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SystemSystem Posts: 12,159
edited July 4 in General
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Conservative 2019 voters who viewed the #BBCdebate think Sunak won by 82% to 18%https://t.co/wjNCCLiyWP pic.twitter.com/xe8eWvhX3E

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    First!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Georgia saves us from the Netherlands!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261
    Thought Rishi did quite well but won't make any difference.
  • James_MJames_M Posts: 103
    Clive and Laura need to work on this double act. They keep speaking over each other.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    Benpointer said:

    Georgia saves us from the Netherlands!

    I'm far from certain that Slovakia is easier than the Netherlands. The Dutch were pretty awful yesterday.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    Absolutely sensational from Georgia, brilliant win.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977
    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    A tie. Of course it is. It was hell watching it.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited June 26
    Very favourable to the tories, that debate.

    The question selection, the BBC write-up.

    Still, Sunak performed well. The years of drilling by Dowden et al really show in that format.

    Labour's final pitch - rolled out at the end - was simple and effective. Sunak's "Surrender" thing was embarrassing.

    Overall, Sunak and CCHQ will be happy. Labour will be nervously poll-watching over the next few days.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited June 26
    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Those numbers far closer than they were as is the headline debate figure apart from 'in touch' which given Sunak's wealth unsurprising.'

    2019 Tories who had been undecided now saying Rishi won tonight by a landslide.

    Given today's polls showing 41% Labour 20% Tory 15% Reform if by polling day we got to something like an exit poll of 36% Labour 29% Tory 11% Reform after this debate that would be like 2017 was for Labour for Tories. That now at the absolute top end of hopes though
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,290
    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Sunak did a bit better on likeable and trustworthy compared to the first debate but the in touch result looks very bad for him .
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 692
    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    This tells me that the headline poll is giving Sunak credit for an effective performance rather than for anything he said.
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited June 26
    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
    Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
    He did better in that debate.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    “I suspect this debate will not change the fundamentals, Sunak is the worst rated PM at the eve of an election and the same applies to his government. In around nine days Sir Keir Starmer will become Prime Minister.”
    It won’t, but it might reduce the margin of defeat slightly.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    FPT: I think someone should have the guts to organise a Lincoln-Douglas style debate. Six minutes from speaker A, nine minutes from speaker B and a three minute rejoinder from speaker A on each topic. You could cover six topics in two hours and it would be a damned sight more instructive than this rubbish because they'd have to develop their arguments.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

    Or leave your flies open in the garden!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited June 26
    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority.

    In my view Starmer's performance and comments will have appealed more to 2019 SNP voters, LDs and Remainers than Leavers in the redwall and English marginals
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
    Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
    I remember Farage in Scotand a few years ago. He was virtually kicked out. Are chimps in the zoo taking this surveys.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Watched Georgia’s stalwart performance against Portugal instead of this rancid debate format (which, surely, has to be completely rethought next time round?).

    Fabulous result for the Georgians, and it’s always good to see Portugal get slapped.
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    highwayparadise306 said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
    Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
    I remember Farage in Scotand a few years ago. He was virtually kicked out. Are chimps in the zoo taking this surveys.
    These surveys.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,507
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Absolutely sensational from Georgia, brilliant win.

    They played with such passion and amazing individual skills. They managed to make Portugal look really pedestrian at times. Best game of the tournament so far.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,568
    Wolfgang Munchau in The New Statesman on the likely limits/folly of Starmer's "renegotiation":

    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2024/06/brexit-keir-starmer-eu-uk-haunt-labour-government
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    HYUFD said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority
    Which seats? Ayr? Where else?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    People on here grossly overestimate how many people will have watched that, and how many of them were genuinely undecided.

    All of this is of marginal importance.
  • SteveSSteveS Posts: 182
    I missed the opportunity to comment on the coding debate on the last thread. I’m going to throw in Whitespace as a language and Galactic Trader for anyone who used Vax / vms
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Hopefully we can beat Slovakia. I am quite hopeful for Sunday evening

    I am less confident of a CON majority
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
    Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
    If Ref are on about 20% in England they're probably polling around 5-6% in Scotland.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    FF43 said:

    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

    Er... reminds me of this one:

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/12/12/that-he-should-be-so-lucky/
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Andy_JS said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Reform 8% in Scotland? Higher than the libdems?
    Shurely shome mishtake. Should be about 2%?u
    If Ref are on about 20% in England they're probably polling around 5-6% in Scotland.
    Depends on the respective loon quotient for each nation and where they go. The SNP probably retain the indy backing loons.
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    Fairliered said:

    HYUFD said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority
    Which seats? Ayr? Where else?
    That is entirely possible.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Fwiw I doubt this debate will have shifted much opinion at all. No big talking points; wagergate and D-Day (and poor no-Sky Rishi) have been the real campaign moments, all of which demonstrate a party not fit to govern and a PM unfit to lead. Policies at this point are moot.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    edited June 26
    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
    I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

    I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying and unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    edited June 26
    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    highwayparadise306 said:

    They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.

    Wasn't that Sunak?

    I'm joking!
  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    Mexicanpete said:

    highwayparadise306 said:

    They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.

    Wasn't that Sunak?

    I'm joking!
    Mexicanpete said:

    highwayparadise306 said:

    They did shut up the guy screaming in the background at the debate after about the first twenty minutes.

    Wasn't that Sunak?

    I'm joking!
    And it is funny!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    edited June 26
    FF43 said:

    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

    Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

    What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the consciousness of the world.

    It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    I missed all the excitement as I attended the first hustings of my life, in SWW Wiltshire.

    My main takeaway - the chairs were very uncomfortable.

    There, I hope that helps inform any constituency betting in this seat.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,660
    edited June 26
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

    Ah, but which sort of wasp?

    This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

    I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    nico679 said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
    I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

    I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
    This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

    Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    I didn’t watch the debate, just seeing the highlights, and Sunak’s repeated use of “surrender” comes across to me as very artificial and performative. He’s just saying anything, and it shows.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

    Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

    What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the conscientious of the world.

    It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.
    I'm sure senpai will notice you eventually if you keep defending his honour on here.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    londonpubman said:

    Hopefully we can beat Slovakia. I am quite hopeful for Sunday evening

    I am less confident of a CON majority

    You think England have more chance of winning than the Conservatives?

    #lowbar
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Fairliered said:

    HYUFD said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    If the Tories really narrow the gap post this debate, on that poll it would be Scottish gains from the SNP which gives Starmer a clear UK wide majority
    Which seats? Ayr? Where else?
    Scottish Labour gains from the SNP
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    edited June 26
    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

    Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

    What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the consciousness of the world.

    It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.
    Right, forget that old PB header I linked to earlier. Nothing to see here...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    The most pointed statistic in that lot is probably that only 17% found the debate helpful
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,224
    Ghedebrav said:

    nico679 said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
    I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

    I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
    This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

    Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.
    Agreed. I really hope we drop the head to head format for future elections. It does absolutely nothing good for politics or democracy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    Flatlander said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

    Ah, but which sort of wasp?

    This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

    I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

    Yah, the ruiner of picnics.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

    Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

    What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the conscience of the world.

    It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.
    Journalists perform a vital function. I'm even prepared to say political commentators (who I would not class as journalists personally) perform a useful function.

    But at times it can feel a bit like those who are too afraid to try something moaning about those who were not too afraid to try.

    That's not to go soft on politicians, they ask to be given power and so must accept getting a harsh deal to a degree, but occasionally I feel like a well crafted line of criticism, though often merited, is a very easy thing to do versus attempting to implement things.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    On that draw, with this squad, England should be red hot favourites. They are not. Piss off Southgate.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Flatlander said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

    Ah, but which sort of wasp?

    This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

    I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

    Can't believe TSE would associate with anything vulgaris tbh.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Suggests a bit too skewed to the working class to me, if it has working class folk like you in it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,660
    edited June 26
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flatlander said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

    Ah, but which sort of wasp?

    This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

    I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

    Yah, the ruiner of picnics.
    Swat away...

    I once found out why most mountain bike helmets have a mesh on the front vent these days.

    Not good.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    OnboardG1 said:

    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    Cracking article on the happy path that was Sunak's career. Until it wasn't.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-rise-and-fall-of-rishi/

    Cracking in the way a bitter journalist who really nobody will remember wants to find a way to make himself feel better.

    What an absolute c. A journalist putting someone’s achievements on paper as a means of diminishing them when their own achievements are the tiniest woodlouse shit in the conscientious of the world.

    It’s amazing how many journalists are so much more intelligent than those they write about but then, just stay average journalists.
    I'm sure senpai will notice you eventually if you keep defending his honour on here.
    Yes, I want to be beholden to him. I live somewhere else outside his government and influence, don’t need his politics, his money, his contacts, but other than that you are correct.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    People on here grossly overestimate how many people will have watched that, and how many of them were genuinely undecided.

    All of this is of marginal importance.

    82% of 2019 Tories thought Sunak won.

    82%!

    And the impact on their plan not to vote for Sunak? 0.82%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    The Sun headline very positive for Rishi 'RISHI'S RIGHT HOOK General Election 2024 updates -Rishi skewers Keir on immigration, taxes & women’s rights in fiery last debate'
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28286594/general-election-2024-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    Flatlander said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm never going to look at a wasp in the same way ever again.

    Ah, but which sort of wasp?

    This being pedantic betting, I have to point out that there are thousands of wasp species in the UK and many are fascinating and also slightly disturbing.

    I'm assuming your wasp was the classic Vespula vulgaris, ruiner of picnics?

    Any wasp with the temerity to find itself inside @TSE’s foreskin would be extremely vulgaris.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    RochdalePioneers said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    People on here grossly overestimate how many people will have watched that, and how many of them were genuinely undecided.

    All of this is of marginal importance.

    82% of 2019 Tories thought Sunak won.

    82%!

    And the impact on their plan not to vote for Sunak? 0.82%
    Dunno. When you’re as far in the poo as Tory poll figures and his ratings are, this sort of thing can help reversion to the mean. I still think they could push 30% by polling day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    HYUFD said:

    The Sun headline very positive for Rishi 'RISHI'S RIGHT HOOK General Election 2024 updates -Rishi skewers Keir on immigration, taxes & women’s rights in fiery last debate'
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28286594/general-election-2024-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

    With a last gasp week of positive headlines I'm sure the Tories can climb to the dizzying heights of 100 seats, +- 10.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Will be curious how this plays out considering the vast differences between different profiles of seats!
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    P.S. Whoever gave the Austria tip - thank you. Excellent trading potential.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited June 26
    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    The LDs ability to remain at about 5-10% across nations and demographics is impressive.

    Well done to Alba for getting on the board.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited June 26
    Tim_in_Ruislip said:

    Very favourable to the tories, that debate.

    The question selection, the BBC write-up.

    Still, Sunak performed well. The years of drilling by Dowden et al really show in that format.

    Labour's final pitch - rolled out at the end - was simple and effective. Sunak's "Surrender" thing was embarrassing.

    Overall, Sunak and CCHQ will be happy. Labour will be nervously poll-watching over the next few days.

    Hmm. Thinking more about the "surrender" stuff. I'm not so sure it is so bad. It's presumably designed to rile up @Casino_Royale and the like, and I think it's likely to work as intended. It's not designed to win the centre. It's heavily defensive. Will it lose more votes than it helps retain?

    It's obvious that it's obvious to CCHQ that the party is facing potential extinction.

    The "surrender" shite is probably the best they've got, pathetic as it may seem to the rest of us.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    RochdalePioneers said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    Ballot Box Scotland
    @BallotBoxScot
    BBS +
    @heraldscotland
    EXCLUSIVE: New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Survation 21-25 Jun (changes vs 23-27 May):

    Lab ~ 37% (+1)
    SNP ~ 31% (-1)
    Con ~ 14% (-3)
    RUK ~ 8% (new)
    LD ~ 7% (-2)
    Grn ~ 3% (new)
    Alba ~ 1% (+1)

    Will be curious how this plays out considering the vast differences between different profiles of seats!
    And the lack of candidates for Green and Alba in some of them (admittedly that would be a fairly low impact).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
    It wasn't Foxy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Nobody cares.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    Though, was he wearing crocs with socks?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    maxh said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    nico679 said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
    I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

    I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
    This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

    Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.
    Agreed. I really hope we drop the head to head format for future elections. It does absolutely nothing good for politics or democracy.
    It generates media attention, and vast column inches and blog posts. So if they have anything to do with it it won't be going anywhere.

    One party, I think the LDs, want to mandate tv debates.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,602
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    Though, was he wearing crocs with socks?
    No socks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
    It wasn't Foxy.
    Don't they all wear crocs or similar in the surgery type areas? Hygiene thing?

    Or have I imagined this for some weird reason?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,808
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

    Picnic? As in chocolate bar? I would have p, p, picked up a Penguin instead :lol:
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    maxh said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    nico679 said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov

    Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

    Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
    Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
    In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
    Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

    Didn't something like this happen with the ITV debate as well? Sunak did way better on the headline "winning the debate" question than any of the supplementaries? When all the dust settles, there feels like a project for someone to work out why.
    I think it shows the public are quite savvy in separating out their current voting intention and watching the debate from a neutral standpoint .

    I scored Sunak as the winner but find him really annoying an unlikeable. And I think you can hold both positions at the same time.
    This is spot on, and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

    Honestly I think these debates just make politicians in general look worse. The Sky format was probably the best.
    Agreed. I really hope we drop the head to head format for future elections. It does absolutely nothing good for politics or democracy.
    Particularly if it doesn't involve the top two.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

    I like the look of your lunchbox?

  • eekeek Posts: 28,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.

    Comfortable, easily washable - I can fully get why hospital staff wear them...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Ghedebrav said:

    Watched Georgia’s stalwart performance against Portugal instead of this rancid debate format (which, surely, has to be completely rethought next time round?).

    Fabulous result for the Georgians, and it’s always good to see Portugal get slapped.

    Do you mean Portugal?
    Or Cristiano Ronaldo?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977
    @LOS_Fisher

    NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

    Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

    You didn't take a creampie to eat did you?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

    Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

    Must be the first police case in years which has moved at lightning pace.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

    She got stung by a wasp and you said “ not the only prick you are going to feel today”?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

    Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

    Can the MET investigate the MET officers?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
    It wasn't Foxy.
    Don't they all wear crocs or similar in the surgery type areas? Hygiene thing?

    Or have I imagined this for some weird reason?
    We are banned from Crocs, though surgical clogs are similar.

    Something to do with the holes and infection risk or so I am told.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher

    NEW: Met police confirms that it's taking over a small number of investigations into election-related bets from the Gambling Commission

    Move could pave the way for political figures, as well as police officers, to face charges of misconduct in public office

    Hmmm.

    Police officer overhearing decisions and making bets? Possible misconduct in public office. I can see that.

    An MP who is not a minister? Much harder.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 26
    So if England can bore past Slovakia, its the Suiss or the Italians in the QFs. Be home time if England don't suddenly play well.

    The thing is England's side of the draw is the much easier one. I don't think they had a better route to a final in modern times. Now they don't face any of the real big boys until the final.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,362
    edited June 26
    Newsnight are using the Game of Thrones theme tune.

    And a set of none entities being interviewed...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    Foxy said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Fairliered said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Farooq said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I took part in this YouGov poll, so it has a good representative sample of ordinary voters.

    Good. Most polls seriously under-represent the cravat & crocs wearing demographic.
    I have never worn crocs in my life.

    Do you know the truly scary moment when I was in hospital and the doctor told me I needed emergency surgery?

    The doctor who told me was wearing crocs.
    And you trusted him with your life? Was he Foxy?
    It wasn't Foxy.
    Don't they all wear crocs or similar in the surgery type areas? Hygiene thing?

    Or have I imagined this for some weird reason?
    We are banned from Crocs, though surgical clogs are similar.

    Something to do with the holes and infection risk or so I am told.
    If you perform surgery on me I’d prefer it if you used your hands rather than your feet if that’s ok?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

    I like the look of your lunchbox?

    No, that's far too subtle for me.

    The line was

    Me: Do you know the difference between a prawn cocktail sandwich and a [certain sex act]?

    Her: No

    Me: Cool, do you fancy going on a picnic with me?

    Her: Oh you absolute fucking dickhead.
    I think we need clarification. Your original post implied you had actually been on the picnic date whereas later information seems to indicate you asked the potential date and they said "dickhead". :smiley:


  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am going to regret telling you this all but...

    My first ever date was a picnic and the chat up line I used was picnic related.

    I like the look of your lunchbox?

    No, that's far too subtle for me.

    The line was

    Me: Do you know the difference between a prawn cocktail sandwich and a [certain sex act]?

    Her: No

    Me: Cool, do you fancy going on a picnic with me?

    Her: Oh you absolute fucking dickhead.
    I think we need clarification. Your original post implied you had actually been on the picnic date whereas later information seems to indicate you asked the potential date and they said "dickhead". :smiley:


    It could be both?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    eek said:

    Newsnight are using the Game of Thrones theme tune.

    And a set of none entities being interviewed...

    Newsnight needs taking out the back and putting down. No big beasts feel the need to go on Newsnight these days, its years since it was THE show that government and opposition felt they had to be interviewed on about the topics of the day.
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