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System · June 26

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Conservative 2019 voters who viewed the #BBCdebate think Sunak won by 82% to 18%https://t.co/wjNCCLiyWP pic.twitter.com/xe8eWvhX3E

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Benpointer · June 26

First!

Benpointer · June 26

Georgia saves us from the Netherlands!

GIN1138 · June 26

Thought Rishi did quite well but won't make any difference.

James_M · June 26

Clive and Laura need to work on this double act. They keep speaking over each other.

Jonathan · June 26

I missed the debate. I was in the pub. Who won?

Me

tlg86 · June 26

Benpointer said:
Georgia saves us from the Netherlands!

I'm far from certain that Slovakia is easier than the Netherlands. The Dutch were pretty awful yesterday.

Richard_Tyndall · June 26

Can we have the Georgian team please? Same flags and symbols so maybe no one would notice. At least until they started playing and people realised they were way too good to be England

MisterBedfordshire · June 26

Jonathan said:
I missed the debate. I was in the pub. Who won?

Me

Georgia

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 26

Absolutely sensational from Georgia, brilliant win.

Scott_xP · June 26

@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

highwayparadise306 · June 26

A tie. Of course it is. It was hell watching it.

Tim_in_Ruislip · June 26

Very favourable to the tories, that debate.

The question selection, the BBC write-up.

Still, Sunak performed well. The years of drilling by Dowden et al really show in that format.

Labour's final pitch - rolled out at the end - was simple and effective. Sunak's "Surrender" thing was embarrassing.

Overall, Sunak and CCHQ will be happy. Labour will be nervously poll-watching over the next few days.

Stuartinromford · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.

HYUFD · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

Those numbers far closer than they were as is the headline debate figure apart from 'in touch' which given Sunak's wealth unsurprising.'

2019 Tories who had been undecided now saying Rishi won tonight by a landslide.

Given today's polls showing 41% Labour 20% Tory 15% Reform if by polling day we got to something like an exit poll of 36% Labour 29% Tory 11% Reform after this debate that would be like 2017 was for Labour for Tories. That now at the absolute top end of hopes though

FF43 · June 26

Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

RandallFlagg · June 26

Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)

nico679 · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

Sunak did a bit better on likeable and trustworthy compared to the first debate but the in touch result looks very bad for him .

Stereodog · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

This tells me that the headline poll is giving Sunak credit for an effective performance rather than for anything he said.

highwayparadise306 · June 26

They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.

MisterBedfordshire · June 26

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)

Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u

highwayparadise306 · June 26

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.

He did better in that debate.

Fairliered · June 26

“I suspect this debate will not change the fundamentals, Sunak is the worst rated PM at the eve of an election and the same applies to his government. In around nine days Sir Keir Starmer will become Prime Minister.”
It won’t, but it might reduce the margin of defeat slightly.

OnboardG1 · June 26

FPT: I think someone should have the guts to organise a Lincoln-Douglas style debate. Six minutes from speaker A, nine minutes from speaker B and a three minute rejoinder from speaker A on each topic. You could cover six topics in two hours and it would be a damned sight more instructive than this rubbish because they'd have to develop their arguments.

Fairliered · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

Or leave your flies open in the garden!

HYUFD · June 26

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)

If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority.

In my view Starmer's performance and comments will have appealed more to 2019 SNP voters, LDs and Remainers than Leavers in the redwall and English marginals

highwayparadise306 · June 26

MisterBedfordshire said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u

I remember Farage in Scotand a few years ago. He was virtually kicked out. Are chimps in the zoo taking this surveys.

Ghedebrav · June 26

Watched Georgia’s stalwart performance against Portugal instead of this rancid debate format (which, surely, has to be completely rethought next time round?).

Fabulous result for the Georgians, and it’s always good to see Portugal get slapped.

highwayparadise306 · June 26

highwayparadise306 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
I remember Farage in Scotand a few years ago. He was virtually kicked out. Are chimps in the zoo taking this surveys.

These surveys.

Richard_Tyndall · June 26

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Absolutely sensational from Georgia, brilliant win.

They played with such passion and amazing individual skills. They managed to make Portugal look really pedestrian at times. Best game of the tournament so far.

carnforth · June 26

Wolfgang Munchau in The New Statesman on the likely limits/folly of Starmer's "renegotiation":

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2024/06/brexit-keir-starmer-eu-uk-haunt-labour-government

Fairliered · June 26

HYUFD said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority

Which seats? Ayr? Where else?

SirNorfolkPassmore · June 26

People on here grossly overestimate how many people will have watched that, and how many of them were genuinely undecided.

All of this is of marginal importance.

SteveS · June 26

I missed the opportunity to comment on the coding debate on the last thread. I’m going to throw in Whitespace as a language and Galactic Trader for anyone who used Vax / vms

londonpubman · June 26

Hopefully we can beat Slovakia. I am quite hopeful for Sunday evening

I am less confident of a CON majority

Andy_JS · June 26

MisterBedfordshire said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u

If Ref are on about 20% in England they're probably polling around 5-6% in Scotland.

Benpointer · June 26

FF43 said:
Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

Er... reminds me of this one:

https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/12/12/that-he-should-be-so-lucky/

OnboardG1 · June 26

Andy_JS said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
If Ref are on about 20% in England they're probably polling around 5-6% in Scotland.

Depends on the respective loon quotient for each nation and where they go. The SNP probably retain the indy backing loons.

highwayparadise306 · June 26

Fairliered said:

HYUFD said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority
Which seats? Ayr? Where else?

That is entirely possible.

Ghedebrav · June 26

Fwiw I doubt this debate will have shifted much opinion at all. No big talking points; wagergate and D-Day (and poor no-Sky Rishi) have been the real campaign moments, all of which demonstrate a party not fit to govern and a PM unfit to lead. Policies at this point are moot.

nico679 · June 26

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.

I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying and unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

Mexicanpete · June 26

highwayparadise306 said:
They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.

Wasn't that Sunak?

I'm joking!

highwayparadise306 · June 26

Mexicanpete said:

highwayparadise306 said:
They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.
Wasn't that Sunak?

I'm joking!

And it is funny!

boulay · June 26

FF43 said:
Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the consciousness of the world.

It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.

Farooq · June 26

SteveS said:
I missed the opportunity to comment on the coding debate on the last thread. I’m going to throw in Whitespace as a language and Galactic Trader for anyone who used Vax / vms

Whitespace is a monstrosity. Truly demonic.

kle4 · June 26

I missed all the excitement as I attended the first hustings of my life, in SWW Wiltshire.

My main takeaway - the chairs were very uncomfortable.

There, I hope that helps inform any constituency betting in this seat.

Flatlander · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

Ah, but which sort of wasp?

This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

Ghedebrav · June 26

nico679 said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.

This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.

bondegezou · June 26

I didn’t watch the debate, just seeing the highlights, and Sunak’s repeated use of “surrender” comes across to me as very artificial and performative. He’s just saying anything, and it shows.

OnboardG1 · June 26

boulay said:

FF43 said:
Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/
Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the conscientious of the world.

It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.

I'm sure senpai will notice you eventually if you keep defending his honour on here.

Benpointer · June 26

londonpubman said:
Hopefully we can beat Slovakia. I am quite hopeful for Sunday evening

I am less confident of a CON majority

You think England have more chance of winning than the Conservatives?

#lowbar

HYUFD · June 26

Fairliered said:

HYUFD said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority
Which seats? Ayr? Where else?

Scottish Labour gains from the SNP

Farooq · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.

Benpointer · June 26

boulay said:

FF43 said:
Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/
Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the consciousness of the world.

It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.

Right, forget that old PB header I linked to earlier. Nothing to see here...

IanB2 · June 26

The most pointed statistic in that lot is probably that only 17% found the debate helpful

maxh · June 26

Ghedebrav said:

nico679 said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.

Agreed. I really hope we drop the head to head format for future elections. It does absolutely nothing good for politics or democracy.

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

Flatlander said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.
Ah, but which sort of wasp?

This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

Yah, the ruiner of picnics.

kle4 · June 26

boulay said:

FF43 said:
Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/
Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the conscience of the world.

It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.

Journalists perform a vital function. I'm even prepared to say political commentators (who I would not class as journalists personally) perform a useful function.

But at times it can feel a bit like those who are too afraid to try something moaning about those who were not too afraid to try.

That's not to go soft on politicians, they ask to be given power and so must accept getting a harsh deal to a degree, but occasionally I feel like a well crafted line of criticism, though often merited, is a very easy thing to do versus attempting to implement things.

biggles · June 26

On that draw, with this squad, England should be red hot favourites. They are not. Piss off Southgate.

Farooq · June 26

Flatlander said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.
Ah, but which sort of wasp?

This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

If you somehow get a wasp stuck... there... then your picnic had already gone seriously wrong before the insect turned up.

Benpointer · June 26

Flatlander said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.
Ah, but which sort of wasp?

This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

Can't believe TSE would associate with anything vulgaris tbh.

biggles · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

Suggests a bit too skewed to the working class to me, if it has working class folk like you in it.

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.

I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.

Flatlander · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:

Flatlander said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.
Ah, but which sort of wasp?

This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

Yah, the ruiner of picnics.

Swat away...

I once found out why most mountain bike helmets have a mesh on the front vent these days.

Not good.

boulay · June 26

OnboardG1 said:

boulay said:

FF43 said:
Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/
Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the conscientious of the world.

It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.
I'm sure senpai will notice you eventually if you keep defending his honour on here.

Yes, I want to be beholden to him. I live somewhere else outside his government and influence, don’t need his politics, his money, his contacts, but other than that you are correct.

RochdalePioneers · June 26

SirNorfolkPassmore said:
People on here grossly overestimate how many people will have watched that, and how many of them were genuinely undecided.

All of this is of marginal importance.

82% of 2019 Tories thought Sunak won.

82%!

And the impact on their plan not to vote for Sunak? 0.82%

Farooq · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.

How did the waspectomy go?

HYUFD · June 26

The Sun headline very positive for Rishi 'RISHI'S RIGHT HOOK General Election 2024 updates -Rishi skewers Keir on immigration, taxes & women’s rights in fiery last debate'
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28286594/general-election-2024-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

Fairliered · June 26

Flatlander said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.
Ah, but which sort of wasp?

This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

Any wasp with the temerity to find itself inside @TSE’s foreskin would be extremely vulgaris.

biggles · June 26

RochdalePioneers said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:
People on here grossly overestimate how many people will have watched that, and how many of them were genuinely undecided.

All of this is of marginal importance.
82% of 2019 Tories thought Sunak won.

82%!

And the impact on their plan not to vote for Sunak? 0.82%

Dunno. When you’re as far in the poo as Tory poll figures and his ratings are, this sort of thing can help reversion to the mean. I still think they could push 30% by polling day.

kle4 · June 26

HYUFD said:
The Sun headline very positive for Rishi 'RISHI'S RIGHT HOOK General Election 2024 updates -Rishi skewers Keir on immigration, taxes & women’s rights in fiery last debate'
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28286594/general-election-2024-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

With a last gasp week of positive headlines I'm sure the Tories can climb to the dizzying heights of 100 seats, +- 10.

RochdalePioneers · June 26

RandallFlagg said:
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BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)

Will be curious how this plays out considering the vast differences between different profiles of seats!

biggles · June 26

P.S. Whoever gave the Austria tip - thank you. Excellent trading potential.

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

I am going to regret telling you this all but...

My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

kle4 · June 26

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)

The LDs ability to remain at about 5-10% across nations and demographics is impressive.

Well done to Alba for getting on the board.

Fairliered · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.

And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?

Tim_in_Ruislip · June 26

Tim_in_Ruislip said:
Very favourable to the tories, that debate.

The question selection, the BBC write-up.

Still, Sunak performed well. The years of drilling by Dowden et al really show in that format.

Labour's final pitch - rolled out at the end - was simple and effective. Sunak's "Surrender" thing was embarrassing.

Overall, Sunak and CCHQ will be happy. Labour will be nervously poll-watching over the next few days.

Hmm. Thinking more about the "surrender" stuff. I'm not so sure it is so bad. It's presumably designed to rile up @Casino_Royale and the like, and I think it's likely to work as intended. It's not designed to win the centre. It's heavily defensive. Will it lose more votes than it helps retain?

It's obvious that it's obvious to CCHQ that the party is facing potential extinction.

The "surrender" shite is probably the best they've got, pathetic as it may seem to the rest of us.

kle4 · June 26

RochdalePioneers said:

RandallFlagg said:
Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
BBS +
@heraldscotland
EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

Lab ~ 37% (+1)
SNP ~ 31% (-1)
Con ~ 14% (-3)
RUK ~ 8% (new)
LD ~ 7% (-2)
Grn ~ 3% (new)
Alba ~ 1% (+1)
Will be curious how this plays out considering the vast differences between different profiles of seats!

And the lack of candidates for Green and Alba in some of them (admittedly that would be a fairly low impact).

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?

It wasn't Foxy.

rottenborough · June 26

Nobody cares.

BartholomewRoberts · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.

Though, was he wearing crocs with socks?

kle4 · June 26

maxh said:

Ghedebrav said:

nico679 said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.
Agreed. I really hope we drop the head to head format for future elections. It does absolutely nothing good for politics or democracy.

It generates media attention, and vast column inches and blog posts. So if they have anything to do with it it won't be going anywhere.

One party, I think the LDs, want to mandate tv debates.

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

BartholomewRoberts said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
Though, was he wearing crocs with socks?

No socks.

rottenborough · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
It wasn't Foxy.

Don't they all wear crocs or similar in the surgery type areas? Hygiene thing?

Or have I imagined this for some weird reason?

Sunil_Prasannan · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to regret telling you this all but...

My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

Picnic? As in chocolate bar? I would have p, p, picked up a Penguin instead

dixiedean · June 26

maxh said:

Ghedebrav said:

nico679 said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:
@YouGov

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.
Agreed. I really hope we drop the head to head format for future elections. It does absolutely nothing good for politics or democracy.

Particularly if it doesn't involve the top two.

rottenborough · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to regret telling you this all but...

My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

I like the look of your lunchbox?

eek · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.

Comfortable, easily washable - I can fully get why hospital staff wear them...

dixiedean · June 26

Ghedebrav said:
Watched Georgia’s stalwart performance against Portugal instead of this rancid debate format (which, surely, has to be completely rethought next time round?).

Fabulous result for the Georgians, and it’s always good to see Portugal get slapped.

Do you mean Portugal?
Or Cristiano Ronaldo?

TheScreamingEagles · June 26

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to regret telling you this all but...

My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.
I like the look of your lunchbox?

No, that's far too subtle for me.

The line was

Me: Do you know the difference between a prawn cocktail sandwich and a [certain sex act]?

Her: No

Me: Cool, do you fancy going on a picnic with me?

Her: Oh you absolute fucking dickhead.

Scott_xP · June 26

@LOS_Fisher

NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

dixiedean · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to regret telling you this all but...

My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

You didn't take a creampie to eat did you?

kle4 · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@LOS_Fisher

NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

Must be the first police case in years which has moved at lightning pace.

boulay · June 26

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to regret telling you this all but...

My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

She got stung by a wasp and you said “ not the only prick you are going to feel today”?

FrancisUrquhart · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@LOS_Fisher

NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

Can the MET investigate the MET officers?

Foxy · June 26

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Farooq said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
I have never worn crocs in my life.

Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
It wasn't Foxy.
Don't they all wear crocs or similar in the surgery type areas? Hygiene thing?

Or have I imagined this for some weird reason?

We are banned from Crocs, though surgical clogs are similar.

Something to do with the holes and infection risk or so I am told.

biggles · June 26

Scott_xP said:
@LOS_Fisher

NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

Hmmm.

Police officer overhearing decisions and making bets? Possible misconduct in public office. I can see that.

An MP who is not a minister? Much harder.

FrancisUrquhart · June 26

So if England can bore past Slovakia, its the Suiss or the Italians in the QFs. Be home time if England don't suddenly play well.

The thing is England's side of the draw is the much easier one. I don't think they had a better route to a final in modern times. Now they don't face any of the real big boys until the final.

eek · June 26

Newsnight are using the Game of Thrones theme tune.

And a set of none entities being interviewed...

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