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"His only motivation is to win votes."Omnium said:Suppose I suggested that a council tenant should surrender 12% of everything he owns when he moves. How would that go down?
Osborne has sadly shown that he is a spineless lightweight. His only motivation is to win votes.
We need some new politicians. The stage has never been better set for UKIP. Or for that matter Monster Raving Loony.
Quite right too, for a democratic politician. Have you got a beef against democracy or is it just Osborne that you oppose ?0 -
Yes. Take a look at the nett growth in jobs despite the massive and continuing loss of jobs in the public sector.MonikerDiCanio said:
Osborne's challenge was to get the private sector growing and generating jobs again. He's succeeded in that beyond all expectation.Alanbrooke said:
LOL I'll happily churl. The main challenge to Osborne remains as it always has this Parliament from the fiscal right - Labour have no policies. Osborne has wasted an entire Parliament by refusing to address overdue reforms. GO =Gordon Osborne politics triumphs over economic need.MonikerDiCanio said:Alanbrooke said:
yes, look at the size of that Tory majorityMonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
Your churlish attitude towards Osborne is beneath your usual high standards. He's plainly excellent.
Perhaps the most amazing thing in recent years has been the transformation in Jaguar Land Rover. Its a great tribute to British design and engineering - if not management and investment.
The other point is that the higher rate tax payers are paying record sums and so is Corporation tax.
Anyone remember that clever wheeze - abolition of Advance Payment of Corporation Tax?
A double tragedy when you think how Brown blew the money away on inefficient spending. Clawing it back is not so easy.
And of course thats before you even think about the destruction of the pensions industry. People have pathetically short memories when it comes to considering and comparing economic competence.
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It's hard to believe but only a few months ago, in response to the debate about the size of the oil reserve, there were nationalists who were saying 'it doesn't matter any way, oil prices are headed to the moon'.Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
Whoops!
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Osborne said that the UK was the fastest growing major advanced economy, which is true according to forecasts.foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
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My guess is that the Tories are relying on Osborne's Autumn Statement today as a useful and much needed political tool to propel them forward a couple of points in the polls over the next 7-10 days and in that context next week's ICM could prove interesting.0
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Wait, what?
Revealed: why Nick Clegg boycotted the Autumn statement
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg no longer wants to be seen sitting alongside David Cameron or George Osborne
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg/11271635/Revealed-why-Nick-Clegg-boycotted-the-Autumn-statement.html0 -
I don't think enough credit is being given to Cameron for so quickly and adroitly linking Scottish devolution with English Votes For English Laws.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
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As someone pointed out it has not done his ratings much good.TheScreamingEagles said:Wait, what?
Revealed: why Nick Clegg boycotted the Autumn statement
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg no longer wants to be seen sitting alongside David Cameron or George Osborne
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg/11271635/Revealed-why-Nick-Clegg-boycotted-the-Autumn-statement.html
I doubt it will last long, but it shows exactly why the LDs have so mismanaged their time in government and contributed to their own downfall.
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1. Drop Bobby Sol
2. Concede bad goals
3. Lose 4-0
Off to I'm a Celeb.0 -
Early days yet - for both. Osborne's speech did lasting damage by arguing that the Scots were inferior partners within the UK.Flightpath said:
I don't think enough credit is being given to Cameron for so quickly and adroitly linking Scottish devolution with English Votes For English Laws.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
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IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
1 opinion poll lead in the last seventeen.GO, pure genius. Tic Toc!0
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You are obviously a contender for the "upper Class Twit of the year" contest. I hope you get on the podium.Omnium said:Suppose I suggested that a council tenant should surrender 12% of everything he owns when he moves. How would that go down?
Osborne has sadly shown that he is a spineless lightweight. His only motivation is to win votes.
We need some new politicians. The stage has never been better set for UKIP. Or for that matter Monster Raving Loony.0 -
I agree with OGH. This was a good budget by Osborne. More progressiveness on stamp duty is both fairer and more economically efficient seeing that we need to convert more large houses into smaller places with the current shortage. It's also great to see him clamp down on profit shifting. Shows he's not a right wing ideologue.0
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Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
The Barnett formula is a monstrosity that isn't even supported by the person that designed it.FrankBooth said:
The Scots seemed to have palyed a blinder. They've managed to get some new tax powers whilst maintaining the Barnett formula whilst decreased north sea oil revenues will make Scotland a considerable net recipient of UK funds.Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/0 -
I could not find those exact words but these are close "Manufacturing is growing faster than any other sector; and investment is set to be up 11% this year – growing faster in the UK than any other major advanced economy." So this statement may be manufacturing.MonikerDiCanio said:
Osborne said that the UK was the fastest growing major advanced economy, which is true according to forecasts.foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
From: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/the-spectator/2014/12/full-text-george-osbornes-2014-autumn-statement/
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I think we have to wait, like always we won't know the impact of Osborne's statement until Monday night.
However I will focus on 2 things, the first is that apart from the stamp duty reductions there's not much else, the second is that if the economy is so good then voters will change their priorities and feel safe enough to vote Labour.0 -
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk0 -
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
Pretty hard to support it when you are deceased. He did admit in his later years that it needed replacing.Socrates said:
The Barnett formula is a monstrosity that isn't even supported by the person that designed it.FrankBooth said:
The Scots seemed to have palyed a blinder. They've managed to get some new tax powers whilst maintaining the Barnett formula whilst decreased north sea oil revenues will make Scotland a considerable net recipient of UK funds.Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/0 -
A government is elected for 5 years, right ?Socrates said:
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
The irony is that a "winning budget" is not a right wing one. Interesting ! Perhaps, he should follow this dictum more often.Socrates said:I agree with OGH. This was a good budget by Osborne. More progressiveness on stamp duty is both fairer and more economically efficient seeing that we need to convert more large houses into smaller places with the current shortage. It's also great to see him clamp down on profit shifting. Shows he's not a right wing ideologue.
The 45% slab has brought f**k all !0 -
FrankBooth said:
The Scots seemed to have palyed a blinder. They've managed to get some new tax powers whilst maintaining the Barnett formula whilst decreased north sea oil revenues will make Scotland a considerable net recipient of UK funds.Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/FrankBooth said:
The Scots seemed to have palyed a blinder. They've managed to get some new tax powers whilst maintaining the Barnett formula whilst decreased north sea oil revenues will make Scotland a considerable net recipient of UK funds.Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
I'm not quite sure what your point is. The Scottish government will receive all income tax paid by Scottish taxpayers on their non-savings and non-dividend income, with a corresponding adjustment in the block grant it receives from the UK Government.FrankBooth said:
The Scots seemed to have palyed a blinder. They've managed to get some new tax powers whilst maintaining the Barnett formula whilst decreased north sea oil revenues will make Scotland a considerable net recipient of UK funds.Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
There has to be a funding formula - but
''the revised funding framework should result in the devolved Scottish budget benefiting in full from policy decisions by the Scottish government that increase revenues or reduce expenditure, and the devolved Scottish budget bearing the full costs of policy decisions that reduce revenues or increase expenditure.'' (BBC)
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Yes. I think it's entirely reasonable to judge the Coalition on their economic record from about a year into power to the time when they leave power. They should be benchmarked against other large developed countries for that period.surbiton said:
A government is elected for 5 years, right ?Socrates said:
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk0 -
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
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Let's start with the US then.Socrates said:
Yes. I think it's entirely reasonable to judge the Coalition on their economic record from about a year into power to the time when they leave power. They should be benchmarked against other large developed countries for that period.surbiton said:
A government is elected for 5 years, right ?Socrates said:
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
The government hasn't done bad with the economy, thanks to it's u-turn in economic policy they did what Labour would have done anyway.Socrates said:
Yes. I think it's entirely reasonable to judge the Coalition on their economic record from about a year into power to the time when they leave power. They should be benchmarked against other large developed countries for that period.surbiton said:
A government is elected for 5 years, right ?Socrates said:
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)
And that's a point, Balls, Darling and Osborne had the same ideas and plans, the economy will be the same regardless of who's in power.0 -
You seem to be confused between the present and future tense.MonikerDiCanio said:
Osborne said that the UK was the fastest growing major advanced economy, which is true according to forecasts.foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
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despite the hype HMG has ducked the main economic issues.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/11271845/George-Osborne-has-missed-his-chance-to-end-the-British-disease.html0 -
Why not train up people without cooking experience? It's only whipping up a balti, it's hardly rocket science.NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
And it sounds like the work conditions weren't great either.0 -
The Government has found two "cut through" announcements that cost nothing (overall) yet are very popular:
1. 2014 Budget - No longer have to buy an annuity
2. 2014 Autumn Statement - Stamp Duty
The annuity change actually raises money for the Government.
The Stamp Duty change costs a little bit - less than £1 billion - but it's popularity is very, very high relative to its cost.
So two questions:
1. Why did nobody make these changes earlier?
2. What popular measure is Osborne holding back for the 2015 Budget?
If he originally thought of three ideas you would think he would do one at each of the last three set piece occasions.
If he originally only had two ideas, surely one would have been kept back for the 2015 Budget?
Which suggests he has one more up his sleeve. But what could it be?0 -
As I previously mentioned the guy you are referring too resigned yesterdayMonksfield said:George's statements always look good. Until they start being unpicked. Don't join the chorus OGH..
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You can make it into a reality show starring Gordon Ramsay, you could name it Hell's Kitchen.Socrates said:
Why not train up people without cooking experience? It's only whipping up a balti, it's hardly rocket science.NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
And it sounds like the work conditions weren't great either.0 -
GO " The UK is......."FrankBooth said:
You seem to be confused between the present and future tense.MonikerDiCanio said:
Osborne said that the UK was the fastest growing major advanced economy, which is true according to forecasts.foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
GO said the UK was....
Get it, smarty pants ?
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Now try working long hours, in an overheated kitchen, and whipping up 30 meals in 30 minutes, each perfectly cooked and in line with the whims of the customerSocrates said:
Why not train up people without cooking experience? It's only whipping up a balti, it's hardly rocket science.NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
And it sounds like the work conditions weren't great either.
"It's only a balti" understates the skill and dedication of our service sector workers0 -
On the 2015 Budget there's nothing, that it's.MikeL said:The Government has found two "cut through" announcements that cost nothing (overall) yet are very popular:
1. 2014 Budget - No longer have to buy an annuity
2. 2014 Autumn Statement - Stamp Duty
The annuity change actually raises money for the Government.
The Stamp Duty change costs a little bit - less than £1 billion - but it's popularity is very, very high relative to its cost.
So two questions:
1. Why did nobody make these changes earlier?
2. What popular measure is Osborne holding back for the 2015 Budget?
If he originally thought of three ideas you would think he would do one at each of the last three set piece occasions.
If he originally only had two ideas, surely one would have been kept back for the 2015 Budget?
Which suggests he has one more up his sleeve. But what could it be?
The autumn statement is regarded and has been agreed by the coalition partners to be the last throw of this government, since the 2015 budget will be too close to the election to be of any concrete meaning.0 -
Was he offering more money than an average cook gets......?NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn? Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
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Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday0 -
Presumably there are lots of second generation Bengali chefs, whose fathers were in the trade.Charles said:
Now try working long hours, in an overheated kitchen, and whipping up 30 meals in 30 minutes, each perfectly cooked and in line with the whims of the customerSocrates said:
Why not train up people without cooking experience? It's only whipping up a balti, it's hardly rocket science.NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
And it sounds like the work conditions weren't great either.
"It's only a balti" understates the skill and dedication of our service sector workers
Better than being on the dole.0 -
No way of you, me or anyone else knowing what's in the 2015 Budget.Speedy said:
On the 2015 Budget there's nothing, that it's.MikeL said:The Government has found two "cut through" announcements that cost nothing (overall) yet are very popular:
1. 2014 Budget - No longer have to buy an annuity
2. 2014 Autumn Statement - Stamp Duty
The annuity change actually raises money for the Government.
The Stamp Duty change costs a little bit - less than £1 billion - but it's popularity is very, very high relative to its cost.
So two questions:
1. Why did nobody make these changes earlier?
2. What popular measure is Osborne holding back for the 2015 Budget?
If he originally thought of three ideas you would think he would do one at each of the last three set piece occasions.
If he originally only had two ideas, surely one would have been kept back for the 2015 Budget?
Which suggests he has one more up his sleeve. But what could it be?
The autumn statement is regarded and has been agreed by the coalition partners to be the last throw of this government, since the 2015 budget will be too close to the election to be of any concrete meaning.
It's entirely possible there will be a popular announcement - albeit that it might not actually come in until after the GE.
Though even then it might come in straight away - the Stamp Duty change comes in today.0 -
It will also hit UK arms exports (67% of which goes to th middle east)Flightpath said:
The notion of Scotttish indepencdence falls through the floor. What fools all those who voted YES must feel now after believig Salmonds rubbish. And of course we can now see why the notion of independence with a £ currency union was such a non starter for rUKAndyJS said:Brent Crude drops below $70:
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/0 -
You do know that a restaurant is open 7 days a week ! Who will cook the other 2 days ? Fairy godmother ?saddened said:
Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday
In London ? Does anybody eat in there ?chestnut said:
I personally know ones working for half that at 5* hotels with £200 a pop restaurants.surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !0 -
Arsenal sinking !0
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The more that is revealed about the fantasy world that Surbiton inhabits, the odder it gets.saddened said:
Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday0 -
Unless I have calculated incorrectly that wonderful man has just saved me thousands.Moses_ said:Tom Whipple @whippletom
We are moving home next week. Osborne just saved us £400. I'm calling our new fridge freezer George. #AS20140 -
I agree. I just didn't like the rather arrogant way that Socrates dismissed the job that so many of our fellow countrymen and women do.foxinsoxuk said:
Presumably there are lots of second generation Bengali chefs, whose fathers were in the trade.Charles said:
Now try working long hours, in an overheated kitchen, and whipping up 30 meals in 30 minutes, each perfectly cooked and in line with the whims of the customerSocrates said:
Why not train up people without cooking experience? It's only whipping up a balti, it's hardly rocket science.NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
And it sounds like the work conditions weren't great either.
"It's only a balti" understates the skill and dedication of our service sector workers
Better than being on the dole.0 -
Fantastic - Arsenal did their usual last minute winner and triumphantly we avoided the 4-0 defeat.
Glory be.
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So why do people not become a chef for less than £30k ? Are you saying the owners deliberately want to pay more ?MonikerDiCanio said:
The more that is revealed about the fantasy world that Surbiton inhabits, the odder it gets.saddened said:
Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday
The second / third generation kids are more interested playing with X Box. Just like miner's sons didn't want to go down the pits when an alternative came up.
London is not a god forsaken country hole !0 -
You're just embarrassing yourself now.surbiton said:
You do know that a restaurant is open 7 days a week ! Who will cook the other 2 days ? Fairy godmother ?saddened said:
Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday
In London ? Does anybody eat in there ?chestnut said:
I personally know ones working for half that at 5* hotels with £200 a pop restaurants.surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !0 -
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I can see it is not easy being a Spurs fan !Scrapheap_as_was said:Fantastic - Arsenal did their usual last minute winner and triumphantly we avoided the 4-0 defeat.
Glory be.
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62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
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Full of chancers from top to bottom especially in the boardroom - still we can always win that trophy next season...Theuniondivvie said:0 -
sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
OR his intervention made sure they didn't change their minds.
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George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?0 -
Have you joined the 'Ally must go' brigade? He's a likeable lad, but..TGOHF said:
Full of chancers from top to bottom especially in the boardroom - still we can always win that trophy next season...Theuniondivvie said:0 -
No grannies living in a 2M pound house will pay a penny every year - not like under Labour.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?0 -
Thank God you've retired from the NHS.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?
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GO is taxing the rich, Ed Balls wants to tax granny.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?
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If the Tories win in 2015 it will because the electorate are gullible0
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I am slightly bemused that he was able to announce that the deficit will be lower this year than last. I really thought he was snookered on that and so did most of the analysts I read. He is several billion behind last year at the moment.
Surely George would not have achieved some slight of hand such as some deferred payments?0 -
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)0 -
Very true, it took years for Labour to feck us over so completely.Socrates said:
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)0 -
Have you a link to polling on the motivations of the other 38%?foxinsoxuk said:
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)
I'm still chuckling at those predicting a No vote would cause an SNP implosion.0 -
Help me out here. If the tories did what Labour would have done (stop sniggering at the back) can you explain what Labour have been whining about?Speedy said:
The government hasn't done bad with the economy, thanks to it's u-turn in economic policy they did what Labour would have done anyway.Socrates said:
Yes. I think it's entirely reasonable to judge the Coalition on their economic record from about a year into power to the time when they leave power. They should be benchmarked against other large developed countries for that period.surbiton said:
A government is elected for 5 years, right ?Socrates said:
You realise that government policy isn't instantaneous in its effects, right?surbiton said:
Where does Britain stand in the G20 growth table since 2010 ? They were not elected in 2013.Flightpath said:
IMF ...foxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
''Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed.
Britain is expected to grow faster than countries including America, Germany, France and Canada'' (Telegraph)
And that's a point, Balls, Darling and Osborne had the same ideas and plans, the economy will be the same regardless of who's in power.
you seem to be saying that Labour are opportunistic little shits.0 -
We shall see.Theuniondivvie said:
Have you a link to polling on the motivations of the other 38%?foxinsoxuk said:
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)
I'm still chuckling at those predicting a No vote would cause an SNP implosion.
Still crying in your beer?0 -
BTW your French Canadian pal looks a right charlie after Sturgeon rightly purged the Nat book-burners.Theuniondivvie said:
Have you a link to polling on the motivations of the other 38%?foxinsoxuk said:
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)
I'm still chuckling at those predicting a No vote would cause an SNP implosion.0 -
We're still chuckling at yes supporters genuinely believing they'd win.Theuniondivvie said:
Have you a link to polling on the motivations of the other 38%?foxinsoxuk said:
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)
I'm still chuckling at those predicting a No vote would cause an SNP implosion.0 -
Zinger!foxinsoxuk said:
We shall see.Theuniondivvie said:
Have you a link to polling on the motivations of the other 38%?foxinsoxuk said:
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)
I'm still chuckling at those predicting a No vote would cause an SNP implosion.
Still crying in your beer?
(not)
So, no link then?0 -
Why do you think that the majority of Scots voted against independence?Theuniondivvie said:
Zinger!foxinsoxuk said:
We shall see.Theuniondivvie said:
Have you a link to polling on the motivations of the other 38%?foxinsoxuk said:
62% of 55% = 34%sarissa said:
62% (Ashcroft poll) of No voters had made up their minds well in advance of his interventionfoxinsoxuk said:
He said third fastest growing major economy.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy. Does he not consider the US a major economy?
No currency Union was cited by many of the 55% as the reason to vote No.Alistair said:
Support for independence went up after his speech. At the start of the year Indy was polling at 35%.MonikerDiCanio said:I don't think enough credit is given to Osborne for also saving the Union with his unforgettable speech this February in Edinburgh when he exploded Salmond's position on sterling. A formidable statesman.
So the other 38% of 55% = 21% who made all the difference.
(BTW anyone still chucking at SeanT's panic?)
I'm still chuckling at those predicting a No vote would cause an SNP implosion.
Still crying in your beer?
(not)
So, no link then?0 -
don't worry they get 50K for the other 2 days (see his other post)MonikerDiCanio said:
The more that is revealed about the fantasy world that Surbiton inhabits, the odder it gets.saddened said:
Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday
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Yeah, but it is hugely amusing for the rest of us.saddened said:
You're just embarrassing yourself now.surbiton said:
You do know that a restaurant is open 7 days a week ! Who will cook the other 2 days ? Fairy godmother ?saddened said:
Seriously?surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.antifrank said:
I do:Ishmael_X said:
You think tikka massala, or any other significant ethnic food, is made or sold by first generation immigrants (or in other words, immigrants)?audreyanne said:By the way: amazingly positive responses on BBC News just now from random and mixed people in Northampton, who were also extremely well informed.
It WILL come down to the economy. The only reason immigration matters is that some people think it affects their economic well-being. It's bugger all to do with anything else. Put crudely, white van man likes his tikka masala.
You probably do.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2013-12-05/uk-prime-minister-says-asian-chefs-will-be-able-to-come-to-uk
http://www.gumtree.com/chef-de-partie-jobs/london/monday+to+friday
In London ? Does anybody eat in there ?chestnut said:
I personally know ones working for half that at 5* hotels with £200 a pop restaurants.surbiton said:
Try to get a chef born in the UK for less than £50k in London !0 -
What were the two or three most important issues in deciding on how you voted?
57% of no voters, it was the pound
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf0 -
How do you manage to get everything wrong?TGOHF said:
He didn't.FrankBooth said:George claimed we were the fastest growing major economy.
"Today, in the last Autumn Statement of this Parliament, I present a forecast that shows the UK is the fastest growing of any major advanced economy in the world
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/autumn-statement-2014-george-osbornes-speech-in-full--see-the-word-cloud-9901045.html
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How? Stamp duty ( I assume you mean ) is a tax on a transaction. No transaction, no tax.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?
I would say this removal of the "slab tax" should've been done years ago, and both parties are guilty of letting this idiocy fester. I probably got stuffed by about 5k in recent times because of it, but on the bright side a close relative buying a house is over 3.5k better off today - and he's well chuffed.0 -
George Osborne was impressive today. Food for thought.
We'll see how it all stacks up once the figures are unpicked. Either way, he's a very smooth operator. I'd be interested in backing him as next Tory leader, possibly over May or Boris.0 -
I see the Guardian are screaming CUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSS...apparently 1930 style cuts are on their way. And Mirror claim he had a stinker.
Not fans of Georgey boys budget, i mean autumn statement.0 -
The logic is that you tax at the point of transaction or, in case of income tax or VAT, point of payment, or in case of CGT the point of sale. The problem with the mansion tax is that it introduces something new - a ground rent on property - a tax on ownership rather than at point of transaction. IMHO, as I have said before, the issue is that by doing this you are changing the tax system in a major way that could have ramifications over the long term. I'm all for the rich shouldering a bit more of the burden, but I remain to be convinced that mansion tax is the way to do it.glw said:
GO is taxing the rich, Ed Balls wants to tax granny.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?0 -
Quite so.rottenborough said:
The logic is that you tax at the point of transaction or, in case of income tax or VAT, point of payment, or in case of CGT the point of sale. The problem with the mansion tax is that it introduces something new - a ground rent on property - a tax on ownership rather than at point of transaction. IMHO, as I have said before, the issue is that by doing this you are changing the tax system in a major way that could have ramifications over the long term. I'm all for the rich shouldering a bit more of the burden, but I remain to be convinced that mansion tax is the way to do it.glw said:
GO is taxing the rich, Ed Balls wants to tax granny.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?0 -
Alan Titchmarsh is the latest celebrity to come out against the mansion tax. (front page of Mirror)0
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Another controversial Grand Jury decision today - this time in New York over Eric Garner, selling loose cigarattes on the street. He died after being placed in a chokehold by a police officer.
The Ferguson grand jury decision, after reading the evidence, I'm comfortable with.
This one is diffferent - and the event is on videotape - not so much. Do we really want a death sentence for selling loose cigarettes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=00 -
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Highly recommendedMonikerDiCanio said:
Thank God you've retired from the NHS.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?
Gives you plenty of time to work out how many seats each party would get if the results of polls were replicated at GE2015
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How many of them were among the 62% that were always going to vote no?TheScreamingEagles said:What were the two or three most important issues in deciding on how you voted?
57% of no voters, it was the pound
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf0 -
ExcellentArtist said:Alan Titchmarsh is the latest celebrity to come out against the mansion tax. (front page of Mirror)
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Most of the fieldwork for tonight's YouGov would have been conducted before the Autumn statement, so I wouldn't read too much into either way tonight0
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That doesn't look good for Unionists in the long-term. A majority under 54 favoured the Nats and it was only the oldies that swing it.TheScreamingEagles said:What were the two or three most important issues in deciding on how you voted?
57% of no voters, it was the pound
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf
Also depressing that so few Scottish NO voters voted that way because of identity with the UK's history and traditions. I thought it'd be far higher than in the 20s.0 -
Hopefully you had a better understanding of your previous admin job (by admin job I obviously mean 30 years of sacrifice to the NHS), than you do about what the polls are indicating.bigjohnowls said:
Highly recommendedMonikerDiCanio said:
Thank God you've retired from the NHS.bigjohnowls said:George introduces mansion tax a year early
No whinging from PB Tories?
Gives you plenty of time to work out how many seats each party would get if the results of polls were replicated at GE2015
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All the left leaning media are focusing on the "massive" cuts programmed in by George. I kinda of wonder if he doesn't mind that. I mean we have had 4 years of those same voices telling us the world will end due to cuts and it hasn't happened. The boy that cried wolf and all that. Also, the question then becomes, well what would Labour do, given they say they will basically follow general George's plans on borrowing.0
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YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories take one-point lead, Lib Dems fall to fifth: CON 32%, LAB 31%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 7%0
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Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories take one-point lead, Lib Dems fall to fifth: CON 32%, LAB 31%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 7%
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I'm off to bed now, so don't have the energy to work it out now, will look at it over the weekend, but you can extrapolate from the full data tables hereTheuniondivvie said:
How many of them were among the 62% that were always going to vote no?TheScreamingEagles said:What were the two or three most important issues in deciding on how you voted?
57% of no voters, it was the pound
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/LORD-ASHCROFT-POLLS-Post-referendum-poll-tables-Sept-2014.pdf0 -
A handy starting point for tomorrow... will we see a bigger Tory lead than the odd 1% ones we've been seeing more and more....MikeL said:YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories take one-point lead, Lib Dems fall to fifth: CON 32%, LAB 31%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 7%
Will Bobby Sol be back up front on Saturday...
Will Chelsea complete their usual double over Spurs in a few short weeks.
At least one is a cert.0 -
It's a very rare curry house that whips up 30 meals in 30 minutes. Most only have a dozen or two tables.Charles said:
Now try working long hours, in an overheated kitchen, and whipping up 30 meals in 30 minutes, each perfectly cooked and in line with the whims of the customerSocrates said:
Why not train up people without cooking experience? It's only whipping up a balti, it's hardly rocket science.NickPalmer said:
Not following the logic. You say that anything paid less than £30K is definitely easy to learn?Socrates said:
Keith Vaz is a numpty. If a job is paid less than £30k a year (and I think he's got his numbers wrong on that anyway) you can definitely train someone up in the UK to do it.
Anecdotally, in the specific case, I talked last year to an Asian restaurant manager who said he'd made a deliberate attempt to recruit non-Asian cooks to save the hassle of getting visas - he only asked that they should have general cooking experience, and offered to train them in Asian food - but got only two applicants, who gave up after a week and a fortnight respectively. "They just found it outside their comfort zone," he said.
And it sounds like the work conditions weren't great either.
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60% of the public say they think 5 years more of cuts are unnecessary, according to Ashcroft.FrancisUrquhart said:All the left leaning media are focusing on the "massive" cuts programmed in by George. I kinda of wonder if he doesn't mind that. I mean we have had 4 years of those same voices telling us the world will end due to cuts and it hasn't happened. The boy that cried wolf and all that. Also, the question then becomes, well what would Labour do, given they say they will basically follow general George's plans on borrowing.
That said, your second point is pertinent: Labour still don't seem to have realised they can't (justifiably) complain about the harshness of Tory economic policies when they're committed to the same policies.0 -
Why did the others decide to vote no? Was it Salmonds smug visage? The unconvincing economics? The lack of a real defence policy? Or the lack of a viable currency?Theuniondivvie said:
How many of them were among the 62% that were always going to vote no?TheScreamingEagles said:What were the two or three most important issues in deciding on how you voted?
57% of no voters, it was the pound
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Referendum-day-poll-summary-1409191.pdf
Personally, I think the currency was critical, but possibly you are right and the Scottish public saw through another part of Salmonds bluff and bluster.
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