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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,419
    KnightOut said:


    Changi is the Robert Jenrick of airports. Try as I might, I just can't see the appeal.

    Yes, passport control gave me a small boiled sweet, but I had to walk a huge distance in a very short time between connecting flights immediately after disembarking, which wasn't enjoyable.

    I also dislike Dubai which some rave about.

    Give me a medium-sized US airport with an on-site microbrewery every time.
    Doha is best: they have a swimming pool, so you can do 40 laps while you wait for your connection.
  • Leon said:

    One of his problems is he immediately gets defensive and prickly, and refuses to take questions, and that makes him look even guiltier, and he is completely devoid of charm, smarm or humour

    Blair would have said Shucks, sorry, ah well, and smiled, and you'd warm to him anyway; Boris would have blustered then told a joke and distracted everyone (tho he ran out of jokes in the end)

    This is at the BEGINNING of Starmer's premiership and he looks like an exhausted batsman who has been at the crease all day and is now wearily fending off the bowling

    What's more, Beth Rigby didn't even ask him the obvious, punitive question: "Prime Minister, you say you claimed this flat for your son's GCSEs, but the dates don't match, those exams finished nearly a month before you handed the flat back. What did you really use the flat for?"
    What is the mechanism by which this brings down the Prime Minister when freebies did not bring down Blair or Boris, and when it is almost impossible to depose a Labour leader even in Opposition?

    And why are the Conservative leadership contenders not wading in even though mortally wounding the Prime Minister would ensure their victory?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Nigelb said:

    OTOH, Netanyahu is doing his best for Trump.

    Israel preparing for possible ground offensive in Lebanon, military chief says
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/25/israel-hezbollah-beirut-tel-aviv-lebanon-cross-border-conflict-expands

    That’s the concern for Harris . Trump will be telling everyone it would be all lovely and peaceful if he was still President.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    geoffw said:

    "I've got a mandate to change the country ... "
    True, on the votes of 17.5% of UK adults

    It's one of his favourite lines. Amazed no journo points out he got less than 34% of the (low turnout) vote.

    He's there on sufferance, his mandate is entirely legal with none of the popular unpinnings the word is intended to convey.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still on the waiting list to graduate from Red to Silver membership.
    From I can tell, the benefits of Silver membership were largely made redundant by the dreaded ballot.
  • ...

    What is the mechanism by which this brings down the Prime Minister when freebies did not bring down Blair or Boris, and when it is almost impossible to depose a Labour leader even in Opposition?

    And why are the Conservative leadership contenders not wading in even though mortally wounding the Prime Minister would ensure their victory?
    Haven't you answered your own question?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592

    What donations will he be defending in the next interview? Tune in next week for another thrilling installment.
    Staggering they didn't get it all out on the table the first time they were eating @%^& over this. Now genuinely feels possible there's just going to be a further stream of venial corruption revealed every other day.
  • Andy_JS said:

    He's not that funny unless you're a left-winger.
    He's very mildly Woke critical.

    I saw him absolutely rinse rainbow-flag coffee cups once. Brilliantly.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    What is the mechanism by which this brings down the Prime Minister when freebies did not bring down Blair or Boris, and when it is almost impossible to depose a Labour leader even in Opposition?

    And why are the Conservative leadership contenders not wading in even though mortally wounding the Prime Minister would ensure their victory?
    It did bring down Boris - the self obsession entirely absorbed the government, and they did nothing otherwise. Or perhaps worse they just did the easiest thing otherwise.

    Boris could have been a good, perhaps even a great PM, and yet he spent all of his time pondering his own navel.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741
    nico679 said:

    That’s the concern for Harris . Trump will be telling everyone it would be all lovely and peaceful if he was still President.
    How the actual f*** does that work - Trump has a direct line to the leadership of Hezbollah and could have stopped October 7th?
  • I posted my dinner plans, but swapped sausages for hostages, and got fifteen likes (so far)

    It's not even a clever joke; the unfunny nonsense I posted to jobbyjob earlier about bells and pies had more thought put into it

    But Sir Keir is so awful that his sausages are the sharpest thing about him; they're the only thing that's cut through
  • What is the mechanism by which this brings down the Prime Minister when freebies did not bring down Blair or Boris, and when it is almost impossible to depose a Labour leader even in Opposition?

    And why are the Conservative leadership contenders not wading in even though mortally wounding the Prime Minister would ensure their victory?
    Re your last paragraph why would they when the media are doing it for them

    Mind you the party conference could be very interesting this weekend
  • Nigelb said:

    OTOH, Netanyahu is doing his best for Trump.

    Israel preparing for possible ground offensive in Lebanon, military chief says
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/25/israel-hezbollah-beirut-tel-aviv-lebanon-cross-border-conflict-expands

    A wise leader would not be looking to have two ground fronts in play at once...
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    eek said:

    How the actual f*** does that work - Trump has a direct line to the leadership of Hezbollah and could have stopped October 7th?
    It doesn’t but facts don’t matter to a large section of USA voters. We’re not dealing with rational people .
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Don’t forget my fellow political junkies the VP debate is on next Tuesday night . I ordinarily wouldn’t stay up for a VP debate but this one could be a lot more interesting and there’s bound to be fireworks .
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    What is the mechanism by which this brings down the Prime Minister when freebies did not bring down Blair or Boris, and when it is almost impossible to depose a Labour leader even in Opposition?

    And why are the Conservative leadership contenders not wading in even though mortally wounding the Prime Minister would ensure their victory?
    It’s very hard to bring down a leader of the Labour Party. But it is relatively trivial to bring down a Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

    There is certainly a timeline where Sir Sausage gets ousted by the Labour Left, with the moderates too disallusioned by how crap he is to put up the fight to save him. I’d say it’s actually quite likely, big majorities make for rowdy backbenches.

    As hard as it might be for me to believe today, the day might come in this parliament where I am rather wistful for those heady days when Starmer was in charge, rather than the pro Hamas wing of the Labour Party.
  • Omnium said:

    I really hope we don't return to the situation that we had under Boris where politics simply became about defending Boris.

    It's ridiculous that he took free clothes and all the rest of it. (Although I do think the football stuff is ok.)

    We need to look at the laws so that attempted bribery of an MP gets you locked up.
    The problem with the Alli / Labour mess is that he is now, essentially, Labour.

    It's not like the good olde days, when a developer gave a brown envelope to a minister so a certain development went ahead - or another one did not. Or someone pays for a vote. That's relatively easy to show cause and effect.

    In Alli's case, AIUI he's splurged hundreds of thousands - perhaps millions - at loads of Labour MPs and the party as a whole. One of his people was involved with selecting candidates; he helped Sue Gray's son get elected. His fingers are everywhere, and working out what, if anything, he got, or hoped to get, for his influence will be exceptionally tricky.

    Even if he was doing it for thoroughly altruistic reasons, it looks terrible and such behavious should be stamped on. Because even if Alli is with the angels, the next one might not.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    I posted my dinner plans, but swapped sausages for hostages, and got fifteen likes (so far)

    It's not even a clever joke; the unfunny nonsense I posted to jobbyjob earlier about bells and pies had more thought put into it

    But Sir Keir is so awful that his sausages are the sharpest thing about him; they're the only thing that's cut through

    Is it because he has big sausage fingers and cheeks that look like overcooked mashed potato? Allegedly.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,163
    edited September 2024

    He's very mildly Woke critical.

    I saw him absolutely rinse rainbow-flag coffee cups once. Brilliantly.
    Some of the best jokes at the fringe this year were lefties taking the piss out of their fellow lefties. Ultimately people are all hypocrites to a certain degree, which is a rich vein for comedy (and indeed for people attacking Labour at the moment).

    It works better than the humourless fury of a Daily Mail reader.
  • I posted my dinner plans, but swapped sausages for hostages, and got fifteen likes (so far)

    It's not even a clever joke; the unfunny nonsense I posted to jobbyjob earlier about bells and pies had more thought put into it

    But Sir Keir is so awful that his sausages are the sharpest thing about him; they're the only thing that's cut through

    It is BIZARRE

    In academic and legal careers and just taking part in life generally I have sat through thousands of hours people speechifying and I have never heard an error like this. It's the sort of mistake you make in a language you don't know, like kalamari for kalimera in Greek. Starmer speaks English so it is only explicable as a failure to speak human: people, gristle tubes, what's the difference?
  • mercator said:

    It is BIZARRE

    In academic and legal careers and just taking part in life generally I have sat through thousands of hours people speechifying and I have never heard an error like this. It's the sort of mistake you make in a language you don't know, like kalamari for kalimera in Greek. Starmer speaks English so it is only explicable as a failure to speak human: people, gristle tubes, what's the difference?
    It's like a really badly scripted episode of the American The Office..

    Whatever you do Michael, don't call the Jewish hostages sausages
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    rcs1000 said:

    Doha is best: they have a swimming pool, so you can do 40 laps while you wait for your connection.
    None of them come close to the delights of the small Scottish airports. Some of them serve coffee and have a convenient waiting area.
    https://www.hial.co.uk/airport-information/terminal-building-refurbishment-barra-airport/1
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839
    MaxPB said:

    That's a shame, I haven't flown from there for a while because corporate HQ was in Japan so no flights. It used to be brilliant, airside in under 15 mins, decent selection of bars and not too crowded with pointless shops.

    Heathrow is only good if you're flying from T2 or T5. If you're in 3 or 4 it's dire. They need to invest and refurb or rebuild T4 completely and expand T2 enough so they can dump T3 entirely.
    T4 is OK, T3 I agree needs major work

    For some reason nearly all my flights go through T2 or T5 (I guess because they are the best and biggest)

    LCY has just got permission to expand, which it desperately needs
  • What is the mechanism by which this brings down the Prime Minister when freebies did not bring down Blair or Boris, and when it is almost impossible to depose a Labour leader even in Opposition?

    And why are the Conservative leadership contenders not wading in even though mortally wounding the Prime Minister would ensure their victory?
    You don't mean "even in opposition" you mean "only in opposition". A cabinet strike is immediately effective, a shadow cabinet strike who even notices?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    The problem with the Alli / Labour mess is that he is now, essentially, Labour.

    It's not like the good olde days, when a developer gave a brown envelope to a minister so a certain development went ahead - or another one did not. Or someone pays for a vote. That's relatively easy to show cause and effect.

    In Alli's case, AIUI he's splurged hundreds of thousands - perhaps millions - at loads of Labour MPs and the party as a whole. One of his people was involved with selecting candidates; he helped Sue Gray's son get elected. His fingers are everywhere, and working out what, if anything, he got, or hoped to get, for his influence will be exceptionally tricky.

    Even if he was doing it for thoroughly altruistic reasons, it looks terrible and such behavious should be stamped on. Because even if Alli is with the angels, the next one might not.
    I read a bit into the geezers background and found it tricky to figure out his angle.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,419

    Does he need to declare that income?
    It's not income: you bought a ticket for £100, and sold it back to the club for £80.
  • rcs1000 said:

    It's not income: you bought a ticket for £100, and sold it back to the club for £80.
    And a few grands' worth of ticket at the same time
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133
    The Harris - Walz garden posters have at least and at last started going up around Asheville.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839
    SEE, I'm on the cutting (and hallucinating) edge of things:

    "Sam Altman says he has had "life-changing" psychedelic experiences that transformed him from an anxious, unhappy person into a very calm person who can work on hard and important things"

    https://x.com/tsarnick/status/1838820218732449993
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839
    If you haven't taken ayahuasca and interviewed a jaguar demon in an Aztec Temple MADE OF SAPPHIRES as you both approach the shimmering ocean of the Godhead then you're NOTHING
  • eek said:

    How the actual f*** does that work - Trump has a direct line to the leadership of Hezbollah and could have stopped October 7th?
    Hezbollah was not involved in October 7th, and nor was Iran. Hamas blindsided both its nominal allies. Possibly if they had known, they might have talked Hamas out of their absurd (and evil) plan.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,281
    edited September 2024
    mercator said:

    You don't mean "even in opposition" you mean "only in opposition". A cabinet strike is immediately effective, a shadow cabinet strike who even notices?
    Corbyn got overwhelmingly reelected by members when he had to restand for the leadership as forced to by Labour MPs; how would Slalom fare under the same test?
  • Starmer is terrible in the Beth Rigby interview. Completely the wrong belligerent tone.
  • Sasuages for hostages reminds me of the classic radio announcer's introduction for POTUS #31

    "Ladies and gentleman, the President of the United States - Hoobert Heever."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ce6lsy9IxY

    This classic blooper/blunder was committed by Harry von Zell, a prominent singer, actor and especially professional announcer (from 1920s through 1960s)

    from his wikibio:
    As a young announcer, von Zell made a memorable verbal slip in 1931 when he referred to then U.S. President Herbert Hoover as "Hoobert Heever" during a live tribute on Hoover's birthday. Hoover was not present at this tribute. Von Zell's blooper came at the end of a lengthy summation of Hoover's career, during which von Zell had pronounced the President's name correctly several times

    SSI - No need to wonder at such spoonerisms, especially when they involve rhymes & the like, methinks.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133
    MaxPB said:

    Sterling is up against the dollar and oil prices are steady ~$72-74.
    Fuel prices continue to fall in the US and in the cheaper places is now below $3 a gallon (US)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839

    Starmer is terrible in the Beth Rigby interview. Completely the wrong belligerent tone.

    it is truly dire

    Zero charm, zero persuasiveness, just a quietly truculent rant; he's not used to being the subject of interrogation and he is very bad at it
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    mercator said:

    It is BIZARRE

    In academic and legal careers and just taking part in life generally I have sat through thousands of hours people speechifying and I have never heard an error like this. It's the sort of mistake you make in a language you don't know, like kalamari for kalimera in Greek. Starmer speaks English so it is only explicable as a failure to speak human: people, gristle tubes, what's the difference?
    When in Germany, I try a little of the language, but I make sure never to say "Mein fraülein" because I'm petrified of saying something else...
  • Ad far as I can remember, Starmer's speech was all sausages and tunnels

    It wasn't a wholesome look at life
  • Eabhal said:

    Some of the best jokes at the fringe this year were lefties taking the piss out of their fellow lefties. Ultimately people are all hypocrites to a certain degree, which is a rich vein for comedy (and indeed for people attacking Labour at the moment).

    It works better than the humourless fury of a Daily Mail reader.
    There's no equivalent on the left of the Regan(?) principle that no conservative should speak Illl of another conservative.

    Not sure how much that is admirable and how much it is foolish. On either side.

    British conservatives would have done better had more people spoken Ill of Boris and Liz and sooner.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    it is truly dire

    Zero charm, zero persuasiveness, just a quietly truculent rant; he's not used to being the subject of interrogation and he is very bad at it
    We knew he was like this before the election but voted for him anyway.
  • Re your last paragraph why would they when the media are doing it for them

    Mind you the party conference could be very interesting this weekend
    It may be that Guido is fronting for CCHQ. Who else would have every Starmer broadcast saved and ready to compare with Alli's room dimensions?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    rcs1000 said:

    Doha is best: they have a swimming pool, so you can do 40 laps while you wait for your connection.
    Does this apply to all passengers? I've been there, once, in the middle of the night. It looked like a 5 star hotel as I recall.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,419
    Andy_JS said:

    Does this apply to all passengers? I've been there, once, in the middle of the night. It looked like a 5 star hotel as I recall.
    You have to pay to use the swimming pool, but it's open to anyone.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,163
    IanB2 said:

    Fuel prices continue to fall in the US and in the cheaper places is now below $3 a gallon (US)
    It is such a good opportunity to finally put up fuel duty a bit.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,281
    edited September 2024
    carnforth said:

    When in Germany, I try a little of the language, but I make sure never to say "Mein fraülein" because I'm petrified of saying something else...
    When I deliver parcels, I often say 'I have a packet for you"

    I never say it to anyone who might be Pakistani, just in case they mishear and think I've abbreviatied their nationality
  • IanB2 said:

    The Harris - Walz garden posters have at least and at last started going up around Asheville.

    "Yard signs" in our quaint colonial lingo. Same here around Seattle & environs.

    PS - You & your little dog too, keep an ear & eye out for weather news. Hurricane Helene is a serious storm, getting ready to slam into the Florida Panhandle then may (emphasis on conditional) be headed your general direction. Danger on Gulf Coast is wind & storm surge; further inland rain & flooding.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,679
    edited September 2024
    This seems a strange report. I don't think 5 days is enough to find out whether a claimed "theft from my bank account" is fraud or not.

    It will open up new opportunities for fraud based around aflse claims of having had money removed. Removing all responsibility from someone who clicked on a phishing email and gave out their numbers could blow up the FSCS.

    Potentially this is in the "tragedy of the commons" category.

    UK banks must refund fraud victims up to £85,000 within five days under new rules.

    Most High Street banks and payment companies voluntarily compensate customers who are tricked into sending money to scammers.

    But in a world first, these refunds will become mandatory from 7 October, the Payment Systems Regulator (PSR) has announced.

    The watchdog has reduced the maximum compensation from a previous proposal of £415,000. It said the new cap of £85,000 would cover more than 99% of claims.

    It also announced that once a bank or payment company had refunded a customer, it could claim half back from the financial institution the fraudster used to receive the stolen money.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy94vz4zd7zo
  • Trump explains how he would deal with threats from Iran:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1839003757943615589
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711

    When I deliver parcels, I often say 'I have a packet for you"

    I never say it to anyone who might be Pakistani, just in case they think I've abbreviatied their nationality
    Me, age 10, on the bus taking to my mate about our in-progress homegrown BBC BASIC reimplementation of PacMan:

    "So, imagine if the pacman - the poor little paci man - hits a wall..."

    Middle aged asian dude across the aisle looks over, daggers.

    I think about it and cringe at least once a year.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,845
    edited September 2024

    It may be that Guido is fronting for CCHQ. Who else would have every Starmer broadcast saved and ready to compare with Alli's room dimensions?
    He is. Guido is well known to be a Tory hack. He pretends to be Nige-curious just now to please his commentors, but he'll be putting the boot in there where and when possible too.

    The point is not whether Guido is biased, it's why has Starmer given him massive ammunition.

    Putting a family photo up in a borrowed penthouse and pretending you're at home isn't normal. There is a bigger explanation, and a bigger story here, than freebies.

    I believe I said as much - that this was all about the accommodation, some days ago.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited September 2024
    Yet again another donation that has not registered / not registered correctly. For a man with a supposed forensic lawyer background, he ain't half crap ensuring the correct paperwork has been done...
  • mercator said:

    It is BIZARRE

    In academic and legal careers and just taking part in life generally I have sat through thousands of hours people speechifying and I have never heard an error like this. It's the sort of mistake you make in a language you don't know, like kalamari for kalimera in Greek. Starmer speaks English so it is only explicable as a failure to speak human: people, gristle tubes, what's the difference?
    There is a fairly straightforward theory, but I am not being accused of two comments that are beneath me in one day.
  • It may be that Guido is fronting for CCHQ. Who else would have every Starmer broadcast saved and ready to compare with Alli's room dimensions?
    Actually in this case I was referring to Sky who are just not letting up in their pursuit for gotchas
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711

    He is. Guido is well known to be a Tory hack. He pretends to be Nige-curious just now to please his commentors, but he'll be putting the boot in there where and when possible too.

    The point is whether Guido is biased, it's why has Starmer given him massive ammunition.

    Putting a family photo up in a borrowed penthouse and pretending you're at home isn't normal. There is a bigger explanation, and a bigger story here, than freebies.

    I believe I said as much - that this was all about the accommodation, some days ago.
    If the son was living there for more than a month, council tax would be due, right? Even if there is no council tax on second homes in that borough.
  • On topic - that is a good spot by TSE but I'd want to see more pollsconfirming it and especially polls by non-British pollsters. The British companies have a pretty terrible record in US elections.
  • carnforth said:

    If the son was living there for more than a month, council tax would be due, right? Even if there is no council tax on second homes in that borough.
    Lord Alli would be paying council tax in case he stayed there no? There could even be live in staff.
  • If the StarmTroopers said "this is stupid and looks bad even if within the rules" instead of "this is within the rules and nowhere near as bad as the tories so stfu" they might have their opinions taken with a modicum of seriousness
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,519
    Set aside the legalities of politicians accepting lavish hospitality and gifts.

    It’s just so *utterly stupid.*

    There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. When someone does you a big favour, you incur an obligation to that person. Morally speaking. Tit for tat is at the heart of all social obligations.

    As Vito Corleone put it, maybe that debt will never be called in. But if it is, it must be paid.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711

    Lord Alli would be paying council tax in case he stayed there no? There could even be live in staff.
    "You’ll usually have to pay Council Tax on another property you own or rent, such as a holiday home. These properties are furnished and do not have anyone living in them as their main home. They are also known as ‘second homes’.

    Your council can decide to give you a discount - it’s up to them how much you get. Contact your council to ask about a discount."

    So was there a second home discount?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,635
    MattW said:

    This seems a strange report. I don't think 5 days is enough to find out whether a claimed "theft from my bank account" is fraud or not.

    It will open up new opportunities for fraud based around aflse claims of having had money removed. Removing all responsibility from someone who clicked on a phishing email and gave out their numbers could blow up the FSCS.

    Potentially this is in the "tragedy of the commons" category.

    UK banks must refund fraud victims up to £85,000 within five days under new rules.

    Most High Street banks and payment companies voluntarily compensate customers who are tricked into sending money to scammers.

    But in a world first, these refunds will become mandatory from 7 October, the Payment Systems Regulator (PSR) has announced.

    The watchdog has reduced the maximum compensation from a previous proposal of £415,000. It said the new cap of £85,000 would cover more than 99% of claims.

    It also announced that once a bank or payment company had refunded a customer, it could claim half back from the financial institution the fraudster used to receive the stolen money.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy94vz4zd7zo

    Interesting.

    The ITV national news presented it as the watchdog going easy on the banks because the cap,was reduced.

    If people are stupid enough to be tricked into sending money to scammers especially to the point of deceiving bank staff why should they get a penny back ?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,581
    mercator said:

    There was some twit on radio 4 a year or two ago who pretended to mispronounce Jeremy Hunt's surname with a C. The twittery being that this just doesn't happen: we don't store words as strings according to initial letter or concluding syllable and so we don't dip into a folder of *unt words and accidentally come up with the wrong one.

    Starmer is emotionally colourblind. Duck and luck are for most of us black and white words while fuck is lit up in neon. And there's as big a difference between sausage and hostage. These are not to most of us just character strings with a 43% overlap. A frightened captive human being and a high fat gristle tube are in different folders, as separate and differently coloured as the duck and fuck folders. Picking one by mistake for the other is not a human mistake.

    To be human is to dream. Dreams let us process and make emotional sense of life. Starmer shockingly claims not to dream. Sausage and hostage to him are just character strings.

    He is plainly good enough at mimicking human to get by at least in the stilted worlds of law and the labour party. Labour tends to promote such people - Brown, Miliband. The key to understanding Starmer is to see that he is what "does not speak human" really looks like.

    Whilst the trolling of those who can't abide any criticism of the new government is on point, the cod psychology needs work imo.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,235

    First time I went to Phnom Penh airport, it had just opened. It had one carousel and no walk was more than about fifty yards.

    Joyous. I suspect that has changed!
    Best airport - Trujillo, Peru.

    When I flew in, two flights a day in, two out.

    Modern Airbus from Lima. With every seat a wide, business class style seat.

    You walked off the plane and your luggage appeared on the single carousel thing. In about 5 min. You see through the flaps to see that your luggage was actually being hoiked out of the containers straight onto the carousel.

    You could be in and out of the airport in 10 min or less.

    Clean and not even the beginnings of a crowd.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839
    Wow. Yes

    This is suddenly quite acute
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Is a Journo going to get a sit down with Lord A - and if not is it acceptable for the puppetmaster to avoid scrutiny for the show he's running?
  • I think he's a gonner. I really do. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,635

    I think he's a gonner. I really do. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
    In the words of the legend that was Gorilla Monsoon.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    I think he's a gonner. I really do. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
    And in doing so, you get Farage, or Corbyn, or whoever it is that burns with a bright but ill light?

    For the time being Starmer is fine.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    I lost the wirewhich reluctantly charges my phone earlier today in a running-for-the-tram-while-carrying-a-bag-with-a-hole-in-it earlier today. Bugger. (Made the tram, though, beating it over 400m in a foot race. Go fat middle aged me. Anyway.)
    So I was in the market for a new wire. Happened, atound 7pm, to be driving up Great Ducie Street in Strangeways. 12 months ago, this was Counterfeit Alley - anonymous shop after anonymous shop with Asian men hovering watchfully outside. Used to be busy with people emerging with armfuls of knock-off clothing and covered in litter. It's been marginally cleaned up and is now the territory of not-obviously-horrible takeaways, but also, happily, a shop selling mobile phone accessories. I turned into a sidestreet to park, which was lined by nothing - nothing - but vape shops. Over 50 of them, if you take in the units in the mini retail park at the end. Nothing but vape shops as far as the eye could see. Half of them closed - understandably, given the hour - but half open - staffed by Asian men underneath bright neon signs and utterly devoid of customers. What the bloody hell is going on there then? Nothing legitimate, surely.
    I mean, the dodgy counterfeit shops were clearly selling illegal goods, but I could at least understamd how their businesses worked.
    Anyway, the phone shop - also staffed by Asian men - were able to cheerfully solve all my phone problems and I went on my way.
  • Sean_F said:

    Set aside the legalities of politicians accepting lavish hospitality and gifts.

    It’s just so *utterly stupid.*

    There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. When someone does you a big favour, you incur an obligation to that person. Morally speaking. Tit for tat is at the heart of all social obligations.

    As Vito Corleone put it, maybe that debt will never be called in. But if it is, it must be paid.

    On one hand, fully agree.

    On the other, that's not the line that the British system has had. Until about ten days ago, the line was "take what you like, as long as you declare it." The trouble for the last government was how often they struggled to clear even that hurdle.

    And on the third hand (don't worry, I don't teach biology any more), then the boring stuff that donations currently funds has to be paid for some other way, and we're collectively allergic to putting our hands in our pockets.

    I don't know what the answer is, except that it will work to the opposition's disadvantage. Which is why they're largely avoiding the story.

    Maybe we should have a register of interests for newspapers?
  • Omnium said:

    And in doing so, you get Farage, or Corbyn, or whoever it is that burns with a bright but ill light?

    For the time being Starmer is fine.
    I don’t know - I'm not willing this to happen. I don’t like Starmer but nor do I like a country with no semblance of a competent Government.

    I suspect SKS will be replaced by another Labourite - we can hardly have another GE.
  • I'm surprised that nobody objected to me grilling the hostages; surely they must be fried before we can have peas?
  • moonshine said:

    I read a bit into the geezers background and found it tricky to figure out his angle.
    Perhaps he doesn't have an angle. Perhaps he's with the angels.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    I don’t know - I'm not willing this to happen. I don’t like Starmer but nor do I like a country with no semblance of a competent Government.

    I suspect SKS will be replaced by another Labourite - we can hardly have another GE.
    Any leader is going to be chased by the press until chasing by the press stops being the issue.

    I vaguely recall a time when the press had a role beyond continual attempted destabilisation of the realm.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I think he's a gonner. I really do. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
    You think he’s going to resign? What price do you make that?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839

    I think he's a gonner. I really do. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
    I don't know if he's a goner, but he is permanently tainted now, there is so much of it, and it is so complex and prolonged. It's not one incident, it's a type of behaviour: entitlement mixed with sanctimony. Not good at all

    Also, he is perpetually on the back foot, the prime minister having to explain every day - in an awkward way - why is not actually a lying thief
  • He is. Guido is well known to be a Tory hack. He pretends to be Nige-curious just now to please his commentors, but he'll be putting the boot in there where and when possible too.

    The point is not whether Guido is biased, it's why has Starmer given him massive ammunition.

    Putting a family photo up in a borrowed penthouse and pretending you're at home isn't normal. There is a bigger explanation, and a bigger story here, than freebies.

    I believe I said as much - that this was all about the accommodation, some days ago.
    The bit re: family photo, reminds me of the media flap when Richard Nixon was photographed walking along the beach at San Clemente . . . in suit, tie AND . . . wait for it . . . wingtips.

    Folks my age still recall THAT far more than far more important details re: Nixon Presidency and Watergate.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741
    Guests of a company with a completely different name which doesn't directly own any part of Northumbria water.
  • Omnium said:

    Any leader is going to be chased by the press until chasing by the press stops being the issue.

    I vaguely recall a time when the press had a role beyond continual attempted destabilisation of the realm.
    This sort of comment is depressing. If politicians do not want the media to go after them, then they shouldn't do stupid stuff that - at best - looks dodgy.

    Were you calling it 'destabilisation of the realm' when parts of the media were after Boris? Or Truss? Or Sunak?
  • Do we have any anti-Zionists here, ie people who don't want Israel to exist?

    Or are we all two-state-solution Zionists?

    If chanting From The River To The Sea is cool, you're anti-Zionist
  • Re Jonathan Pie: don’t forget that some of his early work was on Russia Today. He’s funny, but I’m not sure I trust his agenda.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    moonshine said:

    I read a bit into the geezers background and found it tricky to figure out his angle.
    A friend at work, who is in the Labour Party, argued that his angle is that he's just a really sweet guy.
    This - even in my public sector blobby organisation - was met with a lot of laughter.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,163
    Omnium said:

    And in doing so, you get Farage, or Corbyn, or whoever it is that burns with a bright but ill light?

    For the time being Starmer is fine.
    Ed Davey paddleboards to the rescue. The only UK politician with the appropriate clothing to drain the swamp.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,839
    As ever it's the cover up which is screwing with Starmer

    Trotting out that blatant lie about the Covent Garden penthouse - "for my son's GCSE study" - even tho they kept the flat almost a month after the exams ended - has got everyone looking at the penthouse. Now it turns out Starmer has been using it for multiple purposes for years, and during lockdown, when he was hysterically lecturing the Tories about breaking lockdown

    This is now deeply perilous for Skyr Toolmakersson
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Know it's hard to keep up with Labour corruption at the moment but did this one get clocked?

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1838918540100841932

    Lazy to just give a massive lump sum on the day after donations are declarable before the election - at least Lord Ali but the effort in spreading his goodies around bit by bit.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    This sort of comment is depressing. If politicians do not want the media to go after them, then they shouldn't do stupid stuff that - at best - looks dodgy.

    Were you calling it 'destabilisation of the realm' when parts of the media were after Boris? Or Truss? Or Sunak?
    I don't think I called it that at the time, but I have no problem calling it that in retrospect.

    Mostly such press is entirely justified, and the press have often been a great pillar of our society in calling out behaviour that is unacceptable. Finding and highlighting fault as a modus operandi is a bit different.
  • You think he’s going to resign? What price do you make that?
    I don’t know. I make it an even chance. It seems to be becoming apparent that Lord Ali's flat is Starmers second (first?) home. That indicates that the reality of Starmer's life is not the one he has attempted to portray. I don't see it as at all possible that the full facts will not be disclosed at this point. And I don’t see how that doesn't lead to either a completely lame zombie PM, or a resignation.
  • The comments after Freddie Sayers announcement that Fraser Nelson is standing down from Speccie editorship are a sight.

    https://x.com/freddiesayers/status/1838918847954301362


    If their sales tank after all Nelson's years of hard work...
  • It's pretty obvious. He is being held sausage by the Labour party and had one chance of getting a coded message out to the outside world. The elegance of the deliberate slip is breathtaking.

    Also do photos exist of him with lord Alli, before generative AI? Do the math, people.
  • Omnium said:

    Any leader is going to be chased by the press until chasing by the press stops being the issue.

    I vaguely recall a time when the press had a role beyond continual attempted destabilisation of the realm.
    Quite.

    And one of the healthy things that Starmer did in opposition was to not particularly genuflect to the shrines of Murdoch and Rothermere. Not completely, he's not the Messiah, but he didn't grovel anything like as much as, say, Blair did.

    (That, of course, is one reason the press don't like him.)

    He has started poorly. Whether that's inevitable in a PM, I don't know. But if by buggering on, he gives a polite, stilted, two fingers to the frothers and curtain-twitchers looking to depose people they don't like every five minutes, he will have done the nation a service. Much like his de-Corbyning of the Labour Party.

    Even if he fails at everything else.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    I don’t know - I'm not willing this to happen. I don’t like Starmer but nor do I like a country with no semblance of a competent Government.

    I suspect SKS will be replaced by another Labourite - we can hardly have another GE.
    That - wouldn't be good news. Rubbish though SKS is, it's not obvious there's anyone better - and it IS obvious that there are a lot of people worse.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Leon said:

    I don't know if he's a goner, but he is permanently tainted now, there is so much of it, and it is so complex and prolonged. It's not one incident, it's a type of behaviour: entitlement mixed with sanctimony. Not good at all

    Also, he is perpetually on the back foot, the prime minister having to explain every day - in an awkward way - why is not actually a lying thief
    He will just have to console himself with a 174 seat majority.
  • Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
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    2h
    One of the biggest challenges in trying to interpret the US race is the sheer amount of poor quality polling, which gets added into the various models.


  • The comments after Freddie Sayers announcement that Fraser Nelson is standing down from Speccie editorship are a sight.

    https://x.com/freddiesayers/status/1838918847954301362


    If their sales tank after all Nelson's years of hard work...

    I'm cancelling my sub. I'm not going to read anything with that slimy slug deciding what I read.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,427

    Yet again another donation that has not registered / not registered correctly. For a man with a supposed forensic lawyer background, he ain't half crap ensuring the correct paperwork has been done...
    Perhaps he's been struggling to cope with his workload.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Leon said:

    I don't know if he's a goner, but he is permanently tainted now, there is so much of it, and it is so complex and prolonged. It's not one incident, it's a type of behaviour: entitlement mixed with sanctimony. Not good at all

    Also, he is perpetually on the back foot, the prime minister having to explain every day - in an awkward way - why is not actually a lying thief
    It doesn't look good but I think they will just ride it out. It is a bit of a second order problem for Labour because surely the main problem is that they have no economic plan, other than to just try and 'keep going'; but then they keep introducing all these new rules, regulations and spending money on things, along with a bit of 'class war' thrown in to keep the supporters happy. They seem to be sleepwalking in to a scenario of economic decline exacerbated by the destruction of the tax base.
  • Michael Crick:

    'Interesting. Labour's new climate envoy Rachel Kyte is co-chair of climate advisory board of Quadrature Climate Foundation, linked to Quadrature hedge fund based in the Cayman Islands which invests in fossil fuel firms. Quadrature gave Labour £4m on 28 May, at the start of the election campaign, a fact which only emerged a week ago'

    Martin Williams:

    SCOOP: The Labour peer at the centre of the donations row, Lord Alli, failed to declare interests in a tax haven firm.
    @openDemocracy


    What were the odds on Starmer not making it to the end of the year again?
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