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It annoys me. I don't like being defeated, despite years of practice. It tasks me. I'm very solutions-orientated (surprise!) and I hate the fact of a problem I can't solve.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually growing old is just another phase in life, and as you age you realise that you cannot do as you did, as in my case no more foreign travel, regular hospital visits (that I am grateful for), and even now using a stick but you are still alive when many of your peers are not and you just say a silent prayer of gratitude for all your blessingsviewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
The science-fiction author Christopher Priest once wrote a short story called "Inverted World" (distinct from his novel of the same name), an adventure set in an Earth transposed to a non-Euclidean universe, where the only points of gravitational stability were stable even though the earth was moving, which meant that every city had to move constantly East to West to stay alive, building bridges to cross rivers as they went. The short story deals with [spoilers] how they cope when they arrive at the Portuguese coast and they try to build a bridge across the Atlantic...
I hate the fact that the Atlantic coast is approaching...
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Working class and bigots are not synonyms.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed
As much as some people wish to pretend they are.4 -
GB News are doing leaders debate I believe.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree, could get a bit tasty.Anabobazina said:Is there going to be a TV debate between Kemi and JENRICK?
Might be entertaining.0 -
He said (privately, as he thought) to a colleague that she was a bigoted woman. Which she was. He didn't stand up on the Six O'Clock News and declare it to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed1 -
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer4 -
Incompetent from the start.. unlikely to change. There are some pretty nasty people in the Labour Party who will cause trouble... just as there were nasty Tories in the last Govt.2
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No the ears and nose grow the full length of the life.Leon said:
Isn’t that an optical illusion because it’s actually your head shrinking and the ears stay the same?kinabalu said:
Your ears will start to get bigger once you're past 70. Don't know how you feel about that.Leon said:
Yeah I’m still quite fit and healthy so I should stop whining. I’ve got friends my age already dead or dying (to be cheerful)viewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
It’s just that I drift through life pretending I look “ohh about 43” (which I did well into my 50s). And then occasionally I get a reminder of reality. Like a passport photo
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Arf. Fair point.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer0 -
The six o'clock news did though and the media revelled in their gotcha momentAnabobazina said:
He said (privately, as he thought) to a colleague that she was a bigoted woman. Which she was. He didn't stand up on the Six O'Clock News and declare it to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed0 -
And that was Brown's fault... how?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The six o'clock news did though and the media revelled in their gotcha momentAnabobazina said:
He said (privately, as he thought) to a colleague that she was a bigoted woman. Which she was. He didn't stand up on the Six O'Clock News and declare it to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed0 -
I will not watch as I do not watch GB newsrottenborough said:
GB News are doing leaders debate I believe.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree, could get a bit tasty.Anabobazina said:Is there going to be a TV debate between Kemi and JENRICK?
Might be entertaining.1 -
Brown was an Idiot despite some on here who thought he was a genius cf Jonathan...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed0 -
He said itAnabobazina said:
And that was Brown's fault... how?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The six o'clock news did though and the media revelled in their gotcha momentAnabobazina said:
He said (privately, as he thought) to a colleague that she was a bigoted woman. Which she was. He didn't stand up on the Six O'Clock News and declare it to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed2 -
Mrs Duffy was a long-standing Rochdale resident who had watched the town population change enormously over her later years. People like her need sympathy and major efforts towards re-education on both sides.Anabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed2 -
Your..er..downstairs ears as well I’m told.kinabalu said:
Your ears will start to get bigger once you're past 70. Don't know how you feel about that.Leon said:
Yeah I’m still quite fit and healthy so I should stop whining. I’ve got friends my age already dead or dying (to be cheerful)viewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
It’s just that I drift through life pretending I look “ohh about 43” (which I did well into my 50s). And then occasionally I get a reminder of reality. Like a passport photo
A button mushroom with a dried out old baseball mitt hanging from it as it was described to me.0 -
Two other observations on that polling.
One is that most of the government's actions have been more popular than unpopular. And the big negative- the prison releases- was pretty much inevitable, even if the riots hadn't happened. The problem seems to be that there haven't been enough government actions. That really ought to be fixable, which is not to say that it will be.
The other is the partisan split on the got better/got worse question. It's telling us something, but are RefCon voters really experiencing reality as worse since July?0 -
Well yes, but he didn't say it publicly. I'm sure you have been critical of others in private conversations, we all have.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said itAnabobazina said:
And that was Brown's fault... how?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The six o'clock news did though and the media revelled in their gotcha momentAnabobazina said:
He said (privately, as he thought) to a colleague that she was a bigoted woman. Which she was. He didn't stand up on the Six O'Clock News and declare it to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed0 -
viewcode said:
This YouTube details why common facial techniques (fillers, Botox, thread lifts, partial lifts) don't work once you go past 50 since the 50-plus problems are caused by muscle weakness and collagen-poor skin sagging, which those techniques don't address or have bad failure ratesLeon said:
Yeah I’m still quite fit and healthy so I should stop whining. I’ve got friends my age already dead or dying (to be cheerful)viewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
It’s just that I drift through life pretending I look “ohh about 43” (which I did well into my 50s). And then occasionally I get a reminder of reality. Like a passport photo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUWJR72eIPI
Ones that still work for men your age would be hair transplants, skin resurfacing, upper and lower blepharoplasties and full deep-plane facelifts that address the face and neck. You will also want to consider liposuction around the waist. If you do Ozempic pair it with exercise to minimise skin sagging: what you have doesn't snap back any more. Stop taking drugs (I know, I know, but you aren't 17 any more). Get your pancreas checked: if you develop diabetes you won't heal any more and that really messes you up.
Swimming weekly is always good advice.
You have the money and time and health to do these things and you will be grateful for it at 70.
Where are you getting this nonsense from?0 -
Agree that there are reasons for her becoming bigoted. But a bigot she was.OldKingCole said:
Mrs Duffy was a long-standing Rochdale resident who had watched the town population change enormously over her later years. People like her need sympathy and major efforts towards re-education on both sides.Anabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed0 -
Yes. If they're able to get a hold on things that are important to the public, all this shaky start will be long-forgotten well before the next GE.Taz said:
I voted labour, I feel a little let down. I absolutely believed the ‘ready for govt’ line they span. In reality it was on a par with the ‘oven ready deal’ lone.Gardenwalker said:Labour rampers continue to cling on to the Budget, but in truth, Reeves has little option but to raise taxes *somewhere*, and the subsequent squealing is hardly going to restore Labour popularity.
In any case, the job of the Budget is not to make the government popular.
Starmer has simply failed to push out a vision.
That’s what Britain sorely lacks.
I’m hoping the budget steadies the ship but it is misstep after misstep.
They still have time to turn it around.2 -
If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us1 -
In a choice between DP and its potential investment and the Transport Secretary Number 10 throws Louise Haigh under the bus.
Still, she still has the engagement on social media to comfort her.
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Yes this is what I don't understand, the budget won't help make Labour more popular. Again, what bothers me is that they've done no homework and not prepared the ground at all before the election. Labour came in and the first thing they did was give in to the unions, it has set the scene for voters realising (correctly or incorrectly) that they haven't changed and the next 5 years will be spent paying ever more tax to pay for a bigger and bigger state.Gardenwalker said:Labour rampers continue to cling on to the Budget, but in truth, Reeves has little option but to raise taxes *somewhere*, and the subsequent squealing is hardly going to restore Labour popularity.
In any case, the job of the Budget is not to make the government popular.
Starmer has simply failed to push out a vision.
That’s what Britain sorely lacks.3 -
This is the momentAnabobazina said:
Well yes, but he didn't say it publicly. I'm sure you have been critical of others in private conversations, we all have.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said itAnabobazina said:
And that was Brown's fault... how?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The six o'clock news did though and the media revelled in their gotcha momentAnabobazina said:
He said (privately, as he thought) to a colleague that she was a bigoted woman. Which she was. He didn't stand up on the Six O'Clock News and declare it to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Insulting the working class live on TV is OK thenAnabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed
https://youtu.be/jFl_evwML2M?si=f49vpptGZIl9sOLq0 -
There's no uniform standard of bigotry, so you can't say that with anything like confidence. My recollection is that she was just giving a factual report. And given that it was Rochdale, and we now know what was happening there, potentially she was showing enormous restraint.Anabobazina said:
Agree that there are reasons for her becoming bigoted. But a bigot she was.OldKingCole said:
Mrs Duffy was a long-standing Rochdale resident who had watched the town population change enormously over her later years. People like her need sympathy and major efforts towards re-education on both sides.Anabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed3 -
There is the small issue here that they make one of the migrants drive the boatRichard_Tyndall said:
It will drop naturally from this point forward because of us getting into the stormy season. Labour will hope that they will be able to effectively use the breathing space to change the narrative - either through some effectove action to stop the crossings or through changing people's perceptions of the crossing. They have about 6 months to do this.bondegezou said:
We haven't even had one day with 1000+ people crossing yet. We did have close to 1000 one day, but numbers are down on average, and the government aren't banging on about the issue all the time. I think its saliency will drop.MaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
If I were advising them I would suggest a number of things.
1. Have an effective asylum system in place in France. Properly manned and located at the actual ports rather than in Paris. STart showingsome asylum seekers being granted asylum and let into the country doing it properly rather than risking the crossing.
2. Reverse May's idiotic decision to include students in the net migration figures.
3. Spend some serious time and money explaining how immigration is necessary and helps the country rather than pandering to the Reform/Tory vote. Change the narrative on immigration whilst exhibting proper control over the numbers (note this is very different to necessariy reducing net migration). Make it clear that those entering the country legally are doing it at the Country's invitation because we want them rather than making it seem like it is something over which we have no control.
4. Do to the people smugglers what they did to the rioters. Heavy and hard. And advertise that fact just as they did with the rioters. Gross negligent manslaughter carries a maximum of life imprisonment so anyone driving a boat where people die is charged with that.0 -
Ear hairs seem to grow at a rapid rate once you pass 50.Luckyguy1983 said:
No the ears and nose grow the full length of the life.Leon said:
Isn’t that an optical illusion because it’s actually your head shrinking and the ears stay the same?kinabalu said:
Your ears will start to get bigger once you're past 70. Don't know how you feel about that.Leon said:
Yeah I’m still quite fit and healthy so I should stop whining. I’ve got friends my age already dead or dying (to be cheerful)viewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
It’s just that I drift through life pretending I look “ohh about 43” (which I did well into my 50s). And then occasionally I get a reminder of reality. Like a passport photo
Still not exactly wonderful0 -
You didn't. You're far too right wing on every level to be able to do that. You'd have been betraying your deepest beliefs.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
No, you're just saying you did for the following reasons: 1. So you don’t look like a loser. 2. To try and taint the landslide.
But it's not really working. Not with me anyway.
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The last time a Tory was elected in Camden Town was probably at this 1937 by-election.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_St_Pancras_North_by-election1 -
Don't worry. If Starmer panics and clamps down on immigration completely I'm sure he's capable of killing London's energy too.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us0 -
Camden has some slight chance of being nice.Andy_JS said:
The last time a Tory was elected in Camden Town was probably at this 1937 by-election.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_St_Pancras_North_by-election
I think there was a Waitrose and then it retreated.
Just bomb, very heavily, all of it, and then rebuild - it could be nice.0 -
“Taint the landslide”. My god - you really do believe thiskinabalu said:
You didn't. You're far too right wing on every level to be able to do that. You'd have been betraying your deepest beliefs.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
No, you're just saying you did for the following reasons: 1. So you don’t look like a loser. 2. To try and taint the landslide.
But it's not really working. Not with me anyway.
One more time. I voted in hope rather than expectation. No way I was voting Tory after that shit show - and 1m migrants a year
I was tempted by Reform but then Farage made that apparently pro-Putin remark and I thought Ugh
Lib Dems and greens lol
So I thought: why not give Labour one chance. In the hope - against all the evidence - that they actually will be good and they’ve secretly got some brilliant ideas. If they are to enact great reforms they will need a large majority. So be it
I expected to be disappointed. My expectations have been overwhelmingly fulfilled
There. That’s the last time I’ll explain it. And it’s also the last and only time I will ever vote Labour0 -
Not been good polling in swing states this week for Harris. Looking pretty bleak frankly.
Aditya Chakrabortty looks at why these voters don't feel the economy is working for them and why they will vote Trump 2.0
"I checked in on Mike Stout. We first talked in a diner in Pittsburgh in 2012, the year Obama won re-election. Mike and his wife, Steffi, had worked in Pennsylvania’s steel industry, with good union pay and pensions.
Life for the Stouts has been frozen for years. At the root of democratic capitalism is an old promise: tomorrow will be better than today. But that promise was broken long ago for Mike’s family and many of his friends’ households, too. He knew plenty of former steelworkers in this swing state who next month would vote Trump. Sure he was a liar, “but at least he lies to their faces, rather than ignoring them”."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/10/kamala-harris-presidential-election-us-economy-wages1 -
Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls1 -
Nah. It’s beautiful in its own gritty fucked up post-industrial way. You step over the fent addicts, attracted by the throbbing energy of it allOmnium said:
Camden has some slight chance of being nice.Andy_JS said:
The last time a Tory was elected in Camden Town was probably at this 1937 by-election.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_St_Pancras_North_by-election
I think there was a Waitrose and then it retreated.
Just bomb, very heavily, all of it, and then rebuild - it could be nice.
And then you get quiet moments when suddenly the crowds thin - for a moment - this is just now
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Look. I agree Labour have been a shitshow so far, apart from locking up rioters very quickly and throwing away the key, but it is a tad early to just write this government off.Leon said:
“Taint the landslide”. My god - you really do believe thiskinabalu said:
You didn't. You're far too right wing on every level to be able to do that. You'd have been betraying your deepest beliefs.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
No, you're just saying you did for the following reasons: 1. So you don’t look like a loser. 2. To try and taint the landslide.
But it's not really working. Not with me anyway.
One more time. I voted in hope rather than expectation. No way I was voting Tory after that shit show - and 1m migrants a year
I was tempted by Reform but then Farage made that apparently pro-Putin remark and I thought Ugh
Lib Dems and greens lol
So I thought: why not give Labour one chance. In the hope - against all the evidence - that they actually will be good and they’ve secretly got some brilliant ideas. If they are to enact great reforms they will need a large majority. So be it
I expected to be disappointed. My expectations have been overwhelmingly fulfilled
There. That’s the last time I’ll explain it. And it’s also the last and only time I will ever vote Labour
At least give them a year.
Thatch was in deep shit quite quickly on iirc.
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That is quite vivid. I like button mushrooms but the next one is going to test me.Theuniondivvie said:
Your..er..downstairs ears as well I’m told.kinabalu said:
Your ears will start to get bigger once you're past 70. Don't know how you feel about that.Leon said:
Yeah I’m still quite fit and healthy so I should stop whining. I’ve got friends my age already dead or dying (to be cheerful)viewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
It’s just that I drift through life pretending I look “ohh about 43” (which I did well into my 50s). And then occasionally I get a reminder of reality. Like a passport photo
A button mushroom with a dried out old baseball mitt hanging from it as it was described to me.0 -
Maybe we could just only allow migration into Camden? Keep up Leon's supply of the young and the hot.LostPassword said:
Don't worry. If Starmer panics and clamps down on immigration completely I'm sure he's capable of killing London's energy too.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us0 -
Nope. The Chagos surrender alone is enough for me to loathe them into eternityrottenborough said:
Look. I agree Labour have been a shitshow so far, apart from locking up rioters very quickly and throwing away the key, but it is a tad early to just write this government off.Leon said:
“Taint the landslide”. My god - you really do believe thiskinabalu said:
You didn't. You're far too right wing on every level to be able to do that. You'd have been betraying your deepest beliefs.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
No, you're just saying you did for the following reasons: 1. So you don’t look like a loser. 2. To try and taint the landslide.
But it's not really working. Not with me anyway.
One more time. I voted in hope rather than expectation. No way I was voting Tory after that shit show - and 1m migrants a year
I was tempted by Reform but then Farage made that apparently pro-Putin remark and I thought Ugh
Lib Dems and greens lol
So I thought: why not give Labour one chance. In the hope - against all the evidence - that they actually will be good and they’ve secretly got some brilliant ideas. If they are to enact great reforms they will need a large majority. So be it
I expected to be disappointed. My expectations have been overwhelmingly fulfilled
There. That’s the last time I’ll explain it. And it’s also the last and only time I will ever vote Labour
At least give them a year.
Thatch was in deep shit quite quickly on iirc.
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A reminder once again that Blair and Brown were bloody good.MaxPB said:
Yes this is what I don't understand, the budget won't help make Labour more popular. Again, what bothers me is that they've done no homework and not prepared the ground at all before the election. Labour came in and the first thing they did was give in to the unions, it has set the scene for voters realising (correctly or incorrectly) that they haven't changed and the next 5 years will be spent paying ever more tax to pay for a bigger and bigger state.Gardenwalker said:Labour rampers continue to cling on to the Budget, but in truth, Reeves has little option but to raise taxes *somewhere*, and the subsequent squealing is hardly going to restore Labour popularity.
In any case, the job of the Budget is not to make the government popular.
Starmer has simply failed to push out a vision.
That’s what Britain sorely lacks.
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That's a great snap.Leon said:
Nah. It’s beautiful in its own gritty fucked up post-industrial way. You step over the fent addicts, attracted by the throbbing energy of it allOmnium said:
Camden has some slight chance of being nice.Andy_JS said:
The last time a Tory was elected in Camden Town was probably at this 1937 by-election.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_St_Pancras_North_by-election
I think there was a Waitrose and then it retreated.
Just bomb, very heavily, all of it, and then rebuild - it could be nice.
And then you get quiet moments when suddenly the crowds thin - for a moment - this is just now1 -
A small mail order firm in Cleveland. Where do you get yours from?Luckyguy1983 said:viewcode said:
This YouTube details why common facial techniques (fillers, Botox, thread lifts, partial lifts) don't work once you go past 50 since the 50-plus problems are caused by muscle weakness and collagen-poor skin sagging, which those techniques don't address or have bad failure ratesLeon said:
Yeah I’m still quite fit and healthy so I should stop whining. I’ve got friends my age already dead or dying (to be cheerful)viewcode said:
Just wait until organs stop working. No, not that one, the important ones. No, the important important ones. Oh, never mind...Leon said:Christ I hate getting old
It’s just that I drift through life pretending I look “ohh about 43” (which I did well into my 50s). And then occasionally I get a reminder of reality. Like a passport photo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUWJR72eIPI
Ones that still work for men your age would be hair transplants, skin resurfacing, upper and lower blepharoplasties and full deep-plane facelifts that address the face and neck. You will also want to consider liposuction around the waist. If you do Ozempic pair it with exercise to minimise skin sagging: what you have doesn't snap back any more. Stop taking drugs (I know, I know, but you aren't 17 any more). Get your pancreas checked: if you develop diabetes you won't heal any more and that really messes you up.
Swimming weekly is always good advice.
You have the money and time and health to do these things and you will be grateful for it at 70.
Where are you getting this nonsense from?
OK, I'll bite. Which ones are nonsense?0 -
Or at least, had rather more of a xlue than this lot.rottenborough said:
A reminder once again that Blair and Brown were bloody good.MaxPB said:
Yes this is what I don't understand, the budget won't help make Labour more popular. Again, what bothers me is that they've done no homework and not prepared the ground at all before the election. Labour came in and the first thing they did was give in to the unions, it has set the scene for voters realising (correctly or incorrectly) that they haven't changed and the next 5 years will be spent paying ever more tax to pay for a bigger and bigger state.Gardenwalker said:Labour rampers continue to cling on to the Budget, but in truth, Reeves has little option but to raise taxes *somewhere*, and the subsequent squealing is hardly going to restore Labour popularity.
In any case, the job of the Budget is not to make the government popular.
Starmer has simply failed to push out a vision.
That’s what Britain sorely lacks.
I thought at the time I loathed Tony Blair. Then Gordon Brown took over and it turned out what I felt about Blair had actually been mild dislike.
All that said, I have a very Tory friend (sorry, shades of another poster here) who owns a SME who consider Gordon Brown the best wealth-creating chancellor of all the time he owned a business. So clearly he wasn't as bad as I assumed.0 -
Who would have guessed that progressivism in Canada would hit the buffers? It seemed invincible until very recently.Andy_JS said:Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls
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A lot of that voting bloc are pensioners, who've now lost their WFA. So reality is worse for them as far as they are concerned.Stuartinromford said:Two other observations on that polling.
One is that most of the government's actions have been more popular than unpopular. And the big negative- the prison releases- was pretty much inevitable, even if the riots hadn't happened. The problem seems to be that there haven't been enough government actions. That really ought to be fixable, which is not to say that it will be.
The other is the partisan split on the got better/got worse question. It's telling us something, but are RefCon voters really experiencing reality as worse since July?0 -
Brown rose a boom - and ignored any signs it was a boom until after the crash.Cookie said:
Or at least, had rather more of a xlue than this lot.rottenborough said:
A reminder once again that Blair and Brown were bloody good.MaxPB said:
Yes this is what I don't understand, the budget won't help make Labour more popular. Again, what bothers me is that they've done no homework and not prepared the ground at all before the election. Labour came in and the first thing they did was give in to the unions, it has set the scene for voters realising (correctly or incorrectly) that they haven't changed and the next 5 years will be spent paying ever more tax to pay for a bigger and bigger state.Gardenwalker said:Labour rampers continue to cling on to the Budget, but in truth, Reeves has little option but to raise taxes *somewhere*, and the subsequent squealing is hardly going to restore Labour popularity.
In any case, the job of the Budget is not to make the government popular.
Starmer has simply failed to push out a vision.
That’s what Britain sorely lacks.
I thought at the time I loathed Tony Blair. Then Gordon Brown took over and it turned out what I felt about Blair had actually been mild dislike.
All that said, I have a very Tory friend (sorry, shades of another poster here) who owns a SME who consider Gordon Brown the best wealth-creating chancellor of all the time he owned a business. So clearly he wasn't as bad as I assumed.
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ThanksOmnium said:
That's a great snap.Leon said:
Nah. It’s beautiful in its own gritty fucked up post-industrial way. You step over the fent addicts, attracted by the throbbing energy of it allOmnium said:
Camden has some slight chance of being nice.Andy_JS said:
The last time a Tory was elected in Camden Town was probably at this 1937 by-election.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_St_Pancras_North_by-election
I think there was a Waitrose and then it retreated.
Just bomb, very heavily, all of it, and then rebuild - it could be nice.
And then you get quiet moments when suddenly the crowds thin - for a moment - this is just now
I remember walking through Camden Market sometime during the pando, probably lockdown 3, when it was this bitterly cold bleak deserted place. Not a soul. Doors falling off hinges. Smashed windows. Monumentally sad...
And I thought "this is it, it will never recover. London is finished, Camden is finished, this is some awful inflection point..."
And now it is back, bigger than ever, and completely RAMMED with kids and families and teens all having a blast
A lesson there0 -
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.1 -
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.0 -
Those days when you could stalk the streets of London were amazing. It's back but not so great.Leon said:
ThanksOmnium said:
That's a great snap.Leon said:
Nah. It’s beautiful in its own gritty fucked up post-industrial way. You step over the fent addicts, attracted by the throbbing energy of it allOmnium said:
Camden has some slight chance of being nice.Andy_JS said:
The last time a Tory was elected in Camden Town was probably at this 1937 by-election.Leon said:
I’m afraid I did vote Labour. But I like how it irks youkinabalu said:
But going from voting Labour to viewing them as Satan's representatives on earth in the space of a few weeks is not rationally explicable.Cookie said:
That doesn't make sense. Making a decision doesn't compel you to stick pretend-cheerfully to it despite everything (though often it is human nature to do so). If you decide to go to a pub, and it turns out to be shit (because it has karaoke on, for example, or because all the decent beer is off), you don't have to pretend it's turned out brilliantly. It's entirely reasonable to say 'actually I wish I'd chosen somewhere else'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You voted for this, own it.Leon said:
A man is allowed to dream, even if it becomes a nightmareTheScreamingEagles said:
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is more stupid, the stupid guy or the guy that voted for him?Leon said:
But you forget. Starmer has now set up a super tough “border control task force” which will sort everythingMaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
I’m beginning to conclude Starmer is
1 actually quite stupid and
2 he therefore really believes crap like this. He’s a Woke apparatchik. He thinks everything can be solved by more bureaucracy
Old Cornish saying
One side of the equation or the other is wrong. Either he didn't vote Labour or the anger and derision is mainly for show
I think I know which. But it doesn't really matter so I'll leave it there. We don't want a loose meandering thread.
Also, are you seriously doubting my ability to do a complete volte face over… SEVERAL MONTHS?
I can change my entire religion in an afternoon. Then change it back again after a beer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_St_Pancras_North_by-election
I think there was a Waitrose and then it retreated.
Just bomb, very heavily, all of it, and then rebuild - it could be nice.
And then you get quiet moments when suddenly the crowds thin - for a moment - this is just now
I remember walking through Camden Market sometime during the pando, probably lockdown 3, when it was this bitterly cold bleak deserted place. Not a soul. Doors falling off hinges. Smashed windows. Monumentally sad...
And I thought "this is it, it will never recover. London is finished, Camden is finished, this is some awful inflection point..."
And now it is back, bigger than ever, and completely RAMMED with kids and families and teens all having a blast
A lesson there0 -
I really must visit Manchester again. I haven't been for 15 years at least: I need to see this changeCookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
Also I like early industrial sites and cities, they have noom
One of the noomiest places on earth is Coalbrookdale. You can sense that - yes, the world changed here
Incidentally CERN also has that. Tons of Noom. A trillion trillion bosons of Noom, whizzing around the Large Hadron Collider, smashing into glittering Noomons
CERN is almost as powerfully noomy as Coalbrookdale. It is that good1 -
My girlfriend dumped me by text — and my iPhone sent me a summary
Software engineer Nick Spreen was testing Apple AI when it summarised a text message as: ‘No longer in a relationship; wants belongings from apartment.’
new
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/my-girlfriend-dumped-me-by-text-and-my-iphone-sent-me-a-summary-znsmq5qdd2 -
That's because he has no vision.Gardenwalker said:Labour rampers continue to cling on to the Budget, but in truth, Reeves has little option but to raise taxes *somewhere*, and the subsequent squealing is hardly going to restore Labour popularity.
In any case, the job of the Budget is not to make the government popular.
Starmer has simply failed to push out a vision.
That’s what Britain sorely lacks.
He's a tedious administrator who defies the State and bureaucracy.0 -
I agree not great polls, but I think bleak is perhaps a tad overegging it.rottenborough said:Not been good polling in swing states this week for Harris. Looking pretty bleak frankly.
Aditya Chakrabortty looks at why these voters don't feel the economy is working for them and why they will vote Trump 2.0
"I checked in on Mike Stout. We first talked in a diner in Pittsburgh in 2012, the year Obama won re-election. Mike and his wife, Steffi, had worked in Pennsylvania’s steel industry, with good union pay and pensions.
Life for the Stouts has been frozen for years. At the root of democratic capitalism is an old promise: tomorrow will be better than today. But that promise was broken long ago for Mike’s family and many of his friends’ households, too. He knew plenty of former steelworkers in this swing state who next month would vote Trump. Sure he was a liar, “but at least he lies to their faces, rather than ignoring them”."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/10/kamala-harris-presidential-election-us-economy-wages
Fundamentally the polling shows its a tossup. We have always known it will be close.
I think on balance Harris is still more likely to win than Trump. Dems are investing heavily in GOTV, there are positives down-ballot, and her favourability ratings are OK.
BUT that's not to suggest it's a shoo in.0 -
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.1 -
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This is a Conservative blog and you are quite rightly all piling into the Commies.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I always think it shows a weakness when a poster apologises for an error but then some still seem to delight in ignoring itAnabobazina said:
No, Torpedogate was a veritable flesh wound compared with RAFgate... one speaks only of the latter in hushed tones. It is simply not suitable for a family forum.Gardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
I corrected my mistake about taking down the ballistic missiles and replicated the Ministry of Defence statement tha RAF planes were involved in the action that night
Pity we are not all perfect but can correct our errors
In over 62,000 posts I have erred on occasions but try to convey accurate information often accompanied by quotes from Sky, Guardian, Independent and others
BigG. you have been like a terrier in calling out the most egregious corruption of the last decade. Currygate, Goonergate, Glassesgate, Victoria'ssecretgate, RAFgate, Angie'shousegate and Torpedogate, to name but a few.
Anabob you are not playing nicely on BigG's gates. "Go, walk out the door,...you're not welcome anymore". It's all going a bit Correct Horse Battery with everyone piling in on you, I thought Felix was particularly vicious.
@Anabobazina they have tumbled your game and you need a really flamboyant flounce to go out in style! My anti- PBTory flounce a fortnight ago was a bit shite so I can't offer up any advice1 -
Nowhere before him, and Nowhere at the end.Andy_JS said:Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls0 -
Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.0 -
Yes, Manchester is a definitely on the up - largely because it offers all the amenities of London, with much of the opportunities, and at a fraction of the cost.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
(It's a shame the airport is so shit.)1 -
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.3 -
But then you are not too keen on the Conservative promotion of mini nukes either. Better join the tidal barrage Greens.MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.0 -
Yeah but, people will say “fair do’s”.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.0 -
Off to St Malo for lunch tomorrow - will demolish some oysters for you.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.1 -
1) Pretty crucial if we are serious about net zero (particularly industries who need natural gas and can't find an alternative)MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.
2) It's over 25 years
3) Can't find much evidence of a public outcry outside the usual suspects (e.g partisan Tories, anti-woke grifters).0 -
Building robots to move like humans may be technically impressive but surely for actual use of robotics restricting to human shapes and dimensions is missing the main point of having machines be able to be more efficient than us.Nigelb said:Tesla's robot walks like Joe Biden....
https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1844780441292754994
Except the inevitable sex robots.0 -
Private Eye have deleted this but I fucking LOL'd
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Net +5% for the Chagos deal I see.1
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Another Brexit dividend.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.
If only somebody had flagged this up before the referendum, oh wait they did.0 -
Very poorly thought out, shows Labour in thrawl to big oil.RandallFlagg said:
1) Pretty crucial if we are serious about net zero (particularly industries who need natural gas and can't find an alternative)MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.
2) It's over 25 years
3) Can't find much evidence of a public outcry outside the usual suspects (e.g partisan Tories, anti-woke grifters).
Jumped within weeks of getting power, when there should have been far more consideration of our energy policy for the next 25 years.
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Should have been - “We’ll have to page Jeremy.”TheScreamingEagles said:Private Eye have deleted this but I fucking LOL'd
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Encouraging the 20% of the working age population who are economically inactive by tightening sickness and unemployment benefits would reduce the need for immigration and reduce the deficit.
Can U.K. jobs still be advertised abroad at 80% of U.K. rates?Richard_Tyndall said:
It will drop naturally from this point forward because of us getting into the stormy season. Labour will hope that they will be able to effectively use the breathing space to change the narrative - either through some effectove action to stop the crossings or through changing people's perceptions of the crossing. They have about 6 months to do this.bondegezou said:
We haven't even had one day with 1000+ people crossing yet. We did have close to 1000 one day, but numbers are down on average, and the government aren't banging on about the issue all the time. I think its saliency will drop.MaxPB said:
Yup, and as more people arrive and we get more days of 1000+ illegals and videos and Nige signal boosting it across the country that number will only get less favourable for Labour. Ending the Rwanda plan was only acceptable if another replacement policy was ready to replace it "smashing the people smuggler gangs" is just a laughable slogan yet that's what replaced Rwanda as both a deterrent and removals policy.Leon said:Rwanda is surprisingly close
I thought the cancellation would be MORE popular. Shows the pressure on Starmer to stop the boats is still there, big time
If I were advising them I would suggest a number of things.
1. Have an effective asylum system in place in France. Properly manned and located at the actual ports rather than in Paris. STart showingsome asylum seekers being granted asylum and let into the country doing it properly rather than risking the crossing.
2. Reverse May's idiotic decision to include students in the net migration figures.
3. Spend some serious time and money explaining how immigration is necessary and helps the country rather than pandering to the Reform/Tory vote. Change the narrative on immigration whilst exhibting proper control over the numbers (note this is very different to necessariy reducing net migration). Make it clear that those entering the country legally are doing it at the Country's invitation because we want them rather than making it seem like it is something over which we have no control.
4. Do to the people smugglers what they did to the rioters. Heavy and hard. And advertise that fact just as they did with the rioters. Gross negligent manslaughter carries a maximum of life imprisonment so anyone driving a boat where people die is charged with that.0 -
"‘I’m not sorry for what I do’: inside the people smuggling gangs in Calais
The Times tracks down a Kurdish man allegedly behind deadly trips on the Channel. Known as ‘Red’, he boasts he can earn €50,000 a day"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/im-not-sorry-for-what-i-do-inside-the-people-smuggling-gangs-in-calais-nnq6mqcz80 -
The Chagos deal was a craven surrender.
Though, to the US, mostly.
That both Tories and Labour are complicit is simply depressing.2 -
The latest Pallas poll puts the lead at 22 pointsAndy_JS said:Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls
https://pallas-data.ca/2024/10/10/pallas-federal-poll-cpc-44-lpc-22-ndp-19-green-4/
Fascinating to read the Conservatives lead by 30 among men but are only level pegging among women.
In July here, men voted 23% Conservative and 17% Reform but women voted 26% Conservative and 12% Reform. I'm trying to recall if this gender disparity was showing in the pre-election polls.
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Covid still playing out? Has there been a major western government that presided over Covid/lockdown and got re-elected in a subsequent election?darkage said:
Who would have guessed that progressivism in Canada would hit the buffers? It seemed invincible until very recently.Andy_JS said:Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls0 -
Spain know a mug when they see one.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.
They can read the news just as well as us, and they know he's a tool.0 -
Weather is shit too. And parts of Manchester are edgier and more bleak.rcs1000 said:
Yes, Manchester is a definitely on the up - largely because it offers all the amenities of London, with much of the opportunities, and at a fraction of the cost.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
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In thrall to big oil? I thought Labour was killing the North Sea according to PB Tories. Make your mind up.MarqueeMark said:
Very poorly thought out, shows Labour in thrawl to big oil.RandallFlagg said:
1) Pretty crucial if we are serious about net zero (particularly industries who need natural gas and can't find an alternative)MarqueeMark said:
£22 bn on carbon capture.RandallFlagg said:Can anyone actually name any wrong decisions *yet* Labour have made other than WFA cut that 1) Sunak and Hunt *wouldn't have done* and 2) are unpopular with the public?
Because early release of prisoners, handing over sovereignty over the Chagos Islands etc. would have happened under Sunak anyway and coming to terms with the unions is broadly supported.
2) It's over 25 years
3) Can't find much evidence of a public outcry outside the usual suspects (e.g partisan Tories, anti-woke grifters).
Jumped within weeks of getting power, when there should have been far more consideration of our energy policy for the next 25 years.
2/10
How are glass production companies, for instance, going to decarbonise without CCUS by the way?0 -
maker?Casino_Royale said:
Spain know a mug when they see one.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.
They can read the news just as well as us, and they know he's a tool.1 -
I doubt Starmer will fold but you’re right, it does sense our weakness.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.1 -
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.0 -
It seems like a PR tantum - they'll announce the investment in a month instead, at a guess.Taz said:In a choice between DP and its potential investment and the Transport Secretary Number 10 throws Louise Haigh under the bus.
Still, she still has the engagement on social media to comfort her.
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Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.0 -
You doubt he will fold?Taz said:
I doubt Starmer will fold but you’re right, it does sense our weakness.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.
Why would you have any doubt whatsoever?
Starmer will say: you make a bloody good point, where do I sign, and then move on to the next surrender.
I don't think there's any trench he'd fight in.0 -
It's an increasing phenomenon. Women are much more liberal than men.stodge said:
The latest Pallas poll puts the lead at 22 pointsAndy_JS said:Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls
https://pallas-data.ca/2024/10/10/pallas-federal-poll-cpc-44-lpc-22-ndp-19-green-4/
Fascinating to read the Conservatives lead by 30 among men but are only level pegging among women.
In July here, men voted 23% Conservative and 17% Reform but women voted 26% Conservative and 12% Reform. I'm trying to recall if this gender disparity was showing in the pre-election polls.
South Korea has the biggest division I think.
https://www.ft.com/content/29fd9b5c-2f35-41bf-9d4c-994db4e12998
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Whatever. It caused a lot of damage.tp McDoom and the Labour PartyAnabobazina said:
Agree that there are reasons for her becoming bigoted. But a bigot she was.OldKingCole said:
Mrs Duffy was a long-standing Rochdale resident who had watched the town population change enormously over her later years. People like her need sympathy and major efforts towards re-education on both sides.Anabobazina said:
Brown was right about Mrs Duffy –– she was/is a bigot. He should have stuck to his guns!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Special driver for the late Wyn Roberts at elections, especially the Falklands one when we had many questions about the sinking of the Belgrano, and finally for David Jones in 2010 when in our campaign car Brown's 'bigotgate' came over liveGardenwalker said:
Was that the same as torpedo gate?Anabobazina said:
Were you here for RAFgate? That one was a proper zinger. I only learned of it the other day thanks to @TheScreamingEagles 's explanation. Wow. Just wow.Gardenwalker said:
I think Starmer fucked up the optics here badly.JosiasJessop said:
Was I giving a "green-ish card" to Johnson? I don't think so...Gardenwalker said:
Aren’t you the poster who gives a green-ish card to Johnson while continuing to castigate Keir for his curry?JosiasJessop said:
It's funny to see posters who acted all moral at pointing out failures by the Conservative Party and its MPs, who are suddenly blind to issues now Labour is in government. Especially whilst they still decry the Conservatives.felix said:Forget the polls PB is such fun as the apologists led by chief moron Anabobazina are now begging posters to be nice. They should really be re-reading Animal Farm. Politics is a grubby business and as all good conservatives know the troughs tempt all the piggies with remarkable speed this time.
It sorta shows that it was not morality that drove their criticisms, but naked partisanship. (*)
Fortunately, not every posted suffers from this affliction.
(*) For some odd reason, I initially wrote that as parsnipship. Which opens up some intriguing possibilities. A ship made out of a parsnip? A ship carrying nothing but parsnips? The state of being a parsnip?
I was certainly the poster who was castigating Johnson back as far as his time as MoL, and stating that he would not be a good PM. I also stated well before the election that Starmer would probably be better than Sunak, but would have problems because he is not a salesman.
But currygate's interesting. One of my criticisms of Johnson was that he had a habit of not learning lessons: when he makes a mistake, he's either too stupid, too stubborn or too proud to avoid making similar mistakes in the future. Currygate was a mistake from the optics POV at least; and Starmer's making similar mistakes again. And again.
But currygate really wasn’t interesting. It was a load of bollocks served up by alt-right journalists and the ever credulous BigG
On one level, you have to salute BigG’s indefatigabilty.
No wonder he was selected as special driver for Windsor Davies MP in 1948!
How we laughed0 -
On Topic: Basically it seems people are already fed up with Labour but not yet ready to call time on them.
But just three months into a new "change" government all the polling is absolutely appalling for Labour, honestly.0 -
If you look back at Mrs Duffy’s actual comments, she seems like a veritable centrist dad compared with what you hear and read these days.0
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Because they’ve not offered any change.GIN1138 said:On Topic: Basically it seems people are already fed up with Labour but not yet ready to call time on them.
But just three months into a new "change" government all the polling is absolutely appalling for Labour, honestly.
Instead focusing on various not broke / don’t fix issues.1 -
John Gray in New Statesman says it has to be Kemi Badenoch.
She is the only candidate he argues who understands what the conservatives need to do to take a "floundering" labour government which is a hotchpotch of State knows best technocracy and progressive legalists.
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I trust his judgement.rottenborough said:John Gray in New Statesman says it has to be Kemi Badenoch.
She is the only candidate he argues who understands what the conservatives need to do to take a "floundering" labour government which is a hotchpotch of State knows best technocracy and progressive legalists.0 -
Strange how the pro-Conservative Standard somehow managed to omit the Liberal Democrat gain from the Conservatives in Ealing's Hanger Hill Ward:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-by-election-result-losing-tories-reform-greens-lib-dems-b1187301.html#comments-area1 -
But the fact she was (and to some still is) seen as a Bigot speaks volumes about the prejudices of the Liberal-Left establishment.Gardenwalker said:If you look back at Mrs Duffy’s actual comments, she seems like a veritable centrist dad compared with what you hear and read these days.
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He’s essentially correct.rottenborough said:John Gray in New Statesman says it has to be Kemi Badenoch.
She is the only candidate he argues who understands what the conservatives need to do to take a "floundering" labour government which is a hotchpotch of State knows best technocracy and progressive legalists.
Though I doubt Badenoch has the bulwarks, frankly.0 -
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.0 -
It's my local big city. Been there twice in the last week, once for this concert.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
https://bmusic.co.uk/events/bc-2024-25-lviv-national-philharmonic-orchestra-of-ukraine2 -
They keeping banging on about white men being a problem, which pisses off white men and drives division, without doing anything to bring either closer together or solve any underlying issues.Foxy said:
It's an increasing phenomenon. Women are much more liberal than men.stodge said:
The latest Pallas poll puts the lead at 22 pointsAndy_JS said:Canadian Tories are now averaging a lead of 20% in the opinion polls. Looks pretty unrecoverable for Trudeau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls
https://pallas-data.ca/2024/10/10/pallas-federal-poll-cpc-44-lpc-22-ndp-19-green-4/
Fascinating to read the Conservatives lead by 30 among men but are only level pegging among women.
In July here, men voted 23% Conservative and 17% Reform but women voted 26% Conservative and 12% Reform. I'm trying to recall if this gender disparity was showing in the pre-election polls.
South Korea has the biggest division I think.
https://www.ft.com/content/29fd9b5c-2f35-41bf-9d4c-994db4e129981 -
His description of his father is entirely accurate: he made tools.GIN1138 said:
maker?Casino_Royale said:
Spain know a mug when they see one.Leon said:
Spain senses our weakness. This is just one of the consequences of the Chagos Surrender, just one of the many reasons it was a catastrophic and unforced moral, military and political errorCasino_Royale said:
Starmer will fold to Spain, in full, in weeks.Andy_JS said:"Spain imposes surprise border checks on Gibraltar
A huge queue formed at the border as the Rock’s government reciprocated, but both sides stopped inspecting passports within four hours"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/11/spain-imposes-surprise-border-checks-on-gibraltar/
He might even surrender control of the airport.
They can read the news just as well as us, and they know he's a tool.1 -
Like all second tier British cities, it suffers from a fatal lack of local autonomy and therefore investment.carnforth said:
I grew up in suburban Birmingham. Pleasant enough. The city centre wants another few decades of regeneration, though. People started moving back into the city centre in the 1990s with developments like Brindley Place, but it rather stalled.Gardenwalker said:
Birmingham is probably the most dismal urban experience in the Western hemisphere.darkage said:
Birmingham is very similar; at one point recently it claimed to be the youngest city in Europe. It has everything and the potential is vast. Also housing is very cheap, you can buy a 1 bed flat in a nice area for £130k. People should quit London for Birmingham.Cookie said:
London doesn't have to do it alone.Leon said:If there is hope for the UK it is in London
I’m walking through Camden Market. The youthful energy is insane. No other city - not even New York - matches it. Something unique in the air. Far more dynamic than any city in the EU
London PULSATES. What is being hatched here in this crazy mash of energetic people from all over?
It may yet save us
The growth in Manchester over the past ten years jas been remarkable. Manchester is, if anything*, a younger city than London. It's hard, in Manchester, to recognise the story of national decline. Granted there is a lot of grot - but good grief it's a different city to 20 years ago. Which in turn was a very different city to 20 years before that.
*figure pulled out of my arse but feels right.
The £130k flats can be found even walking distance from HS2.
But even by British standards, it’s a bit shit.
Not sure what the urban version of “rizz” is, but Birmingham doesn’t have much of it. Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool are all better.2 -
Tories weren't exactly popular 6 months in.GIN1138 said:On Topic: Basically it seems people are already fed up with Labour but not yet ready to call time on them.
But just three months into a new "change" government all the polling is absolutely appalling for Labour, honestly.
https://cdn.yougov.com/today_uk_import/YG-Archives-Pol-ST-results-101210_0.pdf0
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