقاومة الإسلامية, more commonly known as Hamas (Harakat al-Muqawamah al-Islamiyyah)).
    Now if a Palestinian Islamic Jihad flag was being flown (Also a terrorist group) you could excuse the ignorance - but to be aknowledgeable about either of the big two is, how can I put this extremely convienient for Plod policing the rally...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    .
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
    Malcolm was indeed talking absolute Carr...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,406
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Agree; I don't Carr at all funny.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,097

    Andy_JS said:

    "• Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for Black Americans to succeed in this new industry"

    To me this reads like the sort of thing a losing candidate would be responsible for okaying, in terms of its out-of-touchness with the important issues of the day. That's my gut feeling. I hope I'm wrong because I don't want Trump to win.

    Presumably drug dealing businesses will be eligible for the $20bn in fully forgivable loans.
    Once again, to point out that to legalise drugs without legalising and regulating the entire chain, from creation to consumption is insane.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,351

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Agree; I don't Carr at all funny.
    Carr can be an acquired taste, and like food and drink we all have our preferences. Where he is interesting is on the edges of how far you can push humour. Can you make jokes about the queen dying on the day she dies, or do you need to wait (how long?). Billy Connolly was pulled up by a heckler at a gig over a joke about an Isis hostage being decapitated. I'm not going to say right or wrong, but everyone has a line.

    We've seen multiple cases in recent times of the police behaving in ways we, as a society, don't agree with. Lacking respect for victims of murder etc. And yet none of use (or few at any rate) have to deal with the things that the police sometimes do. My father, the ex-policeman, says that the humour can be very dark, as a way to cope. What's happened in some cases is that the humour is no longer down the pub, but on WhatsApp and that then becomes an issue. Personally I think police should be able to post whatever shit they want on personal WhatsApp groups, as long as their behaviour at work meets acceptable standards. But not everyone will agree.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
    Monkhouse was great, it is that unfunny clown Carr I was talking about , and threw in the equally bad and unfunny Corden for good measure.
    Which one. Jimmy or Alan ?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,712

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
    Monkhouse's blue show was excellent.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,650
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Mr. Eagles, a swift end without suffering is better than most of the alternatives.

    I want to die like Chrysippus of Soli who died laughing at his own joke.
    A donkey eating figs was his joke. Doesn't seem a rib tickler to me.
    Perhaps it was better in the original Greek.
    Or perhaps it was better in the classical period. Humour doesn't really travel well through the ages - look at Max Wall.
    Or perhaps he was just easily amused.
    It’s an interesting experiment. What is the oldest joke/line in English that still makes you laugh

    It might be Byron. Some lines from Beppo and maybe Don Juan can induce a genuine chortle

    Unlike Shakespeare
    "By my life, this is my lady’s hand: these be her very C’s,
    her U’s, and her T’s; and thus makes she her great P’s."
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
    It started here cookie ,

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
    Twenty one years.

    Although he came back to life briefly in 2007 to make this prostate cancer ad.

    https://youtu.be/BsBPc0ezWUM?si=P3Ndn6Wo7bRsC71R
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330
    Harris's rather wacky pronouncement on Crypto, among other things. A pitch to Black males that the democrats are losing ground with, as suspected by some.

    "Those statements easily constitute the most outright pro-crypto positions ever put forth by Harris or her campaign. Previously, the Democratic presidential nominee had only ever referenced the industry in passing. She had never offered commitments to any concrete pro-crypto policies, something her opponent, former president Donald Trump, has been pitching for months.

    It is notable not only that Harris finally appears to have committed to a full-throated stance on the issue, but also that she has done so within the very particular context of attempting to woo Black male voters—a demographic that has long been crucial to Democrats, but that the Harris campaign has recently expressed concern about losing ground with in 2024."

    https://decrypt.co/286114/kamala-harris-pro-crypto-stance-black-men
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
    Monkhouse was great, it is that unfunny clown Carr I was talking about , and threw in the equally bad and unfunny Corden for good measure.
    Which one. Jimmy or Alan ?
    Jimmy by a country mile , Alan miles better , you got some laughs from him
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,510
    "Why Tory centrists are hopeless at leadership elections
    Conservative MPs try to second-guess the membership rather than voting with conviction.

    By David Gauke"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/10/why-tory-centrists-are-hopeless-leadership-elections
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
    It started here cookie ,

    His one funny joke. Well to me it is.

    "A guy came up to me the other day in the street wearing a hi-viz and with a clipboard and he said "Sir, have you got ten minutes for medical research" to which I replied "we won't get much done in that time"
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
    Malcolm was indeed talking absolute Carr...
    glad some followed the string Nige
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/14/weight-loss-jabs-get-britain-working-wes-streeting/

    A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.

    Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.

    It's not restricted to the unemployed though.

    Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?

    Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.

    NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
    Indeed.

    Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
    We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
    Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.

    It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
    No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
    Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
    The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.

    One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.

    As in France.

    Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
    I'm guessing that school meals in the UK are rigidly constructed so as to have the required amount of nutrition and so forth.

    Meanwhile I don't know if "£££" means a lot or a little.
    LOL.
    Knock yourself out.

    https://www.gov.uk/school-meals-food-standards
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330

    Another winner for Ed Miliband ?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13959055/Vauxhall-owner-considers-UK-plant-closures-Decision-weeks.html

    The owner of Vauxhall will decide whether to close its UK plants within 'the next few weeks'.

    Stellantis, Europe's second-largest car maker, has been weighing up its options for months amid a row with the Government over quotas for electric vehicles (EVs).

    Tavares urged the Government to 'help to stimulate the demand' if they want firms such as Stellantis to sell a higher proportion of electric cars. He said the government threshold for green sales was about double 'natural' levels of demand.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,089

    In 2016 Clinton lost the tipping point state by 0.77%, and won the national vote by 2.1%. So the Electoral College would have been on a knife edge (assuming UNS) with a national vote margin of 2.9.

    In 2020 Biden won the tipping point state by 0.63%, and won the national vote by 4.5%. So the Electoral College would have been a knife edge with a Biden lead of 3.9.

    Biden's vote distribution was less efficient than Clinton's, but he won because he was far enough ahead nationally. You won't read that in the popular histories, which all credit Biden's victory to his appeal to Midwestern states, and criticise Clinton for not campaigning enough there.

    Yes, you get lots of accepted wisdoms that don't really stand up. Eg that HRC lost because of complacency about the rust belt. Often cited is her failing to visit Wisconsin. Ok, but she visited Pennsylvania many many times and yet lost there by more than she lost Wisconsin.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,098
    Taz said:


    Another winner for Ed Miliband ?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13959055/Vauxhall-owner-considers-UK-plant-closures-Decision-weeks.html

    The owner of Vauxhall will decide whether to close its UK plants within 'the next few weeks'.

    Stellantis, Europe's second-largest car maker, has been weighing up its options for months amid a row with the Government over quotas for electric vehicles (EVs).

    Tavares urged the Government to 'help to stimulate the demand' if they want firms such as Stellantis to sell a higher proportion of electric cars. He said the government threshold for green sales was about double 'natural' levels of demand.

    Not just Vauxhall

    Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat, Jeep, Alfa.

    Also Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, Abarth, Lancia and Maserati.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Taz said:

    Harris's rather wacky pronouncement on Crypto, among other things. A pitch to Black males that the democrats are losing ground with, as suspected by some.

    "Those statements easily constitute the most outright pro-crypto positions ever put forth by Harris or her campaign. Previously, the Democratic presidential nominee had only ever referenced the industry in passing. She had never offered commitments to any concrete pro-crypto policies, something her opponent, former president Donald Trump, has been pitching for months.

    It is notable not only that Harris finally appears to have committed to a full-throated stance on the issue, but also that she has done so within the very particular context of attempting to woo Black male voters—a demographic that has long been crucial to Democrats, but that the Harris campaign has recently expressed concern about losing ground with in 2024."

    https://decrypt.co/286114/kamala-harris-pro-crypto-stance-black-men

    IDK, the statement is so vague it could just mean the current policy which is basically "all crypto is illegal except the one that wrecks the environment, for reasons which we refuse to elucidate".
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    edited October 15
    Taz said:


    Another winner for Ed Miliband ?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13959055/Vauxhall-owner-considers-UK-plant-closures-Decision-weeks.html

    The owner of Vauxhall will decide whether to close its UK plants within 'the next few weeks'.

    Stellantis, Europe's second-largest car maker, has been weighing up its options for months amid a row with the Government over quotas for electric vehicles (EVs).

    Tavares urged the Government to 'help to stimulate the demand' if they want firms such as Stellantis to sell a higher proportion of electric cars. He said the government threshold for green sales was about double 'natural' levels of demand.

    They will close it , they are looking to save money big time so no chance they will want to lose more cash because of pathetic UK rules. Milliband is the clown of clowns.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,737
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
    It started here cookie ,

    Huh, ok. A bit tangled, but I'll go with the intention.
    Disagree with you on Carr preference though. Alan Carr is my least favourite comedian by some way.
  • Taz said:

    Harris's rather wacky pronouncement on Crypto, among other things. A pitch to Black males that the democrats are losing ground with, as suspected by some.

    "Those statements easily constitute the most outright pro-crypto positions ever put forth by Harris or her campaign. Previously, the Democratic presidential nominee had only ever referenced the industry in passing. She had never offered commitments to any concrete pro-crypto policies, something her opponent, former president Donald Trump, has been pitching for months.

    It is notable not only that Harris finally appears to have committed to a full-throated stance on the issue, but also that she has done so within the very particular context of attempting to woo Black male voters—a demographic that has long been crucial to Democrats, but that the Harris campaign has recently expressed concern about losing ground with in 2024."

    https://decrypt.co/286114/kamala-harris-pro-crypto-stance-black-men

    IDK, the statement is so vague it could just mean the current policy which is basically "all crypto is illegal except the one that wrecks the environment, for reasons which we refuse to elucidate".
    How do you out crypto the ultimate crypto Bro, Musk?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,967
    Taz said:


    Another winner for Ed Miliband ?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13959055/Vauxhall-owner-considers-UK-plant-closures-Decision-weeks.html

    The owner of Vauxhall will decide whether to close its UK plants within 'the next few weeks'.

    Stellantis, Europe's second-largest car maker, has been weighing up its options for months amid a row with the Government over quotas for electric vehicles (EVs).

    Tavares urged the Government to 'help to stimulate the demand' if they want firms such as Stellantis to sell a higher proportion of electric cars. He said the government threshold for green sales was about double 'natural' levels of demand.

    Car manufacturers have been making losses on British production almost universally for years, including before Brexit. As is the case in all Western European countries they tend to exit markets kicking and screaming.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,089

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Agree; I don't Carr at all funny.
    Carr can be an acquired taste, and like food and drink we all have our preferences. Where he is interesting is on the edges of how far you can push humour. Can you make jokes about the queen dying on the day she dies, or do you need to wait (how long?). Billy Connolly was pulled up by a heckler at a gig over a joke about an Isis hostage being decapitated. I'm not going to say right or wrong, but everyone has a line.

    We've seen multiple cases in recent times of the police behaving in ways we, as a society, don't agree with. Lacking respect for victims of murder etc. And yet none of use (or few at any rate) have to deal with the things that the police sometimes do. My father, the ex-policeman, says that the humour can be very dark, as a way to cope. What's happened in some cases is that the humour is no longer down the pub, but on WhatsApp and that then becomes an issue. Personally I think police should be able to post whatever shit they want on personal WhatsApp groups, as long as their behaviour at work meets acceptable standards. But not everyone will agree.
    Inc photos of murder victims?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    edited October 15
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Eh? How on earth was I to infer that from the chain above?
    It started here cookie ,

    Huh, ok. A bit tangled, but I'll go with the intention.
    Disagree with you on Carr preference though. Alan Carr is my least favourite comedian by some way.
    I was using the comparison with Jimmy who I rate as the unfunniest guy in the country so not exactly high praise for Alan who is also dire.

    Micky Flanagan is another story, very funny.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Taz said:

    Harris's rather wacky pronouncement on Crypto, among other things. A pitch to Black males that the democrats are losing ground with, as suspected by some.

    "Those statements easily constitute the most outright pro-crypto positions ever put forth by Harris or her campaign. Previously, the Democratic presidential nominee had only ever referenced the industry in passing. She had never offered commitments to any concrete pro-crypto policies, something her opponent, former president Donald Trump, has been pitching for months.

    It is notable not only that Harris finally appears to have committed to a full-throated stance on the issue, but also that she has done so within the very particular context of attempting to woo Black male voters—a demographic that has long been crucial to Democrats, but that the Harris campaign has recently expressed concern about losing ground with in 2024."

    https://decrypt.co/286114/kamala-harris-pro-crypto-stance-black-men

    IDK, the statement is so vague it could just mean the current policy which is basically "all crypto is illegal except the one that wrecks the environment, for reasons which we refuse to elucidate".
    How do you out crypto the ultimate crypto Bro, Musk?
    I mean speaking as a crypto bro she already missed her chance to show she was one of us, by insider-trading her own VP nomination on Polymarket
  • malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Agree; I don't Carr at all funny.
    Carr can be an acquired taste, and like food and drink we all have our preferences. Where he is interesting is on the edges of how far you can push humour. Can you make jokes about the queen dying on the day she dies, or do you need to wait (how long?). Billy Connolly was pulled up by a heckler at a gig over a joke about an Isis hostage being decapitated. I'm not going to say right or wrong, but everyone has a line.

    We've seen multiple cases in recent times of the police behaving in ways we, as a society, don't agree with. Lacking respect for victims of murder etc. And yet none of use (or few at any rate) have to deal with the things that the police sometimes do. My father, the ex-policeman, says that the humour can be very dark, as a way to cope. What's happened in some cases is that the humour is no longer down the pub, but on WhatsApp and that then becomes an issue. Personally I think police should be able to post whatever shit they want on personal WhatsApp groups, as long as their behaviour at work meets acceptable standards. But not everyone will agree.
    I listened to a podcast he was on a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago. He was far more insightful on a range of different issues than I expected.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,755
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Especially as Monkhouse has been dead these past ten years.
    Monkhouse was great, it is that unfunny clown Carr I was talking about , and threw in the equally bad and unfunny Corden for good measure.
    Corden has a talent for physical theatre unmatched in anyone else I've seen. I saw him in One Man Two Governors and I'd say his was the funniest performance I've ever seen on stage.
    Jimmy Carr though is certainly not to my taste, I just don't find him funny, although I've not seen him live. Stewart Lee is probably the funniest stand up comedian I've seen live.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Agree; I don't Carr at all funny.
    Carr can be an acquired taste, and like food and drink we all have our preferences. Where he is interesting is on the edges of how far you can push humour. Can you make jokes about the queen dying on the day she dies, or do you need to wait (how long?). Billy Connolly was pulled up by a heckler at a gig over a joke about an Isis hostage being decapitated. I'm not going to say right or wrong, but everyone has a line.

    We've seen multiple cases in recent times of the police behaving in ways we, as a society, don't agree with. Lacking respect for victims of murder etc. And yet none of use (or few at any rate) have to deal with the things that the police sometimes do. My father, the ex-policeman, says that the humour can be very dark, as a way to cope. What's happened in some cases is that the humour is no longer down the pub, but on WhatsApp and that then becomes an issue. Personally I think police should be able to post whatever shit they want on personal WhatsApp groups, as long as their behaviour at work meets acceptable standards. But not everyone will agree.
    And also a taste never acquired.
  • malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    mwadams said:

    Have you seen Bob Monkhouse's "The Business of Comedy"? It's fascinating watching him in his "chat show/LE" persona but asking questions that he and his interviewee have clearly discussed "seriously" in the green room.

    I saw him at a corporate event

    His off TV show would probably be banned these days
    the clown should be banned for being teh unfunniest comedian in the country ( joint top when saddo Corden gets back ).
    I must admit, I didn't have Bob Monkhouse down as today's target for Malc's fury.
    Put your specs on cookie , I was talking Carr
    Agree; I don't Carr at all funny.
    Carr can be an acquired taste, and like food and drink we all have our preferences. Where he is interesting is on the edges of how far you can push humour. Can you make jokes about the queen dying on the day she dies, or do you need to wait (how long?). Billy Connolly was pulled up by a heckler at a gig over a joke about an Isis hostage being decapitated. I'm not going to say right or wrong, but everyone has a line.

    We've seen multiple cases in recent times of the police behaving in ways we, as a society, don't agree with. Lacking respect for victims of murder etc. And yet none of use (or few at any rate) have to deal with the things that the police sometimes do. My father, the ex-policeman, says that the humour can be very dark, as a way to cope. What's happened in some cases is that the humour is no longer down the pub, but on WhatsApp and that then becomes an issue. Personally I think police should be able to post whatever shit they want on personal WhatsApp groups, as long as their behaviour at work meets acceptable standards. But not everyone will agree.
    I listened to a podcast he was on a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago. He was far more insightful on a range of different issues than I expected.
    He may not be very likeable or relateable, but he does come across as a very smart man
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/14/weight-loss-jabs-get-britain-working-wes-streeting/

    A miracle health intervention that has been shown to drastically improve health, which has led to the first fall in age-adjusted US obesity rates in decades. And this government decides to focus its use on the least rather than most productive members of society, while lecturing the rest not to be fat.

    Lecturing doesn’t work. Our microbiomes and metabolisms have been fecked by Monsanto, Caryle, Tate & Lyle and the rest. If the US can get 1/8 Americans on Ozempik than so should we.

    It's not restricted to the unemployed though.

    Ozempic sounds great but I think perhaps taxing the kind of crap that leads to people getting obese might remain a important part of the solution? Perhaps more sport and active travel?

    Given current rates of childhood obesity, we will end up medicating millions of children at massive cost just to help them resist the addictive poison food manufacturers put in their products.

    NHS spending will just continue to grow, especially if Ozempic has long term health implications or the other effects of crap food is not mitigated by it. A typical case of privatise the profits, nationalise the costs.
    Indeed.

    Once again - I would like to see a Vitality style trial. Tangible incentives for exercise and health stats. A few free cinema tickets and even the Office I Never Exercise guy was taking the dog for extra walks…
    We still feed our children far too much shit in this country and too few learn to cook. Witness the ridiculous “sorry but my child can’t eat food” mums who insist their offspring are somehow incapable of consuming fresh fish, meat or vegetables. Make school lunches compulsory, and high quality, but have just one option on the menu, plus a vegetarian version. Ban all snacks. Take food out of the hands of fussy parents who pass their neuroses on to their children.
    Better yet if you have a moment could you knock up a set of guidelines to let people how they should live and bring up their children.

    It would likely save the NHS billions and also avoid all that absurd fuss that people seem to make about individual choices and whatnot.
    No. Read my post. I'm talking about school lunches. The system I describe above is broadly that used in France. I'd say 50% of what's offered to my son at his comp is shite. Why are they selling it to children?
    Because we don't want to pay more taxes to improve it. You have yourself to blame.
    The vast array of choice (and waste) at my son's comp costs £££.

    One quality meal plus a vegetarian option, for all.

    As in France.

    Will save the nation £££ in the medium term.
    I'm guessing that school meals in the UK are rigidly constructed so as to have the required amount of nutrition and so forth.

    Meanwhile I don't know if "£££" means a lot or a little.
    LOL.
    Don't get me started on nutritional balanced meals. When I was in hospital for a few weeks every meal HAD to be balanced. Now that is not normal. A balanced diet is over a week, or more. Your body is pretty good at obtaining the nutrients it needs from the food it consumes. Its almost like millions of years of evolution have made it that way.

    So you don't need every meal to be perfect, just aim for it in the longer term.
    Completely, for most people the most important requirement is calories. In hospital you are probably going to want to get them easily through sugars, with salt and fluids because of the risk of dehydration.
    It's an issue for kids at school as well. Unless they have something wrong with them kids will pick up all they need from just the normal variety of foods they eat. Even if they are chips and sausages every day, theyll get the most important stuff. It's only real long term failure to get certain minerals and vitamins that can become a problem, but not much, a growing kid needs 99.99% calories.
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