Despite things going suboptimally so far Labour still has the benefit of the doubt
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I thought U and non-U were from the 'good old days'.MarqueeMark said:
Why does anybody bother creating wank like this? In the good old days of Fleet Street, they would have refused to set the type...Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
Wank isn't new.0 -
De gustibus non est disputandum.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/0 -
They don't like joy or food so don't count anyway.ydoethur said:
Vegetarians.SonofContrarian said:Yes, Zoe Strimpel talking complete nonsense..who doesn't like a Sunday roast? 😋
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His PhD was I think in the history of Labour politics. It definitely wasn't economics. That!s why he invented the story about his mother being a company director to try and bolster his economic credentials.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.0 -
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.0 -
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.
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There is a great gap in quality between the average Full English and the average Sunday Roast - in the home and eating out.Cookie said:
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.
I would order a full english anywhere, but I always solicit recommendations for a place to have a roast. Partly the money as well, of course. Too depressing to spaff £15-£20 on a bad roast. £6.50 on a 7/10 breakfast isn't so bad.3 -
The judge brought it down to 40 years from a whole life starting point, without any massive reasons, and then knocked off 10% for the plea, making 36. Given where we are nationally about sentencing it's about right, and these sorts of cases - very rare in fact - are particularly difficult. The defendant is singularly unmeritorious.darkage said:
Yep.... very odd.algarkirk said:The rather disturbing McCullough murders hearing ended today with a life sentence, minimum 36 years. The judge's remarks shed little light on the oddest feature: the defendant was the youngest of 5 daughters, and after she murdered her parents it was over 4 years before anyone noticed there were two missing from the ranks. The GP spotted something odd in the end. Funny old world.
I don't agree with the sentence. It is another effective 'whole life' sentence (life with a minimum of 36 years). However she immediately confessed to the crimes, and pleaded guilty.
The current sentencing regime for crimes like this panders to base popular instincts, and provides no incentive at all for anyone involved in those crimes to help the authorities with their inquiries.
The bigger concern, which I think Lord Timpson is going to start addressing, is that for the great mass of defendants sentencing is much too harsh (because of the Daily Mail tendency) and even worse, there is little real rehabilitation. And as they are all coming out to bother the poor old general public again this is urgent.1 -
HIGNFY is worth catching if you missed it. Paul Merton was in excellent form tonight.2
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I have read Aristotle, that doesn't make me a philosopher.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
Susan Acland-Hood has spent decades at the DfE when she wasn't mismanaging our flood defences or buggering up the legal system and still knows fuck all about education3 -
The sunday roast and classic cooked breakfast are Britain's great contribution to world cuisine, and bugger anyone who disagrees.Cookie said:
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.
Both are restorative and based around the ritual - be that a post hangover fry up with your mates or a sunday lunch with relatives you'd otherwise not communicate with. They are comfort food, but as much about the tradition of coming together and breaking bread as they are about the food itself.3 -
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A very silly comment.BartholomewRoberts said:
They don't like joy or food so don't count anyway.ydoethur said:
Vegetarians.SonofContrarian said:Yes, Zoe Strimpel talking complete nonsense..who doesn't like a Sunday roast? 😋
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Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
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The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
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The Telegraph were streaming Trump's latest rally and I caught the end of it. if nothing else, you can't fault him for his energy. Somewhat bizarre that at the end, it played YCMA and Trump did a little dance2
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The bigger problem is the great mass of recurring criminals who have a revolving door of getting released without any sentence at all if caught, not even facing a court for years if caught etcalgarkirk said:
The judge brought it down to 40 years from a whole life starting point, without any massive reasons, and then knocked off 10% for the plea, making 36. Given where we are nationally about sentencing it's about right, and these sorts of cases - very rare in fact - are particularly difficult. The defendant is singularly unmeritorious.darkage said:
Yep.... very odd.algarkirk said:The rather disturbing McCullough murders hearing ended today with a life sentence, minimum 36 years. The judge's remarks shed little light on the oddest feature: the defendant was the youngest of 5 daughters, and after she murdered her parents it was over 4 years before anyone noticed there were two missing from the ranks. The GP spotted something odd in the end. Funny old world.
I don't agree with the sentence. It is another effective 'whole life' sentence (life with a minimum of 36 years). However she immediately confessed to the crimes, and pleaded guilty.
The current sentencing regime for crimes like this panders to base popular instincts, and provides no incentive at all for anyone involved in those crimes to help the authorities with their inquiries.
The bigger concern, which I think Lord Timpson is going to start addressing, is that for the great mass of defendants sentencing is much too harsh (because of the Daily Mail tendency) and even worse, there is little real rehabilitation. And as they are all coming out to bother the poor old general public again this is urgent.
For recurring criminals, prison works. Not because it rehabilitates people, but because a hardcore few people are behind a great proportion of crimes and getting them safely off the streets means those crimes aren't committed.2 -
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o0 -
He is indeed Dr Gordon Brown, but according to Wikipedia his PhD is in history, not economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.1 -
Combining earlier posts, HIGNFY reminded us of Jack Smith's legal contention that Trump entering to YMCA on 6th January proved it was a campaign event and not a presidential one (which would have had Hail to the Chief) so that even by the SCOTUS ruling, Trump does not have immunity.GarethoftheVale2 said:The Telegraph were streaming Trump's latest rally and I caught the end of it. if nothing else, you can't fault him for his energy. Somewhat bizarre that at the end, it played YCMA and Trump did a little dance
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I'm quite refined then. I only do number 13. And even there not as avidly now as in previous years.kyf_100 said:
De gustibus non est disputandum.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/0 -
He's being doing that for ages. Dancing to YMCA. It's the absolute least of his negatives.GarethoftheVale2 said:The Telegraph were streaming Trump's latest rally and I caught the end of it. if nothing else, you can't fault him for his energy. Somewhat bizarre that at the end, it played YCMA and Trump did a little dance
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Seems there is v little E in the PPE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
Anyone who does this degree at Oxford should be banned from public office.
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I'm really an OK guyydoethur said:
Vegetarians.SonofContrarian said:Yes, Zoe Strimpel talking complete nonsense..who doesn't like a Sunday roast? 😋
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One has to wonder whether - and when - such a talented woman will grace us again with her presence. Many have said that her time is now. And who in their right mind would contend that notion?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss2 -
I remember when the Telegraph was a reasonable newspaper. I didn’t realise it had been taken over by the Daily Star.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/0 -
I have never heard this story.ydoethur said:
His PhD was I think in the history of Labour politics. It definitely wasn't economics. That!s why he invented the story about his mother being a company director to try and bolster his economic credentials.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.0 -
Lawyers.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o0 -
What is this "global peace" to which this question refers?HYUFD said:In the long term, which country do you think is the biggest threat to global peace?
Russia: 43% (-5 from 1 Aug)
China: 12% (-2)
Israel: 11% (+4)
United States: 8% (=)
Iran: 8% (+3)
North Korea: 4% (=)
Some other country: 1% (=)
https://x.com/YouGov/status/18447764390416343572 -
If she had combined her skills with those of Susan Acland-Hood, the results would have been wondrous to behold.Anabobazina said:
One has to wonder whether - and when - such a talented woman will grace us again with her presence. Many have said that her time is now. And who in their right mind would contend that notion?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss2 -
Cambridge educated ones?Nigelb said:
Lawyers.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o0 -
Well, it hasn't really been a serious newspaper for about 15 years.Fairliered said:
I remember when the Telegraph was a reasonable newspaper. I didn’t realise it had been taken over by the Daily Star.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
It's essentially an upmarket Daily Mail, as the Guardian also becomes more tabloids and click-bait-ish, too.0 -
Rishi survived at Goldman Sachs for four years before joining a hedge fund. Comparing survival there with surviving at the DfE is like comparing survival in a shark tank to survival in a rabbit hutchydoethur said:
I have read Aristotle, that doesn't make me a philosopher.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
Susan Acland-Hood has spent decades at the DfE when she wasn't mismanaging our flood defences or buggering up the legal system and still knows fuck all about education0 -
Who can say ?Fairliered said:
Cambridge educated ones?Nigelb said:
Lawyers.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
Anyone who knows is probably under an NDA. Or super injunction.0 -
Historians and lawyers all the way thenrottenborough said:
Seems there is v little E in the PPE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
Anyone who does this degree at Oxford should be banned from public office.0 -
Her electors in Norfolk clearly failed to appreciate her greatness when they gave her the bootAnabobazina said:
One has to wonder whether - and when - such a talented woman will grace us again with her presence. Many have said that her time is now. And who in their right mind would contend that notion?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss4 -
“In the long term” - it’s an aspiration.LostPassword said:
What is this "global peace" to which this question refers?HYUFD said:In the long term, which country do you think is the biggest threat to global peace?
Russia: 43% (-5 from 1 Aug)
China: 12% (-2)
Israel: 11% (+4)
United States: 8% (=)
Iran: 8% (+3)
North Korea: 4% (=)
Some other country: 1% (=)
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1844776439041634357
Or the concept of a plan…0 -
Did the judge not take into consideration the fact that she is an orphan?algarkirk said:
The judge brought it down to 40 years from a whole life starting point, without any massive reasons, and then knocked off 10% for the plea, making 36. Given where we are nationally about sentencing it's about right, and these sorts of cases - very rare in fact - are particularly difficult. The defendant is singularly unmeritorious.darkage said:
Yep.... very odd.algarkirk said:The rather disturbing McCullough murders hearing ended today with a life sentence, minimum 36 years. The judge's remarks shed little light on the oddest feature: the defendant was the youngest of 5 daughters, and after she murdered her parents it was over 4 years before anyone noticed there were two missing from the ranks. The GP spotted something odd in the end. Funny old world.
I don't agree with the sentence. It is another effective 'whole life' sentence (life with a minimum of 36 years). However she immediately confessed to the crimes, and pleaded guilty.
The current sentencing regime for crimes like this panders to base popular instincts, and provides no incentive at all for anyone involved in those crimes to help the authorities with their inquiries.
The bigger concern, which I think Lord Timpson is going to start addressing, is that for the great mass of defendants sentencing is much too harsh (because of the Daily Mail tendency) and even worse, there is little real rehabilitation. And as they are all coming out to bother the poor old general public again this is urgent.0 -
I knew someone that worked in Harrods in the 'nineties.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
I remember him telling me a story all the way back then that struck me as very at odds with his public image.
He told me that all the young school-leavers who had got jobs there lived in absolute terror of him, because he was known to very regularly sack people on the spot for having their tie very, very fractionally askew, or the slightest spot of dirt on their shoes. He would do regular bullying "tours" of the building, I distinctly remember him saying.0 -
You mean about the ineffectiveness of ivermectin?Leon said:
Perhaps the Joe Biden team might have considered that before they pressured Facebook and Twitter to lie about the greatest health catastrophe in 100 years of human historyrcs1000 said:
Lies are very dangerous things. And sadly US politics has become absolutely infected by them. The damage one man can do to the structure of democracy is staggering.Nigelb said:Trump is beyond a disgrace.
This is a flat out lie. We’re working with all partners around the clock to get help to people. Trump’s lies and conspiracy theories have hurt the morale of first responders and people who lost everything, helped scam artists and put government and rescue workers in danger. - RC
https://x.com/NC_Governor/status/18448133877648303514 -
Ditto. I knew someone who worked in his stables and he told us stories about his behaviour towards women. I'm guessing late 90s. It is difficult to believe nobody blew the whistle.WhisperingOracle said:
I knew someone that worked in Harrods in the 'nineties.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
I remember him telling me a story all the way back then that struck me as very at odds with his public image.
He told me that all the young school-leavers who had got jobs there lived in absolute terror of him, because he was known to very regularly sack people on the spot for having their tie very, very fractionally askew, or the slightest spot of dirt on their shoes. He would do regular bullying "tours" of the building, I distinctly remember him saying.0 -
Or perhaps an engineer from Sussex Uni?HYUFD said:
Historians and lawyers all the way thenrottenborough said:
Seems there is v little E in the PPE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
Anyone who does this degree at Oxford should be banned from public office.0 -
The Gibraltans - like the Falkland Islanders - had referendums on remaining British.SonofContrarian said:I'm not sure why we should hang onto Gibraltar when it's clearly a colonial possession, like Hong Kong was..🧐
The people of Hong Kong never did. So it's difficult to know exactly what they would have chosen, had they been given a choice.2 -
The more you know about CCS, the more obviously stupid it is. (Unless you have an existing concrete plant right by a modern CCGT, when it *might* make economic sense.)Richard_Tyndall said:
I am not a PB Tory but yes Labour - or at least Miliband - are doing their very best to kill off the North Sea.RandallFlagg said:
In thrall to big oil? I thought Labour was killing the North Sea according to PB Tories. Make your mind up.MarqueeMark said:
Very poorly thought out, shows Labour in thrawl to big oil.RandallFlagg said:
1) Pretty crucial if we are serious about net zero (particularly industries who need natural gas and can't find an alternative)MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.
2) It's over 25 years
3) Can't find much evidence of a public outcry outside the usual suspects (e.g partisan Tories, anti-woke grifters).
Jumped within weeks of getting power, when there should have been far more consideration of our energy policy for the next 25 years.
2/10
How are glass production companies, for instance, going to decarbonise without CCUS by the way?
And the basic problem is CCS doesn't work. At least not with current or planned technology.5 -
Chemtrail conspiracy theorists have sometimes picketed the Met Office. Should they be considered potentially dangerous?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/11/meteorologists-death-threats-hurricane-conspiracies-misinformation
It feels like the Enlightenment is dying, drowned under a tidal wave of bullshit. Which, apparently, Huxley was worried about.
“Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us, Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.”2 -
Epicurius was very clear that the best and most important thing about a meal is the company that you eat it with. A bad meal in good company beats a good meal in poor company.Cookie said:
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.7 -
One for @SeaShantyIrish2
Trump: and I will invoke the aliens enemy act of 1798. This was put there in 1798. That is a long time ago, right? To target and dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on American soil.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1844842554455621633
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I had a conference there last year. Hated it, to be honest. Couldn't quite put my finger on it for a couple of days, then realised that - in my part, from new street northwards - there were no trees, bushes, green spaces, just endless urban space. That was the issue, I think.Foxy said:
I quite like Brum. It has never been fashionable with the intellectual elite. It's a gritty city where there's muck and brass, hence when someone wants to have a crass neauvou riche character to laugh at they make them a Brummy, as per Harry Enfield.Gardenwalker said:
Like all second tier British cities, it suffers from a fatal lack of local autonomy and therefore investment.carnforth said:
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.
But even by British standards, it’s a bit shit.
Not sure what the urban version of “rizz” is, but Birmingham doesn’t have much of it. Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool are all better.
It's a great and dynamic city. The British city most like America in its contempt for intellectual pretension and its social mobility.
The city demolishes and re-dos its centre a few times each century and sometimes gets it right.
I was there last week for a research meeting. It's a great city for people who want to give two fingers to English snobs,0 -
An expensive Daily Mail. I would in no way give it 'upmarket'. It really is quite fruit-loop. Even their podcasts are almost incomprehensible and I'd imagine those are where 'the talent' has most freedom.WhisperingOracle said:
Well, it hasn't really been a serious newspaper for about 15 years.Fairliered said:
I remember when the Telegraph was a reasonable newspaper. I didn’t realise it had been taken over by the Daily Star.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
It's essentially an upmarket Daily Mail, as the Guardian also becomes more tabloids and click-bait-ish, too.0 -
You have swerved my question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea what you are talking about but certainly, as much as I critise Starmer and his wife for accepting clothes and dresses, I am not someone who thinks it is acceptable to demean her with schoolboy tittersMexicanpete said:
Why were you not quite so outraged at Lady Bamford feeding Prime Minister Johnson and his family via multiple exclusive mail order grocery deliveries?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I just find it distasteful, and the criticism was directed to dresses she wore given to her by AlliOldKingCole said:
Must be dreadfully embarrassing for the poor woman. I wonder if her husband gets a regular earful about it.Anabobazina said:
No wonder they kept repeating it all day… and all night.Mexicanpete said:
Are you still here?Anabobazina said:
I’ll survive! (What in the holy name of Aphrodite is Victoriassecretgate?)Mexicanpete said:...
This is a Conservative blog and you are quite rightly all piling into the Commies.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I always think it shows a weakness when a poster apologises for an error but then some still seem to delight in ignoring itAnabobazina said:
No, Torpedogate was a veritable flesh wound compared with RAFgate... one speaks only of the latter in hushed tones. It is simply not suitable for a family forum.Gardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
I corrected my mistake about taking down the ballistic missiles and replicated the Ministry of Defence statement tha RAF planes were involved in the action that night
Pity we are not all perfect but can correct our errors
In over 62,000 posts I have erred on occasions but try to convey accurate information often accompanied by quotes from Sky, Guardian, Independent and others
BigG. you have been like a terrier in calling out the most egregious corruption of the last decade. Currygate, Goonergate, Glassesgate, Victoria'ssecretgate, RAFgate, Angie'shousegate and Torpedogate, to name but a few.
Anabob you are not playing nicely on BigG's gates. "Go, walk out the door,...you're not welcome anymore". It's all going a bit Correct Horse Battery with everyone piling in on you, I thought Felix was particularly vicious.
@Anabobazina they have tumbled your game and you need a really flamboyant flounce to go out in style! My anti- PBTory flounce a fortnight ago was a bit shite so I can't offer up any advice
Lady Victoria's pants purchased by Lord Alii. It caused grave concern amongst PB snowflakes.
Which would of course mean that nothing like it EVER happens again.
Hopefully, anyway!
You did not post relentlessly about Johnson's free groceries from Lady Bamford or his holidays or his free accomodation from Lord Bamford after Johnson was tossed out of Downing Street. Maybe that was all good so nothing to report.
Lady Starmer's underwear has been referenced because by media accounts it came courtesy of Lord Alii.1 -
You do know carbon capture is expensive bollocks that will do absolutely fuck all towards net zero? Probably not you seem like a left winger, if the conservatives had proposed it you would say it was bollocks....so would I. Now labour has proposed it you think its not total bollocks even though it isRandallFlagg said:
1) Pretty crucial if we are serious about net zero (particularly industries who need natural gas and can't find an alternative)MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.
2) It's over 25 years
3) Can't find much evidence of a public outcry outside the usual suspects (e.g partisan Tories, anti-woke grifters).2 -
More canals than Venice and more trees than Paris.Selebian said:
I had a conference there last year. Hated it, to be honest. Couldn't quite put my finger on it for a couple of days, then realised that - in my part, from new street northwards - there were no trees, bushes, green spaces, just endless urban space. That was the issue, I think.Foxy said:
I quite like Brum. It has never been fashionable with the intellectual elite. It's a gritty city where there's muck and brass, hence when someone wants to have a crass neauvou riche character to laugh at they make them a Brummy, as per Harry Enfield.Gardenwalker said:
Like all second tier British cities, it suffers from a fatal lack of local autonomy and therefore investment.carnforth said:
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.
But even by British standards, it’s a bit shit.
Not sure what the urban version of “rizz” is, but Birmingham doesn’t have much of it. Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool are all better.
It's a great and dynamic city. The British city most like America in its contempt for intellectual pretension and its social mobility.
The city demolishes and re-dos its centre a few times each century and sometimes gets it right.
I was there last week for a research meeting. It's a great city for people who want to give two fingers to English snobs,
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I often wonder how Epicurus would feel about the word 'Epicurean' - which describes a philosophy, well, if not diametrically opposed to the one he espoused, probably at a good 160 degrees to it.Foxy said:
Epicurius was very clear that the best and most important thing about a meal is the company that you eat it with. A bad meal in good company beats a good meal in poor company.Cookie said:
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.0 -
Even spaghetti junction has a canal and greenery beneath.rottenborough said:
More canals than Venice and more trees than Paris.Selebian said:
I had a conference there last year. Hated it, to be honest. Couldn't quite put my finger on it for a couple of days, then realised that - in my part, from new street northwards - there were no trees, bushes, green spaces, just endless urban space. That was the issue, I think.Foxy said:
I quite like Brum. It has never been fashionable with the intellectual elite. It's a gritty city where there's muck and brass, hence when someone wants to have a crass neauvou riche character to laugh at they make them a Brummy, as per Harry Enfield.Gardenwalker said:
Like all second tier British cities, it suffers from a fatal lack of local autonomy and therefore investment.carnforth said:
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.
But even by British standards, it’s a bit shit.
Not sure what the urban version of “rizz” is, but Birmingham doesn’t have much of it. Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool are all better.
It's a great and dynamic city. The British city most like America in its contempt for intellectual pretension and its social mobility.
The city demolishes and re-dos its centre a few times each century and sometimes gets it right.
I was there last week for a research meeting. It's a great city for people who want to give two fingers to English snobs,0 -
Certainly so. His philosophy is far more interesting than gastronomy.Cookie said:
I often wonder how Epicurus would feel about the word 'Epicurean' - which describes a philosophy, well, if not diametrically opposed to the one he espoused, probably at a good 160 degrees to it.Foxy said:
Epicurius was very clear that the best and most important thing about a meal is the company that you eat it with. A bad meal in good company beats a good meal in poor company.Cookie said:
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.0 -
Some of you may remember the "child who identifies as a wolf" five-minute-saga. According to the Skeptic, the truth is somewhat sadder...
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2024/10/the-child-identifies-as-wolf-story-was-only-ever-about-bullying-not-species-confusion/1 -
Clicked on a YouTube music video.
Treated to a CHRISTMAS advert.
F*ck off.
It is mid October.
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Which is why I always prefer to eat alone.Foxy said:
Epicurius was very clear that the best and most important thing about a meal is the company that you eat it with. A bad meal in good company beats a good meal in poor company.Cookie said:
I think you must be right - she's just not very good at cooking.Anabobazina said:
Clickbait. This poor woman doesn’t like food, cannot cook, and knows nothing about the immaculate pairing of good rib with great claret.Andy_JS said:Couldn't disagree more with this.
"Zoe Strimpel
Admit it, roast dinners are bad
They depress both body and spirit"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-roast-dinners-are-bad/
Sunday lunch when done properly lifts the tired last day of the weekend into a joy. Sundays, and Sunday lunch, are difficult to get right though.
Because a bad roast dinner is a sad thing indeed. And that picture is depressing.
I used to occasionally visit a family who always did Sunday lunch. And were terrible at it. The vegetables were tasteless, overdone and cold by the time the meat was ready. The meat was tough. The gravy was bisto. It was all very lamentable. And yet even amongst this sad travesty of food everyone had a very nice time.
In fact it seems to be the case that the sadder the roast, the greater the enthusiasm for the concept among the participants. Just look ath the popularity of the concept of the pub carvery.3 -
I agree with most of it, but his reasons for hot tub hate aren't very 'u' in my opinion. Germaphobia is not an upper class trait - it's very middle class to be prissy about such things. If you're upper class you should positively adore blood, mud, feathers and death, and shouldn't be at all squeamish about jumping in a hot tub. In my limited knowledge and opinion on the topic.Nigelb said:
I thought U and non-U were from the 'good old days'.MarqueeMark said:
Why does anybody bother creating wank like this? In the good old days of Fleet Street, they would have refused to set the type...Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
Wank isn't new.
I do think hot tubs probably are rather common, but not for reasons of hygiene.1 -
Endless grotesque incompetence
How can they be this bad?
“NEW: Downing St source tells me Louise Haigh's comments about boycotting P&O "don't reflect the government view" - Comes as P&O parent company DP World pull a £1bn investment after her comments”
https://x.com/alifortescue/status/1844767271031390223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
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I think I may have made an ill-judged joke about this, which I now feel somewhat bad about.viewcode said:Some of you may remember the "child who identifies as a wolf" five-minute-saga. According to the Skeptic, the truth is somewhat sadder...
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2024/10/the-child-identifies-as-wolf-story-was-only-ever-about-bullying-not-species-confusion/1 -
The Brexit Wars caused a lot of damage to the Tories by driving out a lot of people, and making Brexit purity the metric by which new candidates were chosen. A similar sort of thing did damage to Labour while Corbyn was leader.Leon said:Endless grotesque incompetence
How can they be this bad?
“NEW: Downing St source tells me Louise Haigh's comments about boycotting P&O "don't reflect the government view" - Comes as P&O parent company DP World pull a £1bn investment after her comments”
https://x.com/alifortescue/status/1844767271031390223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Both main parties are weaker than normal at the moment.2 -
Harris/Walz are trying to appeal to men with cringey ads like this:
https://x.com/joshwalkos/status/18445603113589925802 -
They can't really be this rubbish at government can they?Leon said:Endless grotesque incompetence
How can they be this bad?
“NEW: Downing St source tells me Louise Haigh's comments about boycotting P&O "don't reflect the government view" - Comes as P&O parent company DP World pull a £1bn investment after her comments”
https://x.com/alifortescue/status/1844767271031390223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw1 -
A good example of the madness of DEI in America:
https://x.com/civilrights/status/1844780797204513144
The Justice Department filed a lawsuit today against the City of South Bend, Indiana, alleging that the hiring process for entry-level police officers at the South Bend Police Department (SBPD) violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Specifically, the department alleges that South Bend uses a written examination that discriminates against Black applicants and a physical fitness test that discriminates against female applicants.0 -
Make Kemi leader and we'll have years of this shit.LostPassword said:
I think I may have made an ill-judged joke about this, which I now feel somewhat bad about.viewcode said:Some of you may remember the "child who identifies as a wolf" five-minute-saga. According to the Skeptic, the truth is somewhat sadder...
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2024/10/the-child-identifies-as-wolf-story-was-only-ever-about-bullying-not-species-confusion/1 -
Well you've got Birmingham and Manchester the wrong way around for starters.Anabobazina said:English core cities in order of greatness:
London (but you need to know London)
Manchester
Newcastle
Liverpool
Birmingham
Nottingham
Sheffield
Bristol
Leeds1 -
I think there was a very strong element of the British government not wanting to know the answer to that question.rcs1000 said:
The Gibraltans - like the Falkland Islanders - had referendums on remaining British.SonofContrarian said:I'm not sure why we should hang onto Gibraltar when it's clearly a colonial possession, like Hong Kong was..🧐
The people of Hong Kong never did. So it's difficult to know exactly what they would have chosen, had they been given a choice.2 -
Paddle steamer Waverley paid a visit to Tower Bridge on Friday. Taken from 22 Bishopsgate:
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It's about 25 miles away. Granted they were both in the same county, Warwickshire, but Ted changed all that in 1974.williamglenn said:
There's a great variety of West Midlands accents. Broad Nuneaton is nothing like Brummie.Gardenwalker said:
Suddenly we are suggesting that anti-Brummagist feeling is mere snobbery.Foxy said:
That is English snobbery writ large. It's the first place that I remember living too.Mexicanpete said:
Although when those of us who grew up there open our mouths we sound like blithering idiots. Head and shoulders the most offensive accent in the British Isles.Foxy said:
I quite like Brum. It has never been fashionable with the intellectual elite. It's a gritty city where there's muck and brass, hence when someone wants to have a crass neauvou riche character to laugh at they make them a Brummy, as per Harry Enfield.Gardenwalker said:
Like all second tier British cities, it suffers from a fatal lack of local autonomy and therefore investment.carnforth said:
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.
But even by British standards, it’s a bit shit.
Not sure what the urban version of “rizz” is, but Birmingham doesn’t have much of it. Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool are all better.
It's a great and dynamic city. The British city most like America in its contempt for intellectual pretension and its social mobility.
The city demolishes and re-dos its centre a few times each century and sometimes gets it right.
I was there last week for a research meeting. It's a great city for people who want to give two fingers to English snobs,
People from other regions hold onto their accents, Brummies much less so, also other parts of the Black Country.
It simply isn't fashionable in this country to make your money in manufacturing, unless it is heavy industry like coal and steel whence prolier than thou. It's much more genteel to make your money by course try estates, financial services or best of all inheriting.
Birmingham (and the Black Country) are places where it's nothing to be ashamed of.
No.
I posted that Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow are all better. None precisely have a snooty reputation.
So it is with the accent, for that matter.
It sounds objectively crass, whereas most other regional accents are actually charming.
Have you not listened to the Archers? Borchester is similarly distant from Birmingham and they speak like country bumpkins. And Crossroads was in the middle of Birmingham and Benny spoke like a yokel.1 -
I remember visiting Harrods when I was about 12 and idly picking up a copy of Punch (which Al Fayed must have just bought) near the till. I heard a voice behind me saying "Please do take a copy on the house young Sir" and turning around to see the man himself smiling benignly. It rather spoils the memory to think that he was probably being vile to a load of female workers during that floor walk.WhisperingOracle said:
I knew someone that worked in Harrods in the 'nineties.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
I remember him telling me a story all the way back then that struck me as very at odds with his public image.
He told me that all the young school-leavers who had got jobs there lived in absolute terror of him, because he was known to very regularly sack people on the spot for having their tie very, very fractionally askew, or the slightest spot of dirt on their shoes. He would do regular bullying "tours" of the building, I distinctly remember him saying.2 -
Definitely bollocksPagan2 said:
You do know carbon capture is expensive bollocks that will do absolutely fuck all towards net zero? Probably not you seem like a left winger, if the conservatives had proposed it you would say it was bollocks....so would I. Now labour has proposed it you think its not total bollocks even though it isRandallFlagg said:
1) Pretty crucial if we are serious about net zero (particularly industries who need natural gas and can't find an alternative)MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.
2) It's over 25 years
3) Can't find much evidence of a public outcry outside the usual suspects (e.g partisan Tories, anti-woke grifters).0 -
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20089/parks/405/sutton_parkSelebian said:
I had a conference there last year. Hated it, to be honest. Couldn't quite put my finger on it for a couple of days, then realised that - in my part, from new street northwards - there were no trees, bushes, green spaces, just endless urban space. That was the issue, I think.Foxy said:
I quite like Brum. It has never been fashionable with the intellectual elite. It's a gritty city where there's muck and brass, hence when someone wants to have a crass neauvou riche character to laugh at they make them a Brummy, as per Harry Enfield.Gardenwalker said:
Like all second tier British cities, it suffers from a fatal lack of local autonomy and therefore investment.carnforth said:
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.
But even by British standards, it’s a bit shit.
Not sure what the urban version of “rizz” is, but Birmingham doesn’t have much of it. Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool are all better.
It's a great and dynamic city. The British city most like America in its contempt for intellectual pretension and its social mobility.
The city demolishes and re-dos its centre a few times each century and sometimes gets it right.
I was there last week for a research meeting. It's a great city for people who want to give two fingers to English snobs,
"Sutton Park is a 2,400 acre National Nature Reserve located 6 miles north of the city centre. It’s one of the largest urban parks in Europe and is designated as a Site of Special Scientific Interest.
The park has open heathland, woodlands, seven lakes, wetlands, and marshes - each with its own rich variety of plants and wildlife, some rarely seen in the region. Cattle and wild ponies graze on the land.
Attractions and sports facilities are marked on the Sutton Park map.
Sutton Park has been designated as a National Nature Reserve, a Scheduled Ancient Monument and a Site of Special Scientific Interest."0 -
Good for the DOJ.williamglenn said:A good example of the madness of DEI in America:
https://x.com/civilrights/status/1844780797204513144
The Justice Department filed a lawsuit today against the City of South Bend, Indiana, alleging that the hiring process for entry-level police officers at the South Bend Police Department (SBPD) violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Specifically, the department alleges that South Bend uses a written examination that discriminates against Black applicants and a physical fitness test that discriminates against female applicants.
Far too many American Police forces, unlike in this country, massively discriminate against black people and females. If that's embedded from the recruitment stage onwards, that absolutely should be abolished.2 -
PA moves to "even" with 538.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/1 -
The timing is a bit suspicious.BartholomewRoberts said:
Good for the DOJ.williamglenn said:A good example of the madness of DEI in America:
https://x.com/civilrights/status/1844780797204513144
The Justice Department filed a lawsuit today against the City of South Bend, Indiana, alleging that the hiring process for entry-level police officers at the South Bend Police Department (SBPD) violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Specifically, the department alleges that South Bend uses a written examination that discriminates against Black applicants and a physical fitness test that discriminates against female applicants.
Far too many American Police forces, unlike in this country, massively discriminate against black people and females. If that's embedded from the recruitment stage onwards, that absolutely should be abolished.1 -
AN Wilson.
"Nearly all journalism is created, if not by actual robots, then by people who are so incapable of original thought or expression that they might as well be scripted by ChatGPT."
https://www.theoldie.co.uk/blog/fleet-street-is-full-of-robots1 -
It's an interesting question, and should perhaps be part of an inquiry by itself. I'm guessing judicious amounts of money protected him, along with threats: "Take this £whatever or you'll lose your job." And when the allegations did make it to the police, judicious handouts to them as well. Oh, and I would not be surprised if physical threats occurred as well.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
The questions should be widened to those around him, and would certainly have known what was going on; the PAs, advisers and bodyguards.1 -
Starts as a diatribe against AI. Pivots a quarter of the way in to a diatribe against woke and stays there. Does not understand anything about AI at all and did not bother to find out. The essay is an example of the phenomenon it claims to excoriate.Andy_JS said:AN Wilson.
"Nearly all journalism is created, if not by actual robots, then by people who are so incapable of original thought or expression that they might as well be scripted by ChatGPT."
https://www.theoldie.co.uk/blog/fleet-street-is-full-of-robots4 -
@Andy_JS , if you want "original journalism", may I 'umbly suggest the following: 😎
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This is very common.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
He'd have had lots of people in authority and influence coming out to bat for him on the airwaves, and his lawyers and money would have descended in seconds to silence anyone who spoke.
There are lots of examples of people in power where strong rumours abound but going public and changing the public narrative around them is extremely high risk.2 -
They'd probably have voted 50% British, 25% independent and 25% China, I think.rcs1000 said:
The Gibraltans - like the Falkland Islanders - had referendums on remaining British.SonofContrarian said:I'm not sure why we should hang onto Gibraltar when it's clearly a colonial possession, like Hong Kong was..🧐
The people of Hong Kong never did. So it's difficult to know exactly what they would have chosen, had they been given a choice.1 -
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.0 -
How do you derive the probability of a win from a poll? This stack exchange session attempts to answer that question:
https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/274211/calculating-the-probability-of-someone-winning-from-a-poll
An example of the first answer would be if Trump was 49%, Harris was 48%, and "others" were 3%, (49+48+3=100) then the probability of Trump winning the state is 49/100.
I understand the math (grimaces nervously: can't sleep and head is fuzzy) but I'm not sure and it's not the way I'd have worked it out via means and variances. If anybody can confirm the math I'd be grateful.0 -
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.1 -
How the Bobby J campaign made a mug out of the Cleverly team
https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1844825002249535880?s=610 -
Hanson is an arse. He’s not exactly upper class himself and is one of those people who think that by adopting airs and graces and etiquette that he thinks are followed by the upper classes people will think he is upper class. Clearly he doesn’t get that the real upper classes are hammering their gin and tonics. Will use whichever knife is clean to eat their fish and don’t give a fig about silly rules like this.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.
Today however there will be a load of insecure weirdos binning their trainers, cancelling their portrait purchases and hissing at GBBO.
And who ever thought tie clips were anything but naff anyway?
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He's right though. And your reaction is the typically defensive one of one who recognises the list largely applies to them.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.
Class is the thing we love to hate in this country, but everyone is steeped in it.0 -
I think Hanson is a faux-wannabe and a bit of a prat, and you're right he's an imitator- making those sorts of list alone is unclassy- but it largely rings true.boulay said:
Hanson is an arse. He’s not exactly upper class himself and is one of those people who think that by adopting airs and graces and etiquette that he thinks are followed by the upper classes people will think he is upper class. Clearly he doesn’t get that the real upper classes are hammering their gin and tonics. Will use whichever knife is clean to eat their fish and don’t give a fig about silly rules like this.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.
Today however there will be a load of insecure weirdos binning their trainers, cancelling their portrait purchases and hissing at GBBO.
And who ever thought tie clips were anything but naff anyway?
I'd say he's middle-class desperately wanting to appear upper-class.
Those on his list will either be aspirational working class, and proud of it, or lower middle-class horrified they might be associated with the same, and will thus turn their guns on Hanson.0 -
Having done it, I'd say the problem is more that the E is horribly out of date, and based more on neat theory than messy reality. I can quite imagine Truss's tutor suggesting something like the mini-budget as a theoretical exercise in how to generate growth.rottenborough said:
Seems there is v little E in the PPE.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Liz Truss did PPE, qualified as a management accountant and was economic director of C&W, whatever that means.rottenborough said:
Brown has a PhD in history I believe. Something about history of Lab in scotland.HYUFD said:
Even more Rishi who has a 1st class degree in PPE focusing on Economics and actually practised it in the City with Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund not just writing research papers on Marxist economics.WhisperingOracle said:
Gordon Brown, who I think has a PhD in Economics, as I remember it.ydoethur said:
Has any Prime Minister, other than Harold Wilson, ever actually known anything about economics?rottenborough said:
First Lord of the Treasury.kle4 said:
Many PMs have disavowed (through 'leaks' to press)unpopular budget measures , essentially claiming it was nowt to do with them.rottenborough said:
"his Budget"??Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer to pledge billions for transport, schools and hospitals budgets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/11/starmer-to-pledge-billions-for-transport-schools-and-hospitals-in-budget?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Does Reeves know about this budget?
It's always a complete lie, so a PM owning a budget more would be progress.
Who in this case knows nothing about economics.
I know several others had PPE degrees but that's not quite the same thing.
Thatcher also read Hayek and had top monetarist economists on her team
I see Rishi as a financial engineer rather than economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
Anyone who does this degree at Oxford should be banned from public office.0 -
From what I understand, add hired thugs to lawyers and money.Casino_Royale said:
This is very common.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
He'd have had lots of people in authority and influence coming out to bat for him on the airwaves, and his lawyers and money would have descended in seconds to silence anyone who spoke.
There are lots of examples of people in power where strong rumours abound but going public and changing the public narrative around them is extremely high risk.
ETA: wasn't his chief of security at Harrods ex-police and with lots of contacts and influence still in the police?0 -
Salted caramel is ace, and I don't care.2
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I think four of that list apply to me (2, 3, 11 and 14). And trainers is an odd one, because I do lots of running and finding shoes that don't hurt me is rather difficult. So no, you're wrong.Casino_Royale said:
He's right though. And your reaction is the typically defensive one of one who recognises the list largely applies to them.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.
Class is the thing we love to hate in this country, but everyone is steeped in it.
I could throw your first line right back at you, and say that you like the list as you *think* it doesn't apply to you, and therefore you can look down at such people.
I agree with your last line. I recognise class; and quite like it. It's just that I met upper-class people who are sh*ts, and those who are brilliant. And working-class people who are sh*ts, and those who are brilliant. Ditto middle class. Class is largely irrelevant except to those who think it matters. And they're often the biggest sh*ts, whatever class they are.0 -
This Budget - and the endless speculation and indeterminate period they've spent deliberating on it - has caused real economic damage.
My firm and all of our competitors and rivals have paused all investing, pending the outcome of it, and that goes for private investors in almost all our major projects as well.
Crass incompetence.4 -
Morning PB, hope everyone is well.
I was wondering if somebody who knows more about accounting than me could give some guidance on a few questions - not advice!
1) I believe all businesses whose turnover exceeds the VAT threshold have to register for VAT whether they charge it or not. Does that apply to charities?
2) If not, what current additional procedures do they have to go through for accounting and audit?
3) How long does it actually take to set up VAT registration for a medium-sized concern with a turnover of say £3-4 million?
If anybody does know the answers to those I’d be grateful.0 -
There's a distinction to be made between those who knew and said nothing (which would be a lot of people) and those who actively colluded (a still significant number, I'd guess). It's the latter that the Police should now go after.maxh said:
From what I understand, add hired thugs to lawyers and money.Casino_Royale said:
This is very common.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
He'd have had lots of people in authority and influence coming out to bat for him on the airwaves, and his lawyers and money would have descended in seconds to silence anyone who spoke.
There are lots of examples of people in power where strong rumours abound but going public and changing the public narrative around them is extremely high risk.1 -
Sadly, I can believe it.maxh said:
From what I understand, add hired thugs to lawyers and money.Casino_Royale said:
This is very common.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
He'd have had lots of people in authority and influence coming out to bat for him on the airwaves, and his lawyers and money would have descended in seconds to silence anyone who spoke.
There are lots of examples of people in power where strong rumours abound but going public and changing the public narrative around them is extremely high risk.
ETA: wasn't his chief of security at Harrods ex-police and with lots of contacts and influence still in the police?
This was clearly known up on high - the fugger was repeatedly refused a passport, and rightly so - but that still doesn't mean anyone would have come out to bat for any woman who'd dared to speak out at the time.0 -
Yes, there's having class (small c) as an individual, and there's social Class (big c).JosiasJessop said:
I think four of that list apply to me (2, 3, 11 and 14). And trainers is an odd one, because I do lots of running and finding shoes that don't hurt me is rather difficult. So no, you're wrong.Casino_Royale said:
He's right though. And your reaction is the typically defensive one of one who recognises the list largely applies to them.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.
Class is the thing we love to hate in this country, but everyone is steeped in it.
I could throw your first line right back at you, and say that you like the list as you *think* it doesn't apply to you, and therefore you can look down at such people.
I agree with your last line. I recognise class; and quite like it. It's just that I met upper-class people who are sh*ts, and those who are brilliant. And working-class people who are sh*ts, and those who are brilliant. Ditto middle class. Class is largely irrelevant except to those who think it matters. And they're often the biggest sh*ts, whatever class they are.
They are two very different things.1 -
Good morning everyone.
Unilever pulls out of Russia:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/unilever-completes-sale-russian-business-2024-10-10/
(I wonder if they still get licence revenue.)1 -
I wear tie clips most days, not as jewelry but rather for practicality as I do not want my tie and ID lanyard falling on patients when I am examining them.boulay said:
Hanson is an arse. He’s not exactly upper class himself and is one of those people who think that by adopting airs and graces and etiquette that he thinks are followed by the upper classes people will think he is upper class. Clearly he doesn’t get that the real upper classes are hammering their gin and tonics. Will use whichever knife is clean to eat their fish and don’t give a fig about silly rules like this.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, it's a list produced by someone who has just put on things that *he* thinks are a bit unclassy. I'd love to go around William Hanson's gaff and judge him by my high standards.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I recognise that list. It's very British. Aspirational working class. Except whoever is selling or buying a house is going to use Rightmove unless they have a personal agent or money is no object.Andy_JS said:"The 16 telltale signs you’re more common than you think – according to an etiquette expert
After Lady Glenconner’s pronouncement that fish knives are for the unrefined, we asked William Hanson what else is par for the coarse
1. Tie clips
2. Liquid soap
3. Eating on the street
4. Holding a knife like a pen
5. Mounted televisions
6. Applying make-up in public
7. Gin and tonic
8. Prosecco in lieu of champagne
9. Eating on the Tube
10. Personalised number plates
11. Zoopla and Rightmove
12. Hot tubs
13. The Great British Bake Off
14. Trainers (in particular, Adidas)
15. Buying portraits
16. Salted caramel"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/the-16-telltale-signs-you-are-more-common-than-you-think/
The odd one is (7) as Colonial Administrators and well-to-do ex-pats would drink that extensively.
Maybe it's about all the new naff flavoured gins.
It's a bit like the person on Twix who's producing a list of c**ts that is just a list of his personal dislikes.
Besides, IMO class is best shown by how you act, not these stupid things.
Today however there will be a load of insecure weirdos binning their trainers, cancelling their portrait purchases and hissing at GBBO.
And who ever thought tie clips were anything but naff anyway?
1 -
As I said below, go after the PAs, advisers and bodyguards. There are a lot of them, and there *will* be some paper/electronic trails.ThomasNashe said:
There's a distinction to be made between those who knew and said nothing (which would be a lot of people) and those who actively colluded (a still significant number, I'd guess). It's the latter that the Police should now go after.maxh said:
From what I understand, add hired thugs to lawyers and money.Casino_Royale said:
This is very common.Andy_JS said:
It's shocking that most people didn't feel able to report anything while he was alive.Nigelb said:The Al Fayed story grows more vile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o
He'd have had lots of people in authority and influence coming out to bat for him on the airwaves, and his lawyers and money would have descended in seconds to silence anyone who spoke.
There are lots of examples of people in power where strong rumours abound but going public and changing the public narrative around them is extremely high risk.1
