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The ConHome poll has moved the market – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,212
edited November 7 in General
imageThe ConHome poll has moved the market – politicalbetting.com

.@JamesCleverly overtakes @RobertJenrick in our post-conference leadership survey https://t.co/ZgKy4i0qyl

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  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    First?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Tom out next. Then the horse-trading begins.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Cleverly would be wise to say he doesn't expect to lead the Conservatives into the next election. He has several years for the party to conduct a serious beauty parade (given that nobody is very enthused by those on offer this time).

    The current contenders can spend a couple of years better making a policy-driven case. But new faces will be encouraged to come forward with a better manifesto. (And they won't be expected to pay absurd sums to cover the process either, under the way he will conduct the next leadership race.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    algarkirk said:

    First?

    Cleverly work!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,358
    Eesh, I laid Cleverly. Disaster!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    Dunno about "overtaking". The graph shows sharp movement together immediately followed by sharp repulsion, on second thoughts perhaps
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    edited October 6

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    But he has weekend footie to watch!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    Nothing happens over the weekend - well known fact
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    I dunno. If it means SKS only has five days a week to come up with bloody stupid ideas like giving Diego Garcia tothe Chinese then I'd rather they didn't work the weekend.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    To be fair, Starmer's wife and children are Jewish, and they tend to take their friday evenings seriously, according to the important documentary, Friday Night Dinner.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Looking good for Kemi. Jenrick on the decline.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    To be fair, Starmer's wife and children are Jewish, and they tend to take their friday evenings seriously, according to the important documentary, Friday Night Dinner.
    His family can do as they please, they aren’t the PM.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Andy_JS said:

    Looking good for Kemi. Jenrick on the decline.

    If somehow Jenrick doesn't make the final two, though...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    Very unusual that a poll would move the market THAT much. That's quite a jump.
    I've long been of the view that Cleverly is value but I'd say Cleverly is now a lay.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,826
    Con home polls aren't worth the paper they are written on.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767

    Andy_JS said:

    Looking good for Kemi. Jenrick on the decline.

    If somehow Jenrick doesn't make the final two, though...
    If Badenoch makes the final two she's in
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    Andy_JS said:

    The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.

    You're wishcasting, the polls show the members are moving heavily away from Kemi-kaze towards Jenrick and to a lesser extent Cleverly.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    Andy_JS said:

    The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.

    I backed Cleverly ages ago so I hope he wins. But on the general point of going out soon, to get to the last three you need 25% of Tory MPs to wholeheartedly want you to win. Top get to the last two you need 33% to do so. That isn't many when it is for the top job. If you can't get that, you are not the person enough MPs want, and if you do have that support it's impossible to be kicked out.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,286
    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    maxh said:

    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.

    Yeah, that was my fault wasn't it.

    Though I maintain 50/1 was an excellent value loser.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/07/08/its-not-looking-good-for-suella-braverman/
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,286
    Off topic: anyone heard from @148grss recently? The site is poorer without them, hope they're okay.

    I was reminded of them whilst listening to some 'It Could Happen Here' podcasts - radical left which will put some of you off, but I would heartily recommend a recent one on the Darien gap: https://open.spotify.com/episode/31zGPQdbeNyMgyKDp2r291?si=950dfe584fec4f18.

    I don't envy the US politicians trying to find a solution to migration across the southern border, which makes our small boats issue look like nothing, but whatever policy decisions are made towards migration should be done so in full knowledge of the day-to-day* experience of migrants making journeys such as that across the Darien gap. It's a brave piece of reporting and worth half an hour of your time.

    *@CasinoRoyale I almost typed lived experience here but stopped. You would be proud.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,286

    maxh said:

    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.

    Yeah, that was my fault wasn't it.

    Though I maintain 50/1 was an excellent value loser.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/07/08/its-not-looking-good-for-suella-braverman/
    I wasn't going to mention it TSE, but your legendary modesty has got the better of you I see.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited October 6
    Cookie said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    I dunno. If it means SKS only has five days a week to come up with bloody stupid ideas like giving Diego Garcia tothe Chinese then I'd rather they didn't work the weekend.
    You mean securing a 99 year lease on the Anglo/US Base there, agreed by the Sovereign democratic Commonwealth country?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,916
    James Cleverly would be my personal choice for Tory leader. Whether he’s the best choice strategically or tactically I am not sure.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    Israel’s attack on Iran tonight ?

    Biden has left Camp David and gone to the Whitehouse.

    https://x.com/worldsource24/status/1842958937337037241?s=61
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    I had backed Cleverly, expecting him to make the final two before losing to Jenrick in the Members vote, but cashed out too soon.

    I think Jenrick is the value now. He is pretty certain to make the members vote.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The members will be furious with the MPs if Cleverly is next to go out, which I still think is a possibility because of the fact that most Stride supporters will switch to Tugendhat.

    I backed Cleverly ages ago so I hope he wins. But on the general point of going out soon, to get to the last three you need 25% of Tory MPs to wholeheartedly want you to win. Top get to the last two you need 33% to do so. That isn't many when it is for the top job. If you can't get that, you are not the person enough MPs want, and if you do have that support it's impossible to be kicked out.
    True. There's no doubt the members would prefer Tugendhat to go out next, but I'd say there's a 50% chance that won't happen.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    I dunno. If it means SKS only has five days a week to come up with bloody stupid ideas like giving Diego Garcia tothe Chinese then I'd rather they didn't work the weekend.
    You mean securing a 99 year lease on the Anglo/US Base there, agreed by the Sovereign democratic Commonwealth country?
    ... and the 'bloody stupid idea' was a Tory one.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    maxh said:

    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.

    I admire the honesty of this post.

    Tbh, I'm pretty crap too, and cautious. I play with tiny stakes. I often lose. When i win its usually a small amount.

    I just look for tips from those much smarter than me about the stats, and try and recognise who to listen to amongst the noise.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    maxh said:

    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.

    Anyone who is sensible enough to bet with such small sums of money deserves our congratulations imo. (Not being sarcastic).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    When a bad news story starts to break... So this is about news management rather than crisis management?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,378
    Andy_JS said:

    maxh said:

    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.

    Anyone who is sensible enough to bet with such small sums of money deserves our congratulations imo. (Not being sarcastic).
    Ladbrokes/Coral and Betfred high street betting shops have betting terminals that allow one to bet without interacting with a person. For me it is the best compromise between over-the-counter betting (which requires talking to a person who isn't used to betting on politics and looks at you stupid) and online betting (which is far easier but increases the chance of a loss thru trading costs). They accept sums from as little as £1 or £5 and up to I think £500 or £1000.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61

    Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Even the NYT is starting to question if Trump is still up to it: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/us/politics/trump-speeches-age-cognitive-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QE4.6nsk.pBY0uqXyOVEd&smid=url-share

    Some quite interesting analysis of his language and sentence structure.

    The NYT has taken a lot of flack for ignoring the many issues with Trump. If they are starting to change it does not bode well for him.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,286
    Andy_JS said:

    maxh said:

    I laid Jenrick a week or so ago, using all the funds in my Smarkets account.

    Two things to note:
    - I am really crap at political betting, so me laying Jenrick strongly suggests he will win.
    - 'all the funds in my Smarkets account' translates to £12.03, so I am hardly Billy Big Bollocks here.

    Nevertheless, I have just traded out for a £2.79 profit which covers my loss on an inexplicable punt on Clare Coutinho a few months back, so all is well with the world.

    Anyone who is sensible enough to bet with such small sums of money deserves our congratulations imo. (Not being sarcastic).
    I find the betting enhances my enjoyment of the political geekery, and like others on here I sometimes bet against an outcome I desire to take the edge off the disappointment.

    But I have long since realised I lose more than I win, so try to make this a cheap, rather than an expensive, hobby. Like Casino I value what I learn from those on here with sounder heads than mine.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61

    Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?

    LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61

    Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?

    LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.
    Was it worth it? She junked her political neutrality and caused a lot of controversy under the previous administration by declaring her colours for, what, 90 actual days in office?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    So Bubba Watson didn't need to sell the General Lee after all. He could have just pulled the orange wrap from the roof to show the flag in all it's splendour.

    It wouldn't make me any more inclined to vote for the orange fash-lite liar, but each to their own.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,153

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It might not be an ordinary 9-5 office job, but it should be like any other job that requires out of hours coverage -- you set up an on-call system with a rota, so everybody knows who's available and everybody also gets at least some weeks when they can indeed be out of contact. And everybody can decide whether they're being paid enough for that out of hours hassle or not...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    So Bubba Watson didn't need to sell the General Lee after all. He could have just pulled the orange wrap from the roof to show the flag in all it's splendour.

    It wouldn't make me any more inclined to vote for the orange fash-lite liar, but each to their own.
    :innocent:


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    I have lit the stove.

    Must be winter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,053
    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
    As for the originals, Lee was captured at Appomattox Courthouse but Jackson was shot by the Confederates.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    Iran has closed all airports until 2:30am, except for emergency and military flights.

    International commercial flights appear to be staying well away from the area. Sandpit flights are mostly heading out straight West over Saudi and then Egypt before heading North.

    https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1842975937979363807
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
    That Trump celebrating the slave owning traitors might win him a few votes, as far as I can tell.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    a

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61

    Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?

    LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.
    Was it worth it? She junked her political neutrality and caused a lot of controversy under the previous administration by declaring her colours for, what, 90 actual days in office?
    1) it was always the plan
    2) it’s 9D chess
    3) it’s a non story, talking down the country., from the alt-right Guardian newspaper
    4) all of the above
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.
    Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.

    This period covers

    i) The aftermath of the budget

    ii) The result of the Tory leadership election

    iii) The US presidential election

    I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
    I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.

    But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    ydoethur said:

    I have lit the stove.

    Must be winter.

    At least Wham hasn't come on the radio yet.

    I think..
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,053

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.
    Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.

    This period covers

    i) The aftermath of the budget

    ii) The result of the Tory leadership election

    iii) The US presidential election

    I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
    Safely out of the way!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956

    ydoethur said:

    I have lit the stove.

    Must be winter.

    At least Wham hasn't come on the radio yet.

    I think..
    In 2022 I ended up in Whamhalla before Halloween.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 108
    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    She was always a bit "obsessed" with the devolved administrations. Going around to anyone who would listen to try and stop the government from blocking the Scottish Gender ID bill. So at least she can pretend to have a pet project.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    .
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Is the implication that the PM no longer needs to personally bother with the nations or regions?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited October 6
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 6
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    edited October 6

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.
    Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.

    This period covers

    i) The aftermath of the budget

    ii) The result of the Tory leadership election

    iii) The US presidential election

    I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
    Safely out of the way!

    Nothing will ever top OGH's break in June 2023, it saw over three consecutive days

    i) The publication of the Privileges Committee report into Boris Johnson lying to the Commons

    ii) Boris Johnson quitting as an MP because of i)

    iii) Nadine Dorries and Nigel Adams triggering by elections because they weren't given peerages

    iv) Nicola Sturgeon was arrested

    it was utterly surreal editing PB then.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.
    Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.

    This period covers

    i) The aftermath of the budget

    ii) The result of the Tory leadership election

    iii) The US presidential election

    I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
    Who's manning the barricades whilst you are away? Leon?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    It's a vital role downgraded by Sir Keir, lest we forget that Boris Johnson was PM and Minister for the Union.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213
    edited October 6

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
    I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.

    But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
    But… this sort of narrative, which I’m sure has some truth to it, assumes the only voters that matter or have influence over the election are those who’d be annoyed by liberal sentiment.

    The corollary is that there are no voters who might be upset or annoyed by racist sentiment. Or that they don’t matter because they’re in safe Democrat seats. Somewhere like Georgia, I’m not sure that’s true.

    Divisive ideologies tend to drive turnout among their own supporters, and among their opponents.

    The secret - this is where the dog whistle analogy is so powerful - is to appeal to your own ideologies while making sure the other side don’t notice.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    It's a vital role downgraded by Sir Keir, lest we forget that Boris Johnson was PM and Minister for the Union.
    To be fair, Starmer is still Minister for the Unions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He needs to appoint @TSE to cover the weekend to ensure that nothing unexpected happens.
    Just an FYI, I am taking a holiday from the 1st of November through to the 13th of November.

    This period covers

    i) The aftermath of the budget

    ii) The result of the Tory leadership election

    iii) The US presidential election

    I feel I have picked the ideal time for a quiet break.
    Who's manning the barricades whilst you are away? Leon?
    On the editorial side it will be me.

    I have a few planned threads on Scottish independence, AV, and why lawyers are awesome.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 6

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
    You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.

    On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited October 6
    RobD said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Is the implication that the PM no longer needs to personally bother with the nations or regions?
    They should make the role permanent and devise a colourful uniform which comprises elements from all four national costumes, so a kilt and sporran from Scotland, enormous doc martens and bowler hat from England, comedy Irish ginger hair wig and red hand of Ulster tee shirt and black face symbolising the miners in the coal pits of wales, then she should do a special envoy’s “jig” in front of all four national parliaments while singing Chinese opera epitomising Starmer’s commitment to the nations and regions unless he can give them to Beijing
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    "Who is Morgan McSweeney? The Labour election guru replacing Sue Gray as chief of staff"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/morgan-mcsweeney-sue-gray-starmer-wife-who-b2624665.html
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
    It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,442

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
    You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.

    On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
    You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54498357
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
    I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.

    But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
    But… this sort of narrative, which I’m sure has some truth to it, assumes the only voters that matter or have influence over the election are those who’d be annoyed by liberal sentiment.

    The corollary is that there are no voters who might be upset or annoyed by racist sentiment. Or that they don’t matter because they’re in safe Democrat seats. Somewhere like Georgia, I’m not sure that’s true.

    Divisive ideologies tend to drive turnout among their own supporters, and among their opponents.

    The secret - this is where the dog whistle analogy is so powerful - is to appeal to your own ideologies while making sure the other side don’t notice.
    Indeed, such a move may not be popular in Union States such as Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, or with US Army soldiers.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    a

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1842971349062721599?s=61

    Gong for Sue Grey to ease her passage out of her job into a non job ?

    LOL how to make the story even worse, and run for weeks as the process works through.
    Was it worth it? She junked her political neutrality and caused a lot of controversy under the previous administration by declaring her colours for, what, 90 actual days in office?
    1) it was always the plan
    2) it’s 9D chess
    3) it’s a non story, talking down the country., from the alt-right Guardian newspaper
    4) all of the above
    It's like Liz Truss. Love her or hate her, admire or pity her, she's still been at the top for longer than most.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 6

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
    You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.

    On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
    You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54498357
    Well one of them. Given the dysfunction, didn't everybody have a go at every job at one time or another?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
    It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.
    We’ve surely got evidence to the contrary at this point? Perhaps he’s only doing overtime at 2x pay.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
    It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.
    If Starmer doesn’t want to work 24/7 - fine. Then the job of Deputy PM needs to be upgraded and they can take the after hours shifts.

    Same with other jobs in government.

    At that point you’ll hear screaming. Because that means sharing power. And sharing it with worse rivals than the Opposition. Sharing it with colleagues!!!!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
    It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.
    As I remember at 6 o'clock on a Friday under Johnson it was wine time rather than working.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
    It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.
    If Starmer doesn’t want to work 24/7 - fine. Then the job of Deputy PM needs to be upgraded and they can take the after hours shifts.

    Same with other jobs in government.

    At that point you’ll hear screaming. Because that means sharing power. And sharing it with worse rivals than the Opposition. Sharing it with colleagues!!!!!!
    Also having to be on duty on Friday nights would cut into Big Ange clubbing time....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    This.

    Brown’s chief of staff left after 6months. Labour lost the election.

    Cameron’s director of comms, left after 8months & went to jail. Tories won.

    Johnson’s chief aide left after 16months. PM was later ousted.

    Not everything has to be “unprecedented”. What happens next 🤷‍♂️


    https://x.com/MattChorley/status/1842996733812572475
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
    You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.

    On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
    Surely misdirecting levelling up cash was Rishi's spiel to be leader. He boasted of it. It's like painting over murals and charging it to the foreign aid budget, or reclassifying pensions as defence spending so we meet our 2%. It might be scandalous but it's not news.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    edited October 6
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The US election is back to evens with Betfair Exchange punters.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

    I can see why Trump might have appeal.

    There was a post here the other day (@Nigelb?) saying how Trump had pledged to restore some confederacy names to key military sites and elsewhere.

    Whilst I'm not a supporter of the Confederacy- nowhere close - I can see why stripping out every single statue of Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have pissed off Southerners, as it's part of their history and identity. I was annoyed even here about the Rhodes Commission to make a detailed submission to them, and that one stayed up.

    There are lots of little things like that about Trump that garner him votes.

    It's 9 military bases that were renamed in 2023.

    Jurisdiction over statues, school names, parks etc is not a federal responsibility.

    So in Georgia there are 201 recognised Confederate memorials still extant for example, including a statue of General Gordon outside the state legislature, despite him being a KKK leader. The state flag is based on the Confederate flag too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials_in_Georgia

    So it isn't accurate to suggest that history is being erased.

    There are 45 schools in Georgia named for Confederates too, some with significant African American student enrollment.
    Well done for spectacularly missing the point.
    What was your point then?

    You mentioned removing statues of Lee and Jackson. That isn't a Federal responsibility
    I was highlighting why Trump has appeal, and why moves like this strike a chord and drive sentiment for him. Many people will view the pressures that led to changes like this as liberal sentiment emanating from Washington that cascades down to the States, and will want their man in there instead to quash it. Whether you think this is "fact" or not is entirely irrelevant; it's the vibe. They have precisely zero interest in any pedantry about what is officially a federal versus a state matter, and the parties and politics often span both in any event.

    But, of course, you know this. You were just being your usual tedious self.
    But… this sort of narrative, which I’m sure has some truth to it, assumes the only voters that matter or have influence over the election are those who’d be annoyed by liberal sentiment.

    The corollary is that there are no voters who might be upset or annoyed by racist sentiment. Or that they don’t matter because they’re in safe Democrat seats. Somewhere like Georgia, I’m not sure that’s true.

    Divisive ideologies tend to drive turnout among their own supporters, and among their opponents.

    The secret - this is where the dog whistle analogy is so powerful - is to appeal to your own ideologies while making sure the other side don’t notice.
    Indeed, such a move may not be popular in Union States such as Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, or with US Army soldiers.
    Renaming a military base, as Trump promised last week, after a traitorous, slave owning incompetent is perhaps not his smartest pledge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braxton_Bragg
    … Bragg is generally considered among the worst generals of the Civil War. Most of the battles he engaged in ended in defeat. Bragg was extremely unpopular with both the officers and ordinary men under his command, who criticized him for numerous perceived faults, including poor battlefield strategy, a quick temper, and overzealous discipline. ..

    Though I grant it’s on brand.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    He also needs to make sure that the seven-day working week is reinstituted. Senior officials in Downing Street do not do ordinary jobs. Their pretence that they do has frustrated and even enraged senior Labour people who can’t contact key personnel when a bad news story starts to break, or when any other emergency needs attention.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/06/if-mcsweeney-cant-fix-starmers-dysfunctional-downing-street/

    It was obvious when Starmer said he’d stop work at 5pm on Friday that it’d be a disaster.
    He didn't say that.
    Sorry, 6pm

    https://fortune.com/europe/2024/07/08/britain-prime-minister-sir-keir-starmer-work-past-6-fridays-good-example/
    Six pm on Friday for Friday night dinner only as I recall.

    A good example of Starmer's comms people asleep at the wheel. And there have been plenty of non-stories which Starmer's people have thoroughly lost control of.

    It's like they didn't realise the Tory's client media wouldn't run with a story whether it was true or not.

    Labour have been very fortunate that Tory MPs have been less inclined towards the mudslinging and left it to Leon and the Telegraph. That will stop once Jenrick becomes LOTO, so not much time to get their act together.
    Nope, it was a total stop on work at 6pm:

    “We’ve had a strategy in place and we’ll try to keep to it, which is to carve out really protected time for the kids, so on a Friday – I’ve been doing this for years – I will not do a work-related thing after 6 o’clock, pretty well come what may. There are a few exceptions, but that’s what we do.”
    It was a view that was quickly rowed back. I never understood it to be the interpretation given by Fortune magazine. If they thought that was realistic we need a coup and a real grafter like Boris brought back to office.
    As I remember at 6 o'clock on a Friday under Johnson it was wine time rather than working.
    6pm, Fat chance of Bozza still being there at that time. He had long since left by the time the cabin bag of pino was being wheeled in.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
    You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.

    On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
    You'll never guess who was the relevant minister...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54498357
    I lost a lot of money betting against Boris who was plainly open to all the same attacks the Tories made against Jeremy Corbyn. I'm trying not to make the same mistake with Robert Jenrick when Labour is attacked for being on the take.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    RobD said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Is the implication that the PM no longer needs to personally bother with the nations or regions?
    "The nations and regions" is Gordon Brown's hobbyhorse. Perhaps Starmer is getting fed up of phone calls from Gordon and has found a way to punish him.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    This has gone viral

    Clip of a Canadian doctor who does euthanasia, chatting about her work

    It has several disturbing moments. For me it is her urgent mirthless laughter as she talks about terminal cancer

    https://x.com/serena_partrick/status/1842623436700450990?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    See what you think. I don’t know where I stand on this sad issue. But the Canadian example gives me doubts
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    “Envoy to the nations and regions” is such an obvious load of wank one wonders if it is actually designed to humiliate her

    If it comes with the £170k salary and gold plated pension I might be able to find a couple of day a week to do the job should the ball come out the back of the scrum....
    How have the regions and nations endured without a prime ministerial envoy hitherto? This appointment is long overdue
    Anybody would think they made up the job at 9.59am on a Sunday when the PR team were all still in bed.
    If Boris Johnson had arrived at such a genius solution you would be pointing at a serious attempt to "level up" the nation.

    Yes I know it's bollocks.
    You seem to have me confused with somebody else. You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me.

    On a more serious note, I am surprised some journalist hasn't done some leg work and had a proper look at where the levelling up money was spent. From personal experience I know of some very interesting places it end up, and certainly not what most people would think required levelling up cash.
    "You will struggle to find a positive post about Boris from me. "

    The thing is, I was against Boris well before he left his role as MoL. I thought he would be a disaster as PM (the role he evidently wanted...) and I think I was right for the correct reasons.

    Having said that, I increasingly find myself defending him in certain ways. Whilst he was nowhere near the Churchill-reincarnated that he saw himself, or the anti-EU hero some of his fanbois saw; he is nowhere near as bad as many of his critics make out. The critics go far too far, to almost stupid levels.
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