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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314

    An inexperienced Secret Service agent was stuck on a drone helpline during the attempted assassination of Donald Trump at a rally, a Senate investigation has found.

    The report also found that there was no clear chain of command among the Secret Service and other security agencies and no plan for coverage of the building. Officials were operating on multiple, separate radio channels, leading to missed communications.

    Not exactly like the Hollywood movies / shows....Kiefer Sutherland stuck on the helpline to DJI...your call is important to us, please hold....tick tick tick...screen fades to timer....23hrs remain....will Keifer get through in time for dinner find out next week on the all new season of 24.

    That report comes across really badly for USSS, to the point where the conspiracy theories will start to be thought of as plausible.
  • PB Lefties on SKS's hypocrisy:

    "Of course he should accept a £20,000 bung just so his son's exams won't be disrupted."

    Also PB Lefties:

    "Ha ha ha ha. Look at all those poor rich kids having their educations disrupted because they're having to move schools because of VAT on school fees."

    (BTW, apparently the impact assessment on the change has not yet been done...)

    Yeah that's exactly what everyone said. Or was it?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    edited September 26

    Taz said:
    That's clever. Trump is trying to associate the GOP's unpopular Project 2025 with Kamala Harris.
    Looking at it, how many of those are simply untrue? And how many of the rest are heavily exaggerated?


    https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1839135960027599177?s=61
  • MattW said:

    A veery interesting conversation (10 minutes) on the Rest is Politics podcast, around 'Labour’s freebie fiasco'.

    Lord Wahid Alli is described as a "Father Christmas" figure :smile: .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8n_Gh173C8&t=1436s

    90 days to Christmas!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    If there’s one thing I’ve learned in a long life, it’s this: never eat “candied salmon”
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    edited September 26

    PB Lefties on SKS's hypocrisy:

    "Of course he should accept a £20,000 bung just so his son's exams won't be disrupted."

    Also PB Lefties:

    "Ha ha ha ha. Look at all those poor rich kids having their educations disrupted because they're having to move schools because of VAT on school fees."

    (BTW, apparently the impact assessment on the change has not yet been done...)

    Yeah that's exactly what everyone said. Or was it?
    Go back and read the conversations when @Casino_Royale said his child(/ren)'s school was closing. There was zero sympathy from a lot of people on here, and a heck of a lot of denial.

    But it's one rule for Starmer, another rule for us plebs.
    Hang on, the issue was that the reason given didn’t reflect the reality - that school had serious problems and the VAT change was the last straw not the primary cause.. my comment was that the school simply wasn’t being honest and the timing was very suspicious

    As for these freebies, I can see why SKS does it but none of it is a great look and raises questions on his common sense if nothing else..

    What I will say is that MP’s treatment of freebies is clearly to how other firms have reacted to the Bribery act so changes are required in a hurry.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    eek said:

    PB Lefties on SKS's hypocrisy:

    "Of course he should accept a £20,000 bung just so his son's exams won't be disrupted."

    Also PB Lefties:

    "Ha ha ha ha. Look at all those poor rich kids having their educations disrupted because they're having to move schools because of VAT on school fees."

    (BTW, apparently the impact assessment on the change has not yet been done...)

    Yeah that's exactly what everyone said. Or was it?
    Go back and read the conversations when @Casino_Royale said his child(/ren)'s school was closing. There was zero sympathy from a lot of people on here, and a heck of a lot of denial.

    But it's one rule for Starmer, another rule for us plebs.
    Hang on, the issue was that the reason given didn’t reflect the reality - that school had serious problems and the VAT change was the last straw not the primary cause.. my comment was that the school simply wasn’t being honest and the timing was very suspicious
    I have zero doubt that the VAT changes were part of the school's problem; not all of the problem, certainly. But the straw that broke the camel's back? Quite possibly. So a causal factor.

    And as I said, the pile-on onto CR did not show PB at its best. Zero sympathy from some people.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
  • Bridget Phillipson has told private schools that they must not reduce their bursary offering as a result of the VAT change
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    Andy_JS said:

    "Allison Pearson
    I knew about Fayed’s sex abuse but was silenced by a system that protects the rich
    The same laws that saved Jimmy Savile from jail allowed Mohamed Fayed to escape justice"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/25/mohamed-fayed-allegations-truth0/

    I wonder if it is a case, like Savile, it is more that people had heard rumours rather than knew for a fact.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    edited September 26
    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That's clever. Trump is trying to associate the GOP's unpopular Project 2025 with Kamala Harris.
    Yes it is.

    Trump seems to be, belatedly, upping his game,
    Except, the Kamala Harris Project 2025 is a Republican fiction.

    The Republican Project 2025 is a 900-page real thing. A project for autocracy - polling "lower than whale shit"...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    He didn’t see it as a “good investment” - which is why he strived not to buy it after initial interest (but fucked up, legally)

    He now says he paid $44bn as “the price of free speech” not the “the price of TwiX”

    An arguable point
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Does he beat raccoons to death with a baseball bat?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    MattW said:

    Taz said:
    That's clever. Trump is trying to associate the GOP's unpopular Project 2025 with Kamala Harris.
    Looking at it, how many of those are simply untrue? And how many of the rest are heavily exaggerated?


    https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1839135960027599177?s=61
    With the exception of “Pack the Supreme Court” and “Federal Takeover of Elections”, they’re all things that Harris and senior Democrats are either doing now, have proposed in the past, or Harris has previously supported on tape. The phrases used are true whilst using the most unfavourable phrase possible, as with most political ads in the US.

    I’m not sure where the other two come from, presumably some Dem think tank or politicians, in the same vein as the Project 2025 that the Democrats are doing their best to tie to Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    Starmer is in serious trouble


    🔺 Update: Sir Keir Starmer used a Labour donor’s £18 million penthouse to urge the public to work from home during the pandemic and for an address to mark the Queen’s death ⬇️

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1839191227083722799?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,872
    I realize this is of no interest to anyone except me, but I just watched LAFC beat Sporting Kansas City to win the US equivalent of the FA Cup, the US Open Cup.

    Jump for LA Football Club, Ole!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKAyfwcHHw0
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,690

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    Bookmark this one. Contender for the most stupid post of the year.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    moonshine said:

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    Bookmark this one. Contender for the most stupid post of the year.
    Why? Do you deny that Musk has badly damaged Twitter, and his own investment in it?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    PB Lefties on SKS's hypocrisy:

    "Of course he should accept a £20,000 bung just so his son's exams won't be disrupted."

    Also PB Lefties:

    "Ha ha ha ha. Look at all those poor rich kids having their educations disrupted because they're having to move schools because of VAT on school fees."

    (BTW, apparently the impact assessment on the change has not yet been done...)

    This is also from the man who claims he wouldn't pay for private healthcare if one of his loved ones needed it due to his socialist principles.....

    Complex character is our Keir...
    Perhaps he wouldn't pay as someone else will pay instead ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    moonshine said:

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    Bookmark this one. Contender for the most stupid post of the year.
    How far up has the stock market in general moved in the time that Twitter/X has fallen by 71%?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That's clever. Trump is trying to associate the GOP's unpopular Project 2025 with Kamala Harris.
    Yes it is.

    Trump seems to be, belatedly, upping his game,
    Except, the Kamala Harris Project 2025 is a Republican fiction.

    The Republican Project 2025 is a 900-page real thing. A project for autocracy - polling "lower than whale shit"...
    I doubt the people this is aimed it will sit and think this. I suspect this ad will hit home with some of its target demographic. It does not have to be factually true. Exaggerations during elections are not unheard of. As we heard in the last election here. All parties were less than 100% factual.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    Point being it's actionable, defamatory lies which have caused obvious harm (numerous bomb threats, for example) - but courts give a very wide discretion for what they see as political (and therefore protected) speech, lies or not.
    So it's not unlikely that a court sympathetic to Trump might rule against at the prosecution.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
  • Leon said:

    Starmer is in serious trouble


    🔺 Update: Sir Keir Starmer used a Labour donor’s £18 million penthouse to urge the public to work from home during the pandemic and for an address to mark the Queen’s death ⬇️

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1839191227083722799?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The pre-recorded message was broadcast on BBC One at 7pm on Dec 13 2021. Under Covid guidance that came into force that day, people were advised to work from home where possible. It is unclear when the video was actually filmed.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/25/starmer-covid-broadcast-work-from-home-lord-alli-flat/ (£££)

    It looks like there is enough wiggle room there.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    edited September 26
    Those saying Musk is bad at investments, bit of a clue that might be a bit wide of the mark in the fact he is "world's richest man"....

    Yes he has been acting a dick on twitter, but he runs numerous successful companies, particular in electric cars, batteries etc....and a big plank of Labour government is supposed green growth. I would have thought perhaps might be a good idea to see if he has anything useful to add.

    So we cut our nose off to spite our face, why the French and German's roll out the red carpet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    Leon said:

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    He didn’t see it as a “good investment” - which is why he strived not to buy it after initial interest (but fucked up, legally)

    He now says he paid $44bn as “the price of free speech” not the “the price of TwiX”

    An arguable point
    He didn't pay it on his own either, he is one of many investors including Bill Ackman who has said he is perfectly happy with his investment on more than one occasion.
  • NEW THREAD

  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    eek said:

    PB Lefties on SKS's hypocrisy:

    "Of course he should accept a £20,000 bung just so his son's exams won't be disrupted."

    Also PB Lefties:

    "Ha ha ha ha. Look at all those poor rich kids having their educations disrupted because they're having to move schools because of VAT on school fees."

    (BTW, apparently the impact assessment on the change has not yet been done...)

    Yeah that's exactly what everyone said. Or was it?
    Go back and read the conversations when @Casino_Royale said his child(/ren)'s school was closing. There was zero sympathy from a lot of people on here, and a heck of a lot of denial.

    But it's one rule for Starmer, another rule for us plebs.
    Hang on, the issue was that the reason given didn’t reflect the reality - that school had serious problems and the VAT change was the last straw not the primary cause.. my comment was that the school simply wasn’t being honest and the timing was very suspicious
    I have zero doubt that the VAT changes were part of the school's problem; not all of the problem, certainly. But the straw that broke the camel's back? Quite possibly. So a causal factor.

    And as I said, the pile-on onto CR did not show PB at its best. Zero sympathy from some people.
    The pile on onto CR was doing on to him what he had done to others - shall we just say he doesn't have much (any) sympathy with views that don't reflect his own.

    However I do hope he can find the sort of job he wants abroad as I suspect that's the best option for him.
  • Leon said:

    Starmer is in serious trouble


    🔺 Update: Sir Keir Starmer used a Labour donor’s £18 million penthouse to urge the public to work from home during the pandemic and for an address to mark the Queen’s death ⬇️

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1839191227083722799?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The pre-recorded message was broadcast on BBC One at 7pm on Dec 13 2021. Under Covid guidance that came into force that day, people were advised to work from home where possible. It is unclear when the video was actually filmed.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/25/starmer-covid-broadcast-work-from-home-lord-alli-flat/ (£££)

    It looks like there is enough wiggle room there.
    The TLDR is that Starmer is a proven lawyer. He is unlikely to do things that actually break rules, even when he does things that feel like they ought to be against the rules.

    As for the Telegraph piece... Written by a cad, my new favourite phrase.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    edited September 26

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
    If you mean those who were creators for Tenet Media such as Dave Rubin, the FBI was very clear in saying that they were unknowing victims of the operation, over which Tenet had no editorial control.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands

    As for Loomer, I started following her a week ago after the liberal media started running hit pieces on her for the crime of sharing a plane with Trump. She’s actually a proper journalist who’s been behind a number of recent stories unfavourable to Democrats. She’s an American Guido type.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205

    Those saying Musk is bad at investments, bit of a clue that might be a bit wide of the mark in the fact he is "world's richest man"....

    Yes he has been acting a dick on twitter, but he runs numerous successful companies, particular in electric cars, batteries etc....and a big plank of Labour government is supposed green growth. I would have thought perhaps might be a good idea to see if he has anything useful to add.

    So we cut our nose off to spite our face, why the French and German's roll out the red carpet.

    Musk got very lucky in 2008, his annus horribilis. And just because someone is good in one area, does not mean he is good in another. Worse, any investment or growth 'advice' he would give would not be to his advantage, no-one else's.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
    If you mean those who were creators for Tenet Media such as Dave Rubin, the FBI was very clear in saying that they were unknowing victims of the operation.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands
    Yeah, but that's not the question. The question is whether they took 'advice' on what to say from their paymasters.

    And I think the answer is a firm yes.

    But as I say, they were in the pay of Russia. Thanks for agreeing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209
    Taz said:


    Andy_JS said:

    "Allison Pearson
    I knew about Fayed’s sex abuse but was silenced by a system that protects the rich
    The same laws that saved Jimmy Savile from jail allowed Mohamed Fayed to escape justice"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/25/mohamed-fayed-allegations-truth0/

    I wonder if it is a case, like Savile, it is more that people had heard rumours rather than knew for a fact.
    Taz, you only had to look at Saville to know he was a wrong un
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,981

    Bridget Phillipson has told private schools that they must not reduce their bursary offering as a result of the VAT change

    Clueless
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
    If you mean those who were creators for Tenet Media such as Dave Rubin, the FBI was very clear in saying that they were unknowing victims of the operation.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands
    Yeah, but that's not the question. The question is whether they took 'advice' on what to say from their paymasters.

    And I think the answer is a firm yes.

    But as I say, they were in the pay of Russia. Thanks for agreeing.
    The FBI described them as victims. To suggest otherwise is, a word I use very sparingly, a lie.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700

    Bridget Phillipson has told private schools that they must not reduce their bursary offering as a result of the VAT change

    Clueless
    That doesn't sound very enforcible, short of using such a move as a basis for challenging Charitable Status.
  • Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
    If you mean those who were creators for Tenet Media such as Dave Rubin, the FBI was very clear in saying that they were unknowing victims of the operation, over which Tenet had no editorial control.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands

    As for Loomer, I started following her a week ago after the liberal media started running hit pieces on her for the crime of sharing a plane with Trump. She’s actually a proper journalist who’s been behind a number of recent stories unfavourable to Democrats. She’s an American Guido type.
    Yep, that ‘White House will smell of curry’ one was worthy of a Pulitzer.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    Wheels within wheels (and the US Judicial System), the trial of Trump's alleged attempted assassin at the golf course is being tried before ... Judge Aileen Cannon.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/routh-trump-cannon-florida-assassin-b2618464.html
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
    If you mean those who were creators for Tenet Media such as Dave Rubin, the FBI was very clear in saying that they were unknowing victims of the operation.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands
    Yeah, but that's not the question. The question is whether they took 'advice' on what to say from their paymasters.

    And I think the answer is a firm yes.

    But as I say, they were in the pay of Russia. Thanks for agreeing.
    The FBI described them as victims. To suggest otherwise is, a word I use very sparingly, a lie.
    They may not have 'known' Tenet Media were Russian-backed, but they would have well known what they were being told to say was Russian propaganda.

    Russian propaganda you support and propagate.

    Your position of supposedly being pro-Ukraine and pro-Trump is becoming increasingly farcical. I suggest if anyone is 'lying', it is you.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    eek said:

    eek said:

    PB Lefties on SKS's hypocrisy:

    "Of course he should accept a £20,000 bung just so his son's exams won't be disrupted."

    Also PB Lefties:

    "Ha ha ha ha. Look at all those poor rich kids having their educations disrupted because they're having to move schools because of VAT on school fees."

    (BTW, apparently the impact assessment on the change has not yet been done...)

    Yeah that's exactly what everyone said. Or was it?
    Go back and read the conversations when @Casino_Royale said his child(/ren)'s school was closing. There was zero sympathy from a lot of people on here, and a heck of a lot of denial.

    But it's one rule for Starmer, another rule for us plebs.
    Hang on, the issue was that the reason given didn’t reflect the reality - that school had serious problems and the VAT change was the last straw not the primary cause.. my comment was that the school simply wasn’t being honest and the timing was very suspicious
    I have zero doubt that the VAT changes were part of the school's problem; not all of the problem, certainly. But the straw that broke the camel's back? Quite possibly. So a causal factor.

    And as I said, the pile-on onto CR did not show PB at its best. Zero sympathy from some people.
    The pile on onto CR was doing on to him what he had done to others - shall we just say he doesn't have much (any) sympathy with views that don't reflect his own.

    However I do hope he can find the sort of job he wants abroad as I suspect that's the best option for him.
    Piling onto CR over that was just nasty. But at least you admit it was about the poster, rather than the topic.

    Would you pile onto a poster you did not like if they'd had a bereavement? Just testing your boundaries...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Allison Pearson
    I knew about Fayed’s sex abuse but was silenced by a system that protects the rich
    The same laws that saved Jimmy Savile from jail allowed Mohamed Fayed to escape justice"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/25/mohamed-fayed-allegations-truth0/

    Topical:

    “Like The Godfather’s Don Corleone, to whom Penny Simpson compares him, Fayed would shower the powerful and famous with gifts and freebies; favours he could call in at any time.

    There were 30 flats at 60 Park Lane and many household names enjoyed his hospitality.“
    Full piece:
    https://archive.ph/IOPuD

    There's a fair amount in there, but I'd say the main indictment is of the UK media, the Met Police, former Met and BBC staff, and aspects of the UK system. There are also questions about 'everyday' people willing to collude in silence.

    How many more 'Al-Fayeds' are there still in place. hiding in plain sight?

    Back in the early eighties, long before Fayed bought Harrods, his then PA and air stewardess, Penelope Simpson, told me that Friday nights were always “play night”. Fayed would get a call at the same time each week from a phonebox and a woman would make arrangements to drop off a young girl who would be paid in cash. “The teenage girls were clearly coming from a private school,” Simpson recalled. Fayed did like his victims to be well-spoken.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,700
    edited September 26
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Criminal charges laid against Trump and Vance by Haitian Citizens in Ohio.

    This is by a nonprofit, and I'd say it is the Ohio equivalent of a Private Prosecution in this country.

    (Apologies if this is a repost.)

    https://news.sky.com/story/haitian-immigrant-group-files-criminal-charges-against-trump-and-vance-over-springfield-pet-eating-claims-13221652

    A possible problem with this is that it might be appealed to the Supreme Court in 1st Amendment grounds. And the current lot might well rule there's a right to such inflammatory lies by politicians ?
    I think that may be a stretch. An action by private citizens against a man who has not been President since 2020 in a State Court.

    But yes, the only way of guaranteeing Trump to be at least partially tried is for him not to be President.
    “Private Citizens” led by lawyer Subodh Chandra, who has close ties to the Democrat party and is close friends with Doug Emhoff. At best, he’s an American Jolyon Maugham.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1839088226096787877
    Well they're hardly going to retain one of Trump's mates, are they ?

    And if you're following Laura Loonie, you've got problems.
    He also follows and links to posters known to be in the pay of Russia.
    If you mean those who were creators for Tenet Media such as Dave Rubin, the FBI was very clear in saying that they were unknowing victims of the operation, over which Tenet had no editorial control.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-rt-employees-indicted-covertly-funding-and-directing-us-company-published-thousands

    As for Loomer, I started following her a week ago after the liberal media started running hit pieces on her for the crime of sharing a plane with Trump. She’s actually a proper journalist who’s been behind a number of recent stories unfavourable to Democrats. She’s an American Guido type.
    You're gentle on Loomer there. She used to work for Alex Jones at Infowars - a Loomertic.

    I think the key thing on the Ohio case I mentioned is the next step in the process, when they gewt (or don't get) permission from the appropriate State Court to proceed with their action. That part of the process is analagous to the UK, where a private criminal action also requires "permission from the Court", aiui.

    That's assuming that, unlike Great Jumping Jolyon on at least one occasion, they don't sink their own case by filing the paperwork one day late.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,690

    moonshine said:

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    Bookmark this one. Contender for the most stupid post of the year.
    Why? Do you deny that Musk has badly damaged Twitter, and his own investment in it?
    “Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment”.

    A simply moronic statement.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    That growth agenda seems to be down the list of importance....France and Germany make sure he is included.

    The world's richest person, Elon Musk, has not been invited to the UK government's International Investment Summit in response to his social media posts during last month’s riots, the BBC understands.

    He is a regular at the equivalent French summit. In July, he attended a three-hour lunch with top executives with President Emmanuel Macron ahead of the Olympics earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

    Given Twitter has fallen by 71% in value since Musk took over, it seems reasonable to assume that Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment.
    Bookmark this one. Contender for the most stupid post of the year.
    Why? Do you deny that Musk has badly damaged Twitter, and his own investment in it?
    “Musk is not someone with much useful to say on the topic of good investment”.

    A simply moronic statement.
    Why? Please detail your thoughts, especially in context of the Twitter purchase.
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