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Just what Farage didn't want. Ex-MEP & BNP leader, Nick Griffin, says he's now supporting UKIP http://t.co/EYq16a4jg9
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Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?0 -
Nick Griffin's endorsement for UKIP is as bad as his endorsement to Boris Johnson:
Today
Nick Griffin @nickjgriffinbnp
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@BullshineBilly I will hold nose & vote Ukip because it will help break up the Westminster system. & hold Cameron's feet to referendum fire.
2008
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/apr/02/london08.london
"Our suggestion … is that you hold your nose and cast it in favour of the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson. "
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Indeed. The Griffin Tweet was issued yesterday evening.TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
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Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%0 -
How funny that your post came just after TSE's. apparently Nige needs to get out of the pub quick and condemn the BNP if he's to keep up with Boris:)Speedy said:Nick Griffin's endorsement for UKIP is as bad as his endorsement to Boris Johnson:
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Nick Griffin @nickjgriffinbnp
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@BullshineBilly I will hold nose & vote Ukip because it will help break up the Westminster system. & hold Cameron's feet to referendum fire.
2008
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/apr/02/london08.london
"Our suggestion … is that you hold your nose and cast it in favour of the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson. "
End of story.0 -
TSE pipped you to the post, I'm afraidSpeedy said:Nick Griffin's endorsement for UKIP is as bad as his endorsement to Boris Johnson:
Today
Nick Griffin @nickjgriffinbnp
Follow
@BullshineBilly I will hold nose & vote Ukip because it will help break up the Westminster system. & hold Cameron's feet to referendum fire.
2008
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/apr/02/london08.london
"Our suggestion … is that you hold your nose and cast it in favour of the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson. "
End of story.
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Dog whistles work, who knew0
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5-6... Hmm...
Have the Cons at 9-2 already0 -
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
In case you won't say sorry regardless, why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
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You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%0 -
Oh dear stop digging m8 it's just embarassing.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
In case you won't say sorry, why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?0 -
The difference is Griffin and the BNP in 2008 were reaching the height of their 'popularity'/notoriety. Now they are a complete irrelevance who don't require a response.TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
I'm sure Nige will reject this 'endorsement' if asked about it, but I don't see that dignifying a Nick Griffin tweet with a direct response does anybody but Nick Griffin any favours.
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By the same rationale, did Labour say they didn't want any votes from child rapists in the recent South Yorks PPC election?
But, perhaps with their policies in Rotherham, they didn't need to.0 -
Thanks for this, I got 11-4 and happy with thatPulpstar said:5-6... Hmm...
Have the Cons at 9-2 already0 -
Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution0 -
Adding the tea leaves of NOM being talked up as a great bet even at 1.5 and Labour being ahead still, and also mutterings from the SNP on c&s etc - Labour minority methinks.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%0 -
Messers Mike Smithson and the twisted TSE are getting more than a little crazy when going after UKIP. They will be foaming at the mouth soon, if not already. There is more than a whiff of hysteria about the threads this weekend.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29453341
Griffin was expelled from BNP in October.0 -
Labour is currently at these levels close to a majority without scotland.Pulpstar said:
Adding the tea leaves of NOM being talked up as a great bet even at 1.5 and Labour being ahead still, and also mutterings from the SNP on c&s etc - Labour minority methinks.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
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LAB 332 CON 272 LD 18TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
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Just what the Kippers needed.0
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Anyone want to own up to following Nick Griffin?MikeSmithson said:
Indeed. The Griffin Tweet was issued yesterday evening.TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?0 -
Everyone wants an end to austerity - if there'd been a choice in 2010 we'd have had tax cuts galore. Governments have to live in the real world - -even Ed Balls ffs knows this. You are gonna be so disappointed if Labour do win next year. Remember Hollande came in on a promise of no austerity in France - How's that going? Britain and Europe are broke - get used to it.Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution0 -
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72% would support a block on in work benefits for migrants who have been in Britain for less than two years
78% would support a block on out of work benefits for migrants who have been in Britain for less than 2 years
Both Labour and Conservatives policies on removing benefits from EU immigrants are (unsurprisingly) supported.0 -
LMAO at "even Ed Balls". I know the right-wing tabloids try to claim he's some Marxist, but do people GENUINELY think it?felix said:
Everyone wants an end to austerity - if there'd been a choice in 2010 we'd have had tax cuts galore. Governments have to live in the real world - -even Ed Balls ffs knows this. You are gonna be so disappointed if Labour do win next year. Remember Hollande came in on a promise of no austerity in France - How's that going? Britain and Europe are broke - get used to it.Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
I still maintain that the 3 main parties' insistence on endless, unjustified austerity is a big factor in UKIP's rise. The public just are not willing to accept it.0 -
Do you try to live within your means?Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution0 -
If you think this is austerity, just wait until after next May's GE .... whoever wins!Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
Do you really, really think Labour are going to loosen the purse strings?0 -
Once again - another reply to Socrates from the end of the last thread. I always seem to get caught out at thread change time.
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay in replying back. I went into town, had my tea, watched a bit of TV etc.
Anyway, it's not easy to point to any particular single arguments that have caused my views to change - but I suppose some of it is to do with the people I mix with. I grew up on a small dairy farm and,although I'm university educated with a BSc in Agriculture I've never really worked in a graduate level job. I chose to leave the agriculture industry and have been working on the shop floor of a window/door factory for the past 10 years. Obviously that's a more left-wing environment than farming is and, being part of it has influenced me to see the world in a different way.
Also a key moment was my parents emigrating to France in 2000. I saw what a huge difference that made to their quality of life and health and well being - like me they were escaping the farming industry. They spent the final 12 years of their working lives in the tourism sector in France before returning to the UK upon their retirement two years ago. I feel very strongly that everyone and anyone (so long as they are law abiding) should have the right to live wherever they wish to live. It did my parents so much good to move to another country. So anything that cuts across freedom of movement angers me - hence my vitriolic reaction to Cameron's speech.
You're probably correct that the Greens are more economically left-wing than I still am - but we all have our special touchstone issues which influence our votes more than others. I'm sure there are things you dislike about UKIP but the things that attract you to UKIP are more important to you? For me it's environmental issues which top my list ahead of all others when choosing how to vote. I feel as let down by the " Vote Blue Go Green" stuff the Conservatives put out last time as you feel let down by their EU and immigration policies. What you and I have in common is that we've both been let down by the Conservatives on our respective key issues.
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There have been more crazy posts than that.MikeK said:Messers Mike Smithson and the twisted TSE are getting more than a little crazy when going after UKIP. They will be foaming at the mouth soon, if not already. There is more than a whiff of hysteria about the threads this weekend.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29453341
Griffin was expelled from BNP in October.
A post of equal magnitude of craziness at around the same time before the last election was this:
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/12/27/does-this-sad-news-make-an-early-election-more-likely/
The notion that the possibility of a by-election in January would have pushed the general election in February was absurd, but controversial speculation like that made more clicks.
Controversial speculative articles is the life blood of the internet and PB is no exception as a part of it.0 -
No I don't, which is why I'm still unsure about whether I'm going to vote for them. And I'm a party member.peter_from_putney said:
Do you really, really think Labour are going to loosen the purse strings?0 -
Yes, the super coverage of Cameron's speech didn't have any obvious effect.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
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Actually local councils are pretty much forced to live within their means.Floater said:
Do you try to live within your means?Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
What they're complaining about is that their income is steadily being shrunk by national government.
But its national government which refuses to live within its means.
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No speech this year seems to have made an obvious effect.NickPalmer said:
Yes, the super coverage of Cameron's speech didn't have any obvious effect.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%0 -
That's the point I was going to make, but it's more stark than you make out. I think Nick Griffin isn't even in the BNP anymore, having been chucked out by whoever took control of the party from him. And the BNP has disintegrated, with its most coherent and apparently active successor - Britain First - coming in ninth with 56 votes in their first Westminster by-election in Rochester and Strood.KentRising said:
The difference is Griffin and the BNP in 2008 were reaching the height of their 'popularity'/notoriety. Now they are a complete irrelevance who don't require a response.TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
I'm sure Nige will reject this 'endorsement' if asked about it, but I don't see that dignifying a Nick Griffin tweet with a direct response does anybody but Nick Griffin any favours.
Endorsing UKIP is about the only thing that Nick Griffin could do now, that doesn't have a period of jail time as a consequence, that would get him noticed. It's an entirely narcissistic act from him, and it barely merits a mention.0 -
Broken sleazy CROSSOVER on the slide?TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%0 -
Bit of fluctuation this week with YouGov. Leads:
Mon - Lab 4
Tue - Lab 1
Wed - Con 1
Thur - Tie
Fri - Lab 2
The Mon poll looked like Rochester bounce hurting Con and tied in with Populus and Ashcroft. It then looked like level-pegging for the three midweek polls but the Fri (only reported tonight) is a bit better for Lab.
Coupled with Friday's Populus also still having Lab 5% ahead it implies I think that Lab has marginally increased its lead post Rochester and that increase appears to have been sustained at least in part up until now.0 -
Indeed it's pretty obvious that speeches have no obvious effect other than not affecting things.Speedy said:
No speech this year seems to have made an obvious effect.
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It did. It finally pushed me out of the Conservative camp.NickPalmer said:
Yes, the super coverage of Cameron's speech didn't have any obvious effect.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%0 -
Tonight's poll fieldwork was Thursday evening + Friday daytime - so not late enough for any significant Cameron speech impact.NickPalmer said:
Yes, the super coverage of Cameron's speech didn't have any obvious effect.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
Tonight's poll could be released Fri 10pm - it's the same timetable as The Sun polls - it's just held back for 24 hours as it's for Sunday Times.0 -
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?0 -
Because nobody believes anybody anymore.Speedy said:
No speech this year seems to have made an obvious effect.NickPalmer said:
Yes, the super coverage of Cameron's speech didn't have any obvious effect.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
With reason.
But all that leaves is dislike of and bitterness towards those who are different to yourself.
And its going to get worse.
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Aww bless.MikeK said:Messers Mike Smithson and the twisted TSE are getting more than a little crazy when going after UKIP. They will be foaming at the mouth soon, if not already. There is more than a whiff of hysteria about the threads this weekend.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29453341
Griffin was expelled from BNP in October.0 -
Cyril Smith
Mike Hancock
Lord Rennard
That is all.0 -
Do you have a link to the actual letter? The one in that article doesn't work.Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
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Cameron made a speech?0
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O/T You know how finicky the US neworks are - the wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl some years back for example.
Today South Carolina played at Clemson. During the game a key Clemson player was ejected for targetting (driving his helmet oto another player's helmet, aka spearing). Replay after replay showed the call was highly questionable, but it was upheld on review.
For the next 2 or 3 minutes it was glorious to hear 88 thousand people shouting in unison - "Bullshit! Bullshit!." It almost drowned out the commentary.0 -
He shouldn't respond. Why should he? Griffin's not even in the BNP anymore is he? Why dignify it with a response?TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?0 -
Watching people scrambling around trying to breathe oxygen into this non story would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiable.
Is this how low political discourse has fallen in the UK -'don't vote for them, SO AND SO likes them!' The implication presumably being that voters are so stupid that they need to predicate their voting intentions on the likeability or otherwise of utterly unrelated people who may or may not support similar parties for a multitude of other reasons.
In other news: Hitler was a vegetarian, Pol Pot liked noodles, Bin Laden wore a lot of white, Charles Manson was seen driving a car at least twice, and there is ample evidence that Fred and Rosemary West breathed oxygen. Loads of it. AVOID ALL THESE THINGS PEOPLE -or you'll be AS BAD AS THEM.0 -
I was talking about Danny565's position of ignoring our financial realitiesanother_richard said:
Actually local councils are pretty much forced to live within their means.Floater said:
Do you try to live within your means?Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
What they're complaining about is that their income is steadily being shrunk by national government.
But its national government which refuses to live within its means.0 -
22 weeks and 5 days to go and no sign of an increase in the tory vote share, which has been stagnant at the low 30's since March 2012.
Normally according to swingback theory you would begin to see voters swinging to the government 2 months ago, but both the LD and the Tories are not going anywhere. So far there has been a redistribution of votes among the opposition parties, based on the notion of who is the best opposition to the government.0 -
If Nigel Farage or the Kippers had any nous, you'd be aware that the endorsement of Nick Griffin is toxic.KentRising said:
He shouldn't respond. Why should he? Griffin's not even in the BNP anymore is he? Why dignify it with a response?TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
His silence could be characterised that he and they are happy with the endorsement.0 -
If you don't see the politics in this then you are deluding yourself.Luckyguy1983 said:Watching people scrambling around trying to breathe oxygen into this non story would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiable.
Is this how low political discourse has fallen in the UK -'don't vote for them, SO AND SO likes them!' The implication presumably being that voters are so stupid that they need to predicate their voting intentions on the likeability or otherwise of utterly unrelated people who may or may not support similar parties for a multitude of other reasons.
In other news: Hitler was a vegetarian, Pol Pot liked noodles, Bin Laden wore a lot of white, Charles Manson was seen driving a car at least twice, and there is ample evidence that Fred and Rosemary West breathed oxygen. Loads of it. AVOID ALL THESE THINGS PEOPLE -or you'll be AS BAD AS THEM.
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Yeah UKIP might try to make the whites angry.another_richard said:
Because nobody believes anybody anymore.Speedy said:
No speech this year seems to have made an obvious effect.NickPalmer said:
Yes, the super coverage of Cameron's speech didn't have any obvious effect.peter_from_putney said:
You Gov's figures appear rock solid at present and Labour will be pleased with further evidence of their 2% lead or thereabouts.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov
Con 32%, Lab34%, LibDems 7%, UKIP 15%, Greens 6%
With reason.
But all that leaves is dislike of and bitterness towards those who are different to yourself.
And its going to get worse.
Oh .. that was Labour wasn't it?
Still I bet Ed dropped him like a hot potato..........
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Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?0 -
Wishful thinking.KentRising said:
He shouldn't respond. Why should he? Griffin's not even in the BNP anymore is he? Why dignify it with a response?TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
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Perhaps he doesn't follow Nick Griffin on Twitter?TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
Or maybe he's campaigning in Thanet South?
Or maybe he doesn't feel the need to respond to an anti-semitic, racist, past-it gobshite.0 -
You haven't answered my question.TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
I could play Paxman with you, but I won't waste my weekend for you.0 -
It's only 'toxic' if anyone cares. So far, it's received zero coverage, despite the tweet, I understand, being made yesterday?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Nigel Farage or the Kippers had any nous, you'd be aware that the endorsement of Nick Griffin is toxic.KentRising said:
He shouldn't respond. Why should he? Griffin's not even in the BNP anymore is he? Why dignify it with a response?TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
His silence could be characterised that he and they are happy with the endorsement.
If Nige came out with a rejection, it would be all over the news in minutes wouldn't it? 'UKIP leader rejects Griffin endorsement' only serves to conflate UKIP and the BNP together in people's minds.
Why fan the flames?
Your advice is the same that Miliband received regarding Thornberry: go nuclear on an obscure story, thus making it the main story.
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Can I just say the film Paddington is possibly the greatest British film of all time.
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It's not my fault you can't understand.Speedy said:
You haven't answered my question.TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
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Okay, but I can't hold Danny565's ignoring our financial realities too much against him when the political leaders do likewise.Floater said:
I was talking about Danny565's position of ignoring our financial realitiesanother_richard said:
Actually local councils are pretty much forced to live within their means.Floater said:
Do you try to live within your means?Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
What they're complaining about is that their income is steadily being shrunk by national government.
But its national government which refuses to live within its means.
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A female Tory Minister made a spoof Commons speech on animal welfare in order to say an obscene word after a dare at a dinner with Navy officer friends.
Communities Minister Penny Mordaunt said ‘c**k’ six times, ‘lay’ or ‘laid’ five times and mentioned the names of at least six officers during a debate on poultry welfare.
Her speech, recorded in full in Parliament’s Hansard official report and broadcast on television, received a formal reply from a fellow Minister, who believed her interest in the
subject was genuine.
Speaker John Bercow was also duped, making copious notes as Naval Reservist Ms Mordaunt addressed the House.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2854421/Minister-staged-obscene-Commons-debate-BET-Tory-says-c-k-six-times-lewd-stunt-sailor-pals.html0 -
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
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The feeling is mutual.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not my fault you can't understand.Speedy said:
You haven't answered my question.TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
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Agreed. I'd never vote for anyone who ate Pol Pot Noodles.Luckyguy1983 said:
In other news: Hitler was a vegetarian, Pol Pot liked noodles, Bin Laden wore a lot of white, Charles Manson was seen driving a car at least twice, and there is ample evidence that Fred and Rosemary West breathed oxygen. Loads of it. AVOID ALL THESE THINGS PEOPLE -or you'll be AS BAD AS THEM.
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To correct any one who thinks otherwise, it has nothing to do with Nick Griffin or UKIP, but it's about a Tory minister.TheScreamingEagles said:The Mail have put that story on their front page
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Where's 'Ex-BNP' leader backs UKIP'?TheScreamingEagles said:The Mail have put that story on their front page
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3pCW_MIIAAJ6yo.jpg
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Not all racists are White, for starters, and every party has racist supporters, including whichever party you support.JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
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Looks like a cock upTheScreamingEagles said:The Mail have put that story on their front page
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3pCW_MIIAAJ6yo.jpg
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Why do you feel the need to single out white racists? Bit racist no?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
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I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.0 -
The Kippers really are like the Nats.
No matter how bad it is, it is great news for UKIP.
I expect some will spin the Peter Entwistle story as great for UKIP, although the fact none of the Paedo-Groomer-Finder-Generals have linked to that story this week.
I wonder why?0 -
You know earlier on this week, we were discussing the lack of IQ/intelligence among the Royal Family.
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Or giving Nick Griffin the forum to air his views that Buzzfeed and this site have had no issues with giving him.Ninoinoz said:
Perhaps he doesn't follow Nick Griffin on Twitter?TheScreamingEagles said:
Note, Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation.Speedy said:
If Farage does repudiates it, will you say sorry?TheScreamingEagles said:Kippers will talk about 2008 and the BNP endorsing Boris
Note Boris Johnson's immediate repudiation of the BNP endorsement.
"I utterly and unreservedly condemn the BNP and have no desire whatsoever to receive a single second-preference vote from a BNP supporter," he said. "I hope as many Londoners as possible turn out on May 1 to prevent the election of a BNP candidate."
How long, if at all, Farage repudiates the endorsement?
If not why should we accept Boris Johnson's repudiation of the BNP?
Why is Nigel Farage so slow, is he up on a plane or something?
Or maybe he's campaigning in Thanet South?
Or maybe he doesn't feel the need to respond to an anti-semitic, racist, past-it gobshite.0 -
I laugh at all those answering by not answering my question. I know that you all know the answer but are ashamed by it because of your common association with it.
I don't believe that any of you are racist, hence your shame, but you will share a political base with the racists as long as you stick with the party you currently support.0 -
So they are calling Prince Edward, Reckless, a bit unfair to compare him to the pigdog traitor.
Though you could argue his great uncle could have been this country's ultimate pig dog traitor.
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I think that the answer to your question is here.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
http://cf.datawrapper.de/2MJCH/2/
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Tim_B said:
O/T You know how finicky the US neworks are - the wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl some years back for example.
Today South Carolina played at Clemson. During the game a key Clemson player was ejected for targetting (driving his helmet oto another player's helmet, aka spearing). Replay after replay showed the call was highly questionable, but it was upheld on review.
For the next 2 or 3 minutes it was glorious to hear 88 thousand people shouting in unison - "Bullshit! Bullshit!." It almost drowned out the commentary.
That does sound good (though exceedingly off-topic!).Tim_B said:O/T You know how finicky the US neworks are - the wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl some years back for example.
Today South Carolina played at Clemson. During the game a key Clemson player was ejected for targetting (driving his helmet oto another player's helmet, aka spearing). Replay after replay showed the call was highly questionable, but it was upheld on review.
For the next 2 or 3 minutes it was glorious to hear 88 thousand people shouting in unison - "Bullshit! Bullshit!." It almost drowned out the commentary.
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It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
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Going to the real issue of the day, how much did the minister win in her bet?
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It's a stupid question to those not worried about associating with obvious racists.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.0 -
To be fair, It was the Express. So he could have been aiming at his ex-sister-in-law.TheScreamingEagles said:So they are calling Prince Edward, Reckless, a bit unfair to compare him to the pigdog traitor.
Though you could argue his great uncle could have been this country's ultimate pig dog traitor.
Edit: Was Edward VIII his great uncle?0 -
Better than Kes?TheScreamingEagles said:Can I just say the film Paddington is possibly the greatest British film of all time.
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Don't feed the trolls.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
Mike and TSE are trolling PB's right now, better to ignore them.0 -
So are you saying that any Conservative supporter from at least 1964 onwards was sharing a political base with racists ?JonnyJimmy said:I laugh at all those answering by not answering my question. I know that you all know the answer but are ashamed by it because of your common association with it.
I don't believe that any of you are racist, hence your shame, but you will share a political base with the racists as long as you stick with the party you currently support.
Perhaps that's why the Conservative leadership is obsessing about immigration and puts more immigration restrictions on Africans and Asians than it does on Europeans.
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If you can't see the desperation then so are you.MikeSmithson said:
If you don't see the politics in this then you are deluding yourself.Luckyguy1983 said:Watching people scrambling around trying to breathe oxygen into this non story would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiable.
Is this how low political discourse has fallen in the UK -'don't vote for them, SO AND SO likes them!' The implication presumably being that voters are so stupid that they need to predicate their voting intentions on the likeability or otherwise of utterly unrelated people who may or may not support similar parties for a multitude of other reasons.
In other news: Hitler was a vegetarian, Pol Pot liked noodles, Bin Laden wore a lot of white, Charles Manson was seen driving a car at least twice, and there is ample evidence that Fred and Rosemary West breathed oxygen. Loads of it. AVOID ALL THESE THINGS PEOPLE -or you'll be AS BAD AS THEM.0 -
Sorry, Mike. Who is this Nick Griffin? And who are the BNP? According to the analysis team at the Sunil on Sunday there is a party of that name wot got only 1.5% of the aggregate vote across all 19 Great Britain Westminster by-elections since GE 2010.MikeSmithson said:
If you don't see the politics in this then you are deluding yourself.Luckyguy1983 said:Watching people scrambling around trying to breathe oxygen into this non story would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiable.
Is this how low political discourse has fallen in the UK -'don't vote for them, SO AND SO likes them!' The implication presumably being that voters are so stupid that they need to predicate their voting intentions on the likeability or otherwise of utterly unrelated people who may or may not support similar parties for a multitude of other reasons.
In other news: Hitler was a vegetarian, Pol Pot liked noodles, Bin Laden wore a lot of white, Charles Manson was seen driving a car at least twice, and there is ample evidence that Fred and Rosemary West breathed oxygen. Loads of it. AVOID ALL THESE THINGS PEOPLE -or you'll be AS BAD AS THEM.0 -
Keep the faith!
As Churchill said,
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.0 -
You're the kind of person who flings allegations of racism at anyone they disagree with.JonnyJimmy said:
It's a stupid question to those not worried about associating with obvious racists.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.0 -
Based on Shadsy's Blog The Political Bookie, Ladbrokes' recent odds on UKIP's most likely wins suggest they are on course to capture around 5-8 seats next May, give or take a couple:
Rank........ Seat............Win 2010 .........UKIP Win %
1..........Clacton ............Cons ...............82.25%
2..........Thanet South....Cons ...............64.58%
3..........Thurrock ..........Cons ..............57.47%
4 .........Boston & Skeg ..Cons ..............56.06%
5 .........Great Y'mouth ..Cons ..............40.33%
6 ........ Castle Point ......Cons ..............38.47%
7 ........Thanet North ....Cons ...............36.55%
8 ........ Roch & Strood...Cons ..............35.87%
9 ........Great Grimsby ...Lab ................32.94%
10 ......Rotherham ........Lab ................28.51%
11 ......Cannock Ch.......Cons ..............27.91%
12 ......Dover ...............Cons ..............27.77%
13 ......Louth & Horn ....Cons ..............26.29%
14 ......Bas'don & Thur..Cons ..............25.67%
15 ......Folk & Hythe .....Cons...............22.65%
etc., etc.
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Real austerity is a fact of life for frontline emergency services, and even more will kick in around 2016. Leicestershire will lose another hundred or so coppers over the next 18 months, on top of what they've lost already. Fire and Rescue are looking to shed around 70 operational firefighters, and the Ambulance? Well, they're fecked. With increasing frequency, we roll up to an RTC before them. We had to keep an injured driver in a wrecked car for 38 minutes yesterday, waiting for an Ambulance. They had met their target attendance time, mind-the paramedic car got there just before us.peter_from_putney said:
If you think this is austerity, just wait until after next May's GE .... whoever wins!Danny565 said:Now even TORY council leaders say there needs to be an end to austerity .... do PBTories still think it's only loony lefties who are unhappy about it?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/29/regions-letter-end-austerity-more-powers-devolution
Do you really, really think Labour are going to loosen the purse strings?
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But strangely enough, he's also the kind of person who comes out with corkers like this:Sean_F said:
You're the kind of person who flings allegations of racism at anyone they disagree with.JonnyJimmy said:
It's a stupid question to those not worried about associating with obvious racists.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
'@BenM are second generation immigrants, ie those born in the UK whose parents were born abroad, considered to be natives? Or are they immigrants? Or are they a bit of both?'
Awkward.0 -
I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to by mentioning 1964, Mandela's incarceration possibly?another_richard said:
So are you saying that any Conservative supporter from at least 1964 onwards was sharing a political base with racists ?JonnyJimmy said:I laugh at all those answering by not answering my question. I know that you all know the answer but are ashamed by it because of your common association with it.
I don't believe that any of you are racist, hence your shame, but you will share a political base with the racists as long as you stick with the party you currently support.
Perhaps that's why the Conservative leadership is obsessing about immigration and puts more immigration restrictions on Africans and Asians than it does on Europeans.
Whatever it is, I expect that 1964 Tories time-travelled to today would all be Kippers. 2014 Tories obviously aren't.0 -
That's actually an adult, and he's just a lot further away.TheScreamingEagles said:You know earlier on this week, we were discussing the lack of IQ/intelligence among the Royal Family.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3pDSrJIIAAWALh.jpg
I think we need to get the toy cows out:
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Peter Griffiths, Mp for Smethwick 1964 & later Portsmouth N. Conservativeanother_richard said:
So are you saying that any Conservative supporter from at least 1964 onwards was sharing a political base with racists ?JonnyJimmy said:I laugh at all those answering by not answering my question. I know that you all know the answer but are ashamed by it because of your common association with it.
I don't believe that any of you are racist, hence your shame, but you will share a political base with the racists as long as you stick with the party you currently support.
Perhaps that's why the Conservative leadership is obsessing about immigration and puts more immigration restrictions on Africans and Asians than it does on Europeans.0 -
Some of them are still value, like Boston.peter_from_putney said:Based on Shadsy's Blog The Political Bookie, Ladbrokes' recent odds on UKIP's most likely wins suggest they are on course to capture around 5-8 seats next May, give or take a couple:
Rank........ Seat............Win 2010 .........UKIP Win %
1..........Clacton ............Cons ...............82.25%
2..........Thanet South....Cons ...............64.58%
3..........Thurrock ..........Cons ..............57.47%
4 .........Boston & Skeg ..Cons ..............56.06%
5 .........Great Y'mouth ..Cons ..............40.33%
6 ........ Castle Point ......Cons ..............38.47%
7 ........Thanet North ....Cons ...............36.55%
8 ........ Roch & Strood...Cons ..............35.87%
9 ........Great Grimsby ...Lab ................32.94%
10 ......Rotherham ........Lab ................28.51%
11 ......Cannock Ch.......Cons ..............27.91%
12 ......Dover ...............Cons ..............27.77%
13 ......Louth & Horn ....Cons ..............26.29%
14 ......Bas'don & Thur..Cons ..............25.67%
15 ......Folk & Hythe .....Cons...............22.65%
etc., etc.
Others might not be value, like South Thanet, though that could chance now that Farage has started campaigning there.
The key are those seats that UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but are not on that list, yet.0 -
My question then was very specific, with a good reason behind it.Luckyguy1983 said:
But strangely enough, he's also the kind of person who comes out with corkers like this:Sean_F said:
You're the kind of person who flings allegations of racism at anyone they disagree with.JonnyJimmy said:
It's a stupid question to those not worried about associating with obvious racists.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
'@BenM are second generation immigrants, ie those born in the UK whose parents were born abroad, considered to be natives? Or are they immigrants? Or are they a bit of both?'
Awkward.
BenM was incessantly referring to the report that said immigrants were a financial benefit to the uk. I wanted him to disagree with my question. He wisely didn't. You've foolishly brought it up.
The report he quoted counted kids of immigrants as immigrants themselves until their sixteenth birthday.
I never said that they should be considered as natives or immigrants.0 -
Yes.The_Woodpecker said:
Better than Kes?TheScreamingEagles said:Can I just say the film Paddington is possibly the greatest British film of all time.
It is the heart warming story of a Brown coloured illegal immigrant in this country who keeps his head covered and changes the life of an English family.
All ages loved it.0 -
I've specifically said on this thread that I don't believe that anyone here is racist.Sean_F said:
You're the kind of person who flings allegations of racism at anyone they disagree with.JonnyJimmy said:
It's a stupid question to those not worried about associating with obvious racists.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid question.JonnyJimmy said:
I know that you know that I know that you know the answer to my question.Ninoinoz said:
Why don't you ask some?JonnyJimmy said:Since my question on the last thread remained unanswered (even by Ninoinoz, who very cleverly tried to avoid it by asking the same about paedophiles), I'll ask it again.
Which party are white racists most likely to vote for in the election next year?
You not answering it doesn't change that fact.
Try again.0
