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I read that as "Ridley Scott". Was the stabbing filmed with beautiful cinematography and lighting but with a script so bad it made even brutal violence boring?ydoethur said:
Really Scott. That implies they did die.Scott_xP said:
Well, they was Welsh...ydoethur said:
Should be 'they were' not 'they was.'Andy_JS said:
What's the problem with this tweet? I don't see it.williamglenn said:This is a genuine BBC News tweet:
https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1841484989805756516
Teachers stabbed by pupil thought they was going to die
You mean they IS Welsh.1 -
Unai Emery has beaten Bayern Munich for the third time with as many clubs 👔DavidL said:
In terms of precedent does AV beating Bayern Munich not mean that they get presented with the European Cup?DavidL said:
The curse of Kane lives on.Anabobazina said:That is some sort of strike for Villa.
✅ PSG
✅ Villarreal
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Ah, you don’t bet. That rather puts some of your predictions in perspective.JosiasJessop said:
I don't bet (I know, I know...). The thing is, if he was facing a competent Tory party then he'd be in much deeper trouble. But he is not, at least yet - and perhaps not at all, if the new leader isn't very good. As long as the Conservatives remain in chaos, he can do okay.bondegezou said:
So, what’s your betting strategy? There are long odds on Starmer going in 2024/5 available. You could lay Labour majority or most seats at the next general: that’s a long way away, but you can trade on that bet to take profit.JosiasJessop said:
The thing is, there were other problems facing Blair in 1997/8, aside from the Ecclestone mess. They were more minor, but could have been troublesome.Leon said:
No, the difference is that this is relentless, and it started almost from the election, and it has no obvious end. Drip, drip, dripMJW said:
And it took an endless string of scandals - and pretty robust proof he'd lied about several to finish Boris off.Nigel_Foremain said:
It most certainly is NOT small beer. This was always what apologists for Johnson said, and that wasn't small beer either, it was blatant dishonesty combined with incompetence.MJW said:
There are two reasons it's small beer as scandals go - firstly it's a bad look scandal, he's not broken any rules. Unless more comes out there's therefore not a breaking point you can hang a resignation on. Sure it's hit Starmer's ratings but not moved the polls much - if you didn't like Labour before it's confirmed that view, if you're sympathetic to Labour it might make you think less of Starmer but it's not a deal breaker. Secondly none of the opposition parties have clean hands on donations and freebies, and in the Tories' case have far bigger problems if are seen as such.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't regard slurping up over 100k of freebies from someone with an access agenda and also choosing not to prosecute an alleged fraudster because she was a Labour peer small beer.MJW said:
Johnson survived scandal after scandal until eventually his MPs had simply had enough. It seems vanishingly unlikely that'll happen to Starmer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A big majority did not save Johnson nor will it save StarmerAnabobazina said:
In the face of such biting invective from Big G, the bloke on the internet, Sir Keir will simply have to console himself with a bigger majority than any ever achieved by Clem Attlee, Harold Wilson - or any Conservative in history.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is hopeless and has just made it worse as the media are now asking why not the lot and Cabinet Ministers also had concert tickets and Starmer has seriously compromised themAnabobazina said:PB Tories: Sir Keir must pay back the gifts.
Also PB Tories: Sir Keir should not have paid back the gifts.
Funny. Old. World.
You seem to console yourself with the PB Tories meme, but I doubt you can call Burley, Rigby, Peston and others as such
I expect many Labour voters are seriously disappointed in Starmer and one third regret their vote for him
Indeed Sunak's government is more popular than his
Funny. Old. World
People are getting rather overexcited about fairly small beer.
The difference between Starmer and The Clown is that many voters hoped Starmer was a boring straight man who was going to be honest and uncorruptible. He has proved he is nowhere close to that expectation.
If the same keeps happening to Starmer then yes, his MPs will get fed up and want to change leader. But that hasn't happened yet, and so at the moment this is merely damaging to his brand rather than one that could bring down a leader.
As it stands, Labour have been caught out because what was fairly standard practice in Westminster looks very bad from the outside when it's put up there in lights. That's damaging but hardly fatal. Especially when it's fairly easy to deflect by pointing out the other lot are at it just as badly, if not worse.
Recent political history is littered with scandals we breathlessly pored over at the time and thought were hugely consequential, only for them to fade into the background. Blair won two elections after the Ecclestone affair destroyed his "pretty straight kind of guy" pitch. Those of us who loathed Cameron thought he might be finished by his proximity to the main protagonists in the phonehacking scandal. Osborne had his palling around with Deripaska and so on.
This feels more like one of those to date, much as it excites those who viewed Labour and Starmer negatively to start with as it confirms their priors.
In that, it is nothing like Ecclestone
But Blair had several advantages over Starmer: he was personally popular; he had won on a mandate of positivity; and he had a great team around him to spin the message.
Starmer has none of these, as many people pointed out before the election. He won because of the Conservative's woes, not because there was a great fervour for Labour's policies.
IMV that spells big problems for him.
But we need better than okay.1 -
I thought AV was defeated in the referendum.DavidL said:
In terms of precedent does AV beating Bayern Munich not mean that they get presented with the European Cup?DavidL said:
The curse of Kane lives on.Anabobazina said:That is some sort of strike for Villa.
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I hope Middlesex dies. I had paid for my membership for the 2020 season and they just keep the money. No offer of a name on a donor wall if they kept it, like Yorkshire. No future discounts. They just said “tough”. I hope they die and I’ll join the MCC’s new tenant club.tlg86 said:Apologies if already discussed:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/02/middlesexs-long-term-future-lords-doubt-failing-extend-tenancy-cricket
Middlesex’s future at Lord’s is in doubt with the club failing to secure a long-term extension of a tenancy agreement with the MCC that expires this year. After months of talks with the ground’s owners, Middlesex are close to agreeing a 12-month contract that will ensure most of their matches are played at the home of cricket next summer, but the club’s long-term future is uncertain.
Middlesex have been troubled by a number of governance and financial problems in recent years, with senior figures at the MCC believed to have expressed concerns about the way the county are run. There is also understood to be tension between some of the senior figures at the clubs.
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Starmer is no Blair, but does have a habit of proving people wrong because of that slightly plodding unlikability that leads people to underestimate his less showy strengths.JosiasJessop said:
The thing is, there were other problems facing Blair in 1997/8, aside from the Ecclestone mess. They were more minor, but could have been troublesome.Leon said:
No, the difference is that this is relentless, and it started almost from the election, and it has no obvious end. Drip, drip, dripMJW said:
And it took an endless string of scandals - and pretty robust proof he'd lied about several to finish Boris off.Nigel_Foremain said:
It most certainly is NOT small beer. This was always what apologists for Johnson said, and that wasn't small beer either, it was blatant dishonesty combined with incompetence.MJW said:
There are two reasons it's small beer as scandals go - firstly it's a bad look scandal, he's not broken any rules. Unless more comes out there's therefore not a breaking point you can hang a resignation on. Sure it's hit Starmer's ratings but not moved the polls much - if you didn't like Labour before it's confirmed that view, if you're sympathetic to Labour it might make you think less of Starmer but it's not a deal breaker. Secondly none of the opposition parties have clean hands on donations and freebies, and in the Tories' case have far bigger problems if are seen as such.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't regard slurping up over 100k of freebies from someone with an access agenda and also choosing not to prosecute an alleged fraudster because she was a Labour peer small beer.MJW said:
Johnson survived scandal after scandal until eventually his MPs had simply had enough. It seems vanishingly unlikely that'll happen to Starmer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A big majority did not save Johnson nor will it save StarmerAnabobazina said:
In the face of such biting invective from Big G, the bloke on the internet, Sir Keir will simply have to console himself with a bigger majority than any ever achieved by Clem Attlee, Harold Wilson - or any Conservative in history.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is hopeless and has just made it worse as the media are now asking why not the lot and Cabinet Ministers also had concert tickets and Starmer has seriously compromised themAnabobazina said:PB Tories: Sir Keir must pay back the gifts.
Also PB Tories: Sir Keir should not have paid back the gifts.
Funny. Old. World.
You seem to console yourself with the PB Tories meme, but I doubt you can call Burley, Rigby, Peston and others as such
I expect many Labour voters are seriously disappointed in Starmer and one third regret their vote for him
Indeed Sunak's government is more popular than his
Funny. Old. World
People are getting rather overexcited about fairly small beer.
The difference between Starmer and The Clown is that many voters hoped Starmer was a boring straight man who was going to be honest and uncorruptible. He has proved he is nowhere close to that expectation.
If the same keeps happening to Starmer then yes, his MPs will get fed up and want to change leader. But that hasn't happened yet, and so at the moment this is merely damaging to his brand rather than one that could bring down a leader.
As it stands, Labour have been caught out because what was fairly standard practice in Westminster looks very bad from the outside when it's put up there in lights. That's damaging but hardly fatal. Especially when it's fairly easy to deflect by pointing out the other lot are at it just as badly, if not worse.
Recent political history is littered with scandals we breathlessly pored over at the time and thought were hugely consequential, only for them to fade into the background. Blair won two elections after the Ecclestone affair destroyed his "pretty straight kind of guy" pitch. Those of us who loathed Cameron thought he might be finished by his proximity to the main protagonists in the phonehacking scandal. Osborne had his palling around with Deripaska and so on.
This feels more like one of those to date, much as it excites those who viewed Labour and Starmer negatively to start with as it confirms their priors.
In that, it is nothing like Ecclestone
But Blair had several advantages over Starmer: he was personally popular; he had won on a mandate of positivity; and he had a great team around him to spin the message.
Starmer has none of these, as many people pointed out before the election. He won because of the Conservative's woes, not because there was a great fervour for Labour's policies.
IMV that spells big problems for him.
Other factors mattering more are also partly the point - ultimately if the country can plausibly talked about as in better shape in 2028/9 than in 2024 then broadly speaking people will forgive Labour its current woes and write them off as growing pains of getting back into government. If it isn't and Labour stumble through the next 4/5 years then they will be the first evidence they were not up to it and wrong'uns.
Your perception of which is likelier will generally depend on your underlying views about Labour.3 -
Switch the machine off, the BBC is dead.williamglenn said:This is a genuine BBC News tweet:
https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1841484989805756516
Teachers stabbed by pupil thought they was going to die
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I was looking for something deeper than that, lol. Usually I notice grammatical mistakes.DavidL said:
"Teachers" and "they" are plural. "Was" is singular. If a teacher was using the pronoun "they", which I suppose is possible these days, it would be "teacher". Its illiterate. From the BBC. O tempora o mores.Andy_JS said:
What's the problem with this tweet? I don't see it.williamglenn said:This is a genuine BBC News tweet:
https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1841484989805756516
Teachers stabbed by pupil thought they was going to die0 -
Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?4 -
It is more and more obvious that he lacks a deeply political animal in his office (Campbell to Blair or Osborne to Cameron) and lacks those instincts himself.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
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Political divisions feel so intractable and immovable, but Jimmy Carter is still alive and his winning electoral map looks INSANE to a 2020s observer.
https://x.com/aseitzwald/status/18415150410921740615 -
It is increasingly funny just how inept they are.biggles said:
It is more and more obvious that he lacks a deeply political animal in his office (Campbell to Blair or Osborne to Cameron) and lacks those instincts himself.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?3 -
68% v. 32%bondegezou said:
I thought AV was defeated in the referendum.DavidL said:
In terms of precedent does AV beating Bayern Munich not mean that they get presented with the European Cup?DavidL said:
The curse of Kane lives on.Anabobazina said:That is some sort of strike for Villa.
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Wait until the unintended, unpredictable, consequences of the Budget kick in. They always happen.RochdalePioneers said:
It is increasingly funny just how inept they are.biggles said:
It is more and more obvious that he lacks a deeply political animal in his office (Campbell to Blair or Osborne to Cameron) and lacks those instincts himself.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
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The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money and so has Rachel, Ange (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
At the same time, you also get your Malcom Tucker to phone round the journos saying what gifts you had big man, i saw you at Taylor Swift, you wife looks different these days.And i presume you want us to attend your summer party, awards ceremony etc, but no politicians at a sumer politics party is a bit shit isn't it.3 -
Having seen the birthday photos of Predident Carter, I am not entirely convinced that he is alive.Nigelb said:Political divisions feel so intractable and immovable, but Jimmy Carter is still alive and his winning electoral map looks INSANE to a 2020s observer.
https://x.com/aseitzwald/status/1841515041092174061
But it does show how the Electoral map is not set in stone.0 -
Squirrel Covers.viewcode said:
Am I missing something 1: is there something wrong with the word "panties"? Is it now considered archaic, childish or rude? Genuine question.kinabalu said:
Can't believe he just typed it out.ohnotnow said:
I once did a password crack run on our local users back in the early 2000s. Variations on the word 'panties' was the most common password.kinabalu said:
"panties" ...Leon said:
Heteresexual men with no doubts about that sexuality? Yes, you probably have. Not in the mirror, thokinabalu said:
That "panties" ... oh dear.Leon said:
That's.... mind blowinganother_richard said:Has this been mentioned yet:
The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row bailed out a baroness after she was found to have wrongly claimed £125,000 in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
Lord Alli, a multimillionaire former banker and fashion entrepreneur, gave a £62,000 loan to Baroness Uddin more than a decade ago to help her repay the expenses after the Lords authorities ordered her to refund the taxpayer.
Sir Keir Starmer would later announce that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which he ran at the time, would not pursue fraud charges against her.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/lord-alli-lent-62000-to-bail-out-peer-in-expenses-scandal-57rpqg86v
The Labour sleaze snake is now swallowing its own tail.
So the Generous Labour Lord, who underwrites the Labour PM's wife's designer panties, is also saving corrupt Labour MPs from the consequences of their own thievery
You really are a certain type, aren’t you. I've met you so many times.
I'm sure times have changed.
Pretty sure.
Almost sure.
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On penalties. The winner went thru to the Brexit referendum.Sunil_Prasannan said:
68% v. 32%bondegezou said:
I thought AV was defeated in the referendum.DavidL said:
In terms of precedent does AV beating Bayern Munich not mean that they get presented with the European Cup?DavidL said:
The curse of Kane lives on.Anabobazina said:That is some sort of strike for Villa.
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??????????Sunil_Prasannan said:
Squirrel Covers.viewcode said:
Am I missing something 1: is there something wrong with the word "panties"? Is it now considered archaic, childish or rude? Genuine question.kinabalu said:
Can't believe he just typed it out.ohnotnow said:
I once did a password crack run on our local users back in the early 2000s. Variations on the word 'panties' was the most common password.kinabalu said:
"panties" ...Leon said:
Heteresexual men with no doubts about that sexuality? Yes, you probably have. Not in the mirror, thokinabalu said:
That "panties" ... oh dear.Leon said:
That's.... mind blowinganother_richard said:Has this been mentioned yet:
The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row bailed out a baroness after she was found to have wrongly claimed £125,000 in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
Lord Alli, a multimillionaire former banker and fashion entrepreneur, gave a £62,000 loan to Baroness Uddin more than a decade ago to help her repay the expenses after the Lords authorities ordered her to refund the taxpayer.
Sir Keir Starmer would later announce that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which he ran at the time, would not pursue fraud charges against her.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/lord-alli-lent-62000-to-bail-out-peer-in-expenses-scandal-57rpqg86v
The Labour sleaze snake is now swallowing its own tail.
So the Generous Labour Lord, who underwrites the Labour PM's wife's designer panties, is also saving corrupt Labour MPs from the consequences of their own thievery
You really are a certain type, aren’t you. I've met you so many times.
I'm sure times have changed.
Pretty sure.
Almost sure.
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That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…2 -
Are they the next Dodgy Donation who Starmer will have to give back?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Squirrel Covers.viewcode said:
Am I missing something 1: is there something wrong with the word "panties"? Is it now considered archaic, childish or rude? Genuine question.kinabalu said:
Can't believe he just typed it out.ohnotnow said:
I once did a password crack run on our local users back in the early 2000s. Variations on the word 'panties' was the most common password.kinabalu said:
"panties" ...Leon said:
Heteresexual men with no doubts about that sexuality? Yes, you probably have. Not in the mirror, thokinabalu said:
That "panties" ... oh dear.Leon said:
That's.... mind blowinganother_richard said:Has this been mentioned yet:
The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row bailed out a baroness after she was found to have wrongly claimed £125,000 in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
Lord Alli, a multimillionaire former banker and fashion entrepreneur, gave a £62,000 loan to Baroness Uddin more than a decade ago to help her repay the expenses after the Lords authorities ordered her to refund the taxpayer.
Sir Keir Starmer would later announce that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which he ran at the time, would not pursue fraud charges against her.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/lord-alli-lent-62000-to-bail-out-peer-in-expenses-scandal-57rpqg86v
The Labour sleaze snake is now swallowing its own tail.
So the Generous Labour Lord, who underwrites the Labour PM's wife's designer panties, is also saving corrupt Labour MPs from the consequences of their own thievery
You really are a certain type, aren’t you. I've met you so many times.
I'm sure times have changed.
Pretty sure.
Almost sure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-QiVf68o1Uviewcode said:
??????????Sunil_Prasannan said:
Squirrel Covers.viewcode said:
Am I missing something 1: is there something wrong with the word "panties"? Is it now considered archaic, childish or rude? Genuine question.kinabalu said:
Can't believe he just typed it out.ohnotnow said:
I once did a password crack run on our local users back in the early 2000s. Variations on the word 'panties' was the most common password.kinabalu said:
"panties" ...Leon said:
Heteresexual men with no doubts about that sexuality? Yes, you probably have. Not in the mirror, thokinabalu said:
That "panties" ... oh dear.Leon said:
That's.... mind blowinganother_richard said:Has this been mentioned yet:
The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row bailed out a baroness after she was found to have wrongly claimed £125,000 in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
Lord Alli, a multimillionaire former banker and fashion entrepreneur, gave a £62,000 loan to Baroness Uddin more than a decade ago to help her repay the expenses after the Lords authorities ordered her to refund the taxpayer.
Sir Keir Starmer would later announce that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which he ran at the time, would not pursue fraud charges against her.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/lord-alli-lent-62000-to-bail-out-peer-in-expenses-scandal-57rpqg86v
The Labour sleaze snake is now swallowing its own tail.
So the Generous Labour Lord, who underwrites the Labour PM's wife's designer panties, is also saving corrupt Labour MPs from the consequences of their own thievery
You really are a certain type, aren’t you. I've met you so many times.
I'm sure times have changed.
Pretty sure.
Almost sure.
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I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.1 -
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.1 -
I simply do not understand why Starmer thought it best to offer to repay just £6,000 of his freebies, especially at this time when the middle east is very much the storyRochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
Apparently Sky are after Rayner tonight over her trip to a disco
Starmer and Labour need someone to understand now they are in government the media see them as the gotchas, and watching Sky is remarkable how they have moved their gotcha to Labour0 -
Nebraska Senate seat is in play.
Second such poll recently.
Nebraska Senate Polling:
Osborn (I): 47%
Fischer (R): 42%
Bullfinch / Oct 1, 2024 / n=400
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841574298487509360
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"the way the county are run" — what happened to subs?tlg86 said:Apologies if already discussed:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/02/middlesexs-long-term-future-lords-doubt-failing-extend-tenancy-cricket
Middlesex’s future at Lord’s is in doubt with the club failing to secure a long-term extension of a tenancy agreement with the MCC that expires this year. After months of talks with the ground’s owners, Middlesex are close to agreeing a 12-month contract that will ensure most of their matches are played at the home of cricket next summer, but the club’s long-term future is uncertain.
Middlesex have been troubled by a number of governance and financial problems in recent years, with senior figures at the MCC believed to have expressed concerns about the way the county are run. There is also understood to be tension between some of the senior figures at the clubs.1 -
The other trick they should have followed from Cameron handling of expenses, he basically said doesn't matter if within the rules or not, today I have setup an internal star chamber, they will order people to pay back things deemed to be inappropriate. And then they whipped through the shadow cabinet fast and got them out the way.RochdalePioneers said:
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.
Starmer could have easily done this and said then when Lord no-name reports we will go with that guidance. And of course nobody really pays the money back, its just cycled around from central party / new donations.
That would also put focus on other political parties to take some action and have their own freebies highlighted. And you of course drop in some breadcrumbs about how certain MPs on say the Media and Sport select committee always seem to be in the private box of gambling companies.2 -
Blair would have handled it, well let’s say somewhat differently.RochdalePioneers said:
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.
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Think of the poor journalists ear drums though, they would have just had Bad Al scream at them for hours about how he knows they took a freebie to a kinky sex show with their mistress...so don't be thinking about getting on their high horse over some freebie suits.biggles said:
Blair would have handled it, well let’s say somewhat differently.RochdalePioneers said:
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.1 -
They went the same way as lift attendants. They no longer existDecrepiterJohnL said:
"the way the county are run" — what happened to subs?tlg86 said:Apologies if already discussed:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/02/middlesexs-long-term-future-lords-doubt-failing-extend-tenancy-cricket
Middlesex’s future at Lord’s is in doubt with the club failing to secure a long-term extension of a tenancy agreement with the MCC that expires this year. After months of talks with the ground’s owners, Middlesex are close to agreeing a 12-month contract that will ensure most of their matches are played at the home of cricket next summer, but the club’s long-term future is uncertain.
Middlesex have been troubled by a number of governance and financial problems in recent years, with senior figures at the MCC believed to have expressed concerns about the way the county are run. There is also understood to be tension between some of the senior figures at the clubs.2 -
“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.
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And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/0 -
Surely Beavers?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Squirrel Covers.viewcode said:
Am I missing something 1: is there something wrong with the word "panties"? Is it now considered archaic, childish or rude? Genuine question.kinabalu said:
Can't believe he just typed it out.ohnotnow said:
I once did a password crack run on our local users back in the early 2000s. Variations on the word 'panties' was the most common password.kinabalu said:
"panties" ...Leon said:
Heteresexual men with no doubts about that sexuality? Yes, you probably have. Not in the mirror, thokinabalu said:
That "panties" ... oh dear.Leon said:
That's.... mind blowinganother_richard said:Has this been mentioned yet:
The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row bailed out a baroness after she was found to have wrongly claimed £125,000 in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
Lord Alli, a multimillionaire former banker and fashion entrepreneur, gave a £62,000 loan to Baroness Uddin more than a decade ago to help her repay the expenses after the Lords authorities ordered her to refund the taxpayer.
Sir Keir Starmer would later announce that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which he ran at the time, would not pursue fraud charges against her.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/lord-alli-lent-62000-to-bail-out-peer-in-expenses-scandal-57rpqg86v
The Labour sleaze snake is now swallowing its own tail.
So the Generous Labour Lord, who underwrites the Labour PM's wife's designer panties, is also saving corrupt Labour MPs from the consequences of their own thievery
You really are a certain type, aren’t you. I've met you so many times.
I'm sure times have changed.
Pretty sure.
Almost sure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-QiVf68o1UFoxy said:
Surely Beavers?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Squirrel Covers.viewcode said:
Am I missing something 1: is there something wrong with the word "panties"? Is it now considered archaic, childish or rude? Genuine question.kinabalu said:
Can't believe he just typed it out.ohnotnow said:
I once did a password crack run on our local users back in the early 2000s. Variations on the word 'panties' was the most common password.kinabalu said:
"panties" ...Leon said:
Heteresexual men with no doubts about that sexuality? Yes, you probably have. Not in the mirror, thokinabalu said:
That "panties" ... oh dear.Leon said:
That's.... mind blowinganother_richard said:Has this been mentioned yet:
The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row bailed out a baroness after she was found to have wrongly claimed £125,000 in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
Lord Alli, a multimillionaire former banker and fashion entrepreneur, gave a £62,000 loan to Baroness Uddin more than a decade ago to help her repay the expenses after the Lords authorities ordered her to refund the taxpayer.
Sir Keir Starmer would later announce that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which he ran at the time, would not pursue fraud charges against her.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/lord-alli-lent-62000-to-bail-out-peer-in-expenses-scandal-57rpqg86v
The Labour sleaze snake is now swallowing its own tail.
So the Generous Labour Lord, who underwrites the Labour PM's wife's designer panties, is also saving corrupt Labour MPs from the consequences of their own thievery
You really are a certain type, aren’t you. I've met you so many times.
I'm sure times have changed.
Pretty sure.
Almost sure.
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Yes, I don’t think anyone’s saying that the way Labour have (not) spun this is anything other than naive. You are right about that and put it well (and very humorously).FrancisUrquhart said:
Think of the poor journalists ear drums though, they would have just had Bad Al scream at them for hours about how he knows they took a freebie to a kinky sex show with their mistress...so don't be thinking about getting on their high horse over some freebie suits.biggles said:
Blair would have handled it, well let’s say somewhat differently.RochdalePioneers said:
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.
What was getting my goat (and that of others) was the confected, puritanical pearl-clutching on here from the usual subjects. Barring a late declaration for Vic’s frocks (which Sir Keir rectified before any media interest), Labour operated within the rules. More to the point, other parties do exactly the same.
So yes, laugh at the naivety - it is quite funny, granted. But the performative pearl-clutchers should get a life.0 -
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/0 -
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.0 -
Interesting stat: Labour held onto only 71% of their GE2019 vote at GE2024.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-election3 -
Well they ain't going to go to Amazon or Goldman Sachs over their 2 days a week in the office hybrid work requirement are they!williamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/16/amazon-in-person-office-policy
https://www.cityam.com/dont-be-a-twat-goldman-orders-staff-to-work-in-the-office-five-days-a-week/0 -
Whatever happened to Sarah Palin? She was a high-profile (if truly terrible) VP pick, then seemed to disappear rapidly from view.HYUFD said:
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.1 -
Anchored down in Anchorage?Anabobazina said:
Whatever happened to Sarah Palin? She was a high-profile (if truly terrible) VP pick, then seemed to disappear rapidly from view.HYUFD said:
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.0 -
ONS does contain a number of deep experts who can see some greener grass elsewhere.HYUFD said:
Well they ain't going to go to Amazon or Goldman Sachs over their 2 days a week in the office hybrid work requirement are they!williamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/16/amazon-in-person-office-policy
https://www.cityam.com/dont-be-a-twat-goldman-orders-staff-to-work-in-the-office-five-days-a-week/
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Liam Conlon
The Labour MP and the son of Starmer’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, accepted two tickets worth £1,600 to see Taylor Swift at Wembley stadium.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/02/official-register-mps-financial-interests-must-read
Am I the only person not to get freebies to Taylor Swift?7 -
A quick Wiki suggests she launched her own cable channel at some stage. She has also appeared on the Masked Singer, apparently.williamglenn said:
Anchored down in Anchorage?Anabobazina said:
Whatever happened to Sarah Palin? She was a high-profile (if truly terrible) VP pick, then seemed to disappear rapidly from view.HYUFD said:
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.
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I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.1
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You and me both. Don’t want to listen to her sing, but would cheerily work my way through the freebies in the hospitality box.FrancisUrquhart said:Liam Conlon
The Labour MP and the son of Starmer’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, accepted two tickets worth £1,600 to see Taylor Swift at Wembley stadium.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/02/official-register-mps-financial-interests-must-read
Am I the only person not to get freebies to Taylor Swift?
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Interesting. What makes you so sure of her victory?Andy_JS said:I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.
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I'm guessing it's a bad thing - but the link just gives me a paragraph then a 'sign up to read the article' blob.viewcode said:0 -
Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
·
1h
Walz: "There is a reason Mike Pence wasn't on that stage with me ... he chose the constitution over Donald Trump ... Senator Vance made it clear he will always make a different choice."
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1841574656567881748
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And this kids is why Vance was picked by Trump.1 -
Remarkable how Labour have walked into those gotchas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I simply do not understand why Starmer thought it best to offer to repay just £6,000 of his freebies, especially at this time when the middle east is very much the storyRochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
Apparently Sky are after Rayner tonight over her trip to a disco
Starmer and Labour need someone to understand now they are in government the media see them as the gotchas, and watching Sky is remarkable how they have moved their gotcha to Labour
"But..but..but - you can't do that to US!!! We aren't the Tories!!"
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Unless it is not close at all then we face weeks of legal action, unconstitutional behaviour, protest and far far worse out on the streets sadly.Andy_JS said:I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.
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I'm now picturing Ed, fist clenched in rage, half-eaten bacon buttie in the background. "I Could've Been A Contender!".biggles said:
It is more and more obvious that he lacks a deeply political animal in his office (Campbell to Blair or Osborne to Cameron) and lacks those instincts himself.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Bless him.
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He had no shortage of people who would say the same, so it wasn't the only reason.rottenborough said:
Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
·
1h
Walz: "There is a reason Mike Pence wasn't on that stage with me ... he chose the constitution over Donald Trump ... Senator Vance made it clear he will always make a different choice."
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1841574656567881748
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They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
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Couldn't be arsed myself.biggles said:
You and me both. Don’t want to listen to her sing, but would cheerily work my way through the freebies in the hospitality box.FrancisUrquhart said:Liam Conlon
The Labour MP and the son of Starmer’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, accepted two tickets worth £1,600 to see Taylor Swift at Wembley stadium.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/02/official-register-mps-financial-interests-must-read
Am I the only person not to get freebies to Taylor Swift?0 -
It's more understandable when you realise their office is in Wales.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM
Commute takes forever...2 -
No kidding.
"Amazon to increase number of advertisements on Prime Video"
https://www.ft.com/content/f8112991-820c-4e09-bcf4-23b5e0f190a51 -
To be fair to Vance he was very fluent and articulate last night and narrowly won the debate.rottenborough said:
Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
·
1h
Walz: "There is a reason Mike Pence wasn't on that stage with me ... he chose the constitution over Donald Trump ... Senator Vance made it clear he will always make a different choice."
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1841574656567881748
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And this kids is why Vance was picked by Trump.
Trump may well also have picked his successor as GOP nominee, he is not just a Trump diehard and indeed is probably the first VP nominee to be clearly more intelligent than the presidential nominee since Bush picked Cheney0 -
Can't do that as they almost all vote LabourLeon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM0 -
kle5?kle4 said:
Whilst happy for the first born not being killed, as a fifth born I still think we need more pro-later born policies.rottenborough said:
The first born are not to be murdered after all. Hurrah!! Praise the new chancellor.Foxy said:
When the budget finally sees the light of day it will seem like a giveaway budget after all the horror and pearl-clutching for the last 3 months.nova said:
And The Telegraph definitely haven't published hundreds of articles about "possible" tax raids, that Labour have ruled outAlanbrooke said:
Reeves still doing her outright best to trash the economy
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/nervous-shoppers-need-clarity-taxes-says-sainsburys-boss/
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They are based in Newport not Snowdonia!Eabhal said:
It's more understandable when you realise their office is in Wales.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM
Commute takes forever...0 -
BREAKING: Laura Kuenssberg has cancelled her BBC interview with Boris Johnson after sending him the briefing notes by mistake
"It’s very frustrating, and there’s no point pretending it’s anything other than embarrassing and disappointing"
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/18415923119578730231 -
NEW: Voters now say Tories would be better at managing the economy, first CON lead since mid-2022.
🟦 CON 27% (+6)
🟥 LAB 26% (-6)
Via
@YouGov
, 30 Sep (+/- vs 22 July)
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/18415089203234572490 -
Why? He won't have read them....HYUFD said:BREAKING: Laura Kuenssberg has cancelled her BBC interview with Boris Johnson after sending him the briefing notes by mistake
"It’s very frustrating, and there’s no point pretending it’s anything other than embarrassing and disappointing"
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/18415923119578730236 -
woooooshHYUFD said:
They are based in Newport not Snowdonia!Eabhal said:
It's more understandable when you realise their office is in Wales.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM
Commute takes forever...1 -
The County top brass held a 'meet the plebs' Q&A session in the Middlesex Room one tea interval in 2019 during which I questioned the need for such intrusive security at the gates as thoroughgoing bag search and humiliating body pat-down. The CE basically told me to eff off, with which I was more than happy to comply.tlg86 said:Apologies if already discussed:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/02/middlesexs-long-term-future-lords-doubt-failing-extend-tenancy-cricket
Middlesex’s future at Lord’s is in doubt with the club failing to secure a long-term extension of a tenancy agreement with the MCC that expires this year. After months of talks with the ground’s owners, Middlesex are close to agreeing a 12-month contract that will ensure most of their matches are played at the home of cricket next summer, but the club’s long-term future is uncertain.
Middlesex have been troubled by a number of governance and financial problems in recent years, with senior figures at the MCC believed to have expressed concerns about the way the county are run. There is also understood to be tension between some of the senior figures at the clubs.
As luck would have it, next season there was no effing cricket and no effing compensation for the poor effing members, so my departure was one of the very few financially advantageous events of 2020.1 -
ONS also have an office in Hampshire.HYUFD said:
They are based in Newport not Snowdonia!Eabhal said:
It's more understandable when you realise their office is in Wales.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM
Commute takes forever...
So there's an Office for National Statistics office in Hampshire, and an Office for National Statistics office in Newport. That's the Office's offices. I'm sure that's cleared that up. 😃😃😃😃1 -
Stats for Lefties is sharing that? Doesn't seem like positive news for lefties. This is a corker though.HYUFD said:NEW: Voters now say Tories would be better at managing the economy, first CON lead since mid-2022.
🟦 CON 27% (+6)
🟥 LAB 26% (-6)
Via
@YouGov
, 30 Sep (+/- vs 22 July)
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841508920323457249
NEW POLL ~ Popularity of party leaders:
🟪 Nigel Farage: 39%
🟦 Rishi Sunak: 28%
🟥 Keir Starmer: 26%
⬜️ Jeremy Corbyn: 25%
🟧 Ed Davey: 19%
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841151478104289284?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet0 -
They don't consider Starmer a leftiekle4 said:
Stats for Lefties is sharing that? Doesn't seem like positive news for lefties. This is a corker though.HYUFD said:NEW: Voters now say Tories would be better at managing the economy, first CON lead since mid-2022.
🟦 CON 27% (+6)
🟥 LAB 26% (-6)
Via
@YouGov
, 30 Sep (+/- vs 22 July)
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841508920323457249
NEW POLL ~ Popularity of party leaders:
🟪 Nigel Farage: 39%
🟦 Rishi Sunak: 28%
🟥 Keir Starmer: 26%
⬜️ Jeremy Corbyn: 25%
🟧 Ed Davey: 19%
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841151478104289284?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet1 -
Yup. My lack of compensation for 2020 now means I despise the club. I won’t be alone. I do hope the MCC brings in another tenant or takes over.Alphabet_Soup said:
The County top brass held a 'meet the plebs' Q&A session in the Middlesex Room one tea interval in 2019 during which I questioned the need for such intrusive security at the gates as thoroughgoing bag search and humiliating body pat-down. The CE basically told me to eff off, with which I was more than happy to comply.tlg86 said:Apologies if already discussed:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/02/middlesexs-long-term-future-lords-doubt-failing-extend-tenancy-cricket
Middlesex’s future at Lord’s is in doubt with the club failing to secure a long-term extension of a tenancy agreement with the MCC that expires this year. After months of talks with the ground’s owners, Middlesex are close to agreeing a 12-month contract that will ensure most of their matches are played at the home of cricket next summer, but the club’s long-term future is uncertain.
Middlesex have been troubled by a number of governance and financial problems in recent years, with senior figures at the MCC believed to have expressed concerns about the way the county are run. There is also understood to be tension between some of the senior figures at the clubs.
As luck would have it, next season there was no effing cricket and no effing compensation for the poor effing members, so my departure was one of the very few financially advantageous events of 2020.
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Indeed. He's a metropolitan elite lefty: bows the knee, mouths the words, but stops short of anything that looks like redistribution of wealth or moving the burden of taxation to the rich from the poor. He will defend the central tenets of elite politics - suppressing the working class by importing more and more people, not taxing the rich in case they leave, not increasing inheritance tax thus enabling the wealthy to perpetuate their wealth - and add authoritarian measures of his own - the smoking ban, the abandonment of the free speech act, more regulation, more offices of this and that.HYUFD said:
They don't consider Starmer a leftiekle4 said:
Stats for Lefties is sharing that? Doesn't seem like positive news for lefties. This is a corker though.HYUFD said:NEW: Voters now say Tories would be better at managing the economy, first CON lead since mid-2022.
🟦 CON 27% (+6)
🟥 LAB 26% (-6)
Via
@YouGov
, 30 Sep (+/- vs 22 July)
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841508920323457249
NEW POLL ~ Popularity of party leaders:
🟪 Nigel Farage: 39%
🟦 Rishi Sunak: 28%
🟥 Keir Starmer: 26%
⬜️ Jeremy Corbyn: 25%
🟧 Ed Davey: 19%
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841151478104289284?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
We're so far past the 70s we've forgotten what a true lefty looks like and does.0 -
Corbyn for all his faults was a true leftie, Rayner is too, Starmer isn't. Indeed even Brown and Ed Miiband are more leftie than he is.viewcode said:
Indeed. He's a metropolitan elite lefty: bows the knee, mouths the words, but stops short of anything that looks like redistribution of wealth or moving the burden of taxation to the rich from the poor. He will defend the central tenets of elite politics - suppressing the working class by importing more and more people, not taxing the rich in case they leave, not increasing inheritance tax thus enabling the wealthy to perpetuate their wealth - and add authoritarian measures of his own - the smoking ban, the abandonment of the free speech act, more regulation, more offices of this and that.HYUFD said:
They don't consider Starmer a leftiekle4 said:
Stats for Lefties is sharing that? Doesn't seem like positive news for lefties. This is a corker though.HYUFD said:NEW: Voters now say Tories would be better at managing the economy, first CON lead since mid-2022.
🟦 CON 27% (+6)
🟥 LAB 26% (-6)
Via
@YouGov
, 30 Sep (+/- vs 22 July)
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841508920323457249
NEW POLL ~ Popularity of party leaders:
🟪 Nigel Farage: 39%
🟦 Rishi Sunak: 28%
🟥 Keir Starmer: 26%
⬜️ Jeremy Corbyn: 25%
🟧 Ed Davey: 19%
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841151478104289284?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
We're so far past the 70s we've forgotten what a true lefty looks like and does.
So far, Starmer is more interested in targeting unwoke, Brexit voting pensioners (even those on low incomes struggling to stay warm this winter) than he is the rich and high earners. Especially as pensioners still voted Tory in July while many high earners voted Labour, especially in big cities and suburbs1 -
I wouldn't want a freebie to see Taylor Swift (and I wouldn't bother with Oasis as they went off the boil after 96) but if anyone wants to pay for me to see Springsteen next summer, DM's are open! 😂FrancisUrquhart said:Liam Conlon
The Labour MP and the son of Starmer’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, accepted two tickets worth £1,600 to see Taylor Swift at Wembley stadium.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/02/official-register-mps-financial-interests-must-read
Am I the only person not to get freebies to Taylor Swift?1 -
338 is now forecasting a one seat majority for the Conservatives in the British Columbia election on 19th October.
https://338canada.com/bc/0 -
Moat cleaning wasn’t even submitted as an expense claim!FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like
the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.
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You completely miss the pointAnabobazina said:
Yes, I don’t think anyone’s saying that the way Labour have (not) spun this is anything other than naive. You are right about that and put it well (and very humorously).FrancisUrquhart said:
Think of the poor journalists ear drums though, they would have just had Bad Al scream at them for hours about how he knows they took a freebie to a kinky sex show with their mistress...so don't be thinking about getting on their high horse over some freebie suits.biggles said:
Blair would have handled it, well let’s say somewhat differently.RochdalePioneers said:
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.
What was getting my goat (and that of others) was the confected, puritanical pearl-clutching on here from the usual subjects. Barring a late declaration for Vic’s frocks (which Sir Keir rectified before any media interest), Labour operated within the rules. More to the point, other parties do exactly the same.
So yes, laugh at the naivety - it is quite funny, granted. But the performative pearl-clutchers should get a life.
It doesn’t matter if it was in the rules or not. If it is within the rules, then the rules should be changed.
This kind of influence peddling is unacceptable. And Starmer (and others) were wrong to take the gifts4 -
Unlikely to achieve a “wooooosh” at 20 mph!Eabhal said:
woooooshHYUFD said:
They are based in Newport not Snowdonia!Eabhal said:
It's more understandable when you realise their office is in Wales.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM
Commute takes forever...
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Leon must have tipped her as a prospect, I guess?Anabobazina said:
Whatever happened to Sarah Palin? She was a high-profile (if truly terrible) VP pick, then seemed to disappear rapidly from view.HYUFD said:
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.0 -
Wasn't it. I thought like the duck house, the MP just sent in a big wad of receipts and said I would like to claim for what I am allowed to claim. And they weren't paid out. Basically the MPs were rather entitled and lazy, but not on the take.StillWaters said:
Moat cleaning wasn’t even submitted as an expense claim!FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like
the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.
The worst misreporting was the MP (I think a Labour MP) who if I remember correctly had already been in parliament 2 terms, and never claimed for property upgrades. They then finally wanted to upgrade the kitchen, they went and got it all designed and then wrote to the claims office and said ok, I know I am allowed to claim for this sort of work, here is the plan I was given, but actually what is within rules and what isn't. Then after you give me this information, I will decide revisions I should make and then will pay for those remaining things that won't be covered.
The Telegraph still went for him. He even replied to their tactic at the time which was to write and say we got you, story tomorrow, any comment. He produced all the paperwork and they still ran the story.1 -
Not bad, given they only have eight of the 93 seats at the moment.Andy_JS said:338 is now forecasting a one seat majority for the Conservatives in the British Columbia election on 19th October.
https://338canada.com/bc/1 -
Mel Stride got 16 votes in the last round of the contest. I can see his votes being transferred something like this: Tugendhat 8, Cleverly 6, Jenrick 1, Badenoch 1. That would give figures of Jenrick 34, Badenoch 29, Tugendhat 29, Cleverly 27. But we don't know whether Jenrick supporters might "lend" some votes to other candidates in an attempt to effect a particular outcome, such as knocking out Badenoch.0
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What happened, was that Sarah Palin not only lost the Alaska special election for US House in 2023, but in the process demonstrated that in the 3rd decade of the 3rd millennium, she could NOT get herself elected state (or local) dogcatcher up in the Last Frontier.Anabobazina said:
Whatever happened to Sarah Palin? She was a high-profile (if truly terrible) VP pick, then seemed to disappear rapidly from view.HYUFD said:
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.
Which in turn is response to Palin resigning as governor to cash in on her celebrity. Compounded by the comic opera of her family life.
PLUS she's been superceded as right-wing femme fatale by the likes of Kari Lake, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert.2 -
The number of people out of work due to ill health is growing by 300,000 a year, according to fresh analysis by a leading health thinktank.
People of working age who quit their job due to ill health were also three times less likely to return to employment than those in good health, adding to the number of people claiming disability benefits, the Health Foundation said.
The foundation said that, in addition to 4 million working-age people out of work with ill health, there were now 3.9 million people with work-limiting health conditions in employment – an increase of 1.5 million since 2013.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/03/number-of-people-in-uk-out-of-work-due-to-ill-health-growing-by-300000-a-year1 -
Do you have any inside information on the British Columbia election, since it's in your area?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
What happened, was that Sarah Palin not only lost the Alaska special election for US House in 2023, but in the process demonstrated that in the 3rd decade of the 3rd millennium, she could NOT get herself elected state (or local) dogcatcher up in the Last Frontier.Anabobazina said:
Whatever happened to Sarah Palin? She was a high-profile (if truly terrible) VP pick, then seemed to disappear rapidly from view.HYUFD said:
They would vote for a Thatcher clone or PalinNigelb said:“In your lifetime…”
"Do you personally hope that the US elects a woman President in your lifetime?"
All:
Yes: 53%
No: 21%
Yes Among:
Dems: 87%
Independents: 47%
GOP: 21%
YouGov / Oct 1, 2024 / n=1638
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1841568466421035112
Republicans are either very old, or pretty damn misogynist.
Which in turn is response to Palin resigning as governor to cash in on her celebrity. Compounded by the comic opera of her family life.
PLUS she's been superceded as right-wing femme fatale by the likes of Kari Lake, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert.0 -
I see it’s been estimated that each of Iran’s missiles cost about $100,000 to produce, while to shoot them down cost Israel between $1-3,000,000 a time.0
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Wikipedia lists it as $100,000 per interception, similar to the missile cost.IanB2 said:I see it’s been estimated that each of Iran’s missiles cost about $100,000 to produce, while to shoot them down cost Israel between $1-3,000,000 a time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome0 -
It does not really matter because Israel has to stop the missiles whatever the cost, some of which is on Uncle Sam's dime anyway (and it might be the higher cost is for direct US interception of missiles).RobD said:
Wikipedia lists it as $100,000 per interception, similar to the missile cost.IanB2 said:I see it’s been estimated that each of Iran’s missiles cost about $100,000 to produce, while to shoot them down cost Israel between $1-3,000,000 a time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome0 -
That doesn't mean I don't get things right occasionally. Or wrong. But I think I do reasonably.Anabobazina said:
Ah, you don’t bet. That rather puts some of your predictions in perspective.JosiasJessop said:
I don't bet (I know, I know...). The thing is, if he was facing a competent Tory party then he'd be in much deeper trouble. But he is not, at least yet - and perhaps not at all, if the new leader isn't very good. As long as the Conservatives remain in chaos, he can do okay.bondegezou said:
So, what’s your betting strategy? There are long odds on Starmer going in 2024/5 available. You could lay Labour majority or most seats at the next general: that’s a long way away, but you can trade on that bet to take profit.JosiasJessop said:
The thing is, there were other problems facing Blair in 1997/8, aside from the Ecclestone mess. They were more minor, but could have been troublesome.Leon said:
No, the difference is that this is relentless, and it started almost from the election, and it has no obvious end. Drip, drip, dripMJW said:
And it took an endless string of scandals - and pretty robust proof he'd lied about several to finish Boris off.Nigel_Foremain said:
It most certainly is NOT small beer. This was always what apologists for Johnson said, and that wasn't small beer either, it was blatant dishonesty combined with incompetence.MJW said:
There are two reasons it's small beer as scandals go - firstly it's a bad look scandal, he's not broken any rules. Unless more comes out there's therefore not a breaking point you can hang a resignation on. Sure it's hit Starmer's ratings but not moved the polls much - if you didn't like Labour before it's confirmed that view, if you're sympathetic to Labour it might make you think less of Starmer but it's not a deal breaker. Secondly none of the opposition parties have clean hands on donations and freebies, and in the Tories' case have far bigger problems if are seen as such.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't regard slurping up over 100k of freebies from someone with an access agenda and also choosing not to prosecute an alleged fraudster because she was a Labour peer small beer.MJW said:
Johnson survived scandal after scandal until eventually his MPs had simply had enough. It seems vanishingly unlikely that'll happen to Starmer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A big majority did not save Johnson nor will it save StarmerAnabobazina said:
In the face of such biting invective from Big G, the bloke on the internet, Sir Keir will simply have to console himself with a bigger majority than any ever achieved by Clem Attlee, Harold Wilson - or any Conservative in history.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is hopeless and has just made it worse as the media are now asking why not the lot and Cabinet Ministers also had concert tickets and Starmer has seriously compromised themAnabobazina said:PB Tories: Sir Keir must pay back the gifts.
Also PB Tories: Sir Keir should not have paid back the gifts.
Funny. Old. World.
You seem to console yourself with the PB Tories meme, but I doubt you can call Burley, Rigby, Peston and others as such
I expect many Labour voters are seriously disappointed in Starmer and one third regret their vote for him
Indeed Sunak's government is more popular than his
Funny. Old. World
People are getting rather overexcited about fairly small beer.
The difference between Starmer and The Clown is that many voters hoped Starmer was a boring straight man who was going to be honest and uncorruptible. He has proved he is nowhere close to that expectation.
If the same keeps happening to Starmer then yes, his MPs will get fed up and want to change leader. But that hasn't happened yet, and so at the moment this is merely damaging to his brand rather than one that could bring down a leader.
As it stands, Labour have been caught out because what was fairly standard practice in Westminster looks very bad from the outside when it's put up there in lights. That's damaging but hardly fatal. Especially when it's fairly easy to deflect by pointing out the other lot are at it just as badly, if not worse.
Recent political history is littered with scandals we breathlessly pored over at the time and thought were hugely consequential, only for them to fade into the background. Blair won two elections after the Ecclestone affair destroyed his "pretty straight kind of guy" pitch. Those of us who loathed Cameron thought he might be finished by his proximity to the main protagonists in the phonehacking scandal. Osborne had his palling around with Deripaska and so on.
This feels more like one of those to date, much as it excites those who viewed Labour and Starmer negatively to start with as it confirms their priors.
In that, it is nothing like Ecclestone
But Blair had several advantages over Starmer: he was personally popular; he had won on a mandate of positivity; and he had a great team around him to spin the message.
Starmer has none of these, as many people pointed out before the election. He won because of the Conservative's woes, not because there was a great fervour for Labour's policies.
IMV that spells big problems for him.
But we need better than okay.
Do you care to give an example?
But also: let's see one of your recent 'predictions': that there was nothing to see in this bung of gifts from Alli to Labour. No siree. Nothing at all. Move along now...1 -
Clearly you’ve never driven in Newport.HYUFD said:
They are based in Newport not Snowdonia!Eabhal said:
It's more understandable when you realise their office is in Wales.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM
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Thing is, the headline electoral college figures probably won’t be that close, but the popular vote in multiple states will be.rottenborough said:
Unless it is not close at all then we face weeks of legal action, unconstitutional behaviour, protest and far far worse out on the streets sadly.Andy_JS said:I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.
However, unless the close results are all in Republican controlled states and would be decisive to a Harris win, it’s not likely that there will be real barriers to certification.
Interesting to see the Reps are struggling in Nebraska. That’s one of the states with an abortion referendum on the ballot (albeit there is no Dem candidate in the regular election). Would love to see any polling for Missouri on that basis.0 -
Coughecclestonecough.biggles said:
Blair would have handled it, well let’s say somewhat differently.RochdalePioneers said:
The other route is what I expect Labour to do. Self-entitled and assuming they are pure as driven snow cause they’re not the Tories. Streeting can pull that line off. Starmer? Apparently not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wouldn't have gone the but look at them....it doesn't play well, see expenses scandal, it often wasn't the amount of expenses, it was the contempt at putting dirty movies and moat cleaning in as an expense (they didn't even get paid out).RochdalePioneers said:
That’s one route. Boot it into the long grass of a commissionFrancisUrquhart said:
The play for this scandal was obvious....come out straight away, say yes i took these, rules allowed them, but referred myself for investigation (3 months time he is found guilty of nothing more than poor on the paperwork)...but we are a new government, doing things a new way, and determined we are above reproach....so i have paid back all the money (you get the party to do it) and i will be setting up an independent commission on reforming rules over gifts.RochdalePioneers said:Why repay £6k? All that happens now is that every other penny will continue to be under massive scrutiny. Until it all gets repaid.
Did Boris repay the cash? Did Blair?
Who is advising these guys?
Then you get 2-3 days of media coverage and it becomes a boring process story about how Lord or Lady no-name will spend a year considering all this and report back.
The other route? We took the same donations as all politicians get. Ours were fancy geps and a suit and apparently Angie’s Eyebeethoh rave. The Tories took millions and awarded billions to their mates. It’s not equivalent.
But oh no. We get flap and dither and then here’s a small cheque because yes we agree we done wrong. FFS…
And particularly if the pitch is we aren't like the last lot, not wr aren't quite as bad.1 -
Your second suggestion has been classed as sexual harassment and you've been registered for a sensitivity awareness seminar.Leon said:
They’re striking coz they might have to do - shudder - two days in the office a weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Certainly London underground drivers have voted to strike as their wage rise to £70,000 is apparently not enoughwilliamglenn said:And we’re getting a civil service strike over WFH on top of everything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/02/civil-servants-threaten-strike-back-office-push/
SACK THEM ALL. FUCK THEM0 -
Why do you say "the reps are struggling in Nebraska?" I figured it for safe Trump. Dish dirt, please kind sir.ydoethur said:
Thing is, the headline electoral college figures probably won’t be that close, but the popular vote in multiple states will be.rottenborough said:
Unless it is not close at all then we face weeks of legal action, unconstitutional behaviour, protest and far far worse out on the streets sadly.Andy_JS said:I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.
However, unless the close results are all in Republican controlled states and would be decisive to a Harris win, it’s not likely that there will be real barriers to certification.
Interesting to see the Reps are struggling in Nebraska. That’s one of the states with an abortion referendum on the ballot (albeit there is no Dem candidate in the regular election). Would love to see any polling for Missouri on that basis.0 -
Jenrick is the clear favourite - that will attract more than one Stride transfer I think - there won't be a huge appetite to back another loser, even if ideologically one is more aligned with said loser. Badenoch, perhaps not so much, but you never know.Andy_JS said:Mel Stride got 16 votes in the last round of the contest. I can see his votes being transferred something like this: Tugendhat 8, Cleverly 6, Jenrick 1, Badenoch 1. That would give figures of Jenrick 34, Badenoch 29, Tugendhat 29, Cleverly 27. But we don't know whether Jenrick supporters might "lend" some votes to other candidates in an attempt to effect a particular outcome, such as knocking out Badenoch.
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I'm not sure I agree. The imposition of VAT on school fees shows that he's happy to target the rich and high earners, especially through their children.HYUFD said:
Corbyn for all his faults was a true leftie, Rayner is too, Starmer isn't. Indeed even Brown and Ed Miiband are more leftie than he is.viewcode said:
Indeed. He's a metropolitan elite lefty: bows the knee, mouths the words, but stops short of anything that looks like redistribution of wealth or moving the burden of taxation to the rich from the poor. He will defend the central tenets of elite politics - suppressing the working class by importing more and more people, not taxing the rich in case they leave, not increasing inheritance tax thus enabling the wealthy to perpetuate their wealth - and add authoritarian measures of his own - the smoking ban, the abandonment of the free speech act, more regulation, more offices of this and that.HYUFD said:
They don't consider Starmer a leftiekle4 said:
Stats for Lefties is sharing that? Doesn't seem like positive news for lefties. This is a corker though.HYUFD said:NEW: Voters now say Tories would be better at managing the economy, first CON lead since mid-2022.
🟦 CON 27% (+6)
🟥 LAB 26% (-6)
Via
@YouGov
, 30 Sep (+/- vs 22 July)
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841508920323457249
NEW POLL ~ Popularity of party leaders:
🟪 Nigel Farage: 39%
🟦 Rishi Sunak: 28%
🟥 Keir Starmer: 26%
⬜️ Jeremy Corbyn: 25%
🟧 Ed Davey: 19%
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1841151478104289284?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
We're so far past the 70s we've forgotten what a true lefty looks like and does.
So far, Starmer is more interested in targeting unwoke, Brexit voting pensioners (even those on low incomes struggling to stay warm this winter) than he is the rich and high earners. Especially as pensioners still voted Tory in July while many high earners voted Labour, especially in big cities and suburbs
Anyway, let's see if you can still say that it's mostly pensioners who suffer after the Autumn Statement. That'll show where this government is really headed. Everything before that will just be noise.
The one group of people who he clearly loves are public sector workers, especially if heavily unionised. They seem to have walked away with all the spare cash we don't have.0 -
*cough*Floridaabortionreferendum*cough*.....ydoethur said:
Thing is, the headline electoral college figures probably won’t be that close, but the popular vote in multiple states will be.rottenborough said:
Unless it is not close at all then we face weeks of legal action, unconstitutional behaviour, protest and far far worse out on the streets sadly.Andy_JS said:I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.
However, unless the close results are all in Republican controlled states and would be decisive to a Harris win, it’s not likely that there will be real barriers to certification.
Interesting to see the Reps are struggling in Nebraska. That’s one of the states with an abortion referendum on the ballot (albeit there is no Dem candidate in the regular election). Would love to see any polling for Missouri on that basis.0 -
It's the Nebraska Senate race where the Reps are struggling.viewcode said:
Why do you say "the reps are struggling in Nebraska?" I figured it for safe Trump. Dish dirt, please kind sir.ydoethur said:
Thing is, the headline electoral college figures probably won’t be that close, but the popular vote in multiple states will be.rottenborough said:
Unless it is not close at all then we face weeks of legal action, unconstitutional behaviour, protest and far far worse out on the streets sadly.Andy_JS said:I'm convinced Harris is going to win the election, but deciding how close it's going to be is very difficult.
However, unless the close results are all in Republican controlled states and would be decisive to a Harris win, it’s not likely that there will be real barriers to certification.
Interesting to see the Reps are struggling in Nebraska. That’s one of the states with an abortion referendum on the ballot (albeit there is no Dem candidate in the regular election). Would love to see any polling for Missouri on that basis.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/independent-union-leader-shakes-final-weeks-nebraska-senate/story?id=1143581170 -
If it is that close, it would be risky for Jenrick to "lend" votes elsewhere. If he actually got fewer votes in this round than in the previous one, it would be a very bad look.Andy_JS said:Mel Stride got 16 votes in the last round of the contest. I can see his votes being transferred something like this: Tugendhat 8, Cleverly 6, Jenrick 1, Badenoch 1. That would give figures of Jenrick 34, Badenoch 29, Tugendhat 29, Cleverly 27. But we don't know whether Jenrick supporters might "lend" some votes to other candidates in an attempt to effect a particular outcome, such as knocking out Badenoch.
I know it is a boring narrative, but I think MPs will just vote for their preference.2
