The ConHome poll has moved the market – politicalbetting.com
The ConHome poll has moved the market – politicalbetting.com
.@JamesCleverly overtakes @RobertJenrick in our post-conference leadership survey https://t.co/ZgKy4i0qyl
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First?0
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Anyone but Jenrick.7
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Tom out next. Then the horse-trading begins.0
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Cleverly would be wise to say he doesn't expect to lead the Conservatives into the next election. He has several years for the party to conduct a serious beauty parade (given that nobody is very enthused by those on offer this time).
The current contenders can spend a couple of years better making a policy-driven case. But new faces will be encouraged to come forward with a better manifesto. (And they won't be expected to pay absurd sums to cover the process either, under the way he will conduct the next leadership race.)1 -
Cleverly work!algarkirk said:First?
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Eesh, I laid Cleverly. Disaster!0
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He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/1 -
Dunno about "overtaking". The graph shows sharp movement together immediately followed by sharp repulsion, on second thoughts perhaps0
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It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/1 -
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/0 -
But he has weekend footie to watch!RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/0 -
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/0 -
Nothing happens over the weekend - well known factRobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/0 -
I dunno. If it means SKS only has five days a week to come up with bloody stupid ideas like giving Diego Garcia tothe Chinese then I'd rather they didn't work the weekend.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/4 -
To be fair, Starmer's wife and children are Jewish, and they tend to take their friday evenings seriously, according to the important documentary, Friday Night Dinner.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/0 -
Looking good for Kemi. Jenrick on the decline.0
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His family can do as they please, they aren’t the PM.kyf_100 said:
To be fair, Starmer's wife and children are Jewish, and they tend to take their friday evenings seriously, according to the important documentary, Friday Night Dinner.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/0 -
If somehow Jenrick doesn't make the final two, though...Andy_JS said:Looking good for Kemi. Jenrick on the decline.
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Very unusual that a poll would move the market THAT much. That's quite a jump.
I've long been of the view that Cleverly is value but I'd say Cleverly is now a lay.0 -
The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.0
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Con home polls aren't worth the paper they are written on.0
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If Badenoch makes the final two she's inMarqueeMark said:
If somehow Jenrick doesn't make the final two, though...Andy_JS said:Looking good for Kemi. Jenrick on the decline.
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You're wishcasting, the polls show the members are moving heavily away from Kemi-kaze towards Jenrick and to a lesser extent Cleverly.Andy_JS said:The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.
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I backed Cleverly ages ago so I hope he wins. But on the general point of going out soon, to get to the last three you need 25% of Tory MPs to wholeheartedly want you to win. Top get to the last two you need 33% to do so. That isn't many when it is for the top job. If you can't get that, you are not the person enough MPs want, and if you do have that support it's impossible to be kicked out.Andy_JS said:The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.
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I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.4 -
Yeah, that was my fault wasn't it.maxh said:I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.
Though I maintain 50/1 was an excellent value loser.
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/07/08/its-not-looking-good-for-suella-braverman/0 -
Off topic: anyone heard from @148grss recently? The site is poorer without them, hope they're okay.
I was reminded of them whilst listening to some 'It Could Happen Here' podcasts - radical left which will put some of you off, but I would heartily recommend a recent one on the Darien gap: https://open.spotify.com/episode/31zGPQdbeNyMgyKDp2r291?si=950dfe584fec4f18.
I don't envy the US politicians trying to find a solution to migration across the southern border, which makes our small boats issue look like nothing, but whatever policy decisions are made towards migration should be done so in full knowledge of the day-to-day* experience of migrants making journeys such as that across the Darien gap. It's a brave piece of reporting and worth half an hour of your time.
*@CasinoRoyale I almost typed lived experience here but stopped. You would be proud.4 -
I wasn't going to mention it TSE, but your legendary modesty has got the better of you I see.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, that was my fault wasn't it.maxh said:I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.
Though I maintain 50/1 was an excellent value loser.
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/07/08/its-not-looking-good-for-suella-braverman/3 -
You mean securing a 99 year lease on the Anglo/US Base there, agreed by the Sovereign democratic Commonwealth country?Cookie said:
I dunno. If it means SKS only has five days a week to come up with bloody stupid ideas like giving Diego Garcia tothe Chinese then I'd rather they didn't work the weekend.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/3 -
James Cleverly would be my personal choice for Tory leader. Whether he’s the best choice strategically or tactically I am not sure.1
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Israel’s attack on Iran tonight ?
Biden has left Camp David and gone to the Whitehouse.
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I had backed Cleverly, expecting him to make the final two before losing to Jenrick in the Members vote, but cashed out too soon.
I think Jenrick is the value now. He is pretty certain to make the members vote.0 -
True. There's no doubt the members would prefer Tugendhat to go out next, but I'd say there's a 50% chance that won't happen.algarkirk said:
I backed Cleverly ages ago so I hope he wins. But on the general point of going out soon, to get to the last three you need 25% of Tory MPs to wholeheartedly want you to win. Top get to the last two you need 33% to do so. That isn't many when it is for the top job. If you can't get that, you are not the person enough MPs want, and if you do have that support it's impossible to be kicked out.Andy_JS said:The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.
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... and the 'bloody stupid idea' was a Tory one.Foxy said:
You mean securing a 99 year lease on the Anglo/US Base there, agreed by the Sovereign democratic Commonwealth country?Cookie said:
I dunno. If it means SKS only has five days a week to come up with bloody stupid ideas like giving Diego Garcia tothe Chinese then I'd rather they didn't work the weekend.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/0 -
The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-23789610 -
I admire the honesty of this post.maxh said:I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.
Tbh, I'm pretty crap too, and cautious. I play with tiny stakes. I often lose. When i win its usually a small amount.
I just look for tips from those much smarter than me about the stats, and try and recognise who to listen to amongst the noise.3 -
Anyone who is sensible enough to bet with such small sums of money deserves our congratulations imo. (Not being sarcastic).maxh said:I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.2 -
When a bad news story starts to break... So this is about news management rather than crisis management?FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/2 -
Ladbrokes/Coral and Betfred high street betting shops have betting terminals that allow one to bet without interacting with a person. For me it is the best compromise between over-the-counter betting (which requires talking to a person who isn't used to betting on politics and looks at you stupid) and online betting (which is far easier but increases the chance of a loss thru trading costs). They accept sums from as little as £1 or £5 and up to I think £500 or £1000.Andy_JS said:
Anyone who is sensible enough to bet with such small sums of money deserves our congratulations imo. (Not being sarcastic).maxh said:I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.0 -
https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61
Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?0 -
Even the NYT is starting to question if Trump is still up to it: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/us/politics/trump-speeches-age-cognitive-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QE4.6nsk.pBY0uqXyOVEd&smid=url-share
Some quite interesting analysis of his language and sentence structure.
The NYT has taken a lot of flack for ignoring the many issues with Trump. If they are starting to change it does not bode well for him.3 -
I find the betting enhances my enjoyment of the political geekery, and like others on here I sometimes bet against an outcome I desire to take the edge off the disappointment.Andy_JS said:
Anyone who is sensible enough to bet with such small sums of money deserves our congratulations imo. (Not being sarcastic).maxh said:I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.
Two things to note:
- I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
- 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.
Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.
But I have long since realised I lose more than I win, so try to make this a cheap, rather than an expensive, hobby. Like Casino I value what I learn from those on here with sounder heads than mine.4 -
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
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LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.Taz said:https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61
Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?2 -
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.2 -
Was it worth it? She junked her political neutrality and caused a lot of controversy under the previous administration by declaring her colours for, what, 90 actual days in office?Sandpit said:
LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.Taz said:https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61
Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?0 -
So Bubba Watson didn't need to sell the General Lee after all. He could have just pulled the orange wrap from the roof to show the flag in all it's splendour.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
It wouldn't make me any more inclined to vote for the orange fash-lite liar, but each to their own.0 -
It might not be an ordinary 9-5 office job, but it should be like any other job that requires out of hours coverage -- you set up an on-call system with a rota, so everybody knows who's available and everybody also gets at least some weeks when they can indeed be out of contact. And everybody can decide whether they're being paid enough for that out of hours hassle or not...FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
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Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.0 -
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Mexicanpete said:
So Bubba Watson didn't need to sell the General Lee after all. He could have just pulled the orange wrap from the roof to show the flag in all it's splendour.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
It wouldn't make me any more inclined to vote for the orange fash-lite liar, but each to their own.
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I have lit the stove.
Must be winter.3 -
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility0 -
He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/2 -
As for the originals, Lee was captured at Appomattox Courthouse but Jackson was shot by the Confederates.Foxy said:
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility0 -
Iran has closed all airports until 2:30am, except for emergency and military flights.
International commercial flights appear to be staying well away from the area. Sandpit flights are mostly heading out straight West over Saudi and then Egypt before heading North.
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That Trump celebrating the slave owning traitors might win him a few votes, as far as I can tell.Foxy said:
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility0 -
“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her0
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1) it was always the planCasino_Royale said:
Was it worth it? She junked her political neutrality and caused a lot of controversy under the previous administration by declaring her colours for, what, 90 actual days in office?Sandpit said:
LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.Taz said:https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61
Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?
2) it’s 9D chess
3) it’s a non story, talking down the country., from the alt-right Guardian newspaper
4) all of the above0 -
Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.Fairliered said:
He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
This period covers
i) The aftermath of the budget
ii) The result of the Tory leadership election
iii) The US presidential election
I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.1 -
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.Foxy said:
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.1 -
At least Wham hasn't come on the radio yet.ydoethur said:I have lit the stove.
Must be winter.
I think..0 -
Safely out of the way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.Fairliered said:
He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
This period covers
i) The aftermath of the budget
ii) The result of the Tory leadership election
iii) The US presidential election
I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.0 -
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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In 2022 I ended up in Whamhalla before Halloween.Casino_Royale said:
At least Wham hasn't come on the radio yet.ydoethur said:I have lit the stove.
Must be winter.
I think..0 -
She was always a bit "obsessed" with the devolved administrations. Going around to anyone who would listen to try and stop the government from blocking the Scottish Gender ID bill. So at least she can pretend to have a pet project.Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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Is the implication that the PM no longer needs to personally bother with the nations or regions?Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.0 -
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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Fairliered said:
Safely out of the way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.Fairliered said:
He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
This period covers
i) The aftermath of the budget
ii) The result of the Tory leadership election
iii) The US presidential election
I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
Nothing will ever top OGH's break in June 2023, it saw over three consecutive days
i) The publication of the Privileges Committee report into Boris Johnson lying to the Commons
ii) Boris Johnson quitting as an MP because of i)
iii) Nadine Dorries and Nigel Adams triggering by elections because they weren't given peerages
iv) Nicola Sturgeon was arrested
it was utterly surreal editing PB then.2 -
Who's manning the barricades whilst you are away? Leon?TheScreamingEagles said:
Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.Fairliered said:
He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
This period covers
i) The aftermath of the budget
ii) The result of the Tory leadership election
iii) The US presidential election
I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.0 -
It's a vital role downgraded by Sir Keir, lest we forget that Boris Johnson was PM and Minister for the Union.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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But… this sort of narrative, which I’m sure has some truth to it, assumes the only voters that matter or have influence over the election are those who’d be annoyed by liberal sentiment.Casino_Royale said:
I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.Foxy said:
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
The corollary is that there are no voters who might be upset or annoyed by racist sentiment. Or that they don’t matter because they’re in safe Democrat seats. Somewhere like Georgia, I’m not sure that’s true.
Divisive ideologies tend to drive turnout among their own supporters, and among their opponents.
The secret - this is where the dog whistle analogy is so powerful - is to appeal to your own ideologies while making sure the other side don’t notice.2 -
To be fair, Starmer is still Minister for the Unions.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's a vital role downgraded by Sir Keir, lest we forget that Boris Johnson was PM and Minister for the Union.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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On the editorial side it will be me.Mexicanpete said:
Who's manning the barricades whilst you are away? Leon?TheScreamingEagles said:
Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.Fairliered said:
He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
This period covers
i) The aftermath of the budget
ii) The result of the Tory leadership election
iii) The US presidential election
I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
I have a few planned threads on Scottish independence, AV, and why lawyers are awesome.1 -
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.0 -
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”0 -
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.2 -
They should make the role permanent and devise a colourful uniform which comprises elements from all four national costumes, so a kilt and sporran from Scotland, enormous doc martens and bowler hat from England, comedy Irish ginger hair wig and red hand of Ulster tee shirt and black face symbolising the miners in the coal pits of wales, then she should do a special envoy’s “jig” in front of all four national parliaments while singing Chinese opera epitomising Starmer’s commitment to the nations and regions unless he can give them to BeijingRobD said:.
Is the implication that the PM no longer needs to personally bother with the nations or regions?Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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"Who is Morgan McSweeney? The Labour election guru replacing Sue Gray as chief of staff"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/morgan-mcsweeney-sue-gray-starmer-wife-who-b2624665.html0 -
It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.RobD said:
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”2 -
You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-544983571 -
Indeed, such a move may not be popular in Union States such as Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, or with US Army soldiers.TimS said:
But… this sort of narrative, which I’m sure has some truth to it, assumes the only voters that matter or have influence over the election are those who’d be annoyed by liberal sentiment.Casino_Royale said:
I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.Foxy said:
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
The corollary is that there are no voters who might be upset or annoyed by racist sentiment. Or that they don’t matter because they’re in safe Democrat seats. Somewhere like Georgia, I’m not sure that’s true.
Divisive ideologies tend to drive turnout among their own supporters, and among their opponents.
The secret - this is where the dog whistle analogy is so powerful - is to appeal to your own ideologies while making sure the other side don’t notice.0 -
It's like Liz Truss. Love her or hate her, admire or pity her, she's still been at the top for longer than most.Malmesbury said:a
1) it was always the planCasino_Royale said:
Was it worth it? She junked her political neutrality and caused a lot of controversy under the previous administration by declaring her colours for, what, 90 actual days in office?Sandpit said:
LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.Taz said:https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61
Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?
2) it’s 9D chess
3) it’s a non story, talking down the country., from the alt-right Guardian newspaper
4) all of the above0 -
Well one of them. Given the dysfunction, didn't everybody have a go at every job at one time or another?Stuartinromford said:
You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-544983571 -
We’ve surely got evidence to the contrary at this point? Perhaps he’s only doing overtime at 2x pay.Mexicanpete said:
It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.RobD said:
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”0 -
If Starmer doesn’t want to work 24/7 - fine. Then the job of Deputy PM needs to be upgraded and they can take the after hours shifts.Mexicanpete said:
It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.RobD said:
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
Same with other jobs in government.
At that point you’ll hear screaming. Because that means sharing power. And sharing it with worse rivals than the Opposition. Sharing it with colleagues!!!!!!1 -
As I remember at 6 o'clock on a Friday under Johnson it was wine time rather than working.Mexicanpete said:
It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.RobD said:
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”1 -
Also having to be on duty on Friday nights would cut into Big Ange clubbing time....Malmesbury said:
If Starmer doesn’t want to work 24/7 - fine. Then the job of Deputy PM needs to be upgraded and they can take the after hours shifts.Mexicanpete said:
It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.RobD said:
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
Same with other jobs in government.
At that point you’ll hear screaming. Because that means sharing power. And sharing it with worse rivals than the Opposition. Sharing it with colleagues!!!!!!0 -
This.
Brown’s chief of staff left after 6months. Labour lost the election.
Cameron’s director of comms, left after 8months & went to jail. Tories won.
Johnson’s chief aide left after 16months. PM was later ousted.
Not everything has to be “unprecedented”. What happens next 🤷♂️
https://x.com/MattChorley/status/18429967338125724754 -
Surely misdirecting levelling up cash was Rishi's spiel to be leader. He boasted of it. It's like painting over murals and charging it to the foreign aid budget, or reclassifying pensions as defence spending so we meet our 2%. It might be scandalous but it's not news.FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.0 -
Electing Jenrick means the Conservatives will never gain escape velocity from Planet Sleaze.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well one of them. Given the dysfunction, didn't everybody have a go at every job at one time or another?Stuartinromford said:
You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-544983576 -
Renaming a military base, as Trump promised last week, after a traitorous, slave owning incompetent is perhaps not his smartest pledge.Foxy said:
Indeed, such a move may not be popular in Union States such as Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, or with US Army soldiers.TimS said:
But… this sort of narrative, which I’m sure has some truth to it, assumes the only voters that matter or have influence over the election are those who’d be annoyed by liberal sentiment.Casino_Royale said:
I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.Foxy said:
What was your point then?Casino_Royale said:
Well done for spectacularly missing the point.Foxy said:
It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.Casino_Royale said:
I can see why Trump might have appeal.Andy_JS said:The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.
Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.
There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.
Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.
So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia
So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.
There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
The corollary is that there are no voters who might be upset or annoyed by racist sentiment. Or that they don’t matter because they’re in safe Democrat seats. Somewhere like Georgia, I’m not sure that’s true.
Divisive ideologies tend to drive turnout among their own supporters, and among their opponents.
The secret - this is where the dog whistle analogy is so powerful - is to appeal to your own ideologies while making sure the other side don’t notice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braxton_Bragg
… Bragg is generally considered among the worst generals of the Civil War. Most of the battles he engaged in ended in defeat. Bragg was extremely unpopular with both the officers and ordinary men under his command, who criticized him for numerous perceived faults, including poor battlefield strategy, a quick temper, and overzealous discipline. ..
Though I grant it’s on brand.0 -
6pm, Fat chance of Bozza still being there at that time. He had long since left by the time the cabin bag of pino was being wheeled in.Foxy said:
As I remember at 6 o'clock on a Friday under Johnson it was wine time rather than working.Mexicanpete said:
It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.RobD said:
Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:Mexicanpete said:
Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.RobD said:
Sorry, 6pmrottenborough said:
He didn't say that.RobD said:
It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.
It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.
Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
“We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”0 -
I lost a lot of money betting against Boris who was plainly open to all the same attacks the Tories made against Jeremy Corbyn. I'm trying not to make the same mistake with Robert Jenrick when Labour is attacked for being on the take.Stuartinromford said:
You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-544983570 -
"The nations and regions" is Gordon Brown's hobbyhorse. Perhaps Starmer is getting fed up of phone calls from Gordon and has found a way to punish him.RobD said:.
Is the implication that the PM no longer needs to personally bother with the nations or regions?Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
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This has gone viral
Clip of a Canadian doctor who does euthanasia, chatting about her work
It has several disturbing moments. For me it is her urgent mirthless laughter as she talks about terminal cancer
https://x.com/serena_partrick/status/1842623436700450990?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
See what you think. I don’t know where I stand on this sad issue. But the Canadian example gives me doubts2 -
If it is Jenrick or Badenoch then that is a gift which every Labour MP should declare.MarqueeMark said:
Electing Jenrick means the Conservatives will never gain escape velocity from Planet Sleaze.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well one of them. Given the dysfunction, didn't everybody have a go at every job at one time or another?Stuartinromford said:
You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-544983576 -
"You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me. "FrancisUrquhart said:
You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.Mexicanpete said:
If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.Leon said:
How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdueFrancisUrquhart said:
If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....Leon said:“Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
Yes I know it's bollocks.
On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
The thing is, I was against Boris well before he left his role as MoL. I thought he would be a disaster as PM (the role he evidently wanted...) and I think I was right for the correct reasons.
Having said that, I increasingly find myself defending him in certain ways. Whilst he was nowhere near the Churchill-reincarnated that he saw himself, or the anti-EU hero some of his fanbois saw; he is nowhere near as bad as many of his critics make out. The critics go far too far, to almost stupid levels.2
